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Can the world's top Rose player dismantle top-tier Yun? Luffy vs. Cuongster first-to-10 Ultra Street Fighter 4 exhibition match

Posted by Cheng Kai 'KarbyP' Sim • August 3, 2014 at 2:07 p.m. PDT

Thanks to his exploits at EVO 2014 and DreamHack Valencia, as well as this exclusive interview, we now know very convincingly that MD|Luffy isn't at all afraid of taking on even the best Sagat and Fei Long players in the world.

But what about Yun, the terror currently reigning in Ultra Street Fighter 4 with his top-tier status? Surely even the world's best Rose player would break a sweat against the best Yun players?

You can find out in this first-to-ten exhibition match between MD|Luffy and CDV|Cuongster in the video embedded below. There's also a lengthy interview with both players in the video -- but it's entirely in French.

The set begins at 40:33.

Video and image from Ken Bogard via Chigesoku.

Comments

BornFreeEH said on August 3, 2014 at 2:09 p.m.

Annnnnd, skip to the end.

#1
Kudarane said on August 3, 2014 at 2:12 p.m.

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#2
brandaman69 said on August 3, 2014 at 2:18 p.m.

Man Luffy got rocked hard. I can only imagine how hard Kazunoko would destroy him.

#3
asadmonkey said on August 3, 2014 at 2:20 p.m.

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#4
Noocta said on August 3, 2014 at 2:20 p.m.

I'm not he would do that much better. Coungster being a old school from the Europe scene probably has more experience against Rose than Kazunoko does.

#5
GammaChemical said on August 3, 2014 at 2:21 p.m.

Matchup Fighter 4

#6
FADCTAUNT said on August 3, 2014 at 2:21 p.m.

Yun is a high tier but he's not god tier.

#7
ProfessorLester said on August 3, 2014 at 2:27 p.m.

lol it is a bit long

#8
Kudarane said on August 3, 2014 at 2:28 p.m.

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asadmonkey said on August 3, 2014 at 2:30 p.m.

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#10
BornFreeEH said on August 3, 2014 at 2:31 p.m.

That's what she said.

#11
BornFreeEH said on August 3, 2014 at 2:36 p.m.

What is this sudden hate train for Luffy and Rose?

The guy won Evo.

HE. WON. EVO.

I don't remember anyone saying before Evo "you wait, there's gonna be some cheap ass European using a cheap GOD TIER Rose to beat nearly every single top pro Japanese player and the best Zangief in the world".

Yeah, I don't remember those complaints before Evo.

Truth is Luffy was quite frankly phenmenal. And he's been maining Rose for years now. He put in the work and it paid off. I didn't see any other Rose players in the top 8, did you?

#12
brandaman69 said on August 3, 2014 at 2:38 p.m.

Yeah but Kazunoko is a much better Yun player I think he would. Also Yun does not really have to deal with the fireball game so I don't think he would need that much matchup knowledge.

#13
brandaman69 said on August 3, 2014 at 2:40 p.m.

Dude nobody already plays Rose. In the entire world there are like 3 notable rose players. It has nothing to do with the ultra its simply that she is a boring character to watch and play.

#14
asadmonkey said on August 3, 2014 at 2:42 p.m.

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#15
put_Garuda_in_SFIV said on August 3, 2014 at 2:43 p.m.

You remind me of Detent from Yoga Flame's YT channel

#16
unrealboot1 said on August 3, 2014 at 2:44 p.m.

Considering luffy beat 10 top players including about 8 japanese players including mago, tokido, eita, fuudo, bonchan, momochi, misse,pugera, snake eyes, gackt and facing all different characters - I'd say Luffy is the best sf4 Evo champion ever. Evo champ Xian got bodied 10 nil by Daigo after he won Evo - so what you gonna say? Xian didn't come across 1 bad match up so he won Evo?

The salt is real

#17
neogeomaster said on August 3, 2014 at 2:46 p.m.

God tier Yun

#18
GammaChemical said on August 3, 2014 at 2:51 p.m.
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Louffy only won because she got an indirect buff when everyone got slightly nerfed. Thats why you see him win this EVO. Where was he in the past EVO? Yep..all about that matchup.

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asadmonkey said on August 3, 2014 at 2:53 p.m.

