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Overview of current tier standings and how they've changed in SSF4 AE v2012, tiers icon added to EventHubs

Posted by Catalyst
February 1, 2014 at 10 p.m. PST

Tier lists are an ever changing rating system for fighting games. Perceptions of characters are constantly altered — even when there characters themselves remain the same in what they're capable of.

Last month we offered a preliminary look at how the numbers were shaping up, but we've received a considerable amount more votes since that time and some of the placings and overall opinions have changed.

As such, we've broken down the list into a table, showing the current scores (47,000+ votes) compared with last month's scores (29.000+ votes), along with columns showing how much they've changed.

Also, we've added a new tiers icon to the very top of the website, so it's a little easier to find the tiers section going forward, although it still only links to the SSF4 AE v2012 portion.

Hit the jump to see our latest breakdown along with notes.

Notable details and explanations


• The columns on the right hand side stand for Score Differential (S. Diff.) and Position Differential (P. Diff) and they indicate how much the character's overall score, or position on the list changed, respectively.

• Cammy overtook Akuma for the top spot overall, jumping up a whopping 2.7 points. Other notable jumps in overall score included Guile +2.2, Fei Long +1.2 and M. Bison +1.2.

• On the other end of things, Cody and Yang took the biggest drops at -1.7 apiece, they were followed by C. Viper, Dee Jay and Hakan who all dropped -1.1 and Makoto, El Fuerte and Dan who sunk a full point (-1.0).

• Oni jumped four spots in the overall rankings, which might be due to his recent tournament success.

• Yang dropped 3 positions since the last rankings.

• Oddly enough, Akuma, M. Bison and Dhalsim's overall score improved, but they each still dropped a single position overall.

• The reverse was true for Ryu, Zangief, Makoto, and El Fuerte, who all actually had lower scores in this current list, compared to the last one — but actually went up spots, because some of the people above them got worse.

SSF4 AE v2012 tiers changes from 29,000+ to 47,000+ votes


# Character Overall (47,000+ votes) Overall (29,000+ votes) S. Diff. P. Diff.
1. Cammy 215.3 212.6 +2.7 +1
2. Akuma 215.0 214.8 +0.2 -1
3. Seth 210.6 209.8 +0.8 -
4. Fei Long 205.6 204.4 +1.2 -
5. Adon 201.1 200.1 +1.0 +1
6. Ibuki 199.7 198.8 +0.9 +1
7. C. Viper 199.1 200.2 -1.1 -2
8. Yun 198.2 198.7 -0.5 -
9. Sagat 195.5 195.2 +0.3 -
10. Guile 195.2 193.0 +2.2 +2
11. Sakura 194.8 193.8 +1.0 -
12. Rufus 193.9 194.8 -0.9 -2
13. M. Bison 193.0 191.8 +1.2 -1
14. Ryu 192.5 192.9 -0.4 +1
15. Balrog 191.6 191.5 +0.1 -
16. Gen 190.7 191.0 -0.3 -
17. Ken 189.9 190.1 -0.2 -1
17. Oni 189.9 189.2 +0.7 +4
19. Evil Ryu 189.6 190.3 -0.7 -2
20. Blanka 189.4 189.4 - -
21. Juri 188.8 189.5 -0.7 -2
21. Vega 188.8 188.1 +0.7 +1
23. Abel 188.1 187.6 +0.5 -
24. Rose 187.2 186.4 +0.8 -
25. Chun-Li 186.4 185.9 +0.5 -
26. Zangief 184.9 185.3 -0.4 +2
27. Dee Jay 184.7 185.8 -1.1 -1
27. Guy 184.7 185.4 -0.7 -
29. Makoto 183.1 184.1 -1.0 +1
30. Gouken 183.0 183.0 - +2
31. Cody 182.5 184.2 -1.7 -2
32. E. Honda 182.8 182.6 +0.2 +1
33. Dhalsim 181.9 181.3 +0.6 -1
34. Yang 181.4 183.1 -1.7 -3
35. Dudley 180.2 180.1 +0.1 +1
36. El Fuerte 180.0 181.0 -1.0 +1
37. Hakan 178.7 179.8 -1.1 -
38. T. Hawk 171.9 171.5 +0.4 -
39. Dan 160.4 161.4 -1.0 -

Comments

ThaBigDaddyCMaster said on February 1, 2014 at 2:14 p.m.

So Cammy has surpassed Akuma ever so slightly... interesting.

#1
dfsa90 said on February 1, 2014 at 2:15 p.m.

Oni mid tier

Dudley still low tier?

#2
DemonCurse said on February 1, 2014 at 2:20 p.m.

