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Combofiend: Ultra Street Fighter 4 balancing isn't finished, cites issues with Yun, Seth & Dee Jay - Edition Select coming online via update

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • July 12, 2014 at 7:44 p.m. PDT

There's an update to Ultra Street Fighter 4 in the works, but it may just address hit box issues and bugs that have been discovered.

During a panel at EVO 2014, Capcom's Peter "Combofiend" Rosas reportedly said balance work isn't finished yet on the game, specifically citing issues with Yun, Seth and Dee Jay.

Despite these statements, it's not confirmed that another balance patch will be available for USF4, once again, outside of fixing bugs and hit box problems.

In positive news though, Edition Select, which lets you select any version of the characters from the SF4 series will be making its way online.

Also, the option to make the training dummy perform a delayed wake up will also be added into the game, via a future update.

During the panel, Capcom showed off how the tier lists look in the U.S. and Japan, which MetalMusicMan took a photo of.


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Capcom said they're looking into online issues, but there's nothing concrete to talk about, yet.

There was no confirmed timeline for the Edition Select, delay standing mechanic in training mode, and hitbox/bug fixes to be made available, but they're expected to come soon.

Sources: Shacknews, MetalMusicMan and the SRK Twitter. Submitted by HiryuMK and Shredded.

Comments

DunnDeal said on July 12, 2014 at 7:45 p.m.

Is it still too late to request dat Championship Mode?

#1
FREE1UP said on July 12, 2014 at 7:45 p.m.

Edition Select Online? Yeaaaaaah BOY!!!

#2
ThaBigDaddyCMaster said on July 12, 2014 at 7:46 p.m.

Online edition select eh? Interesting.

#3
COREY_1993 said on July 12, 2014 at 7:47 p.m.
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i honestly wouldnt mind 6 more characters. i would love an evil ken

#4
SadisticSamurai said on July 12, 2014 at 7:48 p.m.

Ultra SF4 2015 Edition

#5
nightmaresteam said on July 12, 2014 at 7:51 p.m.

Related to this it seems that the upcoming update will add a visual indicator that shows what edition of a character someone is using above the super bar.

#6
SqueakyBloom said on July 12, 2014 at 7:54 p.m.

I'm thinking that any updates (mostly bug fixes and such) will be patched when the full version of the Ultra is released.

I do like how we get an answer regarding these things. I hope the fix the new character's input issues.

#7
strider_hiryu973 said on July 12, 2014 at 7:58 p.m.

WHY THEY put makoto so high! that tier list is hypocrit as well

#8
Portal23 said on July 12, 2014 at 7:59 p.m.

So we were beta tester for this unfinished game. They just wanted to release this game before EVO to generate hype.

#9
HiryuMK said on July 12, 2014 at 7:59 p.m.

Seth is A tier in US...? I don't remember seeing a single person being positive about Seth in USFIV...

#10
FakeVariable said on July 12, 2014 at 8 p.m.

YOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

#11
sarif2soon said on July 12, 2014 at 8:01 p.m.

"Issues" is what they're calling it, eh? Yeah, Seth's got a lot of those.

#12
zakk219 said on July 12, 2014 at 8:01 p.m.

Hopefully online edition select is its own mode and not lumped in with endless. That would be kinda dumb if your opponent could change to an earlier overpowered version of their character part way through you playing with them.

#13
darkblade13 said on July 12, 2014 at 8:03 p.m.

Why the hell would they allow this unfinished crap to be in EVO anyway? This game isn't even finish and yet they still release it anyway. They should have play SSF4:AE2012 instead of USF4.

#14
FakeVariable said on July 12, 2014 at 8:04 p.m.

Seriously though, what version is that tier list supposed to be for?

If it's for console USF4 then capcom seems to have very different opinions than the players in both the US and Japan which is interesting to say the least.

Edit: I am wondering because those look much more like AE2012 lists to me.

#15
Raiden365 said on July 12, 2014 at 8:06 p.m.

Dont forget the ability to un-map buttons in the character select screen ComboFiend, Haunts, Dawgtanian, and Capcom staff.

#16
danistheman said on July 12, 2014 at 8:08 p.m.

I knew this wasn't the last balance patch. Just watch, there will be a Ultra Street Fighter IV 2015 Edition coming soon.

#17
jason24cf said on July 12, 2014 at 8:10 p.m.

I said it months ago. Edition Select will be available for online play when the disc drops as well as a new title update for the disc release.

#18
rosy said on July 12, 2014 at 8:12 p.m.

