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Crouching Elena, hidden hurtboxes? Dan's jump HP, MK, HK and LK Dankukyaku completely whiff on Elena when crouched in Ultra Street Fighter 4

Posted by Cheng Kai 'KarbyP' Sim • August 20, 2014 at 10:54 a.m. PDT

Update: We've also added a video demonstrating that Dan's LK Dankukyaku can whiff on Elena in the neutral standing position, when performed from the right distances.

Earlier: One of Elena's character traits is that her hurtboxes are a little on the odd side of things, making it fairly difficult for certain moves or combos to connect.

This was something that's been a part of her ever since Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike, in which her hurtboxes would actually move as Elena shifts her legs back and forth while in her neutral standing animation.

In Ultra Street Fighter 4, this character trait manifests itself as smaller hurtboxes when Elena is in the crouching state. This can be fairly annoying, as it means that certain bread and butter combos would not work on the African breakdancer. But otherwise, the vs. Elena match-up should not be too much of a problem for your character to deal with.

Unless, of course, your character of choice is Dan, as the video below from MyAwesomeAfro demonstrates.

Dan's jumping HP, MK and HK attacks, as well as his LK Dankukyaku special move completely whiff on Elena when she's in the crouching state. Furthermore, jump MP only connects from certain angles, and the first hit of MK and HK Dankukyaku whiffs as well.

Dan's LK Dankukyaku can whiff on Elena when she's in the neutral standing position, too, if performed at point blank range. Note that the move will actually hit if Dan is not right next to Elena.

It is unclear at the moment if this is an oversight on Capcom's part, or if the moves were intended to whiff on Elena for balance or other reasons. Whichever the case, MyAwesomeAfro's discovery is certainly an interesting one -- and a piece of knowledge you could use to your advantage in the game.

Videos from MyAwesomeAfro and TheLowestOfTiers. Sent in by sarif2soon.

Comments

smashingme said on August 20, 2014 at 10:58 a.m.

How is this character not banned from tournaments?

#1
MRN_SirFoxington said on August 20, 2014 at 11:04 a.m.

Literally all moves from 100% of the cast are whiffing on Elena.

#2
GammaChemical said on August 20, 2014 at 11:07 a.m.

Why do you think Jwong and Chris G picks her? They like her invincibility.

#3
bobalu2 said on August 20, 2014 at 11:09 a.m.

Because Rufus and Sakura aren't shamelessly cheese enough......
Seriously I hate EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE NEW CHARS! Untested garbage apparently only japan wanted.

#4
MyKiLL said on August 20, 2014 at 11:11 a.m.

And everyone begins blowing this out of proportion in 3... 2... 1...

#5
blzd said on August 20, 2014 at 11:15 a.m.

omg how will all the tournament Dan players be able to beat Elena? o wait

#6
ibukkeke said on August 20, 2014 at 11:16 a.m.

all the new usf4 characters have wierd hurtboxes.

#7
BlackOnyxThunder said on August 20, 2014 at 11:16 a.m.

Well, that's not fair.

#8
GammaChemical said on August 20, 2014 at 11:18 a.m.

Yeah the new characters feels very unpolished to their sfxt version. Looks like Capcom had trouble with the copy n paste.

#9
EXCh33ky said on August 20, 2014 at 11:23 a.m.

Either fix this character or remove her completely. She can completely crouch boxers dash straight...unacceptable what this unfinished character is getting away with

#10
sarif2soon said on August 20, 2014 at 11:25 a.m.

Hugo and Poison can tap down to avoid lows, Elena just holds down to avoid everything.
Yo, who gave them back their parries?

#11
DriveCancelled said on August 20, 2014 at 11:26 a.m.

The only new char that plays by SFIV rules is Rolento, he doesn't seem to have anything busted.

#12
Eye_of_Orochi said on August 20, 2014 at 11:30 a.m.

Just add it to the list Capcom

#13
TheLaw said on August 20, 2014 at 11:32 a.m.

The puns!... I can't take it! xD

#14
sarif2soon said on August 20, 2014 at 11:34 a.m.

From Kappa user /u/TheLowestOfTiers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-lh4y...

GG everyone. I'm gonna go lie down.

#15
SpiderUppercut said on August 20, 2014 at 11:34 a.m.

Elena with that anti Noel Brown tech.

I guess that's 37 now Fox. :(

Just remember this kids. Capcom made the arcade version in Japan pay the equivalent of 2 dollars a game for a beta test trying to be smartasses. I guess it didn't go down too well. :)

#16
MyKiLL said on August 20, 2014 at 11:35 a.m.

