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The matches that sent Daigo and Infiltration packing - John Choi vs. Daigo, Eita vs. Infiltration EVO 2014 Ultra Street Fighter 4 videos

Posted by Cheng Kai 'KarbyP' Sim • July 12, 2014 at 4:04 a.m. PDT

It's been a crazy day of upsets over at Day 1 of EVO 2014 (full results here), what with two former world champions for Street Fighter 4, MCZ|Daigo and Infiltration, getting sent out of the tournament before even the Top 16 play-offs.

And to top it off, the players who sent them packing were specialists for characters that both MCZ|Daigo and Infiltration were known for -- John Choi (Ryu) and Eita (Akuma).

Unfortunately, both matches were played off-stream, so those of us who weren't physically at the EVO tournament grounds were able to watch John Choi and Eita's triumphant moments live as they happened.

But all is not lost; thanks to the valiant efforts of a few FGC members on the scene -- Team Spooky and BornFreeYT -- who captured off-screen footage of the matches in progress, there is video.

Check out the EVO USF4 off-screen videos for MCZ|Daigo (Evil Ryu) vs. John Choi (Ryu), and Infiltration (Akuma) vs. Eita (Akuma) below.

Video from Team Spooky After Hours (by Arturo Sanchez). Our thanks to Zombie Brian for sending it in!

Video from BornFreeYT.

Comments

CyberAthlete said on July 12, 2014 at 4:08 a.m.
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shout out to everyone that was riding Daigo's nuts

#1
Shinebox said on July 12, 2014 at 4:12 a.m.

Day of upsets? Isn't anyone here excited that there are 6 new faces (to Evo) in the top 8? The only repeat players from previous years are Fuudo and Sako

#2
kaeshi said on July 12, 2014 at 4:12 a.m.

Riiiight, this is definitely representative of his skill level....Same with tokido and infiltration etc. Am sure everyone finishing above them in evo are better players.

#3
abirzenith said on July 12, 2014 at 4:15 a.m.

I am happy how things went we get to see a lot of new players shine but damn both Infiltration and Daigo didn't play like their usual selves, Daigo dropped combos and didn react like he usually does while Infil didnt use his signature pressure game and space control

#4
technical_BOOM said on July 12, 2014 at 4:16 a.m.

ricky got 2nd in 2010

#5
Inzzane said on July 12, 2014 at 4:16 a.m.

Daigo and infiltration dropping combos like hell....bad day? To confident? Sad to not having them in top8 but they deserved the losses for playing so badly.

#6
YorKeY said on July 12, 2014 at 4:16 a.m.

I knew Americans were gonna do good this year, shout out to the people riding the Japanese nuts.
But of course Americans (or anyone else for that matter) NEVER play good, it's cause the Japanese are playing bad that day. Sucks that Dieminion and Snake eyes had to face each other. ( 2 Americans) No i don't like America, so f*** Kappa

#7
CyberAthlete said on July 12, 2014 at 4:20 a.m.
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This. shout out to all you people that are gonna make excuses for the Japanese players on why they lost.

#8
casper_ said on July 12, 2014 at 4:20 a.m.

psyched to see a pretty fresh top 8 but always enjoy daigo on the big stage because the kinds of reads/risks he takes make for some exciting moments. he didnt seem quite comfortable this year maybe it was the character switch.

just mainly praying we dont get a fei mirror GF.

#9
KarbyP said on July 12, 2014 at 4:22 a.m.

Figuratively, sir. This year's EVO SF4 is possibly the most exciting yet, holy ****!

#10
casper_ said on July 12, 2014 at 4:23 a.m.

man you guys have like a persecution complex where you think people are completely blinded by peoples japanese-ness and are trying to keep americans down or something.

i dont give a damn about peoples nationality i just like certain players and i think 70% of people have a similar viewpoint.

#11
JuriTheSpider said on July 12, 2014 at 4:28 a.m.

This This and more This. The only people who care about players nationalities are dumb. This is a every man for himself tournament. Supporting your fellow nationality is cool and all but if you were competing you'd be in the mindset that any and everyone is your enemy and you were going to defeat whomever sat down next to you to play.

