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Top 20 best/worst match ups in Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012

Posted by Catalyst
February 17, 2014 at 8:47 p.m. PST

Our tiers area for Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012 is getting populated with all sorts of interesting data, and as part of our efforts to expand our offerings, we wanted to show what the best/worst match-ups are currently, as voted by our readers.

In the near future, we'll be launching a brand new index page for the SSF4 AE v2012 tiers, which will have all sorts of interesting metrics, including notes on how the match-up data is changing on a daily/weekly/monthly basis, so you can chart how the characters and various matches are evolving.

Until then, to tide you over, we're displaying who the best/worst match ups are in the game. Hit the jump to view the breakdown.

Top 20 best/worst match ups in Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012


1. Blanka 7.7 / T. Hawk 2.3
2. Guile 7.1 / M. Bison 2.9
3. Sagat 7.0 / Zangief 3.0
4. Cammy 6.9 / Dhalsim 3.1
5. Yun 6.7 / Dhalsim 3.3

6. C. Viper 6.6 / Dhalsim 3.4
6. Dhalsim 6.6 / E. Honda 3.4
6. Dhalsim 6.6 / T. Hawk 3.4
6. Seth 6.6 / Dan 3.4
6. Sagat 6.6 / T. Hawk 3.4

11. Sagat 6.5 / E. Honda 3.5
11. Seth 6.5 / Dhalsim 3.5
11. Seth 6.5 / Zangief 3.5

14. Akuma 6.4 / Dan 3.6
14. Akuma 6.4 / T. Hawk 3.6
14. Akuma 6.4 / Zangief 3.6
14. Cammy 6.4 / Dan 3.6
14. Dhalsim 6.4 / Zangief 3.6
14. Guile 6.4 / T. Hawk 3.6
14. Seth 6.4 / E. Honda 3.6

Numbers as of Feb. 17, 2014 at 1 p.m. PST.

Comments

Mr_Pyro said on February 17, 2014 at 8:52 p.m.

Poor T. Hawk. And Dhalsim. And Honda. And Dan. Gief too, really.

#1
RedRyu said on February 17, 2014 at 8:54 p.m.

Seth needs nerfs, NOW.

#2
RedRyu said on February 17, 2014 at 8:56 p.m.

Also sim. NERF THAT LAME SON OF A #%|<€!!!

#3
spotlesseden said on February 17, 2014 at 8:57 p.m.

14. Dhalsim 6.4 / Zangief 3.6
14. Dhalsim 6.4 / Zangief 3.6

#4
c_wong428 said on February 17, 2014 at 9 p.m.

Where's Fei Long vs Honda?

#5
Catalyst said on February 17, 2014 at 9 p.m.

Oops! OK, that makes this a more even number now. Thanks.

#6
Catalyst said on February 17, 2014 at 9:01 p.m.

Honda vs. Fei Long is listed as 4.0 to 6.0, and so it didn't make the list. http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/sf4/ch...

#7
Shinebox said on February 17, 2014 at 9:05 p.m.

Makoto is far worse for Dhalsim than Cammy and Yun.

#8
darko_p86 said on February 17, 2014 at 9:06 p.m.

Just a question, but would this game be perfectly balanced if every characters special and normal moves had exactly the same frames, startups, damage etc. so that the only factor that matters is the actual players personal skill. Couldn't they do that?

#9
star123us said on February 17, 2014 at 9:14 p.m.

Still surprised about how people overrated Chun-li in AE2012... Her normals seem nice but one of the crucial weaknesses are that she is the character with charing specials and her normal unique moves also influence the charging move.

#10
MCHAWKING said on February 17, 2014 at 9:16 p.m.

They already did make that, its called rock paper scissors

#11
Spaghetti_Time said on February 17, 2014 at 9:16 p.m.

When you say "etc." what are you including? Range? Priority?

If that's the case, it'd be a game with 40+ characters who were very much the same.

"Perfect" balance would be impossible to achieve as that would require far more than just frame-data/damage/etc change. Move Cancels, meter gain, push-back from hit and block...the list goes on. But the end result would be a game that wasn't very dynamic.

#12
bagel_bytez said on February 17, 2014 at 9:48 p.m.

Dhalsim is on the bad end of a lot of matchups, which is expected. The other thing that is interesting is he made the list from both ends of the spectrum. Just goes to show how truly unique his style is in comparison to others

#13
DannyBoyPERU said on February 17, 2014 at 9:51 p.m.

