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EventHubs asks: Should Ultra Street Fighter 4's Edition Select become the tournament standard?

Posted by Steven 'Dreamking23' Chavez • March 6, 2014 at 6:31 p.m. PST

During the finals day of SoCal Regionals 2014 this past weekend, Capcom unveiled a new option set to be included in Ultra Street Fighter 4. Deemed, "Edition Select," this feature allows you to choose any character from all versions of Street Fighter 4, returning them to their former glory of the version you choose, (for example: Street Fighter 4 Sagat or Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition Yun).

Capcom has confirmed that this mode will only be available to use in offline play, so even though we won't be seeing Vanilla Sagat in ranked matches, this does leave us wondering what will happen with tournaments.

Tournament organizers potentially have the option of holding strictly Ultra Street Fighter 4 tournaments going forward, using Edition Select as the definitive format, or holding one of each, making for two separate tournaments. While having both types of tournaments at each event would be ideal, and great fun to see, time constraints, entrants, and other factors could eventually get in the way.

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On one side of the coin, we have USF4-only tournaments. Making it so that each tournament operates under this standard would more than likely be the easiest to maintain consistently. This would put all players on equal ground, keeping things like match up knowledge in the confines of Ultra, and not requiring players to remember every trait of every character across all versions.

However, using Edition Select as the main event would definitely make things very interesting. With each subsequent update in the Street Fighter 4 series, players have dreamt of using past versions of their favorite fighters. Not only that, but seeing those incredibly strong versions of characters like Sagat, Yang, and the like, go up against new warriors like Rolento and Elena would be highly entertaining.

Since Ultra Street Fighter 4 won't be hitting consoles until early June, we won't quite know how things will pan out until then.

So in the mean time, we here at EventHubs want to pose the question to our readers, (that means you.) Should Ultra Street Fighter 4's Edition Select be the tournament standard going forward?

Feel free to cast a vote in our poll below, and sound off in the comments explaining why you feel this way.

Should USF4's Edition Select become the tournament standard?

1. No. Tournaments should only use USF4 as the standard to avoid complications.: 997 votes / 70.3%
2. Yes. Using Edition Select as the standard will make events more interesting. : 283 votes / 19.9%
3. I'm fine with either decision. : 139 votes / 9.8%

Total votes: 1,419


Voting has closed

Comments

brandaman69 said on March 6, 2014 at 6:33 p.m.

Nobody wants to Vs Vanilla Sagat or AE Yun come on guys

#1
rongames91 said on March 6, 2014 at 6:33 p.m.

No

#2
DunnDeal said on March 6, 2014 at 6:34 p.m.

Hell No. Every Grand Final would be Vanilla Sagat vs AE Yang.

It would be cool to watch it on stream for Exhibition matches but it should NOT take any part in the actual tournament.

#3
Liamis1337 said on March 6, 2014 at 6:35 p.m.

Helll No!

#4
etrotman said on March 6, 2014 at 6:35 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#5
Igydigital said on March 6, 2014 at 6:35 p.m.

Na that would defeat the purpose of balancing anything.

#6
ScytheWP said on March 6, 2014 at 6:35 p.m.

Absolutely. If you think Vanilla Sagat is going to remain S tier in a game where the weakest character is B+, you're probably not going to do well regardless. Let the madness begin.

#7
Mr_Pyro said on March 6, 2014 at 6:36 p.m.

No. It would make all the work put into USFIV's balance go down the drain. And the likes of Vanilla Sagat would make everything negative, unfair, and not fun.

I believe Edition Select exhibitions can be done, and THAT would provide hype. But when there's money on the line, no one wants to see a fraud get away with cheap tactics.

#8
unseenpotential01 said on March 6, 2014 at 6:37 p.m.

Ban Vanilla sagat, AE yun, Vanilla/SUPER akuma, and a few others then maybe.... Skeptical.

USF4 by itself is fine.

#9
n00b_saib0t said on March 6, 2014 at 6:37 p.m.

I'm okay with it. We could see Vanilla Sagat continue to never win a major but still be claimed to be the most broken thing ever.

