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PR Balrog says Boxer is much stronger in USF4; gets scarier with every EX bar he gains - feels Akuma now loses to Balrog and Evil Ryu

Posted by Steven 'Dreamking23' Chavez • June 18, 2014 at 2:36 p.m. PDT

Now that Ultra Street Fighter 4 has been in the public's hands for a little over two weeks, top players are beginning to divulge their opinions on characters, match-ups, and tactics via social media. Evil Geniuses' own Eduardo "PR Balrog" Perez took to Twitter yesterday in order to shed some light on what he thinks of his main character in the SF4 series update.

"People [are] asking me if Balrog is good; [the] answer is yes, and he's a lot stronger than he was before because of Red Focus and -1 Dash Punch on hit," Perez explained. He added that Delayed Wake-Up has also improved Boxer because the new mechanic allows him to block oncoming attacks a bit easier.

Continuing on the subject of Balrog's improvements, Eduardo feels that the match-up against the SSF4 AE v2012 top-tier, Akuma, has since shifted to benefit 'Rog. "Balrog vs. Akuma now is probably in Boxer's favor because of Ultra 1 not missing the last hit, Delayed Wake-Up, and Red Focus combo = stun on the next hit."

EG|PR Balrog has been frequenting another character in tournament play lately -- Evil Ryu. When asked if he'd be switching to his alternate fighter when facing consistent tournament rival Infiltration going forward, 'Rog says that he's not quite sure at the moment. Although he describes his losses to Infiltration as more of a loss to himself and the desire to land combos, he does mention that he feels Evil Ryu is also advantageous over Akuma in Ultra Street Fighter 4.

In the event that his two characters are pitted against each other, Perez says that Balrog will always give Evil Ryu problems because of the latter's reliance on jumping and crouching medium kicks. He notes that in USF4, Balrog gets stronger with every stock of EX meter he gains.

"Balrog has to focus more on getting meter now because he gets scarier every single EX bar he gets," Eduardo explained. "Basically how Gen used to be."

Overall, Eduardo considers his main character a much better fighter in Ultra Street Fighter 4.

Source: EG|PR Balrog on Twitter.

Comments

RagerDaPrince_EH said on June 18, 2014 at 2:41 p.m.

Like a big booty Judy PRrog can't stop switching

#1
EnglishKidChin said on June 18, 2014 at 2:42 p.m.

He's the boss.....

#2
Otter_of_Death said on June 18, 2014 at 2:42 p.m.

I thought you said "Juri" instead of "Judy" at first. I was confused and excited at the same time.

#3
babyant2000 said on June 18, 2014 at 2:43 p.m.

wasn't he the same person a few weeks back saying they killed the character and how bad he is.

#4
Papa_dav3 said on June 18, 2014 at 2:43 p.m.

Balrog all day!!! Now show me the usf4 balrog combos!!

#5
sarif2soon said on June 18, 2014 at 2:45 p.m.

Imminent Rog vs. Hakan EVO runback.

#6
Temtt said on June 18, 2014 at 2:46 p.m.

A couple of weeks ago he was crying that Balrog wouldn't be strong enough in Ultra...so what do we learn from that? PR Balrog really likes to whine...a lot.

#7
NoizyChild said on June 18, 2014 at 2:49 p.m.

Pretty much like every other AE player the second they laid eyes on the change log.

2 weeks later, and everyone thinks their character is top tier.

Except for Dee Jay players, of course.

#8
Volsung96 said on June 18, 2014 at 2:49 p.m.

So now Balrog is good again? RiP Evil Ryu

#9
ScytheWP said on June 18, 2014 at 2:49 p.m.

Balrog definitely got stronger. He can't combo off his overhead without 3 meters, can't start a combo low, he gets grabbed out of every EX move except headbutt, his footsies still aren't on par with his super self. Top tier for sure.

#10
Felix said on June 18, 2014 at 2:49 p.m.

I was watching PR play on his stream the other evening and he seems to be doing pretty well with E-Ryu. I would love to see him win a big tournament using Balrog over E-Ryu though,

#11
ShinzoBishamon said on June 18, 2014 at 2:52 p.m.

Go watch NCR from this year

#12
SteadiestShark said on June 18, 2014 at 3:01 p.m.

Because every other character that was good in super is on par with their super selves?

Everything changes by proxy, it's not just 1 character's changes coming into play.