Poor Honda :/

#14
put_Garuda_in_SFIV said on February 17, 2014 at 9:54 p.m.

Sagat vs Ibuki sucks too

#15
A1sauceDaBoss said on February 17, 2014 at 9:57 p.m.

You must really suck with her saying something ignorant

#16
skitz0phrenic said on February 17, 2014 at 9:59 p.m.

Dan shouldn't even be on that list. He doesn't have any match ups worse than 4-6.

People just don't know the character after all these years and make really uninformed votes.

#17
JDragonX said on February 17, 2014 at 10:03 p.m.

Guy vs Gief is EASILY 7-3.

#18
Darklurkr23 said on February 17, 2014 at 10:12 p.m.

hahaha now there's point . matchups? Jeez what happened to W/L

And where the hell is like 10-0 Cam/Zangief

#19
sarif2soon said on February 17, 2014 at 10:14 p.m.

The way PoongKo's Seth been doing against Dhalsim in that recent set makes you think it's actually in dhalsim's favor.

#20
GoldenTrophy said on February 17, 2014 at 10:15 p.m.

Vanilla Gief vs Seth was hands down the worst matchup in SF4 history.

#21
xxMarshy said on February 17, 2014 at 10:16 p.m.

Can someone please explain why M. Bison vs Guile is worse than E. Honda vs Guile? Can one of E. Honda's jumping normals not be anti aired by Guile or something? Because that's the only way it would make sense, Bison has a million more ways to deal with fireballs than E. Honda.

#22
freeHUGS said on February 17, 2014 at 10:23 p.m.

Look at all those lopsided matchups. It's a good thing Zangief is being nerfed.

#23
Ark_8 said on February 17, 2014 at 10:51 p.m.

Where is GIEF VS GUY 7-3

#24
Baby_Astaroth said on February 17, 2014 at 11:18 p.m.

Honda beats Hawk 10-0 easy. That has got to be the worst match ever for Hawk.

#25
kaka said on February 17, 2014 at 11:18 p.m.

i have an idea: remove all the lopsided advantaged characters. now we have a balanced game!

#26
EnsignHiro said on February 17, 2014 at 11:21 p.m.

I lovevthe akuma vs gief one. Not sure why but I love seeing a big Siberian muscular man lose to some psycopath martial artist

#27
Baby_Astaroth said on February 17, 2014 at 11:25 p.m.

You can sometimes jump MP Guile out of flash kick, you can jump over him on wake up and he can't do anything about it, you can ultra through booms for a nice punish, you can crouch HP in between his crouch HK, EX butt smash beats flash kick, etc.

I really don't fear Guile players. Even though Honda and Guile can use auto correct for their ultra 1, Guile's auto correct ultra 1 sucks.

More Honda players should use EX command throw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKB-Hs...

#28
alfarin said on February 17, 2014 at 11:59 p.m.

No Rog vs Cammy?

#29
SevenDaggers said on February 18, 2014 at 12:06 a.m.

I am suprised at the lack of Cody.. some of his matchups are insanely hard.

#30
bobalu2 said on February 18, 2014 at 12:52 a.m.

Vega vs Rufus. /thread!

#31
deus said on February 18, 2014 at 1:06 a.m.

Cammy, Seth n Viper vs Sim are his only bad matchups? Is this a joke?

Juri vs Sim (as bad as THawk vs Blanka)
Makoto vs Sim
Abel vs Sim

#32
suicine94 said on February 18, 2014 at 1:11 a.m.

how to we inform combofiend that hawk v blanka is worst match up? combo need to do something about this like he did with guile and bison

#33
warriors said on February 18, 2014 at 1:17 a.m.

doesnt ibuki destroy dhalsim as well
shouldn't that be on this list

#34
sarif2soon said on February 18, 2014 at 1:19 a.m.

This shows Seth vs. characters who are known to be bad. It's those characters who need buffs. Seth already got hammered with the nerfs.

#35
nocturnal said on February 18, 2014 at 1:45 a.m.

Vega vs Rufus should be in that list. It really is a harder MU than Bison vs Guile

#36
oghaggard said on February 18, 2014 at 1:46 a.m.

To the people asking "why isn't XYZ on the list," this is not something somebody chose individually. This is taken from an aggregate of votes. If you feel a certain way, vote that way on the tier listings for EB. If you're the minority in feeling the way you do, then that is represented in the data.