Or you can just sit back and mash crouching jab. She literally can't deal with that. Elena capitalizes on Boxer's mistakes, but she loses to random sh*t that's thrown out whenever. Her overheads aren't threatening considering she has to consistently land awkward 1f and 2f links.

#17
IMainDanHibiki said on August 20, 2014 at 11:37 a.m.

This seriously makes me upset.

#18
JFord78 said on August 20, 2014 at 11:44 a.m.

That MC Hammer/Elena banner is hilarious.

#19
AlexTwo said on August 20, 2014 at 11:47 a.m.

This is why anyone from 3S other than Elena would have been such a better choice. Give me Urien or give me death!

#20
eyekantspele said on August 20, 2014 at 11:49 a.m.

oh no... cause the Dan players will never win Evo now...

#21
Eye_of_Orochi said on August 20, 2014 at 11:51 a.m.

The thing that annoys me almost as badly as dealing with these mistakes is that SF teams will have to keep working on this game just to fix it instead of moving on to something new. I'm enjoying Ultra but the rate of bugs being found is a little too high for comfort.

Just goes to show, it can't just be copy/paste when it comes to characters between games. Maybe that is what Capcom tried to do here, and they screwed up. Thing is, we know the fixes will come so I guess patience is needed once again for Capcom to MAYBE get it almost right this time. Again, with the rate of glitches being discovered that seems highly unlikely though.

#22
Green016 said on August 20, 2014 at 11:55 a.m.

From day one of Ultra Elena felt completely screwed up and incomplete. Couple that with online lag and she's just retarded to play against. I'd rather they just remove her and put a better character in her place lol.

#23
mario3d said on August 20, 2014 at noon

Waiter, a new patch please...

#24
SAMURAI said on August 20, 2014 at 12:04 p.m.

Pretty sure this is intentional, it's her strength.

#25
superpan619 said on August 20, 2014 at 12:05 p.m.

Because weird hurboxes are unheard of in SFIV, besides, Elena would be Bottom-tier without them.

#26
Kudarane said on August 20, 2014 at 12:11 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#27
urien said on August 20, 2014 at 12:13 p.m.

never ever say that.
urien should never be there when charge partitioning is not there.

#28
anthonygamer said on August 20, 2014 at 12:13 p.m.

Love how people want all of their basic combos to work on every single character instead of learning the da*m matchup.

I bet 90% of the cry babies here don't even fight Elena players. Better yet, they just went to training mode and tried their best to find something to complain about.

Take this video for instance. What type of idiotic elena player would just crouch on a jump in(LMAO)? Better yet, which one wouldn't press anything when you're at point blank range?

If your weak BnB's don't work, do something else.

#29
sarif2soon said on August 20, 2014 at 12:18 p.m.

I posted a link here showing that Dankukyaku completely whiffs on Elena when she's STANDING. Forget situational whiffing, the move doesn't connect AT ALL.

#30
Akua said on August 20, 2014 at 12:20 p.m.

As a huge Urien fan, I don't like this mentality. He doesn't have to play exactly how he did in 3rd Strike. I think a lot of the 3rd strike characters in this version play differently than their 3rd strike counterpart.

#31
IMainDanHibiki said on August 20, 2014 at 12:21 p.m.

I also tested Ken, Bison, Elena herself, Dudders, Dee Jay, Hugo, Cody, Guy, Ryu, Gouken, Akuma, Gief, and Hawk.

All of them except Hugo have at least one move that is important in their air-to-ground arsenal totally whiff.

This character, man... Fix 'er.

#32
GothLawyer said on August 20, 2014 at 12:27 p.m.

It doesn't really seem like a glitch or unintentional or anything, this is just one of her strengths.

#33
Dracos_Wrath said on August 20, 2014 at 12:29 p.m.

Oh, here we go again. "These aren't glitches/bugs yo, just beautiful gameplay features. ADAPT!".

If Capcom said that a fix for all the hitbox problems is in the works, then that means there was indeed something wrong with the hitboxes (logic says you can only fix something that's broken, otherwise it doesn't need any fixing).

#34
Dracos_Wrath said on August 20, 2014 at 12:31 p.m.

And Poison.

#35
chowdizzle said on August 20, 2014 at 12:32 p.m.

I get all the ladies when I stand in my "Courching State"

#36
Dracos_Wrath said on August 20, 2014 at 12:37 p.m.