EDIT: Besides, grabbing rog out of ex's is theorycrafting territory, it doesn't happen very ofen. Plus his pokes are still pretty decent regardless of what you say.

#13
CaaableGuuuy said on June 18, 2014 at 3:01 p.m.

Cr mk combos for balrog still right? +7 on hit I thought

#14
HiryuMK said on June 18, 2014 at 3:02 p.m.

I thought Balrog was more or less the same as AE 2012? I think PR Rog even said Balrog didn't have enough changes to compete with the buffed cast?

#15
Macombo_John said on June 18, 2014 at 3:03 p.m.

I think this is just good news.

Its nice to see him confident about a character he likes to play, and people love to see him play.

#16
Ryu_Apprentice said on June 18, 2014 at 3:12 p.m.

"how Gen used to be"
RIP old man

#17
TheAlmightyVox said on June 18, 2014 at 3:13 p.m.

Because you know more than PR Balrog.

#18
Svuag said on June 18, 2014 at 3:16 p.m.

Just Remember, Infiltration is always reading

#19
ishh said on June 18, 2014 at 3:24 p.m.

"top players" they say lol

#20
HmpLghtng said on June 18, 2014 at 3:30 p.m.

That's good, PR Rog isn't allowed to main anyone else.

#21
deteknician said on June 18, 2014 at 3:38 p.m.

thank Jebus they nerfed Gen

#22
Remondo02 said on June 18, 2014 at 3:40 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#23
messias_89 said on June 18, 2014 at 3:43 p.m.

well i still think that akuma beats balrog.ithink people are overstimating the negative effect that dwa has on akuma,it hurts him yes but its only a matter of time until people adjust and find new tec.

i keep saying that akuma is as strong as in super,cause with the buffs that he got,specially dat standin fierce cancel,he is actually stronger offensively.if it wasnt for dwa,this would be akuma's best version.see dreamhack final between infil and gamerbee to see what im talking about.

#24
JimmyLoves said on June 18, 2014 at 3:43 p.m.

Is this the same PR Rog who said rog had no future? On these very forums? Before the game was even released? :)

#25
ScytheWP said on June 18, 2014 at 3:50 p.m.

Yes

#26
ScytheWP said on June 18, 2014 at 3:52 p.m.

Most people got better, Balrog got sizable nerfs with the overhead loss.

Remember when PR Rog lost to the japanese, when they threw him out of every EX move he performed then a day later made his comment about how Balrog wasn't going to be good enough? You probably play too much online to understand the reaction game.

#27
Redking74 said on June 18, 2014 at 3:57 p.m.

There is no overhead loss, he still combos out of his overhead, simply not after the lp one (which is safe).
Did you even try the game before starting to whine?

#28
ScytheWP said on June 18, 2014 at 4 p.m.

Did you try training room before you commented? +0 for light and +2 for medium, which means only red focus connects. H is free to block and EX is free to block and grab bait.

#29
speeeedMEAT said on June 18, 2014 at 4:01 p.m.

braindead character gets buff, makes sense

#30
RandomJohn said on June 18, 2014 at 4:09 p.m.

He may feel that way because of the buffs boxer has gained but players like infiltration and tokido won't feel that way. Players at their level are able to adapt to make akuma the better character.

#31
RandomJohn said on June 18, 2014 at 4:11 p.m.

Yes. That's why he started playing evil ryu (online and tourneys) towards the release of USF4 so he can get used to his combos. Interesting now how he has a change of heart.

#32
messias_89 said on June 18, 2014 at 4:24 p.m.

braindead?either your weed is good or bad. Kappa

#33
Burnt said on June 18, 2014 at 4:33 p.m.

Glad he ended up being happy with his main after all

#34
qqqq said on June 18, 2014 at 4:42 p.m.

I am angryjpg. U know nothing sorry. Just as one example he absolutely can combo off low. While nobody but me can do it thus far, low short 1 frames into low jab.

Rog is behind a bit on saying 3 meter gives 1 touch from stun, that was always tyere. The red focus tho improves DMg against select crouching chars that do not nail bigger fadc fierce dash straight combos(cammy for example). The other added bonus is red focus comboes are easier and more reliable to those who can't hit the jpg/ice age links. Downside of the ease is about a general 10ish percent DMg/stun loss as well as less corner carry.