#37
PrideAndFury said on February 18, 2014 at 1:55 a.m.

How the f*%@ is Guile vs Bison worse than Honda vs Dhalsim?

#38
uguumachine said on February 18, 2014 at 1:58 a.m.

If you think some random match-up, that isn't on the list, is harder than the Bison/Guile MU, you don't know how to play.

#39
Existent said on February 18, 2014 at 2:27 a.m.

Projectiles are only one aspect of the game. It's a lot more complicated than that.

#40
z3poxx said on February 18, 2014 at 2:39 a.m.

Kinda funny to sim up there 3 times and without the abel/sim matchup.
That matchup is probably one of the top 5 most unfair matchups in the game.

#41
Bojann said on February 18, 2014 at 3:01 a.m.

Where is Gen vs Daigo? :)

#42
SelamatPagi said on February 18, 2014 at 3:01 a.m.

Hahaha this. I can't believe they have matchups like Akuma-Dan, and not the dreaded Guy-Gief or Guy-Honda

#43
BamDigga said on February 18, 2014 at 3:06 a.m.

no balrog, hes totally mid

#44
pants4ever said on February 18, 2014 at 3:06 a.m.

(This user was banned.)

#45
r0my5 said on February 18, 2014 at 3:24 a.m.

Honda-Guy is worse than Gief-Guy but both should be on this list

#46
darkcloudzzz said on February 18, 2014 at 3:26 a.m.

you would imagine with the number of times t-hawk appears in this list, he and some of the other cast on the receiving would need alot of significant buffs in ultra. But no...blanka is getting buffed, sagat is gettting buffed and even ken is getting buffed.. life is going to suck for whoever's still using them in ultra..

#47
Dante85 said on February 18, 2014 at 3:31 a.m.

can somebody explain how thawk x blanka is worse than bison x guile?

if u search for the videos of 5000+pp players in the japanese live u can find some hawks whos manage to win the match but i never saw a 5000pp bison defeat a 5000pp guile

check this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnGU0...
easily the best guile in the world vs a top 2 bison

and i must say that dieminon lack experience when they played, guile can crouch fierce all the stomp version and devil reverse, no time required just mash. u can check the most recent dieminion videos and he beats bisons players much more free now

#48
Nukka said on February 18, 2014 at 3:33 a.m.

Surprised Ryu vs Sim didn't make the cut, I always thought that match was pretty damn bad for Ryu.

#49
Smorgasboard said on February 18, 2014 at 3:43 a.m.

Guys, it's all 10-0 anyway. No need to argue which is worse.

#50
7o70n1 said on February 18, 2014 at 4:34 a.m.

Damn, honestly, it's the messed up matchups that really unbalance the game. But I doubt anything will be done about them, it's already hard enough to balance each character, they're not going to make "special" changes to bad matchup characters. Although I do think it's possible, I don't think these matchups will be "fixed" .. how can you fix sagat vs gief or dhalsim vs gief, guile vs bison etc, when they are trying to make changes to those characters to balance them for other characters (the game itself) as well? And of course I think the only way to fix blanka over all is to nerf him to a low tier character, bcuz his trolling capabilities balance him out. People need to realize that blanka truly is a troll character, so why give noobs a character they can cheese with against players who play with skill? And before I get any blanka fans commenting against me, why do you think he was rated easily the most hated character in the game?

#51
DougQuaidHauser said on February 18, 2014 at 4:35 a.m.

At all the clowns crying over dhalsim, he is an awful character now since vanilla\super!
Gief, hawk and Honda deal a **** load of damage once they ex in, game over....

#52
darkcloudzzz said on February 18, 2014 at 4:36 a.m.

hmmm...imo the bison x guile matchup is just like most bad matchups against zoners without a good getting in tool, etc, guile t-hawk, sagat vs zhangief, and trust me its nasty. but at least u can start putting on pressure once you put guile into a corner with scissors kick and normals. for the blanka hawk match up, none of t-hawk's normals will beat blanka at ANY range. and you cant even put pressure on him because electricity will punish all of t-hawks special moves. in addition, from almost 3/4 length of the screen, if hawk jumps he will be punished with up ball. imagine if guile had a flash kick that beats all of bison's moves the moment he jumps and from 3/4 screen away..not even funny. the moment you try to walk foward you will get chiped by horizontal ball and if u block it you still cant punish it. even if u finally succeed in putting him into a corner he can ex-rainbow roll out and everything starts over again. p.s. i'm pretty sure the hawk matches you saw almost have 75% of them ending with hawk landing an ultra..otherwise its a real uphill battle

#53
Cyclops said on February 18, 2014 at 4:40 a.m.