And secondly its kind of hard to measure anything with a game thats been out for what a month now? Had mixed feelings about this tournament using Ultra just due to the lack of time to really explore the game before EVO. Next years will be a lot less sloppy than a lot of what we've seen from everyone this year

#12
himura said on July 12, 2014 at 4:31 a.m.

yeah, if the player is good and gives spectacle nationality is irrelevant, whoever wins totally deserves it.

Id like Sako or SnakeEyez to win this EVO, but if is not the case ill cheer the winner and eat a pizza afterwards like a pro.

cant wait for sunday :)

#13
diodio26 said on July 12, 2014 at 4:31 a.m.

If Daigo was going to play E.Ryu as a FB spacing character, he should have just kept using Ryu which is better at that.

#14
Jokerme said on July 12, 2014 at 4:33 a.m.

Oh the irony of being eliminated to Ryu after leaving Ryu for how weak he is. Still Daigo is the best.

#15
Shinebox said on July 12, 2014 at 4:35 a.m.

Honestly... I forgot he made top 8 today not in 2010 LOL

#16
ThaBigDaddyCMaster said on July 12, 2014 at 4:45 a.m.

That's because it was all overstated and the game just came out. I'm glad I was vindicated in the end.

#17
kaeshi said on July 12, 2014 at 4:53 a.m.

Well you can clearly see that the top players were playing badly. Were they not dropping their combos left right and center you would have a point. But in this case yes, i would say certain people are doing well due to their opponents playing badly, not due to themselves playing particularly well.

But its not their fault their opponents have dropped the ball so the win is still deserved either way! Like getting a BYE.

#18
Jokerme said on July 12, 2014 at 4:55 a.m.

It's good to know almost all my predictions turned out to be right. I was expecting zero Evil Ryus at Top 8 unless they use multiple characters and that was right. I was expecting Tokido to be eliminated very early and that was mostly right.

My only disappointment is Kazunoko. I thought he'd win the tournament, but after the better turn of events Bonchan made it to the Top 8, from the winners nonetheless. I'm really excited about that, Bonchan is my favorite player in the world. If only Daigo didn't stick to Evil, he'd have been there too. He should have used Yun and Ryu as support characters.

All in all I'm really satisfied with the Top 8. All players in Top 8 are people I like personally.

#19
ButterKnife said on July 12, 2014 at 5:05 a.m.

Daigo sold his soul to the tiers and became Evil.

He lost to a classic player using old Ryu.

Couldn't be more fitting.

#20
Breakingbad said on July 12, 2014 at 5:15 a.m.

John Choi kept the faith. I hope Bonchan wins because he's kept the faith in Sagat. Also I play sagat.

#21
COREY_1993 said on July 12, 2014 at 5:27 a.m.

wow... daigo lost to a guy that doesnt even take the game seriously. but i dont know what worse, the fact that he lost to Ryu which in a way seems like justice for some reason because he released the satsui no hado or its worse because he lost pretty convincingly 4-0

he needs to come to america more to train up. i just cant believe the people that were eliminated that were not on stream but we were getting troll hawks and people ive never heard before... thanks evo organisers

#22
raphaelgunther said on July 12, 2014 at 5:34 a.m.

Daigo lost on cmk. Ryu's cmk is better than E. Ryu's.

Choi dropped more combos than him.

He should have sticked with his trademark Ryu.

Also worth noticing is that the lower life of Evil Ryu played a big role here.

#23
ProfessorLester said on July 12, 2014 at 5:40 a.m.

Daigo plays Yun and gets destroyed, he plays E Ryu and gets destroyed, He should stick to his avatar RYU!

#24
Qualia said on July 12, 2014 at 5:41 a.m.

Woow.z
Daigos evil ryu real terrible..
He should stay on old Ryu..
Choi played better

#25
deus said on July 12, 2014 at 5:41 a.m.

Evil Ryu has low life but to counter that, he has big damage combo output. Which means that he doesn't have to work as much to kill someone.