Overhead buffage, delayed wake up and red focus addition IMO make rog top 10 maybe better

#35
PropLeXed said on June 18, 2014 at 4:44 p.m.

I respect pr balrog but seriously it's not a good look when the character he said was going to be garbage before the game even came out turns out to be pretty decent.

#36
Books said on June 18, 2014 at 4:47 p.m.

This just goes to show how knee jerk and whiney people are when they read a change log. You just can't tell until you play the game yourself.

#37
rikudou said on June 18, 2014 at 4:49 p.m.

And then his E.ryu got destroyed by Infiltration's Akuma in the USF4 E3 event. Took Infiltration two rounds to download the matchup and then he completely dismantled his E.ryu.

#38
MCHAWKING said on June 18, 2014 at 4:50 p.m.

Glad to hear this but I won't be surprised if he is singing a completely different tune the moment he loses at evo.

I remember when he came out with his boxer matchup chart for AE 2012 and actually had him winning a large share of the matches. Then when he got blown up at topanga league, all we heard was how Boxer is the worst character in street fighter.

Hope we don't see a repeat of this.

#39
ltalia90 said on June 18, 2014 at 5:02 p.m.

Well colour me surprised.

The annual cycle of flip-flopping from PR Rog is almost at it's end and after he's eliminated at Evo, the final switch to "Balrog sucks I was at a huge disavantage" will happen.

#40
trog said on June 18, 2014 at 5:02 p.m.

USF4 Pre-sale on Steam is up!

#41
xShonuffx said on June 18, 2014 at 5:17 p.m.

I knew it. All the whining and crying for nothing. Well im happy PR Rog NOW feels good about his character.

Now for god sake WIN EVO FOR US!!!!!!

#42
jonisk said on June 18, 2014 at 5:35 p.m.

1.You can still combo off of ex overhead and fadc into crouch jab off the regular one.
2.He can start combos with c.Mp and c.lk
3.don't do full screen ex rush punches or be so predictable

Hes strong but top tier so far is looking like evil ryu, yun

#43
ScytheWP said on June 18, 2014 at 5:39 p.m.

Damn people are willing to jump on the Balrog is good train fast.

1 - EX overhead is easy to block or throw and paying meter to do something he did for free in past versions is a huge nerf.

2 - C.MP isn't a low attack. C.LK to anything is a 1 frame link, which is why you see no Balrog player do it because they don't want to miss that damage accidentally.

3 - If Balrog glows yellow up close, hit throw and watch him get grabbed. It's not about predictability, it's about a player's reaction to guarantee a punish if he uses meter.

#44
jonisk said on June 18, 2014 at 5:47 p.m.

The only thing i can agree with on this list is that theres no combo after overhead now. It was a pretty slow overhead not like he can just walk up and overhead onto 400 dmg like some of the cast

#45
ScytheWP said on June 18, 2014 at 5:53 p.m.

If you can't see his flaws or refuse to practice the specific matchup you must not be very good.

#46
elgooki said on June 18, 2014 at 6:06 p.m.

And he's gonna say his character is sh**t after the next topanga.

#47
GGBro said on June 18, 2014 at 6:17 p.m.

Akuma still top tier.
Infiltration or Tokido for EVO 2014.

#48
jonisk said on June 18, 2014 at 6:29 p.m.

I dont play rog I only mess around with him from time to time. hes not bad. Hes a slightly flawed high-mid tier character.

#49
gintoki said on June 18, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.

Agree that akuma is really strong and still beats balrog. Akuma had a really solid ground game and with the new buffs it just makes his neutral better. S.mk force stand makes him have better dmg combos. With akuma's demon flip ex hadoken that could probably help avoid the delay wake up stuff. I don't know about this being akuma's best version, but he is still top tier

#50
rosy said on June 18, 2014 at 6:40 p.m.

Lol. I just hope he is not crying about Balrog not viable again when he lost on some tournament. That make his reputation bad

#51
Demon_of_Elru said on June 18, 2014 at 6:45 p.m.

I think a lot of players cry and say their character is unplayable or worthless when nerf bat is swinging so their character gets overlooked and not nerfed. Then when it's safe they let u know the truth. Look what happened when dieminion praised that ultra 1 tracking buffed version of guile? *smack* 950 health, gimme those buffs back.

#52
qqqq said on June 18, 2014 at 6:58 p.m.

