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Filipino Champ's 2014 tier lists for Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and Killer Instinct

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • January 13, 2014 at 8:28 p.m. PST
CompLexity's Filipino Champ has released two new tier lists for Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and Killer Instinct on the Xbox One.

In regards to the UMvC3 list, Ramirez stated that, "I ranked them accordingly [to] how good they are as a Point, Support, Anchor and Overall."

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If you want to go further, look up the FGTVLive stream archives on Twitch (subscription required) as a full breakdown of both of these lists was discussed there.

Comments

Gotomaster said on January 13, 2014 at 8:31 p.m.

I really don't think Morrigan should be as high as Champ makes her out to be. I mean, only Chris has manage to make her work. I'd place her somewhere between Trish and Akuma.

#1
KCereal said on January 13, 2014 at 8:38 p.m.

Spinal is top tier folks.

#2
ahhdamalexander said on January 13, 2014 at 8:43 p.m.

because nobody has learned how to properly play her. morrigan is maybe not a top tier character, but she definently not a mid tier character.

#3
TwoDogKnight said on January 13, 2014 at 8:43 p.m.

yeah... i'm guessing the KI tier list is a joke? lol.

I'm thinking double helix might suprise us and release spinal AND fulgore together late this month.

#4
TaurusMAGNUS said on January 13, 2014 at 8:43 p.m.

wait... is spinal available now? did i miss something!?

#5
xBMxSage said on January 13, 2014 at 8:49 p.m.

It always disappoints me to see people put Ryu over Chun-Li.

#6
XxAngelChunLixX said on January 13, 2014 at 8:50 p.m.

I wanna disregard the letters, but I can't help but smile at the sight of seeing Trish near an "S". :D

What I don't get:
Chun-Li under Ryu,
Raccoon,Joe,Storm over Hulk,Shuma,Task Skrull
Jenny tho.... :l

#7
NyuBomber said on January 13, 2014 at 8:51 p.m.

I'm like 99% in agreement with Champ's UMvC3 list.

#8
AugustAPC said on January 13, 2014 at 8:54 p.m.

I wish Marvel would get a rebalance. I don't really play it much... but there are so many characters that just don't see ANY play time that would be a ton of fun to watch.

Ghost Rider, Hsein-Ko, Iron Fist, Phoenix Wright... these characters never got a chance to shine :(... except Justin playing Iron Fist early on.

#9
chosenst said on January 13, 2014 at 8:59 p.m.

The fact JRosa manages to place at tournaments is a testament to how strong Morrigan is cause that dude is ass. Also, Shady and Dieminion, just to name a few have showed that Morrigan is a very strong character even in the hands of people who barely play Marvel, let alone in the hands of the best right now in Chris G.

Just imagine JWong, seriously training a Morrigan/Vergil/Doom team, and actually having the desire to play it. Can you imagine how freaking lame it would be? Shell kicking his ass everywhere like she was Rufus' twin. The hero is strong as hell, it's just people would rather try to beat her then play her boring ass the way Chris does.

#10
ahhdamalexander said on January 13, 2014 at 9:02 p.m.

if jwong picked up morrigan/doom, he would be the best marvel player.

#11
ponyz said on January 13, 2014 at 9:05 p.m.

champ still scared of kusoru lol

#12
xShonuffx said on January 13, 2014 at 9:06 p.m.

But Justin Wong doesn't like to pick Top Tier exclusively unless its a character he likes. As long as they are strong and fun to play he will always be original.

#13
Taizuku said on January 13, 2014 at 9:13 p.m.

Task, 23, and Sent should be higher.

#14
Ninjanuity said on January 13, 2014 at 9:13 p.m.

Everybody is S tier in Killer Instinct? Dang. lol

#15
Mr_Salt said on January 13, 2014 at 9:20 p.m.

Spider-man's place is questionable. I'm not saying he can't do damage. I just don't think he can do whatever a spider can. I've only seen a handful of people make him work.

#16
ButterKnife said on January 13, 2014 at 9:20 p.m.

I always think it's interesting when people list Sentinel as being so low when he's obviously useful enough to be used on tons of high level teams. Mostly for assist, but that's still a big factor.

I also think it's interesting that nobody really knows where to put Spider-man (my main).

#17
DJ_Freeze said on January 13, 2014 at 9:29 p.m.

It all depends on how you play spidey. I main him on my team and it seems that his resets are so strong. It's just that when he gets touched, hes just dead. He got alot of trouble dealing with super keep away and like every other character, vergil.

