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Decapre's combos not that great, moves have lots of recovery, hard to use overall - Justin Wong, VRyu Sensei and Air's findings at USF4 location tests

Posted by Cheng Kai 'KarbyP' Sim • May 4, 2014 at 12:39 p.m. PDT

The second last console build of Ultra Street Fighter 4 (according to CCG Air) is on location testing at both Northwest Majors VI in Washington and Stunfest in France this weekend.

Several top players in the community -- EG Justin Wong, VRyu Sensei and CCG Air (on top of PR Balrog) -- have tried Decapre in this latest build, and have taken to Twitter to report their findings and give their two cents on the character.

Love her or hate her, it's undeniable that Decapre has captured the mindshare of most of the fighting games community, simply because she will be a strong competitive factor at EVO this year, due to her not being playable in the current arcade version of Ultra Street Fighter 4.

Hit the jump to read what these top players have to say about Decapre.

Justin Wong: They have Decapre over here at Ultra location test at Stunfest.. Going to try her out and find some s***!!!

Played Decapre today. She is more of a defensive poking character. Standing HP and random over heads are amazing. Combos not that great.

I really like Decapre MK teleport and pressing the LP follow up to fake players out since you can use that, divekick, and seismo for mixup

Bad thing about Decapre is that her u2 is too fast. Sometimes you will miss but it's cool that you can combo into air throw then u1 mixup

Cool combo I found is EX MK teleport into seismo into DP with MP and FADC air throw. Basic combo is cr lk cr lp cr mp Lk teleport into slide.

Random Decapre footage I took http://instagram.com/p/njn35vI5IA/

Also her target combo I was able to link from cr.lp into MP-HK target combo into air throw but range sucks on neutral MP. Good damage.

Most practical combo for damage for Decapre I tried was Cr.mp x2 into DP FADC air throw for 330 I think. Or Cr.mp x2 -cr.mk into slide 280?

Haven't tested properties like throw invuln or fireball invuln but I know her EX teleport on start up you can grab her out of it. :(

Oh what's cool is if you hit with her MK teleport into EX seismo you can jump cancel and do a jump normal instead of AT for mixup.

But... DECAPRE has to commit to EX teleport for the Ex version of the follow up. You can't use regular teleport and then use EX follow up :(

Decapre also can't really chip someone safely in the long run I think but her overhead is pretty much her free damage move.

(P.S. Justin got kicked out of his hotel room in France because the hotel apparently closes on Sunday. That's a terrible situation to be stuck with, especially mid-tournament. Show JWong some love, guys!)

VRyu Sensei: Decapre teleport seem not that good. Lot of recovery. Strike seems negative on block (maybe -1). Teleport punch doesnt seem to crossup anymore.

[Correction:] Yes Decapre teleport punch [can] crossup. Just have to wait for her to be high enough.

Decapre farHK seems to have lot more recovery than cammy. Meaty overhead with poison => crLP is 2hits

Decapre's moves seems to have lot of recovery.

Lp shoryu is strike invulnerable but throwable. Mp and hp is strike vulnerable but unthrowable

Decapre LP multihand is -3 on guard. Ryu can shoryu to punish

Decapre only juggle seem to be air throw and d/f+MK(overhead). Difficult to teleport crossup before u1 hit (so autoguard) except [if you perform Ultra 1 after] shoryu fadc

Can link from crHP>crLK. CrMK doesnt seem to work, but need moar test!

Wanted to test air spiral after target combo....but can only jump forward after target combo. LOL

CCG Air: I also tried decapre, she is sooo hard to use. Will take some footages tmr

(Testing 1/ mk > teleport > stop (advantage on block/hit) using Zangief's spd and 3f dps for Alioune) You can combo into the slide. Cannot combo from grounded opponents. Might be able to ultra though.

EG Justin Wong, VRyu Sensei, CCG Air on Twitter.

Comments

VolcanicAkuma55 said on May 4, 2014 at 12:41 p.m.

Justin Wong and the Wong factor are free to French hotels...MONEY MATCH FOR EVO, METHINKS

#1
PropLeXed said on May 4, 2014 at 12:57 p.m.

Different response than I thought, still looking forward to release.

#2
fuerteva said on May 4, 2014 at 12:58 p.m.

Justin says another character is bad? Looks like we need another Gamerbee...

#3
mogar44 said on May 4, 2014 at 12:58 p.m.

Now we just have to wait for gamerbee to main her and body him again at evo :P

#4
Green016 said on May 4, 2014 at 1:07 p.m.

Whatever Justin says about this game just know that the complete opposite is probably the case. He's obviously a great player but he's almost always wrong when it comes to stuff he says about this game.

#5
caruga said on May 4, 2014 at 1:07 p.m.

"She is more of a defensive poking character."

Just like her master.

#6
Sadisticcupid said on May 4, 2014 at 1:26 p.m.

posted by none????

#7
nocturnal said on May 4, 2014 at 1:28 p.m.