Can't seem to save my votes. Amazing how Akuma who can vortex for free, hits like a truck, has an overhead, dive kick, fireball, 3 frame dp with invisibility, teleport, solid normals, and fast walk speed, is some how worse than a character who's only pressure is either dive kick or cross up lk and loses to down back all day.

#3
Kinimaster said on February 1, 2014 at 2:23 p.m.

Abel is in no way better than Zangief.

Just my two cents

#4
kaka said on February 1, 2014 at 2:25 p.m.
#5
nitrocan said on February 1, 2014 at 2:32 p.m.

Better? How's Oni the WORST character in the game?

#6
kaka said on February 1, 2014 at 2:33 p.m.

ya, that's probably the only exception. everything else is about right

#7
Deen said on February 1, 2014 at 2:39 p.m.

Oni lower than Dan... Yes that image just flew out the window smh.
Good job EH, tier list looking good

#8
knnth192o said on February 1, 2014 at 2:43 p.m.

loses to down back all day > good cammy players don't let people do that, and i think cammy hits even harder than akuma. just my 2cents. * oh, akuma's normals are mediocre, not even solid.

#9
VolcanicAkuma55 said on February 1, 2014 at 2:45 p.m.

so hes got invisibility eh? 4 years and i...didnt see that.
I'll b here all week folks. btw as for hitting like a truck, cammy says hello

#10
Lilith said on February 1, 2014 at 2:52 p.m.

Tier list of the most hated characters - SSF4 AE v2012.

#11
caruga said on February 1, 2014 at 2:59 p.m.

If by that you mean meaningless, yeah.

#12
HooliganComboFTW said on February 1, 2014 at 3:02 p.m.

Yeah...Cammy won't stay near the top if those changes stick. Seth especially lol. Akuma so far managed to dodge any critical nerfs so things are looking up for him so far.

#13
pants4ever said on February 1, 2014 at 3:12 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#14
Struggs said on February 1, 2014 at 3:14 p.m.

If by "about right" you mean there's some huge problems... I agree.

Honda 9th? Ibuki 17th? Sagat 17th?

That list is horrible and as people mentioned... Oni dead last is beyond ridiculous.

#15
Anon said on February 1, 2014 at 3:14 p.m.

Pretty solid list so far, other than a few stragglers that people have mentioned.

Good job, community (and EH!).

#16
Anon said on February 1, 2014 at 3:15 p.m.

Have you played any really good Yuns? There aren't too many in the US but Hsien Chang is on XBL pretty frequently.

Only after fighting a Yun on his caliber will you see why Yun is upper mid tier.

#17
hood_ninja said on February 1, 2014 at 3:16 p.m.

Why is Abel ranked 9th above Ibuki and Sakura? That list is garbage.

#18
pants4ever said on February 1, 2014 at 3:17 p.m.

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#19
VolcanicAkuma55 said on February 1, 2014 at 3:18 p.m.

Anon same could be said for akuma. i know a few online who r good, but most of the akumas i run into suck. plus theres no one in the U.S. who comes close to infiltration, tokido, eita, etc. that was to ur #17

#20
konachin said on February 1, 2014 at 3:22 p.m.

haha better list, so many stupid stuff on this list.
please, explain me how yang beat akuma 6-4.

#21
pants4ever said on February 1, 2014 at 3:26 p.m.

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#22
Captainbuttocks said on February 1, 2014 at 3:27 p.m.

Akuma is the best character in the game. So hard to punish anything he does. His Ultras need to recover slower to properly punish if they do so much damage.

#23
jagz5586 said on February 1, 2014 at 3:30 p.m.

Not looking good fo my Main and Sub Yand and Makoto, Ultra needs to help my peps out

#24
IareBeStayDrunk said on February 1, 2014 at 3:41 p.m.

Ive seen Japanese players use yang as a counterpick against akuma. Remember pr rog hovering over yang and infiltration looking stressed for a sec at evo? I do.

#25
Rijot said on February 1, 2014 at 3:44 p.m.

There is so much weird stuff on this list. Makoto as 29th?! Bottom 10. I don't even...

#26
disp said on February 1, 2014 at 3:48 p.m.

Makes me feel better about playing Yang. Just today I beat a 4kpp Sakura, who got raging mad when I beat him. He said I was "abusing zoning" and called me a kid.

#27
courte said on February 1, 2014 at 3:55 p.m.

i guess i play nothing but trash

#28
Gamogo said on February 1, 2014 at 4 p.m.
#29
VolcanicAkuma55 said on February 1, 2014 at 4:01 p.m.

yang does beat akuma 6-4

#30
Lordvader178 said on February 1, 2014 at 4:02 p.m.