Ryu on the other hand has to work a lot more than Evil Ryu to get a kill, since his combo damage output is relatively average n compared to Evil Ryu, is low.

Daigo lost because he was outplayed - John Choi had better footsies and had a solid fireball game. They both missed combos and all rounds were kinda close but the better player for these matches was John Choi. Does this mean that Daigo is ass at SF? no. he lost. Daigo isn't a robot, he's a human that loses. And the better shoto player today in this regard was John Choi.

Sure, you and many other fanboys probably have excuses for Daigo's loss but at the end of the day ~ FChamp and John Choi destroyed Daigo. Daigo will learn and only bounces back from losses and will produce a stronger Evil Ryu next tourney :)

#26
PropLeXed said on July 12, 2014 at 5:47 a.m.

Daigo should of just stuck with his Ryu.

#27
King_Kazma said on July 12, 2014 at 5:56 a.m.

I hope that they're remembering the local match recording feature and someone is saving some of the good matches that weren't on stream to be uploaded later. Probably not, but it wouldn't be too hard to pop over and save a match after it's over while waiting for the next players. Maybe TOs could keep the feature in mind from now on...

#28
Weid said on July 12, 2014 at 6:07 a.m.

John Choi is a legend at SF2X and as the footsies gameplan of daigo ryu is better so...

#29
Kobuchi said on July 12, 2014 at 6:12 a.m.

I really think that Daigo should have stuck to Ryu, since he had only been practicing with him for a couple months and it shows in the way he plays Evil ryu, which is very similar to the way he played Ryu before. He was dropping combo opportunities and John Choi guessed right several times Daigo's fireball game and punished him for it, even if it wasn't in the best way possible and dropping combos as well.

I think that Daigo will spend a looot of time training now and will make a better ERyu that is not just a more damaging combo version of his regular Ryu.

#30
elgooki said on July 12, 2014 at 6:16 a.m.

Top 8:

2 US player
4 japanese (with one former EVO champion)
1 taiwanese
1 french

For now the MVP are:

- louffy: He killed soniyono (US great ibuki) -> tokido (JP akuma one of the 5 gods and EVO champion) -> misse (JP 1# makoto in japanese arcades) -> mago (JP fei long) -> eita(JP-akuma) -> fgc pugera (JP-ibuki)

He was sent in looser by xian like in EVO 2013. He is the japanese headhunters. His next match is momotchi

- snake eyes. He killed most of favorites with the most hyped matches (xian VS snake eyes conclusion was just insane). xian, dieminion and tokido

================================================================

THE 5 GODS

Daigo: killed by americans (fchamp, john choi)
nuki: killed by japanese (kazunoko) and an english (ryan hearth)
tokido: killed by an american (snake eyez) and a french (louffy)
sako: sent in loosers by a taiwan player (gackt) and still in competition.
haitani: killed by americans (dieminion and filipinoman)

============================================================

FORMER EVO CHAMP:

infiltration: killed by an american (velociraptor but infiltration took revenge in loosers) and a japanese (eita)

xian killed by an american (snake eyez) and a japanese (itabashi zangief) after (both zangief LOL)

daigo died very early

fuudo still in winners final.

============================================================

fun fact:

Latif lost against MIKE ROSS. XD

It's nearly impossible to know who will be evo champion.

Japanese bandwagonners/haters should just shut up.

#31
Abbadon36 said on July 12, 2014 at 6:21 a.m.

Daigo was so sloppy in that match. Dropped combos everywhere. Oh well, no one is prefect.

#32
beast_gief said on July 12, 2014 at 6:27 a.m.
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How's it "nearly impossible" to know who will be evo champion?

It will be a JP player, same as nearly every EVO.

America or Europe obviously won't be taking home the Gold, haha, funny thought indeed ^^

#33
Kaxner said on July 12, 2014 at 6:39 a.m.

Eita plays one weird Akuma, looks like the CPU sometimes lol, expect the combos. Shoutouts to beating Infil anyway.

#34
Slaystation said on July 12, 2014 at 6:44 a.m.