#18
tidestick said on January 13, 2014 at 9:33 p.m.

As I was watching Champ put this together I was thinking how fast would ehubs put this up. Answer:

#19
TagAnarchy said on January 13, 2014 at 9:34 p.m.

Don't you worry your pretty little heads. Hsien-Ko is real. Just you wait for me to show you. *Note: There is no sarcasm here. I'm 100% serious*

#20
chosenst said on January 13, 2014 at 9:38 p.m.

Yes, #11 & #13 .. that's why I'm saying imagine if he had the "DESIRE" to want to learn that team. We've all seen him play that Spencer/Vergil team and it's simply missing something. Everyone knows what it is, it's the fact he just doesn't care about those characters. He doesn't have fun playing that team and it's evident when watching. My point is, imagine for some reason he had a love affair with Morrigan like he did Logan/Ororo. My guess is it would result in boring dominance just like his 3rd Strike Chun.

#21
Dimensional said on January 13, 2014 at 9:44 p.m.

Im not sure if that KI tier list is a joke or not why is Spinal on there hes not even released yet right?

From what I have seem Sabrewulf is the best closely followed by Sadira and Orchid is the worst the other 3 are somewhere in the middle I cant see how Thunder is as bad as Orchid.

#22
sarif2soon said on January 13, 2014 at 9:56 p.m.

I haven't played KI yet, but I think Sadira deserves to be there on top.

#23
kingmedicine said on January 13, 2014 at 10:05 p.m.

Watch Defend The North top 8 for marvel, and look for Punisher
Hawkeye, Rocket Raccoon, Iron Fist. Sickest thing I've seen in marvel for a while

#24
paralyzing said on January 13, 2014 at 10:10 p.m.

Did Rocket Raccoon do something recently to make him jump all the way up there?

#25
Shinkutatsumaki said on January 13, 2014 at 10:33 p.m.

Lol my thoughts exactly

#26
TrainTrackJack said on January 13, 2014 at 10:34 p.m.

Rider and Wright aren't that poor compared to hsien-ko and Imo Thor should accompany Hsien-KO

#27
Gotomaster said on January 13, 2014 at 10:41 p.m.

Its been three years. No excuse. She is only considered top-tier because Chris takes her to another level play. And what really helps propel her is Doom missiles as well. Without those, she wouldn't wouldn't be half as scary. Trust me.

#28
gamekingcaleb94 said on January 13, 2014 at 10:46 p.m.

Uh, is the Killer Instinct tier list a joke or what? I went like this: Sadira top tier? Check. Spinal top tier? Check. Wait what??

#29
MarthFE said on January 13, 2014 at 10:54 p.m.

i think youre thinking of dr doom... every time i see him win, thats why... and his doom is bum

#30
ahhdamalexander said on January 13, 2014 at 10:55 p.m.

guess you got me there, even though i play morrigan, im just waiting for a counter to be discovered so chris doesnt win almost every damn tournament :p

#31
iMTopTier said on January 13, 2014 at 11:13 p.m.

Iron Man better than those characters? lol FChamp please shut up
and now Wolverine is top tier again lol

#32
Branflakes said on January 13, 2014 at 11:15 p.m.

Morrigan should be on the same level as magneto and spider (my main) aswell has difficulty against jam session, is outdone by spencer in terms of damage, easier to use and captain america has spidey's number. But still... I think x23 and spidey should be a bar higher other that its perfect.

#33
Otter_of_Death said on January 13, 2014 at 11:20 p.m.

Glad to know I'm not the only one getting bodied by Spinal online.

#34
sarif2soon said on January 14, 2014 at midnight

Probably just the Spinal part.

#35
Savage_Alchemist said on January 14, 2014 at 12:04 a.m.

Spinal my long time friend u are top tier
so I guess that means u will be used alot :\

#36
Otter_of_Death said on January 14, 2014 at 12:27 a.m.

Speaking seriously, it's very possible Champ got to test Spinal early. It makes sense that they'd let top players try him out for balancing purposes.

#37
TheTHCGamer said on January 14, 2014 at 12:37 a.m.

Lmao at that KI tier list with the exception of orchid and possibly Thunder. Calling it right now Fulgore is S tier.

#38
qcevolution said on January 14, 2014 at 12:38 a.m.

So why are Chun and Jill considered bad charcters? They are GREAT. Im confused...

#39
Focusflute said on January 14, 2014 at 12:38 a.m.

