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Tier list evolution: See how SSF4 AE v2012's characters are changing over time - EventHubs preview

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • February 22, 2014 at 4:03 p.m. PST
Today we're showing off a new feature for our tier listings that TheUncharted has been hard at work on, displaying the daily/weekly/monthly changes to the character's overall match-up scores for Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012.

When we launch our new tier index page for SSF4 AE v2012, you'll be able to see a full breakdown of all of the characters — and you'll easily be able to chart how they've changed in recent times.

Tiers never stay static, and just as Oni, Evil Ryu and Gen have all seen rises in power in regards to tier listings in recent memory — our new index page will reflect that. Here's a preview, see the entire breakdown by clicking this image below.


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Hit the jump to see more.

To give a more in-depth explanation of what's happening here, we'll take a closer look at Fei Long's data from the last month.

His overall score is 206.11, currently. From yesterday, his overall score actually improved very slightly, +0.01, looking even further back, he's been on the rise still, improving +0.51 since a week's time. Looking even further back, Fei Long continues to grow in people's opinions, gaining a whole +1.71 in that time span.

Now we'll take a look at a character who's not as cut and dry in regards to how their ranking has changed, Dee Jay.

As you can see, he's seen slight improvements in his overall score in the last day and week, but from the last 30 days — his score has actually dropped -1.05.

This means that while in very recent memory, he's slightly improved — but he saw a rather significant drop in the past, but he's been slightly recovering from it now.

Here's a breakdown of what all of the columns we haven't explained mean.

Legend


Votes - Total number of votes this character has received for their match-ups.

Fa - Total number of favorable match-ups for this character.

ME - Total number of mostly even match-ups for this character.

Un - Total number of unfavorable match-ups for this character.

SD - Standard deviation. Shows how the votes for this character vary across all of our users. A lower number shows that more people agree with this character's match ups, while a higher number shows that this character's match-ups are more contentious.

We'll be launching this new tier index page, which also contains a few more bells and whistles in the very near future.

If you'd like, you can hit our current tiers page for additional match up data, or to vote in the matches.

If you have any questions or comments, please leave them below.

Comments

Coutoz said on February 22, 2014 at 4:05 p.m.

Really cool stuff guys.

#1
Baby_Astaroth said on February 22, 2014 at 4:07 p.m.

It's like a living breathing tier list.

#2
Catalyst said on February 22, 2014 at 4:12 p.m.

Yes, that's exactly what it is, haha. Apt description.

#3
s0lid_snake said on February 22, 2014 at 4:15 p.m.

How do I view a full tier list chart with all the match ups on one page, if that is even an option.

#4
sarif2soon said on February 22, 2014 at 4:18 p.m.

Nice work, TheUncharted! This is astounding!
Can't wait for the player rankings!

#5
Catalyst said on February 22, 2014 at 4:18 p.m.

We actually won't be doing that, at least — not in the foreseeable future.

All of the match ups are currently listed on the character pages themselves, but we'll be upgrading those as well to show the daily/weekly/monthly changes.

This is a pretty new way to read and view tier data, as such, we left that old convention behind in favor of displaying the information in a much more clean and informative way.

#6
Catalyst said on February 22, 2014 at 4:20 p.m.

No one has asked yet, but this won't be exclusive to SSF4 AE v2012. All of the games in our tier listing will have these features going forward — all 27 and counting titles.

#7
meowmeowkittenz said on February 22, 2014 at 4:26 p.m.

Will be fun to watch this track over the long term and see big shifts with tournament results when characters break out.

#8
Codech64 said on February 22, 2014 at 5 p.m.

Wow...I'm really surprised..this is the most accurate list I have ever seen.

#9
maxi2099 said on February 22, 2014 at 5:32 p.m.

And the troll votes continues...
There's people voting 9x1 and 8x2 in T. Hawk's favor AGAINIST Blanka.

#10
Jason said on February 22, 2014 at 6:09 p.m.

When is this getting expanded into more games?

#11
hursh said on February 22, 2014 at 6:13 p.m.

for the standard deviations, whats considered a high number and a low number in this context? since mostly everything is basically at 1 sd

#12
Quakeulf said on February 22, 2014 at 6:25 p.m.

Hawk solidifies as a bottom tier and Capcom will do nothing to change this.

For U Hawk will need a Condor Divekick, Condor Flashkick, Condor Teleport, Condor slide, Condor oil, Condor Rekka, Condor Demonflip, Condor airthrow, Condor upblast, Condor reflect and Condor riverdance.

For projectiles, give him real Tomahawk missiles. Preferably acting like Doom's hidden missiles.

Only then will he at best be mid-tier.

#13
kingmedicine said on February 22, 2014 at 7:39 p.m.

I know this list is an in progress thing but some characters rankings are weird. blanka, and E. Ryu higher than Rose, Deejay higher than Makoto, Guy, and Cody, and Yang higher than Sim? i know tier lists are supposed to be taken with a grain of salt but man this one seems weird.