And don't forget Dakou, who was eliminated by two Americans: Justin and Mike Ross. Even after least_gief promised Dakou's bracket was "free for Dakou."

#35
BizzyBold said on July 12, 2014 at 6:45 a.m.

daigo played like a dick, no inspiration, dropped combos
he doesnt seems to be there. it is sad
but what its even sadder is that those matches are not even on streem.
i know you cant put every matches on streem but comme on its daigo
he is like the rockstar of fgc. and there are so many more matches that should have been on streem.

#36
izakish said on July 12, 2014 at 7:05 a.m.

I think Daigo didn't play bad, it was Choi the play very well. when a player like Daigo starts dropping combos like that its because he is frustrated. he felt the pressure of losing lol, Daigo uses low forward allot to get in, that made him very predictable, I think xsk samurai would beat daigo too.
Seems like Daigo gets punished everytime he abandon Ryu, also he barely goes to tournaments, he's into to this tiers list thing, picking stronger characters, and what I see is a guy who's just thinking on the win and the money, yes go home I wanna see zangief win this thing lol

#37
urza4315 said on July 12, 2014 at 7:08 a.m.

Yeah, no defending those games, Daigo played really badly there. Several instances where a combo would have ended it but he dropped them.
Not once did he use E. Ryu's Hop Kick which at the very least would have been free damage, if not free pressure against Choi. Choi's play wasn't spectacular either, Daigo just let his guard down too many times and with a character like E. Ryu you just don't get to make many mistakes.

#37: Tier lists? He picked Evil Ryu to deal with Ryu's bad matchups e.g. Cammy. Recognizing a character's strengths and weaknesses isn't submitting to tier lists.

#38
4Eyez said on July 12, 2014 at 7:11 a.m.

Daigo simply got outplayed in his own lane by John Choi...imagine that. He really should go back to Ryu if he plans on playing E.Ryu in this strictly footsie manner.

One thing i noticed, Daigo has NO okizeme with E.Ryu, he has this habit where he'll either chug a meaty fireball (Ryu esque) or he'll fake a cross up with a dive kick...THATS IT. You can argue its because of delayed wakeup...but a player of his caliber should have been WAY less predictable. Daigo failed miserably execution wise, as i predicted a while back, the gods will CRACK.

So much is expected from certain players, but theyre only human, they can only make it so far. The competition level is so high, i already knew this EVO would have MAJOR upsets.

#39
SquallSaga said on July 12, 2014 at 7:15 a.m.

I think there's a typo in the second paragraph ;)

God, I really whish they would separate differently the days where USF IV is played. Only the top 8 on sunday is too fast. They should do something like up to top 64/128 on friday, up to top 16 on saturday and have the top 16 on sunday. So you don't enf up having 14 hours straight, , nothing one day and 2 hours top sunday...

#40
Gotomaster said on July 12, 2014 at 7:16 a.m.

Well, he doesn't have to come to America to train up, as Japan is still the best place to get the most matches in. Infil came to Usa quite often, and his performance wasn't much better. They just need to train up is all.

#41
Amrah said on July 12, 2014 at 7:17 a.m.

Daigo drops combos ?!!
Y. Choi too ?!!
Inputlag ?!!

#42
godfist314 said on July 12, 2014 at 7:20 a.m.

I had this mentality that USA always gets beat down by japan/etc. I admit I have (had?) a cynical attitude about this. So when I woke up this morning and checked the news that not only daigo and infil were out but Tokdio and I think Haitani also were out I was shocked. Ironically I was kinda sad to see Daigo go out the way he did, but as I've heard a win is a win and a loss is a loss dont matter how it happens. I will try to be more optimistic about my country USA and not be cynical or lose hope before the tournament has even begun. It's hard but I think it will pay off. :)

#43
schmitty484 said on July 12, 2014 at 7:29 a.m.

dieminion, and ricky are not new faces to top 8

#44
Bajas said on July 12, 2014 at 7:31 a.m.