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#20
anthonygamer said on August 3, 2014 at 2:54 p.m.

Where was he in the past past evo? You can ask that same question about EVERYONE that lost the past evos. What a moron.

#21
put_Garuda_in_SFIV said on August 3, 2014 at 2:59 p.m.

Louffy is a great, great player. I think no one can deny that. BUT also he was really lucky in this year's EVO, by not having bad matchups during the tournament and for having such and easy one in the grand finals, not to mention the buffs on Rose and the nerfs on Sagat definitely played a role.

This kind of sets show his real skill and so would do tournaments like Topanga League. He's far from being the best

#22
BornFreeEH said on August 3, 2014 at 2:59 p.m.

Ok let's see.

Luffy actually started the ft10 set by winning 3-1. So in a tournament setting like Evo he would have won. Some players take longer to adapt and download their opponent, some are quicker. Luffy is great in that respect for the Evo format ft2 or ft3. Probably the most popular format across the globe.
Topanga is different, but he's not playing Topanga, and didn't train for Topanga.
Some players need longer sets, some need less. These are both skills.
Smug comes to mind. Check out how many top players he has blown up in ft5 exhibition matches.
Not sure we should all stop getting hype about Evo. That's like saying don't get hype for the World Cup or the Super Bowl. Why not? There has to be a premier tournament. Clearly in those tournaments you only get to play a certain percentage of the teams, some good match ups, some bad, depending on your style, strengths and weaknesses.

And as for USF4 being random nonsense, I can't possibly agree.
Do you really want one player to win every tournament? Like Tennis or something. Bit boring don't you think?
Besides the usual suspects make top 16 in nearly every tournament so it can't be totally random. Snake Eye's, Justin, Ryan Hart are just a few players who have won multiple tournaments this year. Hell, Luffy won his next tournament after Evo - Dream Hack Valencia.
If you want to talk about random look no further than UMVC3. But even that game has the same top players in the top 8 very consistently.

#23
Gotomaster said on August 3, 2014 at 3:01 p.m.

You are seriously one of the dumbest people on this site. First of all, if Rose is braindead easy, and has a win button, people would be using her in mass, because alot of players play to win.
Also, Luffy has had easily the hardest road to win Evo.

1. He came out of losers, every other Evo champ was in winners before.

2. He had to face the likes of Fuudo, Gackt, Bonchan, Pugera, Eita, Mago, Snake Eyes, Momochi to win Evo, this is perhaps the longest and toughest road an Evo camp in Sf4 has had to win it all.

As for different players winning a different tournment, lots has to do with it, none referring to random,

1. The game is fresh, and people still haven<t fully understood the game yet.

2. So many players are so good, unlike other fighting games in which you have a buttload of intermediates, and a handful of top tiers, Cough Marvel. Because the competition is so intense, I can think of atleast 30 names that could have won the whole of Evo, just because so many are good.

#24
GammaChemical said on August 3, 2014 at 3:02 p.m.

#22, Yep agree. All about those matchups.

#25
HarryCodder said on August 3, 2014 at 3:07 p.m.

In an alternative universe, a US player used Rose to win EVO 2014 and the comments are about how american players now body asian players...

Wonder why Xian didn't take so much crap when he won with Gen because he won for the exact same reasons : hugely underestimated character and lack of matchup knowledge from his opponent.

And EVO is kind of a lottery now for USF4 because the game has too many characters and it's impossible to master all matchups. Deal with it, that's what you asked for.

#26
BornFreeEH said on August 3, 2014 at 3:08 p.m.

Nobody said he's the best ever or any nonsense like that.

But, this BS about Rose being cheap and buffed and god tier is frankly ridiculous.

Good match ups, bad match ups. If all it came down to was match ups there would be 8 Rose's in the top 8 according to you lot.

He beat some of the best players to ever live. You don't just beat these guys because of a buff.

And besides you could make that excuse for every player that ever won a tournament.

Why is there so much salt? Because he's French? Because he beat Bonchan and Tokido and Mago and Fuudo and Eita and Snake Eyes, etc.? His run was nothing short of a miracle. All while being on stage, the immense pressure, in a foreign country.

Why can't we just tip our hat to him and wish him well?

And again, I ask you, where were all the Rose complaints before Evo?