How the hell is akuma - gouken not on here?

#54
damnat1on said on February 18, 2014 at 5:02 a.m.

(This user was banned.)

#55
JIHADJOE said on February 18, 2014 at 5:25 a.m.

@49
IMO the worst matchups are often those that are unintentionally bad.

Ryu is often the template character for any SF game, so while he's not often going overly dominate any match, he's never going to get totally destroyed either.

Sim-Ryu is bad for Ryu, because Sim was obviously designed to beat Ryu but Ryu still has the means to fight back. It just happens to be an uphill battle that requires taking more risks.

Sim's bad matchups, OTOH, seem like they totally forgot that he might have to fight CQC/Vortex characters. Cammy gets in on him any number of ways, and once in she completely destroys him.

#56
mrdrofficer said on February 18, 2014 at 5:34 a.m.

None of that is really true in 2012. Vanilla? Sure. Super? Why not? 2012? Not at all. Go through Honda's change list for 2012 and you can see every one of those options properties weakened. Bison players are just more whiny and used to bullying characters.

#57
Capcom_Warrior said on February 18, 2014 at 6:43 a.m.

I know some of these match-ups are pretty tough but I also think that tough match-ups are what make SF4 interesting. If every character was even there would be no hype. We all know that hype is what makes watching and playing SF4 more fun! Adapt...

#58
Remondo02 said on February 18, 2014 at 6:50 a.m.

It shows how strong the top tiers are.

#59
Kijui said on February 18, 2014 at 7:17 a.m.

Oh look, a list where Dan makes top 20 more than once, and he's STILL not in the top 5! WTF?!

#60
GirlsOfGaming said on February 18, 2014 at 7:35 a.m.

so cammy really is the most solid female character in the game, at the moment. lol, i didn't say balanced, let that be noted for the record.

#61
FakeSypha said on February 18, 2014 at 7:46 a.m.

No Rufus-Claw MU? hmmm, ok.

#62
lueymann said on February 18, 2014 at 7:49 a.m.

T Hawk & Dan are not counter picks to anyone?

#63
Kijui said on February 18, 2014 at 7:49 a.m.

Another thing I noticed.. Ummm who the hell thinks Dan has a hard time against Cammy and Akuma? Seriously? As long as you don't get knocked down Dan's in the clear... Dan can punish cammy's recovery fairly well and Akuma isn't really threatening once you get past his fireballs. If anything, Chun-Li is more of a mind-destroyer than any of these matches.....

Those of you who don't main Dan don't understand the principles of Saikyo.. it isn't about speed.. its about precision and staying in your opponent's head... but not their range... Our goal is to make decisions of how YOU are going to attack, Saikyo is the definition of Reading an opponent... Forcing them to make a move we wanted them to make, yet there are situations where they are already gonna do so... Precision is the key to Saikyo, this is why people think Dan is bad.. it requirs the skill of a fairly accurate person or a computer to makes the reads and stuffs Dan must make to win. We literally have to strike first to strike first, its tough, this why you see a lot of Dans getting stuffed, its because Saikyo sees into the future, tha's why its known as an Up and coming style, not jsut because its a new style. Its self taught

#64
samuraix025 said on February 18, 2014 at 7:58 a.m.

how is guy gief and guy honda not on here...

enough people don't play guy man, thats why they keep buffiing then reverting him

#65
SAMURAI said on February 18, 2014 at 8:10 a.m.

You'll never survive in the jungle!!

#66
GoexArg said on February 18, 2014 at 8:19 a.m.

more nerfs??? you are just a NOOB, go and play candy crush ...

seth is one of the most hated characters...thats why noobs like you cry all day against him ... his hp its a JOKE , one combo, vortex, combo 2 and you die..... the last match from poongko against A GOOD DALSHIM,... 6.5/3.5?? WTF? , go and main seth, fight against a good dalshim and try it....

#67
BlackOnyxThunder said on February 18, 2014 at 8:30 a.m.

I think we can ALL agree that any "match up" with Guile, is gonna be a complete headache.