I just hope they add an edition select search filter on endless lobby. It would be frustrate to enter and quit each lobby to find out they are playing edition select or not.

#19
Green016 said on July 12, 2014 at 8:14 p.m.

How about pretending they care about the pc players and fix the damn netcode! The Steam transfer was a disaster and completely butchered the online so bad it actually made GFWL look good.

#20
Yung said on July 12, 2014 at 8:16 p.m.

"Ultra Street Fighter 4 balancing isn't finished, but let's launch it anyway".

#21
DannyBoyPERU said on July 12, 2014 at 8:16 p.m.

E.Honda needs buffs !!!!

#22
BlankaBeast said on July 12, 2014 at 8:16 p.m.

ES ONLINE FTW

#23
micksinjer said on July 12, 2014 at 8:17 p.m.

Capcom plz give rolento a good wake up. He really needs one and it should be his Ex Patriot circle.Just make like cody's ex Criminal upper on start up.

#24
anthonygamer said on July 12, 2014 at 8:18 p.m.

Edition Select online?? YES!!!!!

#25
Buckmoth said on July 12, 2014 at 8:18 p.m.

I hope Steam users won't have to wait another 2 months (after console players) to play the "real" version... Probably will.

#26
EXCh33ky said on July 12, 2014 at 8:19 p.m.

Thank goodness. Now we just need trials and patch the incomplete stuff in the game aka all the new characters

#27
Knux_Chaotix said on July 12, 2014 at 8:20 p.m.

These tier list tho...
As fun as edition select online goes, I'm ok with it, however I'm not ready to fight vanilla Sagat every other match just because of people wanting to hop on the "good character edition" band wagon.. I'd much prefer the online lag and the constant "waiting for opponent" to be fixed. I'm tired of losing half my matches online due to it.

#28
soggytoast said on July 12, 2014 at 8:21 p.m.

It's impossible to balance a game adequately until you actually unleash it on the community. In house testing will only give a very rough idea of balance. Location tests are limited as well because it doesn't give people the opportunity to find the broken stuff.

Besides, this game HAD to be released before EVO, and at least a couple of months at that to give players time to prepare.

Changing topic - did he mention the Net Code at all? You know, the one that he said would not change and then surprise surprise it did.

#29
put_Garuda_in_SFIV said on July 12, 2014 at 8:22 p.m.

Sagat got his Ultra 1 fixed in the corner, but now it's f*cked up in mid-screen with many characters. Fix that sh*t please.

#30
AugustAPC said on July 12, 2014 at 8:23 p.m.

Color me surprised. Happily. Edition Select online should provide some good fun, and that's what it's really all about.

I'm personally not super impressed by the balance in ultra. I'd like to see more done. There are some nerfs that I found completely unnecessary and some changes that came from a cookie-cutter mindset, which I never support.

#31
spotlesseden said on July 12, 2014 at 8:23 p.m.

no more update other than bug fix. Please just work on SF5.

#32
uguumachine said on July 12, 2014 at 8:25 p.m.

Those tierlists must be from AE2012?
Even if they are from AE2012, those tierlists are so off from what everybody has been saying in the US and japan. And if those are USF4 tiers OOOHHH BOY.

#33
lh said on July 12, 2014 at 8:25 p.m.

you don't need an evil Ken, Ultra Ken=bad-ass Ken

#34
BlankaBeast said on July 12, 2014 at 8:26 p.m.

Give Guile his 50 health back
OR take away SB counter hit nerf, BOTH
nerfs compound on each other and weaken him
too much.

#35
The_Big_Boss said on July 12, 2014 at 8:26 p.m.

Really would like the ranking system to be fixed. Makes me just want to play endless only.

#36
put_Garuda_in_SFIV said on July 12, 2014 at 8:28 p.m.

Oh, and Rose's hitbox is messed up badly too. It's hard to consistenly land air crossups on her because that weird/broken hitbox

#37
AugustAPC said on July 12, 2014 at 8:29 p.m.

Yea, this is a bit of a necessity.

#38
Wintry said on July 12, 2014 at 8:29 p.m.

Was Violent Ken ever a real thing or just something I saw on MUGEN?

#39
sweetmonkeylove said on July 12, 2014 at 8:29 p.m.

This is part of the reason why I haven't been playing.

We all knew this ish was broken and incomplete when we DL'd it.

That tier list? I can do joke tier lists more accurate than that.

GG Capcom.

Trials from Super still?

You better get that update out before the disc release or you will have a SFxT on your hands.

To pile it on, Yoko Ono told us that only about 5 people guessed right on the 5th char.