You should really add the changes Vryu said about other chars. Guile U1 doesn't autocorrect any more, life 50 down. Sim 2 hit mk is 1 hit now. Vega's j.mk crosses up. Viper's hp.dp fadc is -5 like the others. etc.

#8
Existent said on May 4, 2014 at 1:29 p.m.

I don't understand. So French hotels just kick everyone out on Sundays?
I call bullsh*t.

#9
RpDrizzy said on May 4, 2014 at 1:31 p.m.

Unsafe on most of her special? Wow don't nerf her too much

#10
Cael said on May 4, 2014 at 1:41 p.m.

For the beginners indeed.

#11
cuzzo said on May 4, 2014 at 1:41 p.m.

JWong isn't the only one saying Decapre is bad.. Although they are saying they need more time, also how does one not get informed before hand that the hotel you're saying at closes on Sundays? Why would you even be closed as a hotel? Any French folks care to enlighten me???

#12
Urdojo said on May 4, 2014 at 1:57 p.m.

I think he chose a small countryside hotel. I once went to a countryside hotel in France, the owners told me to pay the day before I leave because they were leaving on vacation. I had to leave my key in my room when I left.

#13
Yisandra said on May 4, 2014 at 1:57 p.m.

I really don't know what that means. But I only slept in a hotel once, so I can't really tell much about that.

And decapre has -3 moves... Yeah that game really need more of this. Moves half the cast can't punish, but shotos can just dp for free damage. Make it -4 or -2 but not -3.

#14
Wedge said on May 4, 2014 at 2:04 p.m.

Yeah a bunch of stuff posted by vRyu and Air sounds nuts, like this version is TOTALLY different than what is out in the arcades right now. Who knows what the hell is gonna be at EVO.

#15
sarif2soon said on May 4, 2014 at 2:04 p.m.

No host on sundays.
http://i1.ytimg.com/i/hyMys1RC3Ngh9uM...

#16
MANDINGO said on May 4, 2014 at 2:06 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#17
Eye_of_Orochi said on May 4, 2014 at 2:11 p.m.

Decapre hype

#18
PwnageJuIcE said on May 4, 2014 at 2:22 p.m.

I feel like this might be the result of the community overreaction to Decapre. Granted she will need time to be played, but I've yet to see anything from her post FR build that makes me think she's even decent aside from ultra 1.

#19
Igydigital said on May 4, 2014 at 2:29 p.m.

I do remember when he said that Dudley he was going to be a beast from all angles

#20
OomackattackoO said on May 4, 2014 at 2:35 p.m.

he can go room with triforce

#21
Existent said on May 4, 2014 at 2:47 p.m.

Well played.

#22
KarbyP said on May 4, 2014 at 3:23 p.m.

Of course we're planning to. :)

#23
Hotdiddykong said on May 4, 2014 at 3:35 p.m.

Hard to use i can believe but "combos not great" sound like he's trying to hide how OP she is. Even with adjustments that'll balance it out im pretty sure she'll still be high but thats what playing the game is for and how tiers are created. Can hardly wait for the game.

#24
Remondo02 said on May 4, 2014 at 4:55 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#25
fawaz said on May 4, 2014 at 5:13 p.m.

Now she should be discarded. Lol.

#26
General_Awesomo said on May 4, 2014 at 5:54 p.m.

OF COURSE Decapre gets an invincible reversal (well, strike invincible on the LP Upper, but that's the more important type). After they have had so much doubt over giving Vega 4 frames of invincibility on his EX Scarlet Terror, they have no qualms over this.

But I'm not going to complain about this much. If it's true that Vega finally has a crossup (j.MK), I'll be so happy.

#27
Eye_of_Orochi said on May 4, 2014 at 6:27 p.m.

Says the guy using the laziest, epitomal example of a clone in SF as his avatar. I like E. Ryu, but let's not deny the facts. His original incarnation was a joke in terms of uniqueness.

Anyone hating on Decapre for being a "clone" and plays any Shoto other than Ryu needs to check their hypocrisy at the door.

#28
HyperViperNZ said on May 4, 2014 at 6:59 p.m.

Weren't they saying that Decapre was intended for beginners or good for beginners or something? Yet the "pro's" are saying she's hard to use? So what is she?

#29
ArcadeRobot said on May 4, 2014 at 7:28 p.m.

I wanna hear what K-Brad thinks of D since he's thinking about maining her!

#30
TrueGamingGuru said on May 4, 2014 at 8:07 p.m.

Lets just say she is just a charge character (based on the videos I've seen) which inputs can be easier for beginners (despite their flaws & technical parts), but doing anything that is supers or combos can be hard to use.

About this whole thing that one of Capcom's developer saying that "Decapre is meant to introduce beginners" may not always be the thing, (since you could use any other charge characters) and they're trying way too hard appealing too many people FGC, hardcore gamers, Street Fighter fans, casual gamers, & beginners without even thinking on what makes videogames appeal to every audience or they don't focus on what makes their games become solid nor even keep appealing to the people who would play want to play/support this game. (meaning trying to appeal other players that don't have an interest or passion with fighter games in the first place)

Other developers could easily outshine the Street Fighter Team when it comes to appealing multiple gamers or appeal niche, hardcore gamers, FGC groups which they don't try too hard to the point where they backfire or getting beginners/casuals into the games itself.