I've said it in other threads, and I'll say it again. This Evo is a disapointment. It's too early for Ultra, it shouldn't have been played here, people are still experimenting and it makes for boring and sloppy matches. Also, the fact that the streaming team didn't learn from last year, with so many exciting matchups being played off-stream is really annoying and seems unprofessional. FFS, yesterday they were still showing the EVO logo on stream while Daigo and Infiltration were getting knocked to losers. It completely ruins the experience, and for people living in EU, it's just not worth it to sit up until 8am in the morning watching. I will not be watching next year.

#45
messias_89 said on July 12, 2014 at 7:37 a.m.

daigo played miserably against john choi,he was completely outfootsied,his playstyle was sooo predictable,all he could do was throwing fireballs.about infiltration,he played very bad,eita is a very inconsistent player tho,he is capable of the best or the worst,it seems this was his best version.infil seems to srtugle against akuma mirrors,he should use a pocket character.maybe daigo and infil were too confident and werent focused enough?either way,they played bad and deserved to lose.

#46
F4b14n said on July 12, 2014 at 7:40 a.m.

Daigo had the simian flu.

#47
aflashlight said on July 12, 2014 at 7:49 a.m.

Props to Capcom, they made the right changes to allow other nationalities to win. Only this way the fan base will increase, if the same people always win then the fan growth will stay stagnant. It's all business. Check out the time when Starcraft II was introduced to the world, Korean Giants were falling by the hands of Westerners and as a result a following of Starcraft II in America bloomed. More fans means more money for the company. Oh and if your curious about the competitive scene in Starcraft II these years, well all the Western Players gradually became irrelevant and Korean Players dominated the game once again but guess what the fans stayed. This is good for everyone.

#48
elgooki said on July 12, 2014 at 8:01 a.m.

gackt is still in the competition.

louffy won against fuudo and momochi in previous tournaments

Snakeyez proved his value and killed really strong japanese players in the brackets.

ricky ortiz was second place in EVO before.

The ONLY real player above the others is sako.

But like you saw yesterday night EVERYTHING could happen.

Don't try to kill the hype :)

#49
HeatEXTEND said on July 12, 2014 at 8:03 a.m.

The fans didn't stay, SC 2 has been on the decline for quite some time now. BW on the other hand, will be remembered long after Starcraft 5: Build orders and Blobs has been forgotten by it's peers.

Also mountain dew is pretty much poison for your body, juss sayin'

#50
sarif2soon said on July 12, 2014 at 8:03 a.m.

Last two Evos were non-Japanese players...

#51
XDIEX said on July 12, 2014 at 8:37 a.m.

Come on SAKO!!!

#52
BizzyBold said on July 12, 2014 at 8:38 a.m.

infiltration seems to struggle so much against akuma mirror
he lost to akuma player in CEO 2014, to tokido in evo 2013
and this time to eita. All akuma mirror. he should definitly
change character against mirror.

#53
thisguyrighthere said on July 12, 2014 at 8:54 a.m.

Daigo be looking all out-fundamental-ed right there.
Enjoy the flood of Daigo's dick riders defending that 2-0.

#54
TheMasterPlayer said on July 12, 2014 at 8:55 a.m.

First off congrats to John Choi. He outplayed Daigo, plain and simple.

With that being said, there's no doubt in my mind that if Daigo were to have played with Ryu then he would have had a greater chance of beating John Choi's Ryu. Daigo should have switched to Ryu in the second match. He still knows how to play Ryu a thousand times better than he does Evil Ryu. In that match, he was playing Evil Ryu like Ryu (i.e. lots of fireball and footsies). IMO Ryu has a stronger fireball game and better footsies than E.Ryu.

And the less health of E.Ryu also played a significant factor in that match up. Just look at how close the first match ended.

#55
TorTorVega said on July 12, 2014 at 9 a.m.

We're in a unique position with fighting games because our community keeps the games alive. With SC2 Blizzard just didn't do enough to support it and the community didn't stand up. Meanwhile look over at Dota2 and League, super toxic communities filled with amazingly selfish people but Valve and Riot respectively just pour money into keeping those games relevant and they thrive. You need either a corporate money hose or a community that can hold the game up to be successful. SC2 sadly had neither of those things.