#10
unseenpotential01 said on March 6, 2014 at 6:38 p.m.

Agreed

#11
Feistypopo said on March 6, 2014 at 6:38 p.m.

Must be a slow day. What a stupid question. Might as well ask:

Should we disregard the balance changes for USF4?

#12
AKumahMatata said on March 6, 2014 at 6:38 p.m.

Absolutely not, it would make more sense if this version would be Exhibition special "first to" dream matches. NOT for the actual tournament.

-AKHM

#13
PwnageJuIcE said on March 6, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.

Man is it that bad of a news day? It should be obvious that this shouldn't be a standard. Plenty of people have already expressed their feelings on this, not much else to be said about it.

#14
Ozzer said on March 6, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.

Probably not tournament standard, but I hope they at least show edition select exhibition matches on stream.

#15
Ralycer said on March 6, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.

Should be USf4 standard until the hype dries out maybe 1 or 2 years later should be using edition select but with rules and restrictions of course.

But until then Edition select should be Side tourneys or exhibitions.

#16
Igydigital said on March 6, 2014 at 6:40 p.m.

@#12 lmao

#17
ibro911 said on March 6, 2014 at 6:40 p.m.

No. That's ridiculous. People who support it only do because they stand to benefit from the overpowered characters they use/would use.
It would jeopardize all the years of work that have been put into balancing.

Why is there even a poll on this?

#18
GomuJonny said on March 6, 2014 at 6:41 p.m.

Pointless topic with an obvious answer, are you just trying to up your ad revenue?

#19
Drifter said on March 6, 2014 at 6:41 p.m.

Can they reveal Evil Female Fuerte as the 5th character already?!?!?

#20
Dark_summon said on March 6, 2014 at 6:41 p.m.

I would say no because in my opinion it would've made all of the feedback from the players pointless. Using the USF4 format brings a new landscape to the game that I anxiously await.

#21
SamuraiGai said on March 6, 2014 at 6:42 p.m.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! are you crazy ?????

#22
Terraryzing said on March 6, 2014 at 6:42 p.m.

definitely NOT

#23
Kinimaster said on March 6, 2014 at 6:44 p.m.

Definitely Not.

#24
ilovejuay said on March 6, 2014 at 6:44 p.m.

of course not as an standard but it would be interesting, for excibition...or maybe an small side tourney ...

#25
JRXP2011 said on March 6, 2014 at 6:44 p.m.

Not a good idea, let tournaments run Ultra

#26
Pizazzstro said on March 6, 2014 at 6:45 p.m.

Ultra SF4 should obviously be the tournament standard. BUT, side tournaments using edition select would be fun as hell to watch!

#27
MetalxHealthx said on March 6, 2014 at 6:46 p.m.

I vote no, I appreciate the work that goes into the balancing.
The option to choose is nice, but I only see using it for fun or for a tournament that is specifically labeled not USF4

#28
Existent said on March 6, 2014 at 6:48 p.m.

I'm surprised at the number of people who voted yes. SF2 Anniversary does not justify that reasoning.

#29
caruga said on March 6, 2014 at 6:48 p.m.

Too early to be asking this question. We need to see how each mode plays out.

#30
Igydigital said on March 6, 2014 at 6:49 p.m.

A common sense answer for what everyone wants to hear. Ultra Street fighter 4 for tournaments as the last hyped match. All the important people that dedicated time to this game will be there and new challengers to come (daigo , infiltration, xian, pr rog, justin, Ricky , momochi, gamerbee, and hopefully weirdo neo will kill with juri but anyways.... Lol ) the point is, we all want this online but doesn't have to be ranked. And nice side tourny will give SF a nice long life as it already has... Vanilla Sagat vs versus red focus.... Lol now that's something as the Cubans say, "arroz con Mangos" lol

#31
NyuBomber said on March 6, 2014 at 6:49 p.m.

No.

Exhibitions, yes. Standard, heck no.

#32
Marquistador said on March 6, 2014 at 6:51 p.m.

Thaaaat would be ridiculous.

#33
Gotomaster said on March 6, 2014 at 6:53 p.m.