Damn near everyone guessed it was Decapre, even people put out vids on it and a couple of top players I know who test dropped the hint.

#40
jeffyaguiar said on July 12, 2014 at 8:29 p.m.

Perfect CHAMPIONSHIP MODE LOL...

#41
Toomnyusernae said on July 12, 2014 at 8:31 p.m.

Lol, real Yun, Sagat, Seth and Guile coming back to play. That's the way it should be. It feels justified to lose to op Sagat or at least have a challenge. Bring it!

#42
lh said on July 12, 2014 at 8:32 p.m.

Thanks for your effort Capcom

#43
hewhay said on July 12, 2014 at 8:36 p.m.

Violent Ken you mean...

#44
hewhay said on July 12, 2014 at 8:38 p.m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m2Lo...

#45
himura said on July 12, 2014 at 8:40 p.m.

wow juri is now C tier?

makoto still A tier???

this list is a joke

#46
Yung said on July 12, 2014 at 8:41 p.m.

I would agree with you if they didn't had time to properly test the game (which is also wrong and is not an excuse), but Ultra is being tested since last year, there was plenty of time to play the game and find out what's wrong or not. Even after all this time, this game somehow got more broken and not even the hitboxes are right.

And dude, they did say they would improve the netcode ... but it only got worse. lol

#47
Akter said on July 12, 2014 at 8:44 p.m.

capcom is stupid with balancing characters. and those tier lists from both sides suck ass

#48
dpglshenglong said on July 12, 2014 at 8:48 p.m.

Seth top tier? Interesting, how many seth did you see in usf4 tournament? I didn't

#49
Dj_Spazzemz said on July 12, 2014 at 8:49 p.m.

with Edition select online we will being seeing a huge rise in Yun and Sagat players... The terror of AE Yun, Vanilla Sagat, Vanilla Akuma and so much more!

#50
God_Demon said on July 12, 2014 at 8:49 p.m.

Juri is B- tier. Makoto is A tier imo. B+ tier at the lowest.

#51
GameLink7 said on July 12, 2014 at 8:51 p.m.

No love for El Fuerte?

~GL

#52
nosloandy said on July 12, 2014 at 8:51 p.m.

Japan's tier list looks more spread while America's is more top-heavy. Interesting comparison.

In regard to Himura's comment above me, I think C (or at least a low B) is an appropriate place for Juri on the pyramid. She's only in S or A tier if you don't know what all her faults are. (ie everyone right now) The only time she was truly in S or A tier was in the arcade build.

#53
SnakeX said on July 12, 2014 at 8:52 p.m.

For those of you not paying attention: those are AE2012 tier lists.

#54
FGLover90 said on July 12, 2014 at 8:53 p.m.

no we got a finished game, all game has bugs, all fighting games get patched

#55
AugustAPC said on July 12, 2014 at 8:53 p.m.

Where did they get those lists from, anyway?
America and Japan? That's... pretty f*cking vague.

Aren't they AE 2012 tier lists? They don't have any of the 5 new characters on them... and they seem very similar to the tiers of 2012.

#56
SnakeX said on July 12, 2014 at 8:53 p.m.

[Citation needed]

#57
GiBGUN said on July 12, 2014 at 8:54 p.m.

Feels like an unfinished product - I was putting that down to them ensuring the core game was playable for the upgrade, and that the retail release would have the much desired finishing touches but now I'm a little pessimistic.

#58
goldengol said on July 12, 2014 at 8:54 p.m.

I hope they fix the youtube function. Its useless now

#59
himura said on July 12, 2014 at 8:56 p.m.

i can see Juri clearly as C tier in japan side.

you should play makoto and let me know, beacuse she is my first main and i can tell u that she is C+....

i said it a lot of times, the EX fuki buff does not change the game as u expect, it adds one a couple resets that are easy to adapt to.

she needs her AI tsuru back

#60
MissBimbo said on July 12, 2014 at 8:58 p.m.

Where's Hugo in that tier list? Not even tier F?

#61
Mr_Pyro said on July 12, 2014 at 9:01 p.m.

We must all feel really dumb when we look and realize there are none of the USF4 newcomers on that tier list.

#62
strider_hiryu973 said on July 12, 2014 at 9:02 p.m.

b+ ? that joke c+ maximum. people afraid against makoto for nothing . all top players said makoto is high , all makoto top player switch characters. there is hypocrisism right here. makoto is my main since ssfiv i dont have counter pick or what.

#63
AugustAPC said on July 12, 2014 at 9:02 p.m.