KI Tiers are pretty compressed. S+ and S tier only. I agree its pretty dang balanced.

#40
TheTHCGamer said on January 14, 2014 at 1:01 a.m.

With the exception if spinal right because he hasn't even been released yet and he might as well added Fulgore.

#41
Eye_of_Orochi said on January 14, 2014 at 1:03 a.m.

Shuma movin' on up? He's finally where he should be, still not that high but definitely not low tier or Bottom 10.

#42
Stef_Science said on January 14, 2014 at 2:17 a.m.

Doesn't it bother you to sound like such a fanboy? Justin was great, but it is not 2003-2009 anymore. I remember when Justin was the best, if you were around back then you have to admit Justin is not as dominant now as he once was. In fact one could argue that Justin is not dominant in any game right now. That fact still does not stop these Justin fanboys talking about "Justin is still the greatest, "If only Justin used this team" or "If only Justin cared more", let the dude live. Justin will always be a legend, but his time is ending, and there will be other great players, you really don't have to cry about it.

#43
courte said on January 14, 2014 at 2:17 a.m.

why? thor has crazy damage output and mobility. reset options with command grabs which is also aerial. unlike hsien ko he has ground and air projectles and movement options with bonuses that destrot opposing projectiles. mayhaps not the best normals in the game, but as many players have displayed with high enough execution, a thor player can turn an errant hit into a dead character. nvm Mighty Punish can DHC into just about whatever you want and you can combo both 'into' and out of Mighty Hurricane.
inb4 mighty speech

#44
courte said on January 14, 2014 at 2:22 a.m.

theyre great but when you see them as an enemy you become thrice as defensive because they fly all over your face. and when they are done they can just hop right back in it. however its when they take a hit that things get sour for the player.
ability to get in + ability to take a hit + how much damage you can do when you get in.

they can both do quite a bit of damage but the construction of such combos requires such honestly and time, and a 1/3 the damage per hit compared to most of the cast... why work so hard?

on block cancel standing heavy into a jump air dash heavy special land forward heavy still airborn jump airdash cancel just to get on the other side...

#45
BlitzN said on January 14, 2014 at 4 a.m.

You do know they've let certain players test the new characters right. You think Fchamp hasn't been asked his opinion on spinal.

#46
Sanox said on January 14, 2014 at 5:19 a.m.

hawkeye/Iron Fist/ Rocket Raccoon team got 8th place at DTN

#47
Scourge739 said on January 14, 2014 at 5:25 a.m.

taskmaster and hawkeye, I knew my mains would be up there. But now he put my best character, Rocket Raccoon higher?
Give this man a medal

#48
disp said on January 14, 2014 at 6:11 a.m.

KI looks like the first balanced fighting game?

#49
RonaldRogan said on January 14, 2014 at 6:14 a.m.

Thor higher than Captain America, Sentinel, or Deadpool? That's really my only problem with this. Very good tier list.

#50
Remondo02 said on January 14, 2014 at 6:31 a.m.

(This user was banned.)

#51
1ButtonDash said on January 14, 2014 at 6:43 a.m.

haha now you probably are being sarcastic BUT if you aren't I will have to agree. One of the few perks of a low roster is that balance is much easier. Honestly I think the game is really balanced. Orchid does seem a tad weaker than other characters thou. I mean her trait is good for those unblockables but that's about it.

The devs are gonna have a much much easier time when putting out balance patches and they are gonna have alot of time to develop the season 2 characters.

I honestly think when we get that next batch of characters with season 2 the game is gonna get more popular, also what's also good about the game is by the time season 2 comes out it will work adjacently with people gettin the next gen systems. Meaning more people will have XBones by then and more people will pick this game up.

I honestly believe that this game (even with all the crap people give it, which btw is mainly capcom fanboys that just wanna always watch marvel or sf4) is def gonna grow rather than die IMO. And I'm not sayin that just cuz I like the game. It's really the truth.

#52
Hyoton said on January 14, 2014 at 7:04 a.m.

You people are honestly starting to sound like a broken record. Saying Morrigan is not top tier because "Only Chris dus gud wid her!" or "Shes only gud wid doom!" is 2012 mentality.

#53
Yung said on January 14, 2014 at 7:07 a.m.

Look at the numerous characters of KI.

#54
ElectricDevo said on January 14, 2014 at 7:30 a.m.

KI tier has to b a joke but then again you all know how these gaming companies unfairly let the pros play all the new stuff months before it comes out

#55
DunnDeal said on January 14, 2014 at 7:30 a.m.

