Greninja vs. Zero Suit Samus Super Smash Bros. 4 tiers, match-up votes and discussion

I really don't understand why so many people are thinking this is a wildly bad matchup for Greninja. Greninja SS gets out of up+B stuff from ZSS, arguably the biggest thing that makes her top tier, and ZSS is actually a character that has to respect Greninja's mixups on shield from nair/fair since her shield grab is so slow, and Greninja can do stuff easily about shield drop jab. She also doesn't really have anything in particular that can pin down Greninja hit n' run stuff, and his recovery is versatile enough that there's no single particular answer that covers all his options... broadly speaking, as long as Greninja has a life lead and plays smart footsies I don't see how this is anything other then even or better for him.

It honestly just seems to me people rated this poorly because ZSS is a better character overall, but I can't think of a particular thing that ZSS does that cripples Greninja, matchup speaking, whereas I can think of a few Greninja things that give her trouble. I guess this also really depends on stage too- ZSS is going to always do better on Dreamland/Battlefield/Delfino/etc, but even with her jank boost kick, that also opens up silly early kills for Greninja (up air, up smash sweet spot, up throw stuff, etc...), whereas a flat stage, especially with walls like omega gamer or duckhunt, gives greninja tons of room and tricks without really benefiting ZSS at all. Any stage with platforms at up smash height is also effectively a blow to greninja, as it can mess with his up smash kills pretty hard.

Those are my thoughts.

This MU is either slightly on her favor or even, i cant see greninja beating ZsS at all.