Dudley needs to be alot higher. Insane Damage, combo into Ultra off basically anything he has, crazy frame traps and some of the best pressure in the game, long range moves and a whole bunch of target combos make him at least top mid tier or something. He's like Gen. Everyone thought Gen was crap until he started winning. The character didn't change but the players thought he did because he was winning.

The same goes for Oni. No one thinks he's good, he starts winning, oh he's suddenly a good character!

That's the problem with tiers, it's not about how good the character is, it's basically how often they win and are used. I'm 100% sure this iteration of Cammy would be low tier if no one used her or took time to learn and win with her no matter how amazing she is.

#31
Dodoria said on February 1, 2014 at 4:12 p.m.

This tier list looks very accurate to me.

#32
maxi2099 said on February 1, 2014 at 4:18 p.m.

Funny how only people who does not play with Dudley think he's good.

#33
r0my5 said on February 1, 2014 at 4:19 p.m.

In these community made tier lists Chun is always rated mid tier or higher. I guess that's why her buffs for ultra got reverted. On the other hand good players always rate her one of the worst characters in the game and IIRC she's the least succesful character in tournaments after Dan.

#34
Enter4none said on February 1, 2014 at 4:20 p.m.

For a horrifying moment I thought this was a post confirming Decapree as the 5th Ultra SFIV character.

#35
chubbyfingerz said on February 1, 2014 at 4:26 p.m.

That Makoto and that Hakan are laughable

#36
Remondo02 said on February 1, 2014 at 4:31 p.m.

This list is totally messed up.
The best part : Oni worst character in the game...

To be honest One should be alongside Ruy in the tier list and above E.Ryu if you ask me.

#37
Sol_Goodguy said on February 1, 2014 at 4:38 p.m.

I disagree whole heartedly with this list, but I can respect it. Definitely think jwongs list is the best imo

#38
capra said on February 1, 2014 at 4:41 p.m.

well it's not terrible, i've always felt seth is a little overrated and fei was number 3. i'd definitely move makoto and zangief up. other then that everyone seems to be within 2 places of where I would put them.

#39
Gotomaster said on February 1, 2014 at 4:44 p.m.

That's a terrible list. Makoto, E. Honda, Abel, Ken, and Vega have no business being as high as they are, don't get me started on Oni being the worst char, according to the list.

#40
Tryken said on February 1, 2014 at 4:50 p.m.

Yang got punished for the sins of his brother in the original AE. Everyone was so caught up on the twins (mostly because of Yun) that Yang got a nerf-beating he didn't deserve.

But it's alright. USFIV is on it's way, and everything's coming up Millhouse--er, Yang!

#41
bigjbilly said on February 1, 2014 at 5:01 p.m.

Ryu should be higher up than that. Makoto should be higher. Sagat should lower. Other than that, pretty good.

#42
skitz0phrenic said on February 1, 2014 at 5:13 p.m.

The fact that Dan is on the bottom by a large margin shows how pointless public polls can be on things like this. Clearly a lot of people don't know the character.

#43
mushdog said on February 1, 2014 at 5:14 p.m.

Wow, cody's 31 out of 38?? How is that possible?

#44
Hyoton said on February 1, 2014 at 5:18 p.m.

How is Sakura not top 10? She's rated way too low here. Other than that, I think the list is fine. Also it's no surprise Ryu is rated so high on a public poll...

#45
konachin said on February 1, 2014 at 6:22 p.m.

lol no, sorry, this is not 2011 ae.
any char that could beat akuma 6-4 would be played way more than yang.
and akuma probably doesnt have any match up worse than 5-5, not even yun or cammy, it's ridiculous to say yang would have such advantage against him.
but you probably play akuma, right?

#46
Dante85 said on February 1, 2014 at 6:31 p.m.

ah really?
m bison score better than ryu and gen? yeah i see m bison players winning majors all around the world.............................

#47
beast_gief said on February 1, 2014 at 6:33 p.m.

Sad that Capcom has decided to butcher Zangief.

:(

#48
IMainDanHibiki said on February 1, 2014 at 6:40 p.m.

For the record, VolcanicAkuma is one of the best Akuma players I've ever played against. I think he knows what he's talking about.

#49
InternetHandle said on February 1, 2014 at 6:58 p.m.

lol Guile better than Sakura. Makoto is 29th? Dan isnt even close to the worst character in the game. This list...

#50
LegendaryAura said on February 1, 2014 at 7:07 p.m.

Good list so far but I agree, makoto shouldn't be that low.

#51
OhYouDontSayThat said on February 1, 2014 at 7:24 p.m.

Abel noooo!