#31
holybird90 said on May 4, 2014 at 9:04 p.m.

I think she's gonna be played exactly like honda. staying far at the end of the screen and playing with her teleports, and do that again.

#32
MrNova749 said on May 4, 2014 at 9:34 p.m.

They can't hear you. Their logic is beyond reason.

#33
danistheman said on May 4, 2014 at 10:09 p.m.

You see this is why Capcom should've revealed her right off the bat, because then she would have been at every location test. SMH

#34
Yung said on May 4, 2014 at 11:50 p.m.

So she's basically a good Vega.

#35
Nevran said on May 5, 2014 at 12:27 a.m.

I am personnaly quite reluctant about trusting Justin Wong about "Fist judgement", I also remember his tears about Sentinel when MvsC3 was released...

But hey, Decapre doesn't have to be top tiers. She can have some big weakness.

#36
KarbyP said on May 5, 2014 at 1:03 a.m.

That's the vibe I'm getting too.

#37
SunaharaRaja said on May 5, 2014 at 4:51 a.m.

I just can't wait to play Decapre. I just hope she comes out good.

#38
fawaz said on May 5, 2014 at 5:32 a.m.

Says the guy using the ultra laziest example of a clone as his avatar who thinks he can say just about anything he wants preceded by a "Lets not deny the facts..." line.

And it's not necessarily about being unique in the game in terms of looks and/or move-set etc., as most people who refuse to use their brains think. For me it's about SF's storyline. Evil Ryu IS unique in SF's storyline as he is different from Akuma because he is a user of Dark Hado who is actually able to control it and use it for good. Whereas Akuma is an abuser of Dark Hado, a pure evil. I can keep going on and on explaining but I don't like wasting my time here.

The whole argument is not about Decapre being a clone, it's about her clearly looking like as rushed character picked to fill a slot, instead of listening to the fans and adding those characters that were on top of Capcom's polls.

#39
TrueGamingGuru said on May 5, 2014 at 6:32 a.m.

@danistheman

Even if Capcom has announced her before hand (which would've been better than making her a surprise) there still would've been no way that everyone could've play as her, since she still would've been unfinished we would've ended up with just concept art.

@fawaz

"instead of listening to the fans and adding those characters that were on top of Capcom's polls." Its more like fans should've been smart enough on not buying into the overhyped 5th character and would've been better off not hoping that their special or favorite character is in USFIV. Even fans should think first before even asking for a SFIV update with extra characters & extra content that isn't just a balance patch, when we could've gotten more games even fighter games. Its been stated before that fans were going to be disappointed even if wasn't Decapre, so fans would've better off not getting that much hype into USFIV (when there are other games that is worth more hype & not very obnoxious about character reveals) and should've expected less which save themselves from being disappointed.

Adding characters based on polls isn't very natural and is an interference with games story itself. Not saying having fan favorite characters is bad, its better when characters are here from the start (even without fan request) which gives the character more of a purpose on why their in a fighting tournament and they don't feel like an empty shell which came from fans asking for that character which they've would've been more like toys than a developing/developed character.

#40
fawaz said on May 5, 2014 at 8:28 a.m.

@TrueGamingGuru

Either they accept it or not, Capcom IS responsible for the useless hype of the 5th character, not the fans. And yes I do agree that we DID make a mistake of buying into this overhyped 5th character. And just for the safe side, Ono in a way warned us not to look forward to this character. But it was a failed attempt to minimize the potential rage of fan who were so much looking forward to it.

I'm also not in much favor of adding characters based on polls. But I used it just as an example that adding a fan-demanded character would have been much more welcomed by the fans than adding one that nobody wanted in first place.

#41
Lemres said on May 5, 2014 at 9:03 a.m.

Lol I knew she sucked from Day 1. All her special moves look very predictable and easy to counter.

#42
TrueGamingGuru said on May 5, 2014 at 9:16 a.m.

That is reasonable since Capcom have overhyped Decapre to the point where it would've been more proper & better to announce her before hand (even if there was no gameplay), and its a step backwards for character reveals compare to SFXT character reveal. With SFXT you at least get hints or an idea who were going to have as a character which not to long gets revealed, but USFIV they kept hyping the 5th characters for half-year until finally reveal Decapre. One of the concept art should've been the reveal (if the model wasn't finished or playable) or gave out hints on which members of Doll will be entering the worldwide martial arts tournament.

Even when fans got their characters, they're likely A. "Played as the character for awhile than switch to some else to play." or B. "Not play as that character all together, despite that fan is the one who asked for it."

#43
fawaz said on May 5, 2014 at 9:42 a.m.

Right.

Well, whether it's A or B very much depends upon how much time, resources and effort they put into creating that particular character. And even then if players don't use it that frequently or don't use it at all, there is nothing more satisfying than just "having" that character there who is worthy to be in the game.

#44


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