#56
DustinFong said on July 12, 2014 at 9:07 a.m.

Daigo didn't even bother trying bog-standard FADC combos that would have won him rounds. Just cr.mk into fireball into nothing when it hit, dropped combos, random overheads, etc. What the hell was wrong with him yesterday?

#57
RoundhouseRob said on July 12, 2014 at 9:12 a.m.

This was fate that Daigo would lose to a Ryu player. The power of nothingness overcame the power of the satsui no hado, and justice prevailed.

#58
Kvothe said on July 12, 2014 at 9:12 a.m.

Daigo's problem is that he hasn't been playing Ultra Competitively at all, he should have been going to every Major like Momochi has. His reason was that he didn't want people to be able to study his footage, which is just silly, having the competitive edge is much more important then people knowing some of your tricks, and it's not like everyone doesn't know what Evil Ryu is capable of, and on top of that he just plays like his Ryu so really there is nothing new to study..

That is why he looked shaky and dropped almost every combo, he was obviously feeling the pressure, and hasn't been in that type of competitive pressure driven environment all year (Topanga doesn't count, was ssf4 and different format).

#59
courtesy_strike said on July 12, 2014 at 9:20 a.m.

The real reason these top players lost is because they removed courtesy hits from the game...everyone knows the top players need to land courtesy hits in order to keep their spirits alive.

#60
Shinkutatsumaki said on July 12, 2014 at 9:34 a.m.

Ugh q_q

#61
Shinkutatsumaki said on July 12, 2014 at 9:35 a.m.

lol

#62
Phoenix00Knight said on July 12, 2014 at 9:36 a.m.

I was thinking the same thing. It's eerily ironic.

Edit: In the infiltration footage it looked like delayed wakeup hurt his rushdown game. Who knew it would be that big of a factor? I love it.

#63
Amerika said on July 12, 2014 at 9:57 a.m.

I love Art in the background being Art haha. Good stuff.

#64
Amerika said on July 12, 2014 at 10:01 a.m.

I noticed that he played Evil Ryu just like regular Ryu and the few things he tried to do that were E.Ryu specific he dropped or seemingly forgot that he had certain tools. Of course his zoning Akuma back in AE 2012 also looked mostly like Ryu using a couple of Akuma's tools too.

He should have just stuck with Hugo :)

#65
Green016 said on July 12, 2014 at 10:49 a.m.

I've never seen Daigo miss that many combos in one match damn. In fact both he and John were missing combos and playing pretty sloppy at different times. Wonder if Daigo's gonna stick with E.Ryu or switch it up.

#66
DP808 said on July 12, 2014 at 10:57 a.m.

Is there a video of velsaraptor beating infiltration going around?

#67
xFNEx said on July 12, 2014 at 11:10 a.m.

Well he's only been playing the character for a couple of months really. You can tell he still isn't comfortable with how basic his playstyle was. I'm sure with more focus and practice Daigo is really going to sync with Evil Ryu and take the character to his limits like he did with Ryu.

#68
BrightNoa said on July 12, 2014 at 11:21 a.m.

The quintessential Daigo dick rider in all it's glory.

Gaze at it's utter magnificence as it gargles those Asian nuts in its proud stomping grounds, the Eventhubs comments section.

#69
Ryo said on July 12, 2014 at 11:23 a.m.

Daigo playing Evil Ryu was a huge mistake for EVO. Playing in any other tournament, online, at the arcade, anything would have been better than taking his E. Ryu to EVO. That's not saying John didn't mess up, but Daigo made a huge tactical error going into the matchup with a character he's not the best with. That said, a Daigo vs. John Choi match with Ryu and Ryu would have been a fun one.

#70
MosesDef said on July 12, 2014 at 11:29 a.m.

Why not link to art'show page instead of I'm bedding the video? Dude worked mad hard to capture that video, it's only right he gets the page views for it.

#71
Kalyx_triaD said on July 12, 2014 at 11:39 a.m.

I gotta agree that there was something off about these guys in the vids. Not making an excuse for them, but that was not their usual self.