"It is unclear at the moment if this is an oversight on Capcom's part, or if the moves were intended to whiff on Elena for balance or other reasons."

WHAT?

#37
jme said on August 20, 2014 at 12:40 p.m.

The fack is a Courching state?

#38
Dogs4Dinner said on August 20, 2014 at 12:42 p.m.

I used Rising Jaguar on an Elena once as an anti-air and it completely went though her.

#39
IMainDanHibiki said on August 20, 2014 at 12:43 p.m.

Yep, confirmed with her too.

#40
Stitchking said on August 20, 2014 at 12:43 p.m.

how does a technical error make a character a bad choice?

#41
Dbus_CO said on August 20, 2014 at 12:49 p.m.

You wont get true results unless the dummy is set to record block instead of full/auto block, and knee can hit Elena from max distance occasionally and fuzzy setups.

But yeah, otherwise this match up is garbage and further invalidates Dan on the roster.

#42
HarryCodder said on August 20, 2014 at 12:53 p.m.

Hold down back to dodge.

#43
urien said on August 20, 2014 at 12:54 p.m.

and i love how you don't have a clue on what you're talking about.
Match ups is something completely different from combo linking.
That's why a lot of people wanted a universal hit box/hurt box.
its not if my evil Ryu combo against Rufus doesn't work on others that i should not complain about it.
As you can see from others ,it is a problem when most of cast can't deal damage on her because of messy programming.
And i strongly believe heavy execution players like Sako understood very early this "advantage" and played her at EVO.

#44
urien said on August 20, 2014 at 12:59 p.m.

Oh no ! he should play exactly like he was !
Urien is one of the few characters that should never changed,his style is so unique (charge partitioning,unblock able,Aegis...).
I mean look at Makoto ,they changed her to fit her 3s iteration.
I mean look objectively ,why would we want a character that was changed completely?what's the point?

#45
Akua said on August 20, 2014 at 1:08 p.m.

I didn't say completely. I love Aegis combos (though used more as a mix up tool instead of an unblockable). Makoto is still not exactly as she was in 3rd strike. Just because he would be added and different in 4 does not mean the 3rd Strike version of him will be removed, it will just be different.

#46
Kaxner said on August 20, 2014 at 1:09 p.m.

I think we can all agree capcom did not do a good job with Elena. She felt weird and incomplete since day 1.

#47
urien said on August 20, 2014 at 1:15 p.m.

Ah ! Ok
i agree with that

#48
Captainbuttocks said on August 20, 2014 at 1:16 p.m.

You wouldn't be able to play similar due to the bars themselves. Can only super maybe once per match right now. No Aegis mixups, unless he builds bar like a beast.

#49
RedRapperSux said on August 20, 2014 at 1:34 p.m.

The most buggy iteration of SF4 yet. This is why I dropped the game for the time being.

#50
Noize said on August 20, 2014 at 1:42 p.m.

nice ..very nice ,first i found out that after poison's ex whip of love she misses u1 on some characters and now this,i hope the next patch is on the way

#51
Links said on August 20, 2014 at 1:44 p.m.

I just wonder what sort of internal quality control they had for Ultra, if any. There are tons of typos and questionable things in the character data, not to mention bugs like this one. Plus, you would think there would be some kind of testing regimen for all the new characters, like testing out a selection of combos on them. Get enough testers and you could test each new character against the whole cast. I understand it's not possible to test every single matchup in a timely fashion, but one thing that would have helped would have been looking at Elena's hurtboxes and pushboxes and making sure they roughly matched up with other characters' boxes.

#52
SamuraiGai said on August 20, 2014 at 1:45 p.m.

bad copy n paste CRAPcoin.

#53
put_Garuda_in_SFIV said on August 20, 2014 at 1:47 p.m.

Urien... if only u_u

#54
JRXP2011 said on August 20, 2014 at 1:53 p.m.

Combofiend pls. RESIGN NOW!!!

#55
Gurpwnder said on August 20, 2014 at 1:55 p.m.

Oh boy, not looking forward to this matchup in USF4.

#56
Gurpwnder said on August 20, 2014 at 2:01 p.m.

You could try and make Aegis a 2 bar move like Seth's Ex Tanden Engine.

#57
Dracos_Wrath said on August 20, 2014 at 2:11 p.m.

No no, I meant fix 'er (Elena), but also Poison. I can't stand getting simple things like st.HK, cr.MK with Rolento whiffing on her.