Don't forsake it, as it is an interesting feature, just don't make them tournament standard. Big tournaments that is, don't care for certain weeklies including, might actually spice them up actually. Certainly not for Evo. Team tournaments could be fun with them as well. Like Team Vanilla, those who like the vanilla versions, and Team Super, those who like the super version of their characters.

#34
Sage_Liebert said on March 6, 2014 at 6:54 p.m.

For exhibition matches at tournaments only. When you have pro players at a tournament, match them up in exhibitions. Maybe 3 sets FT5 like...

Daigo (Yun AE)vs Bonchan or Sanford K (Van. Sagat)
Infiltration (Van. Akuma) Vs JWong (Van. Rufus)
Kbrad (Van. Cammy) Vs Poongko (Van. Seth)

#35
GBLOCK said on March 6, 2014 at 6:54 p.m.

NO!!!! That would be stupid. Why would capcom even have that option. They are wasting time. Just build the damn game properly so we dont have to look back at the crappy previous versions. (Salty Guy Player) lol

#36
JCrest87 said on March 6, 2014 at 6:57 p.m.

No, because it would make Elena, Hugo, Poison, and Rolento useless because they only have a USF4 version. Their damage would be much less than vanilla characters so they would always be at a disadvantage.

#37
Feistypopo said on March 6, 2014 at 6:59 p.m.

Looks like we got a unanimous "no". Who would have thought? :-)

Might as well call it a wrap for the night Eventhubs.

#38
samuraix025 said on March 6, 2014 at 7 p.m.

... Someone won a major with vanilla sagat using only Tiger upper cut... Are we just going to forget that happened?

#39
MaysTheCraze said on March 6, 2014 at 7 p.m.

For me, it's not even getting possibly raped by Vanilla Sagat or AE Yun again, but having to learn so many freakin' matchups. I will be called a scrub for such a remark, but I find it sort of ridiculous to have to learn how to fight four or five different versions of the same character.

So, no for me.

#40
AugustAPC said on March 6, 2014 at 7 p.m.

This is a pointless question with an obvious answer. Of course not.

If anything, there should be side-tournaments or exhibitions with edition select.

#41
ArturoA9790 said on March 6, 2014 at 7:01 p.m.

I say yes. Edition Select would double or triple this games lifespan seeing as how there would be so much knowledge to download. Ultra will still have bad matchups regardless, as well as new top tiers. Fighting gamers nowadays are so sensitive when it comes to fighting "top tiers". I can't stand "low tier heroes" who stand by "weak" characters only for the fact to seem rebellious or as non-comformist to the so called "tier whore" bullies. Pick what you like, pick what you're good with, and PLAY TO WIN as well as play to have fun.

#42
skumz88 said on March 6, 2014 at 7:02 p.m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX2l7... Hard to believe this once existed in vanilla. Lol!

#43
M1Punk said on March 6, 2014 at 7:03 p.m.

Experiment with it on weeklies?

#44
Clamper said on March 6, 2014 at 7:03 p.m.

People who thinks this is fine clearly can't see the whole scene. C'mon...

#45
Madenka said on March 6, 2014 at 7:04 p.m.

Who finds playing against almost any Vanilla character and AE Yun interesting at all? Casual feature is for casuals.

Although it would be hype to watch edition select money matches, two tournaments for the same game at an event is redundant nowadays, and if you choose edition select over Ultra as the standard what's the damn point of a balance update in the first place?

Super no.

#46
Ozyroth said on March 6, 2014 at 7:07 p.m.

Oh god no...

But should be side tournaments for this mode, exhibition matches and/or money matches. While the standard tournaments will run only USF4.

#47
Vandylizer said on March 6, 2014 at 7:09 p.m.

Why not try running tournaments for both?
Have an Ultra balanced tournament that will most likely be the main tourney, and then have the Select-Any-Edition side tournament where you can pick anybody. Both would be entertaining to watch.

Some people might discover that the crazy glitches, extra damage, and lopsided matchups make the game more interesting, like what happened with SF2 (the game is fun because it is so broken).

#48
indoimran said on March 6, 2014 at 7:10 p.m.