Still, I guess Daigo has to go on another tour completely bodying people in FT10s to make a point.

#72
umad said on July 12, 2014 at 12:18 p.m.

yea both players were dropping combos. it looked sloppy.

#73
AveMcree said on July 12, 2014 at 1:10 p.m.

he is at EVO competing... it doesn't get more serious than that butthead!!!

#74
zeuvs3 said on July 12, 2014 at 2:21 p.m.

i agree with you 100%!!!

delayed wakeup is the most unhype thing ever. Xian was outfootsing snake eyes. the problem is: he can never use sweeps or grabs for jump anymore because of DW. Thats why he lost to snake eyes.

i was calling this before it happend:
Rose and Zangief are atm. without any question S tiers. And as i also said before Ultra came out: i will not watch a top 8 with 3 boring characters aint gonna happend; so this year i dont really care about who wins EVO!

This game is all about not taking risks, no more sick combo combacks(DW), just life lead and if you get a sweep or grab; build meter...... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! No more uppercut ULTRA because its to risky and if you got hit on cr.lp or what ever, the damage will scale to a basic combo so why even waste meter to do it.

I will end my frustration with this: "I have never ever seen a program that lack entertainment who will last long".
After watching those 16,5 hours ULTRA yesterday..... i had been hype for EVO for a year now........ now i just feel sadness!

-I have watched every single major in ssf4 since 2011( include all small tourments on east and west coast), this was the last tourment i gonna watch before Capcom remove DW!

#75
Ryan_Krown said on July 12, 2014 at 3:37 p.m.

Succumbing to the Satsui no Hado was Daigo's end. Not everyone survives the transformation.

#76
SteadiestShark said on July 12, 2014 at 5:13 p.m.

For the John Choi match, all you need to do is compare Daigo's reactions and performance to those during his match against Valle only moments earlier.

Absolutely night and day, and outside of Choi's spacing, poking and zoning - he was kinda playing like a newbie to sf4 by dropping pretty much all non-2-in-1 combos and his only attempt at FADCing.

I think Daigo almost forgot he was playing evil ryu because he failed to FADC so many cr mks xx fireballs to get in a huge combo like he did against Valle + others.

Still, I'm glad choi one if only because it will remind daigo that Ryu can still hang.

#77
azarel_7 said on July 12, 2014 at 7:32 p.m.

I agree, the life did play a big role, whenever Daigo got a lead it was rubbed out quickly if Choi connected with anything.

Plus Daigo never punished any of Choi's whiffed cr.mk the way he usually does when playing the Ryu mirror.

You're right, he probably would have won this particular matchup had he stuck with regular Ryu

I think as well though that he was trying to play E.Ryu like Ryu for this matchup. It nearly worked but he didn't utilise E.Ryu's unique moves and combos to truly make E.Ryu shine.

#78
XBOX720P said on July 12, 2014 at 9:03 p.m.

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#79
llSilkCutll said on July 13, 2014 at 3:50 a.m.

Daigo losing to F Champ & Choi is no disgrace. Should have picked Yun against F Champ and mirror Ryu against Choi. Choi is so solid, will wait and do the basics well, really similar to Daigo. Got to say Daigo should have just played regular Ryu all tournament and only counter picked against Sim's. When you have a Ryu like Daigo's why would you play Evil Ryu (IMO Ryu is much better and stronger too).

#80
doomfanatiq said on July 13, 2014 at 5:49 a.m.

refer to the translation on why daigo abandoned ryu
http://www.4gamer.net/games/225/G0225...

he said that dwu affected ryu greatly, think he meant the OS are gone, VERY low firepower, and too many moves designed specially to counter Ryu, that should be the gist of why he changed to Eryu basing on that interview translated... basically he's bitching on behalf of ryu players lol

so to be honest, him switching to Eryu made perfect sense as to how ryu was weaken overall in this version like sagat. the irony is that he lost to a ryu player LOL, so hopefully he polish his eryu more because currently he is dropping too many combos and playing eryu like ryu which is wrong in my opinion...

the game is still new and the japanese are jumping to conclusion about the tiers too early in my opinion

#81
doomfanatiq said on July 13, 2014 at 5:58 a.m.

interview translation link here in 3 pages
http://www.4gamer.net/games/225/G0225...