#58
AngryAssassin said on August 20, 2014 at 2:13 p.m.

It looks like this is the end of the classic, yet ever intense Dan/Elena match-up. I was really looking forward to the EVO '15 grandfinals (or any grandfinals, really).

#59
sergio_reyes_ said on August 20, 2014 at 2:13 p.m.

yes is you righ is true

#60
Xykes said on August 20, 2014 at 2:18 p.m.

Elena in SFxT doesn't have moves whiff this often on her.

Which means they didn't simply "copy and paste".

Which means that, at least to some extent, they WANTED her hurtboxes to be like this.

Not every damn combo and move is meant to work on every character in every situation. If you or anyone here played other games, you would know this is not that unusual.

The expression "character specific" was not invented by SF4.

#61
Xykes said on August 20, 2014 at 2:27 p.m.

You can't "have trouble with copy/paste".

If the USF4 versions feel different from their SFxT versions, then you guys are going to have to finally admit that USF4 involved more work than just "copy/paste".

You can't have it both ways...whining about Capcom laziness for copy/paste...then whining about how different the characters feel. That makes NO SENSE.

#62
KarbyP said on August 20, 2014 at 2:28 p.m.

Glad that you like it! XD

#63
IMainDanHibiki said on August 20, 2014 at 2:31 p.m.

I like how people are thinking this is a Dan Only problem by saying crap like 'Oh gee I guess we'll never see Dan in a Grand Finals now'.

Like, seriously.

#64
Q80Warlock said on August 20, 2014 at 2:31 p.m.

Hurtboxes in SFxT for every character were big enough to make every combo and block string work on them that was a design decision to make the combo system work. In SF4 thou all you get to see is wonky hurtboxes because the SF4 designers were lazy since vanilla not assigning semi-2D hurtboxes for every character some got them some don't and it's a total mess.

#65
KarbyP said on August 20, 2014 at 2:31 p.m.

Thanks sarif2soon. I'll update this story to include TheLowestOfTiers's video once I've tested for myself that LK Dankukyaku will indeed whiff even when Elena is standing.

#66
Links said on August 20, 2014 at 2:34 p.m.

I'm pretty sure hurtboxes work differently in SFXT, or else we wouldn't have all these issues.

However, just because older games have issues like this, that doesn't indemnify the developers of this update from making errors like this. I mean, a few of Dan's air normals just outright miss Elena, and his best pressure tool is useless in this matchup. That's obviously not intentional (or if it is, it goes against everything the PR has been saying, like "Most balanced Street Fighter ever!").

#67
Clamper said on August 20, 2014 at 2:36 p.m.

Fei's j.HK and HP also completely whiffs on crouching Rolento.

#68
Cammystrike said on August 20, 2014 at 2:48 p.m.

I can't take people complaining about a sub par character like Elena seriously. She's only good in the hands of people with not only great execution, but good fundamentals as well.

I consider her low profile being the trade off for her absurdly low stun. Face it, if you got beat by Elena it's more than likely your fault and not the game.

#69
ymbsnakeeye said on August 20, 2014 at 2:48 p.m.

Is her grab from crouching also messed up? I played a match with a friend and I could NOT tech his grabs from crouching... so frustrating.

#70
IareBeStayDrunk said on August 20, 2014 at 2:51 p.m.

Every Dan player knew this the first days of ultra. cuz... its every button against elena, jump in lk is the only button that works xD

While I was top 10 and bair was ranked 2 with elena, we played this match a lot. so bad. some weird crossups with hk dan kicks canceled from close crouch mk.

#71
NKA said on August 20, 2014 at 2:52 p.m.

I came here just to thank the person who makes those header picks

#72
Afropower said on August 20, 2014 at 3:07 p.m.

I come to the site, take a sip of coffee and the first thing I see is the Elena/Hammer banner. I almost spit coffee on my computer monitor instantly.

#73
solzan2000 said on August 20, 2014 at 3:11 p.m.

Blanka says "Hi". LK Dan knee sometimes wiffs on bison aswell, thing is they didn't adjust the hitbox for dan kick enough. That's the only character where I find this unfair as his kicks are his main tool, fix his hitboxes, the rest of the characters can just suck it up, you dealt with it with Blanka.

#74
sarif2soon said on August 20, 2014 at 3:14 p.m.

Always glad to help :)

#75
RandomSelectMaster said on August 20, 2014 at 3:35 p.m.