None of the new characters are on the list. I'm pretty sure they're for AE:2012. They make more sense for that game, anyway.

#64
Akter said on July 12, 2014 at 9:04 p.m.

HEY PETER WANNA BALANCE IT OUT. GIVE SETH HIS CRAP BACK, GIVE GEN HIS CRAP BACK, HIS FREAKING SUPER DMG AND HIS FOCUS ATTACK, GOD U RUINED HIM.

#65
gintoki said on July 12, 2014 at 9:05 p.m.

if balancing is still on do not cripple the top tier chars, help the bottom tier chars by giving them better tools

#66
The_Big_Boss said on July 12, 2014 at 9:05 p.m.

Combofiend please make Bison's St.MP hit crouching opponents like it does in SFxT. That is one thing that really irks me and makes the move less useful. I love the move, hate the hitbox.

#67
Untitled_d said on July 12, 2014 at 9:09 p.m.

They must have monkeys working at Capcom.

They take years to produce the slightest of changes. No new characters since the 5 one may think are so, are just ported over from SFxTK and DeKappa is a clone.

They even release it for months and have multiple different releases and builds.

And yet when it comes out there's an excessive amounts of issues. What have they even gotten done?

I don't even know why they're announcing this. Their word shouldn't mean anything at this point.

And why is it so difficult to update the trials? No option for delayed wakeup in original release? How do you overlook all these things?

#68
Eternal said on July 12, 2014 at 9:10 p.m.

In what world does the US and Japan think that Cody is better than Dudley? Every tier list released since USF4 dropped for both has Cody bottom 10 and Dudley mid tier or higher.

Or is this supposed to be from AE2012? In which case, again US almost always ranked Guy higher than Cody.

#69
Kenshiro said on July 12, 2014 at 9:13 p.m.

We knew balance patches were coming...making Edition select available online. Is about the dumbest thing they could do.

#70
Terios said on July 12, 2014 at 9:18 p.m.

I think it's 2012 and is an example of why they find balancing difficult. Differing opinions making them not know what to do would make sense.

#71
Green016 said on July 12, 2014 at 9:19 p.m.

You guys need to give Capcom a break. Other than the bugs, hit box issues, no new character trials, no edition select online, crappy netcode, and a lot of stupid and unnecessary character changes that make no sense the game is perfectly fine and should have been released. Really guys come one.

#72
suicine94 said on July 12, 2014 at 9:20 p.m.

Daigo didn't make top 8, Capcom acknowledge unbalanced game.

#73
Mellowcow said on July 12, 2014 at 9:20 p.m.

I hope so. Some of the bottom tier characters could use a boost to level the playing field if this is supposed to be the final iteration of SFIV.

#74
Books said on July 12, 2014 at 9:21 p.m.

There will be no Yun army. People say that for almost every version and it never happens. There has never been an North American player who was a real threat with Yun. The entire continent cannot play the character at a high level. Ultra Yun is supposed to be the best, yet he hasn't won anything so far. Yun is a deceptively tricky character to win with.

He looks easy, then people pick him up and realize that Fei and Cammy are still best if they want to pick a top tier. It's hilarious that they are gonna nerf Yun when the entire legion of Fei players is performing so well in every tourney.

#75
bagel_bytez said on July 12, 2014 at 9:21 p.m.

Fix the glitch where dhalsim didn't get his 2 hit mk/ is bottom tier :p

#76
Eternal said on July 12, 2014 at 9:30 p.m.

Yeah, but even in AE2012 there are things in there that are almost universally never stated.

How many tier lists from USA had this:

Dhalsim higher than Zangief
Cody higher than Vega/M.Bison/Zangief
Even here on eventhubs Cody and Dhalsim were bottom 10 always. (I think Cody occasionally squeaked into 11th)

Then the Japan ones I also never saw these (not ONCE)
Thawk higher than Zangief
Yang higher than Juri or Ryu
Honda better than Guile

These NEVER happened. I doubt you could find more than 1 tier list that had those occuring.

#77
xShonuffx said on July 12, 2014 at 9:36 p.m.

Is it too late to ask for Akuma and Gouken original rival themes? Pleeeeeeeese?

#78
TheTHCGamer said on July 12, 2014 at 9:40 p.m.

Rushed? Makes me wonder if ultra was the version that should've been played at EVO.

#79
shano said on July 12, 2014 at 9:48 p.m.

Give Sakura back that EX DP fix you guys took out on the Console release please. Our EX DP's should not be getting blocked on hit after the first hit when getting a good read oh and EX Tatsu still goes over a lot of the cast.