#27
Valiantheart said on August 3, 2014 at 3:08 p.m.

Kazunoko is notorious for choking in big moments. Its kind of his thing.

#28
MegaBlaze said on August 3, 2014 at 3:11 p.m.

Y u do dis roofy? :(

#29
BornFreeEH said on August 3, 2014 at 3:15 p.m.

Exactly. Some players pick top tier, others decide to truly master an unpopular character. The advantage is the opposition has no idea what to do.

Tokido vs. Xian in last year's Grand Final was a very good example.
Everyone was sleeping on Gen, or had never seen what a top tier Gen even looked like.

Xian and Luffy outsmarted the FGC. There's no excuses. The whining must stop.

#30
BornFreeEH said on August 3, 2014 at 3:16 p.m.

Apparently Alouine is the same. In fact I was told he's better than Luffy but worse in tournaments. Another aspect people have to take into consideration.

#31
sprflyspdrguy said on August 3, 2014 at 3:20 p.m.

I WANT TO LIIIIVVEEE!!!

#32
Angerfist62 said on August 3, 2014 at 3:24 p.m.

In the interview, Luffy says that Rose is a better character for short set, Yun is a hard matchup for Rose (because of some buffs, like Cr MK or Ex Punch that help him to get in) and very offensive characters (like Gouki/Cammy/Yun) are the best in long set.

Cuongster says he know Luffy, because he had a lot of match with Honda in the past, he watched Luffy's matches and he prepared himself for the Dreamhack (some Option select, specific situation)

At the end, Luffy tell us that he is going to Versus Fighting 6 (a tournament in UK) for the cash prize and Cuongster is going for the Capcom Cup qualification.

#33
Deneb said on August 3, 2014 at 3:33 p.m.

Long sets are more for learning. There are 2 rounds per game. That means per game, you get to take a loss. Winning 2 games actually means you won 4 rounds and lost, at most 2. In 3 of 5, to win you need to win 6 rounds while only losing 3, maximum.

So. where is the improtance of adaptation and swift adaptation at that? Longer sets benefit the better character and the player who adapts more slowly. That's why it's a better character, right? More advantages. I can't belief this doesn't go without saying.

What do you guys say when a boxer gets knocked out early? That he would have one if it was a longer match? He got knocked the heck out! Most players adapt slowly so they would prefer all the time in the world to figure something out.

This is 2014. We have tutorials and top player matches all over youtube to steal and "learn from" and copy. With all of that at your fingertips(because the top players of the past had none of this) if you need more than a few games to start winning, it's because you are slow to adapt and therefore, lacking in of a quality inherent in winners.

It all comes down to clutch time. There is no pressure in long matches because you have a comfortable buffer to relax and try things out. That's right. I'm saying longer sets benefit the weaker player with the best character, otherwise, having the better character, they shouldn't need 10 games to adapt with all the info out there and people bringing damn encyclopedia's to tournaments in their phones(that's like using a calculator for a math test. I can't believe it's allowed).

Top players don't need long sets unless they fear losing. That means you want to feel safe and have a buffer of being able to take many losses before you adapt and you need time to get used to the opponents arsenal instead of being able to adapt instantly. In the end, it comes down to the game point. The sooner the game point comes, the sooner the pressure hits. Anyone can play without pressure. Competition is supposed to be pressure and weaker players would like to eliminate that because they crumble under it.

This is why tournaments are formatted the way that they are. It isn't for time constraints. You get many rounds to avoid "luck" while being short enough to gauge who adapts better under pressure. We found the "happy medium" years ago and some of the new generation seems to think it was arbitrary.

#34
gost_body said on August 3, 2014 at 3:48 p.m.

Then by that theory there has never been a worthy EVO champ because of the format.

#35
mechmaster90 said on August 3, 2014 at 3:55 p.m.

Rushdown characters are pretty tough for Rose, no surprise there.
I'll say it again, but I honestly think Louffy was quite lucky that Ricky Ortiz got bopped by Snake Eyez because I think he would have made short work of Louffy.

#36
BootySweat said on August 3, 2014 at 4:06 p.m.

"Clicked toward end of vid"...yun riding away on skateboard :)

#37
brandaman69 said on August 3, 2014 at 4:36 p.m.