Sadira has no wakeup option except her Shadow backflip and that has little to no invincibility at all.

#56
DunnDeal said on January 14, 2014 at 7:32 a.m.

yep and thats why they STAY "pros" because they already know most of the game by the time it comes out. Quite unfair IMO

#57
Posthuman15 said on January 14, 2014 at 7:49 a.m.

Tester.

#58
Posthuman15 said on January 14, 2014 at 7:51 a.m.

again, he is a game tester bro!

#59
jme said on January 14, 2014 at 7:55 a.m.

But I thought dieminion invented the morrigan bullet storm but chris g just simply added doom to the mix.

#60
8Period95 said on January 14, 2014 at 8:16 a.m.

Poor Orchid. She's purely offensive and when(If) she ever gets in, she's so unsafe. I'm still maining her though. She's just a few tweaks away from being the bees knees.

#61
Tapion817 said on January 14, 2014 at 8:23 a.m.

Such a large tier list.

#62
quicks said on January 14, 2014 at 8:35 a.m.

people talking about morrigan not being top tier?

Chris g isnt even using all her stuff
-insane air mobility with plink dash , lets her make her fireball trap a mixup
-stupid normals

-almost ALWAYS safe

-big damage with real combos

-able to REMOVE METER

-all direct tac infinite with REMOVES METER

-a legit normal infite

-beats most of the cast free once astral vison is up

im sorry but this is a top tier character

#63
mrambitious said on January 14, 2014 at 8:59 a.m.

Yea i saw those matches that was some great mahvel. All top tiers are stale and have for the most part had all combos fully optimized. Time to start branching out or soon enough no one will fear virgil. Fact that a dude was putting in so much work with that team, with hawkeye on point is crazy to me.

#64
edrigo said on January 14, 2014 at 9:56 a.m.

This x a million. It's great watching justin with his team why detract from chris g aswell? Chris came up with this team. deiminion never used morrigan this well either he also thought doctor strange was ass which he isn't. justin won't play with zero either so who gives a sh:t? That can only be a good thing. If flocker dominated marvel would idiots be saying herp derp if only justin played zero. Why would you say stuff like that?

#65
TheTHCGamer said on January 14, 2014 at 10:50 a.m.

To be honest it's not as simple as having early access to the game. Pros are dedicated at getting better at the game and being the best. They also play a lot of players around there level on a regular basis so that also makes them better players. Lastly even with early access they still don't know most of the game by the time it's released and not all pros get early access.

#66
TheTHCGamer said on January 14, 2014 at 11:01 a.m.

I agree she's got great air setups and mixups which no other character has. Once you play a top level Sadira player online you'll find this out real quick because you'll be thinking to yourself damn it where is she going to land. She currently deserves to be around the top in my opinion.

#67
Branflakes said on January 14, 2014 at 1:14 p.m.

@66 even with a big combo her damage hits 600 k.

#68
SirKortland said on January 14, 2014 at 1:45 p.m.

I dont know about Thunder being there; he's tough to beat when you use Jago.

#69
cnorw00d said on January 14, 2014 at 1:57 p.m.

remember when everyone here was crying for wesker to be nerfed

#70
YanDaMan said on January 14, 2014 at 2:09 p.m.

lol @ that KI tier list.

Yeah....a 6-7 character game where everyone plays the same after you land the initial hit, not much room to be unbalanced.

#71
FlynnChop said on January 14, 2014 at 2:15 p.m.

You'd have to have played the game for a while to understand why this statement is wrong.

Still, it is interesting that he chose to put them all so close together in the S category. I mean, it's all relative, right? Just because a character is C tier doesn't mean he's terrible if the roster is only 6 or 7 characters.

#72
IareBeStayDrunk said on January 14, 2014 at 3:41 p.m.

I always place higher than FCHAMP in tournaments so My opinion of whose best matters. Ive done extensive "labbing" to test counters against each character and understand how bad these characters are compared to the best or compared to my teams mags/doom/phoenix/dorm.

I think many forget that this guy is a top player for a reason. Many people that are top players in every game understands what is cheap enough to win and what is not. Every game from Heroclix to Football back to marvel.

Some of these picks look really biased in comments. move this character up and that character down. I have a few people I feel he misplaced by a few character slots but thats knit picking.

reading through some of the comments i seen extra dumb stuff. QQ why chun li no higher than ryu? like, really. one spot. gtfo

#73
Phraudulence said on January 14, 2014 at 3:43 p.m.