The whole point of Ultra is to balance the game. Bring edition select into tournaments would just made Ultra pointless, so no it shouldn't be tournament standard to have edition select.

#49
StreetPussy said on March 6, 2014 at 7:10 p.m.

If there was an option to say "Run both USFIV and ES at tournaments" I would choose that one.

#50
mmbbx said on March 6, 2014 at 7:10 p.m.

Eventhubs should change "Is Akuma a weak character?" to "Should Ultra Street Fighter 4's Edition Select become the tournament standard?"

#51
deteknician said on March 6, 2014 at 7:12 p.m.

No no no no.

It's fun for a few exhibition matches or ish and giggles but not for tournament play and ranked.

#52
dorayaki said on March 6, 2014 at 7:13 p.m.

TELL CAPCOM they need to include it ONLINE. Just let it be selectable just like the other versions so that you can filter it if you want. About 80% of players play online now, so for most, this feature will be totally useless unless we enjoy beating the CPU. Terrible idea not to have it online.

#53
KataM said on March 6, 2014 at 7:14 p.m.

Ultra until the hype for this game starts diying. Then, Edition Select could resurrect it.

#54
jme said on March 6, 2014 at 7:15 p.m.

Please mind that even though I'm neutral (mostly on the nay side), that I find it funny that everyone thinks that everyone thinks that the previously top tier characters will just automatically just wipe out the Ultra characters that you haven't even seen up against these characters.

#55
Kalyx_triaD said on March 6, 2014 at 7:16 p.m.

It being "interesting" is simply not a valid enough point versus tournament consistency and organization.

#56
Tentacruelty said on March 6, 2014 at 7:20 p.m.

It would be cool for some majors to run a tournament for Ultra and a more just-for-fun one for Edition Select, but I could never see Edition Select happening at Evo or anything.

#57
SoftShocks said on March 6, 2014 at 7:21 p.m.

No, we have been waiting to play Ultra, so we should have intentions to be using our characters on the Ultra version.

#58
Feistypopo said on March 6, 2014 at 7:23 p.m.

But of course! There would just be so much knowledge to download! I mean with all of those choices of characters, (with a few being leagues above the rest) how wouldn't it double or triple this games lifespan! I mean just look at UMVC3! :=) Teams of three with fifty characters? That's a lot of choices! So much knowledge, so much download.

Pick what I'm good with? Play to win? Ah, of course I'll pick Vanilla Sagat or AE Yun as I'm pretty good with them [and I win.] :=)

While we're at it, why don't we just play Mugen!! More characters = better game right?! I suppose balance doesn't really matter does it? Lets just get silly willy with it. :=)

#59
Neoxon said on March 6, 2014 at 7:25 p.m.

As a side tournament, sure.

As the main course, probably not. Vanilla Sagat & AE Yun would reign supreme.

Likewise, I hope Capcom makes Edition Select an option for Endless Battle that you can filter out if you so choose.

#60
XxUltimacloudxX said on March 6, 2014 at 7:27 p.m.

this edition select should only be playable in online mode with a setting to select it for fun. Like an ability to make an endless lobby with edition select chosen instead of ultra.

With tournaments it would be up to tournament organizers to decide if they have time for a ultra sf4 tournament and a edition select tournament as well. To be honest it would be fun to see pros play this edition select to really see which character was most broken.

Just because vanilla Sagat was high dmg or AE Yun was crazy good doesn't necessarily mean they are the best overall are people forgetting how good Abel was in super ? there are soo many different matchups and version matchups that it would definitely take a couple of years of pros playing in tournaments to make any type of tier listing for such a idea. Also who's to say some ultra sf4 characters don't blow up vanilla Sagat or AE Yun ?

#61
TLGyunlee said on March 6, 2014 at 7:27 p.m.

I seem to remember evo champions not having ae yun or vanilla sagat as mains... remember ae viper and fei long? Vanilla akuma and ryu?

#62
SpiderUppercut said on March 6, 2014 at 7:27 p.m.

Would love to see some dream matches with solid players do First to 20 sets - non character / non edition lock.