#14
Eternal said on February 22, 2014 at 7:46 p.m.

Way too many people are using Dan for free points. He may or may not be the worst character but there is no way that the gap between Dan (39th place 159.51) and El Fuerte (37th place 179.36) is the same as the gap between El Fuerte (37th place 179.36) and Ibuki (6th place 199.70)

Think about that.

39th-37th is the same gap as 37th-6th. I personally think that the gaps between each character are larger than are being reflected in this popularitier list but Dan is such an outlier from the normal stats it is obviously incorrect.

#15
Noocta said on February 22, 2014 at 8:02 p.m.

Seriously, how is Bison 13th and Makoto 29th ? lol

#16
spotlesseden said on February 22, 2014 at 8:19 p.m.

characters/tiers are the same. people's opinions changed.

#17
Eye_of_Orochi said on February 22, 2014 at 8:24 p.m.

This is why we can't have nice things

#18
Catalyst said on February 22, 2014 at 8:30 p.m.

We need to finish AE v2012 first, which we're getting close to doing. Then we'll be rolling out UMvC3.

From there, the other games will come much faster, because we'll have finalized the process.

A LOT of moving parts here, but I'd say we'll have a lot/most/all of games live .... within the next month or two.

#19
Strider_Hien said on February 22, 2014 at 9:56 p.m.

I never expected too see something like this.Tier have always been a seriously debated topic and having the power to change it (with skill,dedication and research of course) is truly amazing.Eager to see how you'll tackle UMVC3 and other FG's with variable characters and extra elements(Persona,Aquapazza for example)

#20
bagel_bytez said on February 22, 2014 at 10:24 p.m.

Uhhh every character you mentioned is or should be higher than sim...

#21
bagel_bytez said on February 22, 2014 at 10:27 p.m.

BTW has this made ANYONE go to the tier list and carefully consider the choices you made for the matchups? I know I made a few adjustments (and not just to 'test' the system or something like that)

#22
Smorgasboard said on February 22, 2014 at 11:22 p.m.

No matter how much Capcom balances the characters, they can't directly affect this tier list because it is based on people's perception. You know can affect this list? Players who take a character and win tournaments with them. A lot of characters would move down the list if certain players didn't play them and consequently T Hawk would have moved up.

#23
Catalyst said on February 22, 2014 at 11:33 p.m.

I'm constantly making adjustments, from watching tournaments to playing my own matches.

#24
CaptainPlanet said on February 23, 2014 at 12:41 a.m.

Poor Dan... ^_^

#25
devilcuco said on February 23, 2014 at 1:17 a.m.

Great work, keep it up.

I'll like to see a db here with a log of top 8 tournament results by char. Evolving like this one for every tourney covered here. Starting with ultra sf4 tourneys.

So we can know witch chars are more solid at pro tournament lvl.

#26
Raven said on February 23, 2014 at 3:13 a.m.

Wow Catty, this is amazing. A dynamic tier list is just awesome because it can reflect the changes in real time (would be awesome for match-ups as well).

But it's a lot of work to change these numbers every day. Would be cool if there was a way to automate it.

#27
JIHADJOE said on February 23, 2014 at 3:21 a.m.

@13
You forgot Condor Goku Satsu

#28
bagel_bytez said on February 23, 2014 at 6:12 a.m.

This will be even more interesting once usf4 is dropped and the deck is shuffled

#29
kingmedicine said on February 23, 2014 at 10:10 a.m.

Ummm... only character i have a problem with being higher than Sim is Yang?

#30
bagel_bytez said on February 23, 2014 at 3:35 p.m.

My personal opinion is better than your personal opinion lol. Jks, but yeh that's why it's an opinion and not fact

#31
kingmedicine said on February 23, 2014 at 7:44 p.m.

I understand that and i wasn't getting offended, i was just confused i agree that a lot of those characters are stronger than Sim, my brother is a Sim main i have to listen to him complain about match-ups all the time. But the only character i compared to Sim was Yang. thus the confusion.

#32
ArkticDark said on February 23, 2014 at 9:19 p.m.

Man I wish Abel had better match ups. He is fun to play but difficult in popular match ups.

#33
Eternal said on February 24, 2014 at 12:02 a.m.

Yeah but on the plus side he has a number of matchups he does REALLY well in. He is still IMO one of the more underrated characters though he certainly has his share of issues.

#34
feralwolf72 said on February 24, 2014 at 1:24 a.m.

this thing is nuts, you guys are like warlocks.

#35
MRN_SirFoxington said on February 24, 2014 at 12:41 p.m.

of course Dudley bottom as usual :( even lower than Balrog ^..No worries Sir Dudley,you shall rise and destroy in USF4- I wont throw you away and will stay Loyal <3

#36


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