Dan is not suppose to win, so it's okay.

#76
ZaaawMBeh said on August 20, 2014 at 3:37 p.m.

Isn't Combofiend's job title Community Manager? This is his fault how?

Think before you Internet.

#77
FightDirty said on August 20, 2014 at 3:51 p.m.

^This. Elena is like a few other characters in the game. She can be annoying to play against with her weird hit/hurt boxes and playstyle, but she still has a lot of weakness. Of the five characters I use she is the lowest on the tier rankings by far - and trust me, she can be hit. It wouldn't hurt for Capcom to do a bit of tweaking, yet it's obvious that they gave her a low profile on purpose. If any of you guys ever played 3rd Strike then you'd have a clue.

#78
keebler said on August 20, 2014 at 4:36 p.m.

Tons of characters have combos or moves that whiff in certain matchups. Chun li, blanka, and juri initially come to mind. Elena just has more situations than most. She is a low profile character that is constantly moving even in neutral. But she also has the most floaty jump in the game.

The only true "glitches" would be the combos that crossup mid combo via pass through, and several characters need that fixed. There is nothing inherently wrong with her hurtbox unless they decide to listen to the whiners and make it bigger.

Just don't do moves or combos that whiff!! Reminds me of all the cammy players I watch fight juri and constantly go for cr.hp into cr.mk despite it whiffing, but they fail to practice any other damaging combo and they just autopilot via muscle memory and whiff repeatedly

#79
bagel_bytez said on August 20, 2014 at 4:50 p.m.

I don't think anything about this is "out of proportion". This may be the most retarded thing I've seen in any fighting game ever. PERIOD. And I'm not even one to usually complain (except in a half hearted joking manner)

#80
bagel_bytez said on August 20, 2014 at 4:54 p.m.

If you play against anyone where you can just sit back and hit crouching jab and win... Yo gotta find some stiffer competition

#81
bagel_bytez said on August 20, 2014 at 5:10 p.m.

Maybe it wasn't fun in 3rd strike having normal combos whiff and it still isn't fun now

#82
FightDirty said on August 20, 2014 at 6:05 p.m.

C'mon, 3S Elena isn't nearly as migraine inducing as 3S Yun or Chun. She's just a quirky character. Not as if she'll be wining any majors anytime soon.

I can only dream that they would bring 3S Chun-Li back. Gawd, she is so boss in that game. The salt would be real!

#83
SkllXMnky said on August 20, 2014 at 6:41 p.m.

There are still much better characters than Elena.

#84
Cyclops said on August 20, 2014 at 6:53 p.m.

You do know that Dan isn't the only character with this problem...right?

#85
unseenpotential01 said on August 20, 2014 at 7:03 p.m.

Certain characters have normals that whiff on juri, vega and honda as well. It's very annoying.

#86
Shozuhn said on August 20, 2014 at 7:41 p.m.

Let's face it... Elena is a terrible character in USF4. She gets terrible damage, nothing is safe on block, half her move-set will whiff on a crouch opponent, healing is never safe to do... yet everyone wants to complain and say Capcom should take away the only thing she really has going for her. -_- I say let the funny hurt-boxes stay.
IF they "fix" her hurt-boxes, she should receive mad buffs elsewhere in her game as a result.

#87
bagel_bytez said on August 20, 2014 at 7:44 p.m.

I don't gauge a character by 'will they win a major'. More like, do they fit the feel of the game? Are they fun to play with? Are they fun to play against? Do they have moves with properties I don't agree with? Are they buggy/glitchy? No one is sayin Elena is OP because of this. Just how stupid it is that everything you do whiffs for seemingly no reason. "Well she's just a low profile character" (not ur quote). Well if that's the case then she is a terrible design no matter what game she's in.

I learned from a young age playing Goldeneye multiplayer that having low profile characters (odd job) is complete bullshat. It was then and it still is now

#88
MyKiLL said on August 20, 2014 at 7:50 p.m.

Considering that everyone but Elena mains like myself are blind to her being one of the worst characters in the game, yeah, this is being blown out of proportion. Her hurtbox is not her biggest problem.

#89
Kijui said on August 20, 2014 at 7:55 p.m.

*cries* Its all true... whats even more disappointing is that you guys didn't know about this already. I've literally been talking about it since the first week. Also, cr. HPxxAny Danku does not work on Elena, neither does cl.HPxx LK/HK Danku. The second hit of mk Danku hits if you heavy cancel it, but it only works as a "block"string. If you use the HK version the second hit skims the top of her head and she gets a free throw after the third hit misses. Its a real issue, and fighting her is literally a matter of know how.