#68
TagAnarchy said on February 18, 2014 at 8:30 a.m.

This seems like a pretty true list. Interesting...

#69
Green016 said on February 18, 2014 at 8:34 a.m.

And the geniuses at Capcom are nerfing Gief yet again lol. It's just sad what they're doing to that character.

#70
deteknician said on February 18, 2014 at 8:51 a.m.

I never get people like you. Can you read? He literally is now getting a ton of buffs. Life is going to suck for you because you're a dummy.

Here's just a couple THawk buffs:

Movement speed slightly increased
Crouching MK now Special
L Condor Spire start-up reduced from 20F to 11F; changed from -5 to -2 on block
M Condor Spire start-up reduced from 20F to 14F
L Tomahawk Buster start-up reduced from 5F to 4F
EX Tomahawk Buster now EX Focus-cancellable; bug where the move could only be cancelled on hit fixed
L Mexican Typhoon throw range increased from 1.5 to 1.55

#71
deteknician said on February 18, 2014 at 9:06 a.m.

Sorry for being an ass but dude, if you don't think that's a lot of buffs then you will never be happy.

#72
mrdrofficer said on February 18, 2014 at 9:31 a.m.

Alright... YOU - I agree with. Guile is a top-character. Maybe not broken, but his playstyle is damnation for half the cast.

#73
Quakeulf said on February 18, 2014 at 9:40 a.m.

These aren't all the buffs he needs. He needs hitbox and hurtbox adjustments, light, medium and hard Spire and Tomahawk all needs to have Focus-canceling, his hard spire should go through fireballs, his jump should be quicker, his dive should be quicker and have less recovery, and overall make his air-to-air game a lot better.

Bonus: Since they are reintroducing ST Ryu they should have O. Hawk with no whiff animation for command grabs. INSTANT TOP TIER.

#74
nebbiez said on February 18, 2014 at 10:38 a.m.

Against an Akuma with an air tight air fireball game, the matchup is like 9-1 to Akuma. There is literally NOTHING Dan can do to get in, regardless of the skill of the player. He just gets zoned to death and can't do a damn thing about it.

#75
nebbiez said on February 18, 2014 at 10:41 a.m.

Thumbs up to everyone who mentioned Guy-Honda and Guy-Gief. Anyone who doesn't agree that they are both 7-3 against Guy has never played him and has no idea how almost-impossible they are at high level.

#76
mrdrofficer said on February 18, 2014 at 11 a.m.

It's all about the standing forward in that match.

Clearly, these results need a few more votes.

#77
darkcloudzzz said on February 18, 2014 at 11:14 a.m.

no need to be offensive but just try to put things into perspective

crouching mk being special cancelable is not going to do anything for hawk, you might as well use stand mp to cancel into dp
condore spires start up is good but its not going to make any sig diff in any of those bad match-ups. why? because 1) it gets beaten by every single move e.g blanka horizontal ball on reaction 2) more importantly its punishable ON HIT 3)which leading to crouching mk being special cancelable, useless because you wont want to combo into condor spire unless u want to get punished

dp and better throw range is good but it dosent change any of the match ups because e.g you are not going to be dping blanka
a whole lot nor will the range increase help u to punish his blanka balls

only change that can be helpful is faster movement speed but putting this into perspective of the other buffs to the other characters... sagat lk special cancelable, ken getting faster movement speed, knockdown on blanka ball

if you have any insight on how these current buffs will make any of the bad matchups slightly less lop sided..i'm all ears

#78
darkcloudzzz said on February 18, 2014 at 11:23 a.m.

i'm just curious with your interpretation of the current tier list who do you reckon will be the worst characters in ultra, since in your opinion hawk has received so much buffs? cause from what i've seen of the changes log, its still going to be the same characters e.g dan, hawk, maybe deejay at the end of the line while mid tiers will all be getting stronger significantly

#79
star123us said on February 18, 2014 at 11:40 a.m.