Sometimes but in long sets he always does pretty well. He is 50/50 in tournament but in a set he would make Luffy look like he has never played the game before.

#38
SAMURAI said on August 3, 2014 at 4:37 p.m.

Yun is GOD TIER! The Japanese top players said that Yun is in a tier of his own.

Luffy still the best!

#39
SAMURAI said on August 3, 2014 at 4:39 p.m.

Just like Luffy made every Japanese player he played at EVO look like they never played the game before.

#40
Vone said on August 3, 2014 at 4:40 p.m.

oh christ. shut up.

#41
irrenmann said on August 3, 2014 at 4:46 p.m.

Everyone really finds Rose so boring? I wonder why she scored so high in the voting to be included in the first place. I always thought she was sexy and cool.

#42
Eden said on August 3, 2014 at 4:48 p.m.

I translate what Luffy said :

"I think the MU is actually pretty difficult for Rose. Yun has really big damages since his cr.mp buffs and EX lunch punch, it helps him a lot to close the distance, and inevitably during long sets, the gap widens in the match-ups. I started really well, with 4-1, on short sets it’s simpler for Rose. But in long sets, we can see that as soon as Yun plays more solid, it’s really difficult to open the guard, and Yun’s come-back abilities are very good."

"In long sets, it’s much harder when we have a character who isn’t ultra offensive with different phases. It’s well known that it’s offensive characters like Akuma, Cammy and Yun which are very advantaged in the long term. I lost a lot of sets because of execution errors, Yun comebacks, or when it was 1-1, and it could have been winning sets for me. Unfortunately I couldn’t be successful enough today."

#43
KataM said on August 3, 2014 at 4:53 p.m.

America is butthurt with Luffy's win, same way Japan was with Xian past year.

#44
Eden said on August 3, 2014 at 5:04 p.m.

Actually, Luffy said he wanted to play against Ricky and not Snake Eyez, because he was more "scared" about Snake Eyez and didn't fear Ricky haha

#45
evo546 said on August 3, 2014 at 5:12 p.m.

Japan butthurt with Xian? wtf are you talking about japan give respect to all EVO champ just like they're respecting Luffy winning EVO this year.

#46
Cascadian1106 said on August 3, 2014 at 5:15 p.m.

Aww... What happened to Lucky Striker Luffy? His character's Chun-copied backdash didn't work either. I guess not even Lady Luck was able to help him on this one just like she helped him in EVO. Why do you Rose players think that your U2 is actually a panic/desperation move? Kazunoko would have probably schooled this guy much worse.

#47
grayfox8 said on August 3, 2014 at 5:30 p.m.

on the red focus its not a mistake but an hitbox bug when rose crouch

#48
Kudarane said on August 3, 2014 at 6:07 p.m.

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#49
AveMcree said on August 3, 2014 at 6:14 p.m.

computer commando....... killyaself

#50
Doctrine_Dark said on August 3, 2014 at 6:14 p.m.

Luffy is awesome. He's a Rose loyalist. He didn't just start using her because she got buffed. People need to just stop being so salty.

Any talk about Rose being OP is scrub talk.

#51
TheMasterPlayer said on August 3, 2014 at 6:57 p.m.

In the words of Daigo 'the beast' Umehara, "Yun is in a tier on his own". Truth!

#52
oro77 said on August 3, 2014 at 7:02 p.m.

Luffy may win against Kazunoko in FT3 but I don't think he would stand a chance in a FT7 or FT10.

#53
Snow2Drop said on August 3, 2014 at 7:12 p.m.

If Louffy win Rose is OP.

If Louffy lose he is outplayed.

If Louffy lose to a Yun, Yun is not OP.

Guess what, Beastgief, Louffy already won EVO, now leave like you promised to honour-less trash

#54
Snow2Drop said on August 3, 2014 at 7:13 p.m.

You being born into this world is a lottery, Beastgief

#55
mechmaster90 said on August 3, 2014 at 7:17 p.m.

Oh he said that huh, interesting. As Rose, I find Rufus to be pretty hard to handle, maybe he's also got that matchup on point, wouldn't be surprising. I'd like to see that happen though.

#56
rosy said on August 3, 2014 at 7:37 p.m.