I do cr lk into cr lp very consistently. I also ex dash straight fadc into whatever among other things. Only reason other rogs don't is cause they're too lazy to master it including pr rog. He has another level to reach that he hasn't bothered to get to yet

#53
DaveE said on June 18, 2014 at 7:42 p.m.

No way PR was ever divorcing the Boxer.

#54
Burnt said on June 18, 2014 at 7:58 p.m.

YOU ARE AMAZING :0 do you happen to have any youtube replays up?

#55
JATOSS said on June 18, 2014 at 9:37 p.m.

Balrog main here. Rog can still combo off an overhead. HP overhead combo still works as they used to. Only LP & MP have been changed

Balrog really has no need to combo off a low attack. He utilizes fundamentals, footsies and mixups off knockdowns to wear opponents down.

Any decent brog players or players in general will know to adapt. If i'm getting grabbed out of an ex punch i will stop using it, no big deal. Not that i use EX dashes to begin with (super ftw)

Rog is definitely stronger in this version in that his bad matchups are not as bad anymore. He may not be the best, but he is and has always been a tough contender imo

#56
Rising_Jaguar said on June 18, 2014 at 9:41 p.m.

er, wasn't PR rog crying over his changes not too long ago?

#57
ScytheWP said on June 18, 2014 at 9:55 p.m.

I know that his HP and EX still combo, they're just too telegraphed to be of any real use.

What mixup does Balrog have? Block low and grab, then block high to stop the embarrassingly slow overhead. No crossup, so mixup isn't really the right term. No command grab either, unless you count U2 but I don't, so people holding down back who are good at teching aren't getting opened up.

You haven't fought someone who knows the matchup extremely well just because of your phrasing " If i'm getting grabbed out of an ex punch i will stop using it, no big deal", as that's not a move you throw out commonly. When you use any EX move outside of a combo and it gets stuffed for absolutely nothing over and over, even when you use it extremely sparingly, it's disheartening.

Balrog has no mixup, just grabs. He has no vortex. His knockdown game is shoddy at best because you're just gonna hit low or grab, or attempt the overhead which I'll punish and change the momentum of the match. No nation except Japan has figured out the Balrog matchup, which is why PR Rog's views of Balrog's placement on the tiers change radically when he's away from there and when visiting.

#58
aoi said on June 18, 2014 at 10:10 p.m.

hope he didnt wasted too much time on evil ryu, now train hard on your name sake, evo is around corner

#59
JATOSS said on June 18, 2014 at 11:06 p.m.

I see what you're saying for the overheads to be of no use but even if in once a set, you land it, it can make the difference between winning or losing the round.

You're right, i was on my phone earlier and quite rushed. Mixup is not the proper term to use. I believe Okizeme is what i wanted to say earlier.
Balrog's meaty setups on wakeup (cr.jab frame traps, cr.jab hit confirming, sweep OS, close st.rh tech trap, plain throw, etc) are quite good at keeping the opponent guessing. Though they are linear in nature, they are able to get the job done. You could even add in what you said earlier with his overhead. Though slow, it is possible to catch an opponent snoozing, not impossible.

I do agree with your views on Japan and their knowledge of the rog matchup. Against someone who is really experienced in the matchup it is an uphill battle for rog for sure, winnable but still very hard.

Even with the odds stacked against my character, i love my bike money and i love learning from losing

#60
MaysTheCraze said on June 19, 2014 at 12:04 a.m.

He honestly feels the same, save for those overhead "buffs." I mean, I still can't hit anyone with it, so it's still a bad mixup, but at least I can't get punished as hard if I do go for it. Other than that though, he really does feel the same.

#61
Sasuga said on June 19, 2014 at 12:18 a.m.

Dirty bullsh!t.

#62
Smorgasboard said on June 19, 2014 at 1:55 a.m.

Clearly, he couldn't find the win button at first but now he has.

#63
jeffyaguiar said on June 19, 2014 at 4:35 a.m.

True Pr Rog its fun...change your opinion fast,fast?

#64
shambles said on June 19, 2014 at 9:04 a.m.

Not even the top players can anticipate if a character is going to be good or not. People who get carried away by early tier lists should take note and try every option be4 ruling out characters who will get labeled as low tier and never get used again.

#65
Felix said on June 20, 2014 at 10:13 p.m.

Thank you for the heads up dude :)

#66


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