Could imagine the back and forth and momentum shifts would be epic.

not sure what to make of ultra at this point when everything is going to be -5 on fadc forward dash.
cant apply pressure with 2 bars of meter.

#63
EXCh33ky said on March 6, 2014 at 7:32 p.m.

No. But it should be allowed for exhibition matches

#64
HyperViperNZ said on March 6, 2014 at 7:34 p.m.

Bit obvious that the majority would vote no.

#65
micksinjer said on March 6, 2014 at 7:36 p.m.

TWO Words Hell No.

#66
bloopbloopbloops said on March 6, 2014 at 7:37 p.m.

for standard tournies, no.

special tournies, i dont care. i might join those.

i play ibuki, so i really dont mind either way. but please, no, unless the ultra version ends up being kinda iffy in terms of balance.

#67
IMainDanHibiki said on March 6, 2014 at 7:37 p.m.

Side tourneys? Sure.

Main events? Hell no.

#68
Chairman said on March 6, 2014 at 7:40 p.m.

I can't believe this is a thing...

#69
Shintakuma said on March 6, 2014 at 7:42 p.m.

@micksinjer

%100 agreed!!!
no, leave well enough alone and close this $#@ thread!

#70
Baby_Astaroth said on March 6, 2014 at 7:42 p.m.

I could see an 8 man invitational with edition select, but hell no for regional's and majors.

#71
bwinches said on March 6, 2014 at 7:45 p.m.

This may sound crazy, stupid even. I believe that the "Ultra" versions of the characters may indeed turn out to be the best versions of every character. Once people master "Red Focus" & "Delayed Wake-up"... Vanilla Sagat, Ryu, and AE Yun may not stand a chance. I have faith in Combofiend and the communities' notes. They dug deep into what characters needed and didn't need. I don't think that all the work of "USF4" is going to be laid waste to by Vanilla Characters. Capcom reworked a lot of the ultras that were thought to be useless. I think a lot of people will be surprised at just how beneficial "Double Ultra" might turn out to be... and just how strong USF4's entire cast of characters will be in general.

P.S. I bet even USF4's version of Dhalsim turns out to be strong.

#72
vladgd said on March 6, 2014 at 7:46 p.m.

It depends. I understand why people want to say no, but what if the usf4 changes don't end up good? I say if usf4 doesn't pan out, give edition select a shot.

So I guess my answer is a "probably"

#73
Ninjanuity said on March 6, 2014 at 7:48 p.m.

Maybe as side tourneys. But no way for main events.

#74
MRN_SirFoxington said on March 6, 2014 at 7:49 p.m.

*Throws a Red Rose* No.

#75
SqueakyBloom said on March 6, 2014 at 7:49 p.m.

Edition should be Side Tournament or Exhibitions. Ultra should be the standard.

#76
yaranaika said on March 6, 2014 at 7:50 p.m.

Where's jason24cf to give his raving opinion on how Edition Select should be the new standard?

#77
bwinches said on March 6, 2014 at 7:52 p.m.

One last thought... Don-Chan will wreak all Vanilla Characters!

#78
BlackOnyxThunder said on March 6, 2014 at 7:53 p.m.

Hell yes! I think it would be cool seeing something new for a change. THIS IS THE NEXT GEN BITCHES!

#79
soliddew95 said on March 6, 2014 at 7:55 p.m.

Can we get Kazunoko (yun vanilla AE) vs Bonchan (vanilla SF4 Sagat) Exhibition please

#80
Wintry said on March 6, 2014 at 7:55 p.m.

I say exhibitions on the side, for sure. But other than that, it depends on what the setup is. I think it could be interesting (Vanilla Sagat v. AE Yun) but other than the novelty of it, I'd rather there be more of a... focus on developing the Ultra meta game.

#81
Abxes said on March 6, 2014 at 7:56 p.m.

I would say yes because it seems interesting. However, I play this game only casually and people who play it seriously seem to think this is a bad idea so Im gonna go with them and say know. They know their stuff, right?

#82
pinoy929 said on March 6, 2014 at 8 p.m.

No, because it will become Top Tier Fighter instead of Ultra Street Fighter 4.

#83
Aluppoj said on March 6, 2014 at 8:01 p.m.