Agreed Flynn chip but still wrong top three is saberwulf sadria and orchid her ich ni San is a three way mix up a air throw and a counter to projectiles and she does a Ton of damage

#74
PoweredByProtein said on January 14, 2014 at 3:53 p.m.

I agree with the KI list having Saberwulf and Sadira on top and orchid as the weakest, but I can't agree with anything else.

If it's going by match-ups it should be
1. Saberwulf
2. Sadira
3. Jago
4. Thunder
5. Glacius
6. Orchid
Still confused as to why spinal is on the list though...

#75
ScarletTerror said on January 14, 2014 at 6:43 p.m.

I agree. I've been playing Morrigan since vanilla, and your comment pretty much sums her up.

#76
GameLink7 said on January 14, 2014 at 7:24 p.m.

I love how my main team on UMvC3 are right next to each other (Frank/Chris/Skrull). I'm surprised to see characters like Skrull and Taskmaster under Rocket Raccoon and Firebrand (also Cap and Deadpool looking a little too low).

Also Phoenix Wright and Hsien-Ko I think are not as bad as everyone thinks they are to be. PW is dangerous in his random-chance Turnabout Mode, but just at least 1 or 2 evidence in Courtroom he can do some nice combos and put pressure. Hsien-ko can not only reflect projectiles, but one of the few characters that can work against some meta tactics (Rimoukon, if you can take a hit, foot dives/morrigan spam/missiles to be nulled or at least quieted for a short duration). Ironically too: Phoenix Wright and Hsien-Ko work really well together. They can DHC into each others combos beautifully, assist each other well... It's a pretty fun team to play as, and even better to win with~

~GL

#77
iMTopTier said on January 15, 2014 at 5:36 a.m.

you can't take FChamp serious really

he should stay doing DBZ tournaments CPU vs CPU

#78
F_Eventscrubs_nerds said on January 15, 2014 at 8:52 a.m.

(This user was banned.)

#79
MarthFE said on January 15, 2014 at 11:08 a.m.

If you actually played the game you would know morrigan sucks without missiles. There's a reason people get slapped once they finally hit morrigan, there's a reason they throw out supers just for doom assist... And then morrigan is a walk in the park, it's just... X3 vergil exists. So any deserved win is kinda shot down.
Most morrigans actually do suck though, and I can't say spamfist is particularity skillful or hard to do, it's just some people actually put thought into it (such as the current Chris g (you will rarely see me praise him, but I can here because it is true)) and others just do it as a pattern because they think its unstoppable and thats what a good morrigan is (everyone else).
If people stopped trying to net free wins and learned how to play the game then it wouldn't be going downhill like it is.

I personally see champ as the best player, eventually he'll be consistently winning over everybody else. However, writing this list I think some choices were influenced by the salt in his eyes.

#80
Hackstermatrix said on January 16, 2014 at 4:38 a.m.

Nova,Storm,Iron Man and Shuma are clearly overrated in this list.
Morrigan, Vergil and Zero should not come back in future marvel games.
OP nonsense.

#81
MarthFE said on January 17, 2014 at 12:32 a.m.

Lol, that's beyond bias. It's called balancing. You'd be surprised what a few numbers can do to a character without removing them or changing their moves.

#82
ChangeIsStability said on March 20, 2014 at 10:47 a.m.

crap, i'm late. just got back internet 3 days ago. someone might read:
Ya damn straight Ryu is above Chun-Li. never gender, it's F***ing Unity. ya just can't forget Master Ryu simply has the "Beam" blasts, to be basic. DAT crazy a$$ Spiritual Pressure. and he's perfect balance, Spirit and Matter, Speed and Strength: (the Darkness: the Knowledge) Ryu is Preserver. which is Good God, the Master of All Preservers (as a Teen. Alpha. Vishnu = Grandpa aspect of Good God. Child, Teen, Grown Up, Grandparent is made separate beings,for the Primary God's at least. but the same being. disunited, not disconnected.) Tier? from EXTREME opacity to RIDICULOUS Spiritual Pressure. From Matter to Spirit:
Etheric Body: Power Center: Body: Destroyer or Transformer
Emotional Body: Power Center: Emotions and Body: Chaos
Mental Body: PC: Mind and Body (intellect): Will
Astral Body: PC: Heart and Spirit: Preserver
Spiritual Body: PC: Spirit and Body: Order
Celestial Body: PC: Mind and Spirit: Creator
(Ketheric Body=a God,all in 1

#83


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