#52
Mr2Good said on February 1, 2014 at 7:37 p.m.

Maybe because Oni is an average to above average character and Dudley is still a horrible character no matter how many smug vids you see.

And why are people still sleeping on Hakan?

#53
bananainsaneface said on February 1, 2014 at 7:40 p.m.

Since when are Ryu players winning majors?

#54
bagel_bytez said on February 1, 2014 at 8:27 p.m.

Holding down bottom 5 like a boss. Dhalsim is a champ

#55
petruslovesfiona said on February 1, 2014 at 8:47 p.m.

It's funny that all of my main (Hakan, T.Hawk, El Fuerte, and Dan) are in the bottom 4.

#56
Remondo02 said on February 1, 2014 at 8:53 p.m.

The top 8 is really good to me.

After that I will say that Sakura should be higher, M.Bison lower, Guile lower too, Oni higher, Vega lower, Deejay lower, Yang and Dudley higher.

A lot of stuff that I disagree, but it's not completely messed up and I can understand why this character is that high or that low on this list.

#57
Lockm said on February 1, 2014 at 9:14 p.m.

Cody isn't top tier but no way he is that low, people probably all feel they have a slight advantage over Cody because he he doesn't have one thing that really jumps out that is scary, even his frametraps are not that scary as opposed to someone like Cammy. I don't think people give him enough credit as far as how solid Cody overall is. But yeeh he is one of the most honest characters in SSFIV though he throws rocks, dirt, knifes and uses pipes and wrenches lol. A solid mid tier, i was a bit surprised by this. However he'll only drop further in Ultra...lol

#58
Anon said on February 1, 2014 at 10:54 p.m.

8th is upper mid tier, no?

#59
Santaclaus said on February 1, 2014 at 11:13 p.m.

I think makoto and Sakura should be higher but otherwise I think this is a pretty solid list.

Also I think Akuma and cam my should switch places

#60
CrowBite said on February 1, 2014 at 11:42 p.m.

I prefer the eventhubs tier list more. The one you gave is bad as those numbers are only taken from a small group of players. The one on eventhubs is made by a larger player base, though most of us are not tournament players.

#61
AugustAPC said on February 2, 2014 at 12:19 a.m.

I definitely don't think Cammy is better than Akuma, certainly not S tier. I'd put her at the same level as Fei Long.

#62
sarou said on February 2, 2014 at 1:04 a.m.

I hope everyone understands now why one shouldn't listen to the community when balancing one's games.

#63
noob_blasta said on February 2, 2014 at 1:19 a.m.

The list looks pretty good and IMO is about right for people of average / good skill. For example, most people that use hakan and makoto aren't great until you get to really high level play then it's a different thing altogether.

#64
Eden said on February 2, 2014 at 2:11 a.m.

I can't take seriously a list where Makoto is 29th...

#65
caruga said on February 2, 2014 at 2:43 a.m.

Eventhubs should also do a 'top-level players only' poll and then juxtapose it with the community poll.

#66
Falbala said on February 2, 2014 at 3:33 a.m.

ryu 14th... ahahah

#67
Enedred said on February 2, 2014 at 3:34 a.m.

I think Dudley is probably the most player-dependent character of the game. He has a tool for virtually everything, but none of them is easy to use. So, since this is "muh vortex" edition, only few people applies with him and he his automatically underrated. Things seem are going to change in Ultra, lol

#68
kevinkolkje said on February 2, 2014 at 4:17 a.m.

why is guy so high on the list?

#69
deus said on February 2, 2014 at 4:23 a.m.

You make a good point. Getting Cammy to C rank took a long time since everyone online (in my region) plays Dictator n Boxer. Blanka wasn't much of a problem though but Dictator n Boxer were so hard to beat. imo Seth n Akuma are stronger than Cammy. But Cammy is OP.

#70
Lockm said on February 2, 2014 at 5:27 a.m.

He is not, he is low?

#71
Altazon said on February 2, 2014 at 5:32 a.m.

this list seems very off in some chars... how the hell vega and chun are better than CODY, MAKOTO or even guy¿?¿?vega and chun are garbage and i hate vega but even i recognize he is bottom 5 easily.

juri is too low too, and seth being number 3 is dumb as f**k

#72
Toxy said on February 2, 2014 at 5:58 a.m.

Makoto so low

#73
VolcanicAkuma55 said on February 2, 2014 at 6:37 a.m.

take a look at the srk tier list. its 6-4 yang. i play FNEX Shiine, a damn good yang, and i believe that now. the frame traps r godlike, and once he gets u in the corner, he can chip away with c.mk into rekka. so basically uv got to get lucky with a dp cuz yang can beat all ur other options. plus the damage yang can dish out, while small, adds up HELLA FAST. hell, go look up akuma-yang matches on utube. most of them r from japan and have yang winning rather convincingly. yun and yang are still 6-4 against akuma

#74
Splack said on February 2, 2014 at 6:59 a.m.