Absolutely not! That'd ruin the type of character diversity we've seen in recent years. And it'd make all of our "Fan Feedback" useless.

I voted for it to be online endless. That's it! A fun dream match side mode, NOT the tournament standard!

#84
Medikor said on March 6, 2014 at 8:02 p.m.

I say only if Capcom doesn't support SFIV anymore and USFIV went a few years as the standard. Once the game starts to get stale, open the floodgates and freshen it up with Edition select.

Just a thought. Would versions of characters prior to their USFIV versions have access to delayed wakeup and W-Ultra? If not than that could actually be a potential weakness for previous iterations.

#85
vanekpi said on March 6, 2014 at 8:02 p.m.

Edition select is unavailable in the arcade version. It is automatically banned for USF4 tournaments. Side tournaments are fine though.

#86
Wintry said on March 6, 2014 at 8:02 p.m.

Yeah, it's not that it's a bad feature, just it's more of a "we've got this too" kind of thing. Cool, but it'll probably fade away like Alpha 3 Dramatic Battles.

#87
Montsegur said on March 6, 2014 at 8:04 p.m.

I honestly think you just have to wait and see how the new mechanics play out. Delayed wake-up and red focus may be too much to handle for older versions. I personally think it would be entertaining to no end.

#88
Anabyss said on March 6, 2014 at 8:05 p.m.

No No No

#89
FakeSypha said on March 6, 2014 at 8:06 p.m.

No. Just no.

#90
Aluppoj said on March 6, 2014 at 8:06 p.m.

Btw, in the modern SF4 setting who knows if Vanilla (or any old Top Tier) will even be as good as they used to be.

They won't have RF, Delayed wake up. Plus all of the characters they used to dominate all have buffed versions of themselves from later versions of the game.

And in many cases their old infinites won't work unless they're playing against a fellow Vanilla character.

#91
Dias4Flac said on March 6, 2014 at 8:07 p.m.

Yes!!

I mean No!

#92
Redblaze27 said on March 6, 2014 at 8:12 p.m.

It shouldn't be the standard, but it should have tourneys.

#93
yunbelievable said on March 6, 2014 at 8:12 p.m.

I can't believe people think that this would ever happen, or that edition select was going to be in ranked... people are just clueless.

#94
Makbaz said on March 6, 2014 at 8:17 p.m.

they dont need to allow edition select right now, whats the point of balance changes in USSF4 then !?
HOWEVER, when game progresses in the future to see which version of all characters is the best maybe they can allow it to be tournament standard
like a dream match

#95
TrueGamingGuru said on March 6, 2014 at 8:17 p.m.

I got a better idea, instead of relying on voters/comment sections for topics like this how about let the Tournament Host make their own decisions, while other people would have to sit in the back with their words meaning absolutely nothing but people themselves have the right to choose which tournament they would want to enter. Its a win for everyone from Tournament Host making their own choices while Players have every right to join in or not.

Why do we even need a topic like this or why do we even need votes like this, when the organizers can make their own decision which is mostly uncontrollable for everyone?

Sometimes fighting games needs modes like that one to increase variety, playability, & life-span which prevents the fighter genre of becoming stagnant, stale, & not as interesting.

#96
Legacy said on March 6, 2014 at 8:18 p.m.

Hell NO.

#97
DJScrubble said on March 6, 2014 at 8:23 p.m.

Because SFII failed so hard when they introduce edition select...what? It didn't? People play HDR? Old Sagat bodies people in that game too? Players should quit crying? Okay. In my opinion. USF4 should be the standard for a year or 2. After that, edition select should become the standard. Because after two years Ultra, we'll know everything that we need to know about the new system. So after that, to keep things fresh and interest, I would suggest edition select. And that's how you keep a game alive. Reminds of Guilty Gear

#98
Remondo02 said on March 6, 2014 at 8:27 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#99
Pachendrix said on March 6, 2014 at 8:28 p.m.

Simple, if edition select were to become the standard at tournaments, then why the f*ck did we needed a balance? Same goes for edition select online (or at least on ranked). It makes no freaking sense!!!! FailFish

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