Great set from both player. I know this kind of pain when vs good yun especially in the corner :(

#57
Cascadian1106 said on August 3, 2014 at 7:40 p.m.

Stop saying that Rose is OP, please. That's pretty much just scrub talk. All she has are either ripped-off moves and skills from other characters or outright gimmicks. How can she be broken? She has low damage output (this, after the 10-point damage buffs to her normals), stupidly bad projectile startup and recovery, average walkspeed, a throwable reversal that requires meter and a floaty jump. On the other hand, she has a decent backdash which screams Chun all over and pokes that also scream Chun all over. Well, she does have an original yet gimmicky U2.

#58
Emesots said on August 3, 2014 at 7:43 p.m.

Yun win . then Yun is OP

#59
Baby_Astaroth said on August 3, 2014 at 7:48 p.m.

Yun is not a fun character to me. I don't enjoy playing him. I liked him so much more in 3's. I think it had more to do with the system mechanics though. He's definitely not appealing to me in the SF4 series.

#60
Slaystation said on August 3, 2014 at 8:07 p.m.

Not buying the "God Tier" argument. I don't care what the Japanese say. If he's so godlike, why is hardly anyone in Japan using him? Why didn't we see a single Yun in top 8? There were just as many E. Hondas in the top 25 as there were Yuns (two).

#61
brandaman69 said on August 3, 2014 at 8:27 p.m.

I wonder if you will think like that after Luffy gets destroyed when he goes to Canada cup. He is probably going to go up against Daigo, Xian, Xiao Hai, and Kazunoko. All of them are going to make him look like a scrub. The last time Daigo played him Daigo destroyed him.

#62
Pinky said on August 3, 2014 at 8:53 p.m.

My goodness, this is like the dead sea of saltiness in the comments. A freaking ROSE player and a EUROPEAN player wins for the first time in EVO SSF4 history and we should be celebrating this and congratulating Luffy. What do people do instead? Complain that Rose is cheap. LMAO ROSE!!?? CHEAP??? Don't make me laugh. I main Dan and Rose is one of the harder matchups I have fought but she is FAR from an overpowered character. You want to know how to beat her? Rush her. That's it. Plain and simple.

I also absolutely LOVE how people are NOW saying that the Topanga league is somehow "Superior" to EVO. Again, don't make me laugh. I wonder if people will say that Daigo, Infiltration and Xian's EVO wins don't count because it's all "Lottery". Oh but they're Japanese/Asian, so obviously it doesn't count (No disrespect to any of them).

Seriously, I bet if a Japanese player like Daigo, Mago, or Bonchan won this EVO there would be absolutely NO complaints except maybe the Rose whiners would just shift their negative attention to Bonchan's Sagat and yell "SAGAT IS OP!!!", hell maybe the whole "TOPANGA IS BETTER THAN EVO" sentence wouldn't have even existed.

Sad thing is if Luffy competed at Topanga and, hell, destroys everybody, people will just say that the Topanga league is garbage and say, I don't know, Gods Garden is the real tournament.

tl;dr: Stay salty.

#63
Deen said on August 3, 2014 at 9:28 p.m.

So you're saying i just gotta pick rose and ill win EVO easily? Genius!

#64
Neojaw21 said on August 3, 2014 at 11:24 p.m.

Luffy is awesome, haters gonna hate... 'nuff said

#65
VelvetWonder said on August 3, 2014 at 11:48 p.m.

The thing is: people here are insecure. They have "their" players and they will root for them no matter what. Heck, someone brought up Kazunoko in a topic that has absolutely nothing to do with him. As if he were the only Yun player around... Come to think of it, aren't we supposed to be hating that Yun player for picking a broken character ?

#66
Temet said on August 4, 2014 at 12:03 a.m.

Oh come on, he had to face Tokido who is one of those he wants to avoid the most, with Gamerbee.

Luffy always said that he's better with short matches, he's still a great and smart player.

"not to mention the buffs on Rose and the nerfs on Sagat definitely played a role" : seriously, did you see the match? It was not a short victory, it was a slaughter... Do you remember a finalist leaving his chair to ask to all japanese players "Guys, help me, I don't know what to do?".

#67
aflashlight said on August 4, 2014 at 12:04 a.m.