Interesting enough, as shown in the first video, Dan can cross up crouching elena with j mp. also if you do a far mp->far mk "block string" you can cross up Heavy kick on her as well. any Elena dumb enough to fall for that has is coming, but its not like she;s gonna give a damn anyway....

#SaikyoWeeps

#90
MyKiLL said on August 20, 2014 at 7:58 p.m.

Her only move that's plus on block is her cr.lp. Her hitboxes are garbage. Boxer's cr.lp is literally all he needs to take on Elena and not be predictable with his Dash Punches. He, as well as a lot of the cast are so linear that they can get away with keeping her out of neutral and forcing her to guess when to attack and when to block. Control how she uses Slide and you've basically got the match in the bag.

It's not rocket science, dude.

#91
bagel_bytez said on August 20, 2014 at 8:52 p.m.

I play dhalsim who is also widely considered bottum 5 of 44 characters. His hitboxes are fine and he's still bottum of the barrel : p. I realized I replied to 2 of ur comments. I'm not trying to single you out and I certainly don't want any beef. This is more about the game and the characters in it ( not just because it's Elena). I haven't had much of an issue with any of the aforementioned usf4 glitches as they are mostly very situational and rarely seen. This is just way too blatantly obvious and affects most characters in the cast, including Elena players themselves.

I guess this article could be dubbed 'the straw that broke the camels back'

#92
bagel_bytez said on August 20, 2014 at 8:58 p.m.

Well, sounds like I got my counter pick then :p thx for the advise.

This is EXACTLY why we needed the char vs char SPECIFIC forums to be booming and functional. I'm still sad that flopped

#93
TheLowestOfTiers said on August 20, 2014 at 9:54 p.m.

The more I watch MyAwesomeAfro's video (and thank you for making it!), the more angry I get LOL. I can't stop watching, from the sheer disbelief of it all. I knew I wasn't crazy when I witnessed this "ghost-tech" firsthand against an Elena player online yesterday, lol. Thank you MyAwesomeAfro and of course thank you sarif2soon for bringing this to light.

#DeleteElenaFromUSF4

#94
zetroc said on August 20, 2014 at 10:08 p.m.

I've main Dan since street fighter 4 and by far the ultra update has hurt him the most. Not to long ago was a article on here where one of the best Dan players stated this as well as how badly Dan was hurt with this update its not just Elena. His kicks misses decapre crouch when Dan does crouching fierce punch to kicks the punch will hit but the kicks can be blocked so have to do standing fierce punch close to kicks. Dan kicks up close on decapre misses when she's crouch or sometimes 2 hits will hit and the third will miss same goes for poison but with poison when you do crouch fierce to kicks and you are as close as possible after the punch hit she can block but if u take one little nudge step back then the crouch fierce punch to kicks will connect for 4 hit combo now with role to have the CPU crouch block all stand as close as possible Dan crouch medium kick to 3 kicks and Dan will land behind role to instead of in front of him. Its plenty of other bugs with Dan just have to play as him only online or offline for one full day and just be amazed at how much stuff that happens that's not suppose to

#95
UltraDecapre said on August 20, 2014 at 10:44 p.m.

Dan's hitboxes on Elena are here.

http://decapre.com/tagged/dan-elena-h...

#96
Tenchi_Sokaigen said on August 21, 2014 at 12:01 a.m.

Here is some other stuff that should hit, but doesn´t on crouching elena.

Dudleys forward fierce, (even when done meaty) Improved hitbox hmm capcpom?

Dudleys ex uppercut against crouchteching elena (even meaty, the whole ex uppercut just whiffs completly)

I sometimes even saw the light version of short swing blow whiffing, against her crouching.

Ex machine gun upper is usually a blockstring against opponents, not against crouching elena though.

And many other f#ckd up bullcr4p that i cant remember on top of my head now.

#97
ScalperK___ said on August 21, 2014 at 2:33 a.m.

This is so annoyingg..x-(

#98
IcyKnee said on August 21, 2014 at 4:58 a.m.

I think Capcom said at one point that they are aware of the hitbox/framerate issues with the new characters...it's just a matter of when they decide to fix them.

#99
Afterburn said on August 21, 2014 at 5:40 a.m.

As a Makoto main since 3S, as well as every SF4 iteration, this is just so incorrect it's not even funny.

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