Fixed EX DP that got taken out from Arcade to Console release:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8JD...

Current EX DP in AE/USF4:
http://youtu.be/5NqBXL4AaRo?t=16m

#80
BornFreeEH said on July 12, 2014 at 9:49 p.m.

Was there any news during the panel?

I mean, you know, news?

N E W S ?

#81
BornFreeEH said on July 12, 2014 at 9:51 p.m.

Glad I didn't go to the panel.

Ultra needs fixing but the team, I'm sure, is tiny. And it was rushed. DeCapre wasn't even beta tested.

Sources tell me the next Street Fighter game is well underway anyway....that's where all the resources are.

#82
jonisk said on July 12, 2014 at 9:52 p.m.

Can you buff Abel for the love of God

#83
TheFlyingGrayson said on July 12, 2014 at 9:59 p.m.

It says the tier list is for Ultra but not a single new character is on the list and Seth is top tier in both

#84
General_Awesomo said on July 12, 2014 at 10:02 p.m.

Fix everything that Eternal listed. Every character has some USFIV specific hiccups to be fixed.

Also, PLEASE give Akuma and Gouken's original themes back. I don't want to listen to their fake-ass Ryu remixes every time I play them. They have their own themes. This has been requested by others numerous times.

#85
himura said on July 12, 2014 at 10:04 p.m.

and surprise people is not mentioning the hidden nerfs in the frame data of a lot of chars normals.....

#86
IMainDanHibiki said on July 12, 2014 at 10:08 p.m.

I'm more upset that Combofiend said that there were no unlisted changes when, in fact, EVERY CHARACTER IN THE GAME got an unlisted change.

#87
Mike said on July 12, 2014 at 10:10 p.m.

These lists are from AE 2012 at the latest. The new characters aren't on there.

#88
HmpLghtng said on July 12, 2014 at 10:11 p.m.

Online edition select? R.I.P. Endless Lobby

#89
PrideOfTosa said on July 12, 2014 at 10:13 p.m.

In what universe is Makoto, who is supposedly such a high tier character, played by NOBODY in either country. NOBODY PLAYS HER. Even Haitani is planning to abandon her long-term...the traitor. Glad he got kicked out early.

#90
ChainsXII said on July 12, 2014 at 10:15 p.m.

R.I.P. Skill

#91
himura said on July 12, 2014 at 10:17 p.m.

hey dude, chill out...he played makoto and got bodied, he is probably the best mak in the world with misse and Vryu....he is not a traitor.....he sticked to her almost till the end....

U should be sad to loose such an amazing player representing the Tosa girl

#92
The_True_Gouki said on July 12, 2014 at 10:18 p.m.

Stay out of Ranked Matches, Edition Select. STAY OUT OF MALIBU, DEADBEAT!

Keep your ugly f*cking goldbricking ass out of my beach community.

#93
Mr_Pyro said on July 12, 2014 at 10:21 p.m.

https://twitter.com/shoryukendotcom/s...

Won't happen. Rest easy.

#94
deteknician said on July 12, 2014 at 10:22 p.m.

Dee Jay needs adjustments on his hitboxes. cr.lp cr.lp ex.mgu whiffs sometimes, cr.lk cr.lp cr.mp ex.mgu doesn't work :'(
Gen is really weak now, DWU hurt him as much as Akuma and he got a ton of nerfs on top.

#95
capra said on July 12, 2014 at 10:23 p.m.

>early

regardless I do hope makoto get's some revisions if they are adjusting most or all people, maybe give ultra 2 full invincibility only when you aren't using ultra W and revert the tsurugi's from being punishable but have a middle ground and make only medium attacks combo-able off them or something as the damage and stun would be pretty crazy with ex-fukaige if you could safely pressure with it again.

#96
Sethtic said on July 12, 2014 at 10:26 p.m.

Online Edition Select :/ Hopefully you can make Ultra lobby.

#97
NumeroGaijin said on July 12, 2014 at 10:35 p.m.

I want to see the release of those remixed themes we heard in that one trailer where dudley and the other 3rdS characters appeared

#98
VulcanHades said on July 12, 2014 at 10:58 p.m.

Juri doesn't even appear on that american tierlist lol. And Yun not being in S tells me this is an old tierlist from AE 2012.

Glad they're adding Edition Select mode for online. And ESPECIALLY GLAD they will add a delayed wake up setting in practice mode. That was a HUGE oversight.

#99
kizasoza215 said on July 12, 2014 at 11 p.m.

Rematch button n Alex cmon!!!!!

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