Oh yeah, never thought of EVO like that. But it's harder to win the lottery no? More respect for Luffy then. But of course Daigo is always the luckiest, he won the lottery twice. Man Daigo should just quit and go play Deal or no Deal.

#68
HyperViperNZ said on August 4, 2014 at 12:09 a.m.

Worlds top Rose player THAT WE KNOW OF*

#69
JIHADJOE said on August 4, 2014 at 12:16 a.m.

That's true for just about every fighting game, though.

Tier lists are nothing but a sum of a character's matchups, but the actual matchups are far more important than a character's position on the tier list (unless of course you're playing ST Akuma).

#70
Nevran said on August 4, 2014 at 12:21 a.m.

During this time, everyone think Cuongster is a no name player that only played Yun because he is top tiers and beat luffy because of that.

Not like this guy is a really strong player and that his tech is on point. He has a lot of option select against rose backdash (her only and main tool to escape pressure), have some really strong mindgame and manage well his meter.

Don't know if you understood but Cuongster explained in an other video that Yun greatest strengh was his comeback potential.
And the problem is that red focus WHIFF on crouching Rose. At first, he was completly stunned by that and it made his game really tough. Then he adapted and began to use more ex meter since he couldn't use red focus combo and even some super in situation where red focus couldn't be used.

Cuongster is a really strong player, also in Europe we KNOW Luffy. This guy is like in every big european tornament, trust me, if Rose was cheap and gimmicky, Luffy wouldn't have won major and being top 3 for 5 year.

You need to learn a little the european scene guys : s

Ps: Also, it was a big discussion in some video with Ken Bogard and when Yun has a LOT of strengh, he also have some weakness. the reason for his top tiers status is that his strengh greatly overcome his cons. Unlike someone like Vega who has very strong footsie and good dmg coming with a nice okizeme but have no real anti-air and reversal, which make his life really hard.

#71
aflashlight said on August 4, 2014 at 12:30 a.m.

This isn't a reply to anybody....

Luffy won a favorable match-up at EVO grand finals.

I don't get it, why is it degrading if I state the truth?

Now he lost against a character with great pressure, if anything it shows that Rose is not cheap and not only that but Luffy was smart at EVO.

You could bet your ass every Japanese God had a pocket anti-yun game plan during EVO especially with Kazunoko's attendance.

Then Luffy just caught everyone's pants down with Rose.
Not even Bonchan can prepare for that many match-ups in a couple months.

He must've prepared for Yun, E. Ryu because of Daigo, Fei for Fuudo & Mago, Akuma for Tokido, Gen for Sako & Xian so there's no way he could get to practice against Rose.

Luffy had nerves like steel to make that comeback from the losers bracket. Every single Ehub reader together would've cracked but Luffy hung on and waited so smartly for Bonchan to do his desperate uppercut.

Fine, say what you wanna say about Luffy's EVO win, just put YOUR placing at EVO when your done.

#72
yes4me said on August 4, 2014 at 12:33 a.m.

The interview points:

- Play SF4 because that's the first game he found on PS3
- A stick is probably better than a gamepad
- Playing one char for a long time is easier to adapt to change and learn the matchup.
- practice "only" 2h a day
- Undecided going pro or not.
- Rose is probably considered low tier if Luffy was not famous for winning 3 French tournament and EVO.
- Didn't want to meet Gamerbee and Tokido (I think he always loses to Gamerbee)
- He beat Daigo the first time they met
- Luffy is very demanded to play all over the place (including Japan)
- He made this year E17,100 from evo + E1500 from Dreamhack E18k total so far.
- his wife is very supportive
- he started by RPG. he likes to pick female characters
- His job consists into selling socks and other stuffs.

#73
jonz said on August 4, 2014 at 1:21 a.m.

Dude, Luffy probably has more wins against top japanese players than all of the US combined.

He also beat Justin at Stunfest.

Right now, there isn't any US player on Louffy's level. Maybe even Ryan is stronger than all of the US.

So the US are clearly the weakest of the big 3. Even their very top players fail to win as soon as foreigner players come to a major. This country is so weak that i can't even understand why we should listen to the US scrubs' opinion.

America = bragging a lot => losing a lot => disrespecting winners a lot. Until you're able to win something, just shut up and grind training mode.

