'Luigi is top 10 if you can mash, bottom 10 if you can't' - Mr. ConCon on Luigi's viability in Super Smash Bros. for the Wii U

Posted by Justin 'AdaptiveTrigger' Gordon • November 20, 2016 at 10:21 a.m. PST

For my weekly Smash Bros. pro interview, I decided to ask Conor 'Mr. ConCon' Ghobrial about some of his opinions on Luigi.


Mr. ConCon is widley considered to be the best Luigi player of Super Smash Bros. for the Wii U. He is notable for being one of the best mashers of the game in order to fully utilize Luigi's down special and for being the first player in the history of Super Smash Bros. for the Wii U to take a set off of ZeRo's Diddy Kong at a tournament.

In the interview, we go over Luigi's viability on the tier list, his match ups, and how Mr. ConCon was able to master the art of mashing that he often displays.
AdaptiveTrigger: Why do you play Luigi?

Mr. ConCon: Luigi has always been my favorite character in video games.

AdaptiveTrigger: Where would you put Luigi on the tier list?

Mr. ConCon: Luigi is top 10 if you can mash, bottom 10 if you can't

I'd say that one of Luigi's main weaknesses is dependent on your ability to mash. Skilled players can easily predict the path Luigi's player take to recover if they cannot mash. And it can end in death very early.

Being able to mash opens up many opportunities and avenues for recovering as well as gimping characters who would normally pop up out of an attempted down B gimp because it wasn't a fast enough mash.

The difference between the ability and inability of mashing efficiently greatly affects your recovery and kill opportunity.

AdaptiveTrigger: How did you get so good at mashing? Do you have a technique that you do in particular?

Mr. ConCon: This is a very popular question for me. I wasn't good at mashing back when I started playing (Back in Melee), but having played the character for years I simply just built up the ability to mash faster. It wasn't something that I learned in a couple weeks or months.

It was constantly playing the character and mashing the b button for that move for years. Its come down to a technique of vibrating the controller as fast as I can. No one has come close to mashing this fast.

AdaptiveTrigger: What characters do you feel are higher on the tier list than Luigi?

Mr. ConCon: It is very debatable exactly which characters would be higher on the tier list. We always refer to a character as being Top 5, 10, etc. I would say Bayonetta, Mewtwo, and Cloud are definitely better than Luigi due to the frame data and properties of their moves.

I do not see any other characters completely outclassing or having advantage over Luigi otherwise. Any other characters that would be considered top 10 such as Diddy, Fox, Rosalina, Metaknight, Mario and the rest go even or worse with Luigi at the highest level of play.

AdaptiveTrigger: Which character do you feel deserves to occupy the highest spot on the tier list? Why?

Mr. ConCon: If we're simply looking at frame data and options of the characters, Bayonetta without a doubt. She does not have any losing match ups or bad stages.

If we're looking at potential, I think there's atleast 5-8 characters who can be the best in the game. It simply comes down to the top players putting in the time to make their character the best.

AdaptiveTrigger: What are Luigi's strengths?

Mr. ConCon: His strengths are his insane combo game and gimping ability. You must be able to mash fast to fully use Luigi's strengths.

AdaptiveTrigger: What are Luigi's weaknesses?

Mr. ConCon: While he has a great combo game, without a good mash his recovery is so telegraphed when he's offstage that most skilled players can gimp him easily.

A character with so much traction has to rely on powershields to successfully get in.

AdaptiveTrigger: What are Luigi's advantageous match ups that are the most relevant to the tournament scene?

Mr. ConCon: Fox and Diddy. Both characters are easy to combo and gimp.

AdaptiveTrigger: What are Luigi's disadvantageous match ups?

Mr. ConCon: Luigi can struggle against Rosalina and Megaman (or other zoning characters). If you can't mash, you're going to have a bad time.

AdaptiveTrigger: Among Luigi's bad match ups, which character is Luigi's worst match up? Why?

Mr. ConCon: Bayonetta and Mewtwo are by far. They simply outclass Luigi's moves and approaches. Luigi has to commit to an approach while Mewtwo and Bayonetta have safe zoning.

AdaptiveTrigger: You are typically considered to be the best Luigi player. What do you think you do differently that separates you from other Luigi players?

Mr. ConCon: I have many years of practice having played in one of the most stacked regions in the world (SoCal) and have developed a deep understanding for the capabilities of the character. Everything feels second nature to me when I play Luigi.

AdaptiveTrigger: Do you think it is worth it to play Luigi over Mario? What advantages does Luigi bring to the table that Mario does not?

Mr. ConCon: I think both characters have their strengths and weaknesses but I ultimately prefer to play as Luigi. He is able to combo characters in a way that can lead to an instant death off of a good read (Ending in a cyclone gimp for example).

AdaptiveTrigger: Patch 1.1.1 brought about a number of changes for Luigi by removing grab kill confirms at late percentages even though Luigi wasn't the best in the game. How did you perceive these changes?

Mr. ConCon: These changes were needed to balance the game but it encouraged dedicated mains of Luigi to challenge themselves and be more innovated with how they play the character.

AdaptiveTrigger: If Luigi still functioned how he did before the changes from patch 1.1.1, where would Luigi's tier position be today compared to how he is now?

Mr. ConCon: Considering the addition of DLC, it would be hard to say for sure. I would guess at the very least Top 3.

AdaptiveTrigger: What do you feel is your greatest accomplishment in Super Smash Bros. for the Wii U is right now?

Mr. ConCon: My greatest accomplishment is being the first person to take off a set from the best player in the world, Zero.
A big special thanks to Mr. ConCon for taking the time to speak with us. If you want to see more from Mr. ConCon, be sure to follow him on his Twitter account.
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