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Street Fighter 5: Ryu's fireballs gain 1 extra hit for every 'Denjin mode' activation, on-hit & on-block cr.HK animations are different
Posted by Cheng Kai 'KarbyP' Sim • December 21, 2014 at 2:57 p.m. PST
The entire Ryu breakdown video weighs in at about 50 minutes long, which was a length that I initially rolled my eyes at.
But now that I've actually watched it, I am really glad that it was this long. It was such a complete joy to watch, and there were so many details that I did not notice, that I will go out on a limb and say that this is probably the best Street Fighter 5 in-depth analysis video out there on the Internet. It's certainly the best one I've seen.
For starters, did you notice that the animations for a number of Ryu's moves -- such as standing HK and crouching HK -- are actually different on-hit and on-block? Check out the cr.HK animations below, running at 50% speed.
Click images for animated versions
From Joe Ciaramelii's analysis video we learned that Ryu's regular fireballs can do up to four hits. When I saw that, I had thought that perhaps Ryu's HP fireball starts out at four hits and dissipates as it travels across the screen, losing hits the further it goes along.
As it turns out, that's not really the case here. VesperArcade's in-depth analysis have proven that the multi-hit fireballs are a result of the "Denjin mode" or powered-up state activation.
All that and more in VesperArcade's in-depth analysis; check it out below.
Too long; didn't watch?
Here's a quick summary of a couple points of interest mentioned in the VesperArcade video.
Previously we learned that Ryu's powered-up state goes away the moment he gets hit, as opposed to Chun-Li's which stays on until she gets knocked down.
But as it turns out, that wasn't the only deactivation criteria -- Ryu loses the state the moment he throws out a fireball, which guard crushes on the last hit.
There is also evidence to support that during Ryu's powered-up state, he cannot block. Or at least, during the match that Mike Ross and Combofiend played, we have never once witnessed Ryu blocking while in the powered-up state.
Another key detail that many have noticed is that certain moves, on counter-hit, will cause their opponent to go into a "spinning" animation. Looking through all of the available footage, VesperArcade theorizes that the spinning counter-hit state can only be caused by heavy normals.
With regards to Ryu's normal attacks, although a great deal of detail is covered in the analysis video, the most interesting bit is that it looks like the developers at Capcom have switched Ryu's standing MP and HP move animations around, changing it from past games.
Are there any other details from VesperArcade's analysis that you've found to be particularly interesting? Let everyone know in the comments section below.
Video from VesperArcade. Tip from Jonny2005uk and an anonymous tipster.
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Comments
Ojidan_Boy
said
on December 21, 2014 at 3:10 p.m.
It seems that when a specific normal counter hits it will either make the opponent spin or launch them in the air. Although this makes hit confirming easier, I think it's really innovative and could lead to some pretty hype follow throughs.
For instance, you counter hit Chun li which sends her spinning, then activate power-up mode and do a really damaging combo while she's still in hit stun from the counter hit..
Gamogo
said
on December 21, 2014 at 3:13 p.m.
These alternate on-hit/on-block animations are certainly something new for the SF series. I'm curious if they offer any new kind of strategic value other than simply being an aesthetic detail.
Time will tell I guess. I'm really liking the sound of these extended visual cues for counter-hits also. This is something I always felt SFIV could have benefited from - i.e. larger 'counter-hit' text blocks combined with a subtle audible tone for when a counter-hit is scored. SF5's dev team seems to be considering little details like this which is pleasing.
AugustAPC
said
on December 21, 2014 at 3:59 p.m.
Great video. I really like his attention the the nuances and details that would normally be overlooked.
This is kinda why I'm a little worried about SF:V, though. I have no doubt it's going to be an excellent and technically polished fighter, but I feel like if it's light on face-value content, things all players can appreciate immediately, it might not be able to compete as well against other big name fighters when it comes to sales, especially when it due to its exclusivity.
I hope this game has a similar impact on the genre that SF:IV did at its release.
strider_hiryu973
said
on December 21, 2014 at 4:28 p.m.
is not JUMP HK is JUMP 8 or 9 +HK look first gameplay trailer at the beginning ryu do a JMP HK!
lh
said
on December 21, 2014 at 4:48 p.m.
Chun-Li's anti-air-back-flip-kick seems to launch a grounded Ryu into the air (seen in the trailer), and Ryu's crouching hard punch uppercut seems to launch a grounded Chun-Li at some point (not to be confused with his new looking EX dragon uppercut), so i guess we have launchers now.
Special moves seem to juggle a grounded opponent to allow a normal to hit once afterwards.
And the game seems to be more offense based, so if you get KOed with a revenge attack while in the corner, the game assumes you were being a mega turtle, and punishes you with a special humiliating ending (noodles bowl falling on head) and punishes you again by keeping that bowl during the following round!!
I think starting the next round from the same side you were at when the previous round finished is a great idea.
Combo-ing into a revenge attack by cancelling from a normal is over-powered, since revenge attacks at full or near full bar can do so much damage. In SFIV you need to juggle an airborne opponent or FADC (requiring meter) a grounded opponent first. Unless SFV revenge attacks don't do as much damage as SFIV ultra attacks, but instead do as much damage as SFIV super attacks.
RebornOdin
said
on December 21, 2014 at 7:03 p.m.
If you look, the jumping HK looks right, but the animation and hitbox itself is off.
I'm pretty sure they just messed up the orientation of the animation because if you look at it, it looks like a regular HK, just angled the wrong way.
learis1
said
on December 21, 2014 at 7:54 p.m.
I'm calling Ryu out as overpowered. His instinct mode permanently grants him another hit to his fireball. So basically after using it once, it's like he has ex fireballs for the rest of the match and can blast through single hit fireballs. If other characters who rely on fireball zoning don't get the same power up, they're going to severly lose the fireball war.
ADB999666333
said
on December 21, 2014 at 7:57 p.m.
I'm pretty sure every blocked heavy in SF4 is punishable too (can't think off the top of my head if there are any that aren't though)
God_Demon
said
on December 21, 2014 at 8 p.m.
You have no idea how this game plays, you've never played it, no official news or explanations of mechanics have been released, yet you're already saying a character is OP based on assumptions?
learis1
said
on December 21, 2014 at 8:39 p.m.
Ummm, yea? It's just a hypothetical discussion based on what we've seen. I thought that was a given. Or do I need to explicitly let you know so that your brain doesn't explode.
6ixx
said
on December 21, 2014 at 8:48 p.m.
They all provided information. Some more than others. I don't see you pushing videos and trying to add something