Vega and chun li have very good footies and buttons. They have flaws and lack reliable reversals but dont downplay their strengths. Slight changes to them and they could be godlike. Cody makoto and guy...I love those characters but they not made for sf4. I main guy lol. They are characters that simply reflect the skill of the player. Theres not much to hide behind. They have a lot of tools tho.

#75
KaraTheke said on February 2, 2014 at 8:06 a.m.

Looks more like a " I hate this character and I have no idea on how to fight him, therefore he must be high up" list than a tier list.

#76
Brillz said on February 2, 2014 at 9:03 a.m.

Deejay over makoto? ok

#77
Smorgasboard said on February 2, 2014 at 9:29 a.m.

I think people are overreacting to vortexes. It is true that if you don't know the vortex then you are pretty much dead but if you do know how to counter it, then it only makes things more random. The neutral game is still more important because statistically, that's still takes up most of the round.

If you can control the neutral then the vortex will be less of an issue. Although, it's also important to have damage or else you are giving your opponents too much chances.

In essence, good neutral game + good damage = top tier.

#78
Padplayer22 said on February 2, 2014 at 10:36 a.m.

Balrog is too low, no way hes lower than ryu

#79
DontTaseMeBro said on February 2, 2014 at 10:51 a.m.

Seth is NO where even being top tier, he has ALOT of bad matchups, people forget he is a glass cannon, all he has to do is guess wrong a few times and hes screwed.

Trust me, I know, I been maining Seth (and T Hawk) since Super SFIV came out.

#80
Sage_Liebert said on February 2, 2014 at 12:42 p.m.

Cody should be around 25

-easy combos for big damage
-frame traps
-reliable ant-airs when standing (B+MP and QCF+HK ruffian kick)
-good distance on overhead
-easy armor break with distance with QCF+MK ruffian kick
-Great normals

Now in ultra I believe Coy will move into top 15. If they keep his changes all his weaknesses will be fixed except for wake up options.

#81
Maryokutai said on February 2, 2014 at 1:30 p.m.

Looks like it, yes. Cammy is very good, but there's no way she's the best character in the game. She blows up characters with bad wakeup pretty hard, but if you can out-footsie her or are generally very patient with your defense she's not that dominating. Akuma or Fei-Long on the other hand have the tools to dominate almost every match in the game.

#82
TLGyunlee said on February 3, 2014 at 2:33 a.m.

The whole twins vs akuma thing is hard for some people to understand because akuma has a strong vortex. But toe to toe, its much harder to zone the twins out so if you cant get a knock down, akuma just takes free damage and both the twins have good fire ball and teleport punishes.especially yang who can dp air fireballs for free and ultra two as well. With akumas low health, one good read could lead to 40-60 percent health and thats with out getting in using meter. Yang also has a teleport to help escape vortex though not great but far better option then sone other characters who have to guess 50/50. Yun wake is pretty much dp but if the akuma player doesnt do a safe jump,can be dp into genei-jin and probably die off of one combo or ex dp, lung punch into yuns wake up game which is also 50/50 leading into a dead akuma.just my opinion as a akuma yang and yun player all in one.

#83
deteknician said on February 3, 2014 at 7:41 a.m.

Yo Guile higher tier than Sakura who doesn't really have bad matchups, MAYBE Gief. This list is garbage! gtfo

#84
deteknician said on February 3, 2014 at 7:50 a.m.

Chun-Li and Dee Jay higher than Makoto. Please delete this list, this is a joke.

#85
Dark_Obliske said on February 3, 2014 at 8 a.m.

that list looks terrible lol

#86
Raven said on February 3, 2014 at 4:30 p.m.

Lol, I agree that no way in **** is Dee Jay higher than Makoto (who is capable of winning a major). Haha, no way DJ will be winning anytime soon.

Chun was gawdlike in Super, then she got nerfed. Crappy reversal in general. Any character with a strong mix-up/vortex game will give her a very hard time.

#87
CrapcomKeepsTheJaggaManDown said on February 3, 2014 at 4:45 p.m.

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#88
CrapcomKeepsTheJaggaManDown said on February 3, 2014 at 4:56 p.m.

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#89
Gladspencer said on February 10, 2014 at 10:35 a.m.

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#90
My25CentsUp said on February 15, 2014 at 7:25 a.m.

39 characters but half of them aren't worth playing.

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