#82
AKumahMatata said on July 13, 2014 at 6:56 a.m.

man, too many killers

#83
Rupix15 said on July 13, 2014 at 10:25 a.m.

to Karby,

"Unfortunately, both matches were played off-stream, so those of us who weren't physically at the EVO tournament grounds WERE able to watch John Choi and Eita's triumphant moments live as they happened."

I'm sorry if i was wrong but perhaps u meant to type 'WEREN'T' there?
Cuz i find it weird. Again, my bad if i was wrong about this.

#84
llSilkCutll said on July 13, 2014 at 11:52 a.m.

Thanks and I know most of that, but Daigo's Ryu is special, unlike any other. I think if he picked Ryu against John Choi would have won and should definitely counter pick against Yomochi / F Champ top level Sim's (such a difficult match for Ryu). TBH Sim's are difficult match for Evil Ryu too, Evil Ryu go no demon flip and just all around difficult to get in close. His Yun is 1 of the best in the world, would rush down Sim's no problem. Look at Sako - He is in the last 8 cause he is smart and counter picks.

#85
doomfanatiq said on July 13, 2014 at 1:26 p.m.

he may not have the confidence to use mutiple characters in my opinion lol, i think he just barely managed to beat valle 5-3 in a ft5, meaning if he used ryu the results could have gone either way with John choi and valle, and he will just get hated for counter picking with yun vs dhalsim, not good for his book i guess LOL...

but if the japanese are correct in the tier list, this means that this version is very balance, because any other lower tier are able to beat the high-top tiers. so you maybe correct on the possibility of sako thriving in this version since he does counter pick lol... but then again it's hard to say because the other counter picking master infiltration is out of evo LOL

#86
LK said on July 13, 2014 at 2:33 p.m.

Daigo doesn't counterpick because his pride. Winning is not his ultimate goal, but the world only remembers the winners.

It's paradoxical, the Daigo Parry was very famous but Daigo didn't win that 3S tournament. However, nobody remember who won that tournament where Daigo Parry occured. People only remember Daigo Parry and Let's Go Justin~!

#87
dorayaki said on July 13, 2014 at 3:18 p.m.

All you turds are babbling the same thing over one another.

However, I think this is one of the few intelligent posts - Daigo didn't sharpen up COMPETITIVELY before such a huge tourney. It's quite different dominating in the arcade when you can afford to take a risk vs in a elimination scenario where you second guess your risk. Definitely a factor here.

THE BIGGEST ISSUE with his e.Ryu is that with e.Ryu, you have a template to win. Daigo stays within the template and when you're up against a smart player, they see that as well. When Daigo played RYU, he was just imaginative enough to do something funky original stuff like Ume-shoryus to throw the opponent off.
Another words, Daigo uses less brains when fighting with E.Ryu than he did with Ryu. Otherwise, you would've seen hop-kicks, spacing resets, timed jump-ins/dive kick, etc.

Finally, a factor would be that he totally underestimated John Choi. We've all been there - start playing some no-name looking dude and next thing you know, you're on the ropes and you KNOW you're not giving it 100%... but it's too late!

No excuses - Daigo ain't my brother. But run it back and I say it'll easily go 5-2 Daigo.

Infiltration is weak to jpn Akuma players. AND Eita was playing good. Eita playing against Luffy... poor- looking like he's dropping combos on purpose. lol

Run this tournament back again today from the start and you'd have 6 different players in top 8. Just that type of year.

#88
dorayaki said on July 13, 2014 at 3:24 p.m.

For the record, Fuudo looks too solid to lose.

Fuudo will probably go undefeated unless he meets Sako. Bonchan has a great chance but his nerves get the best of him in short sets.

It'd be hype to see Zangief make top 3. But I see two japanese and maybe Gackt in top 3.

BUT WHO KNOWS considering how the tourney has gone up til now!

#89


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