Currently, I think Chun for sure... (I paste my old opinions bout Chun) For Chun-li, Hard Knock Down is not the problem... I think one of the problem is that she is charging char and every specials are not that viable.(Esp normal SBK I guess.... and now, Capcom is making it to cause hard knock down and take away one of the trial combos that people actually use for damage) She seems very defensive with her normal moves but her options are pretty much limited. Even there are great normal moves, but the game is more complex and the balance between normal and special move is the key factor(and most specials are more powerful than normal and she sometimes need to reset the charging to use normals. Her standing mk is good but she can't charge while using that. And her standing hard kick and punch are risky.) Her fireball game seems good but she lose to Guile and Deejay who are charging characters because they have much faster recovery with better charging options(when the opponents jump in, they can counter them by using anti-specials while charging after throw fireball and chun-li has to counter it by using EX SBK or normals which are risky. Even Guile has less charging time) Non-charging char's fireball is bit slower recovery but much easier to use and adjust during the match. Like I said before, her normal SBK is kinda useless without link it into combo.(But EX is way useful). Her head stomp is only for finishing combos and her wall jump is terrible(one of the things that you should not do in the matches) When the opponent has faster reaction, hazanshu is easily punishable and opponent can easily counter it with focus attack(one of the risky part). In addition, she is really good when she is winning. But in opposite situation, she has to really struggle for the comeback. SAD...:(

#80
MRN_SirFoxington said on February 18, 2014 at 11:45 a.m.

No Dudley Matchups :(...anyways,Dudley don't have bad match-ups - he lets others win because hes a Gentleman :P:P:P JK. I ONLY play Dudley and I cant Say anything bad about his buffs in USF4 nor I cant/shouldn't complain at all! I love him and I wish he would exist in real life hahahaha

#81
GoldenTrophy said on February 18, 2014 at 11:56 a.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azp9gN...

I agree with the Cammy matchup but Dan Akuma is horendous

#82
BucketheadZ06 said on February 18, 2014 at 1:08 p.m.

My thoughts EXACTLY! But watching this makes me proud to be A ranked with Honda.

#83
LittleScumbag said on February 18, 2014 at 1:24 p.m.

You are a pathetic noob !!! Why?
Because Zangief can deal with Cammy, its (after Dee Jay) the hardest matchup for CAMMY !!!

Think before commenting, you might look dumb !

#84
Necreon said on February 18, 2014 at 1:27 p.m.

Something is not right. It's a list about top 20 worst something, and Vega isn't even mentioned.

You know. Rufus.

#85
Eye_of_Orochi said on February 18, 2014 at 2:16 p.m.

Hawk will need a slightly less floaty jump, jump back normal dive OR (not and) fireball invincibility frames on light Spire to ever be truly competitive. He will be vastly improved in obvious areas with Ultra but I still don't think it will be enough to get him out of bottom 5 (again)

These bad match ups are spot on though, easily my worst match ups personally (except Akuma for some reason, would replace with Juri).

#86
Pmagic said on February 18, 2014 at 2:21 p.m.

nerf blanka....lol chile please.

blanka a mid to low tier fighter who only exceeds when played by a great player or against someone who doesnt know the match-up. still there is only so so far you can take him.

how many majors have blanka won?

kappa.

#87
Existent said on February 18, 2014 at 2:22 p.m.

All you're saying is that you have to be significantly better than your opponent to win with Dan. Everything you said can literally be applied to every other matchup. Being psychic does not make a bad character good.

#88
Eye_of_Orochi said on February 18, 2014 at 2:26 p.m.

Ha Kijui is awesome. I wish I had that passion about my characters like I used to.

I would like to run a set with you sometime Kijui. My Dan battlin' skills need improving. Maybe when my Internet isn't acting up.

#89
InternetHandle said on February 18, 2014 at 3:50 p.m.

Really, 7.7/2.3 I dont think there are any match ups that are worse than 6/4, maybe a 7/3 here and there. Some get real bad in certain situations, like if Akuma knocks Balrog down but the match up as a whole is not that bad. Dhalsim has some bad match ups but they are not that bad until the other guy gets in. Until then the match is pretty much in Dhalsim's favor.

I just think the match ups in SF4 are too fluid to say one character has such an advantage they are going to win 70% of the time especially when you are talking about the best players playing each other.

#90
Bushinryuken said on February 18, 2014 at 4:54 p.m.

I couldn't agree with this more. I'm incredibly surprised that matchup isn't on here. Guy can't hold his own against a good Gief.

#91
Pavi said on February 23, 2014 at 10:35 a.m.

No Oni-Akuma 3-7? maybe even 2/8

#92
PrideAndFury said on February 24, 2014 at 5:32 a.m.

This is what honestly perplexes me. Bison players love to complain and say this matchup is unwinnable yet Honda has a WAY harder time in this matchup.

#93


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