#74
SAMURAI said on August 4, 2014 at 3:18 a.m.

Luffy already beat Ricky last year. That was before the buffs. So what makes you think Ricky would win it now?

#75
SAMURAI said on August 4, 2014 at 3:22 a.m.

Who cares, Luffy WON EVO and he's the champ. Daigo barely finished in top 50, so either respect Luffy or stfu and stay salty.

#76
TheAlmightyVox said on August 4, 2014 at 4 a.m.

I cannot understand where all this hatred for Luffy is coming from. Before, nobody had a problem with him. A lot of people didn't know who he was, but those who did respected him. Now, he wins EVO, and suddenly he's a cocky prick who wins because of a cheap character? Seriously? Are people really that salty over Japan losing?

To completely invalidate someone's hard work by saying his character is cheap and overpowered and that he only had to go through 10-0 matchups in just wrong. To further it by personally insulting him is even worse.

#77
xBMxSage said on August 4, 2014 at 4:04 a.m.

Luffy could've won Evo with Dan and he'd still get sh*t for it. In previous builds of SF4 I've read so many complaints on here about Fei Long, Cammy, Akuma, and Yun. But for the last two Evos an unexpected character that wasn't considered very strong wins and that player who uses said character gets so much crap for using an OP character. Judging by the comments I'm reading, so many of you would rather have repeat victories with the four characters mentioned earlier by the same Japanese players year after year. You really just want to see those four characters remain dominate in the tournament scene with no one else coming out on top? Because that's what a lot of you sound like you're saying.

#78
Sasuga said on August 4, 2014 at 4:18 a.m.

Luffy is married? Would never have guessed that.

#79
SAMURAI said on August 4, 2014 at 4:19 a.m.

Before EVO Bonchan said he wouldn't counterpick against PR Balrog because it's just PR Balrog. Everyone was laughing, no one said anything about arrogance.

But Luffy is cocky & arrogant right?

#80
asadmonkey said on August 4, 2014 at 4:51 a.m.

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#81
SAMURAI said on August 4, 2014 at 5:08 a.m.

He is married, but you wouldn't know. You don't know anything.

#82
grabityfree said on August 4, 2014 at 5:14 a.m.

The only top player i know who never lose against luffy is gamerbee.
Cuongster is a beast and not only in SF4 , dont sleep on him in Guilty Gear.

#83
Mighty_One58 said on August 4, 2014 at 5:18 a.m.

Rose will be nerfed on the next update. Deal with it #Kappa

#84
Mighty_One58 said on August 4, 2014 at 5:22 a.m.

Rose tough match-ups are Adon and Boxers. But guess what, Filipinoman's Rose bodied PR ROG's boxer at EVO.

#85
TheAlmightyVox said on August 4, 2014 at 5:32 a.m.

Can we just get this asadmonkey guy banned? He's just straight up insulting everyone now.

#86
Temet said on August 4, 2014 at 5:44 a.m.

practice "only" 2h a day <<< Actually, I'm pretty sure he said "2h a week", not "a day" ;)
I don't have the courage to search the video to confirm, but I'm sure the interviewer was surprised and made the same mistake at first.

#87
aflashlight said on August 4, 2014 at 5:48 a.m.

asadmonkey is kinda toxic to this forum, more so than feminism.

#88
doomfanatiq said on August 4, 2014 at 6:17 a.m.

great matches, cuongster has a great yun to be able to beat the evo champ so much, though it is a bad matchup for rose.

hope those trolls realise rose do have bad matchups too yun and maybe rufus, unlike ae cammy fei long and akuma who have 5-5 mu at worst...

game still new and dwu greatly affect OS and vortex chars, am sure if luffy managed to win more tournaments people would be able to analyse if rose is a top tier char anot, for now there doesn't seem to be a op char in the game and capcom have achieved their aim 'balance' maybe

#89
Snow2Drop said on August 4, 2014 at 7:09 a.m.

Lol look at this Beastgief, talking about sex and all.

Little do he know that his dick is as small as his honour

#90
Snow2Drop said on August 4, 2014 at 7:09 a.m.

I mean he is Beastgief afterall

#91
asadmonkey said on August 4, 2014 at 8:10 a.m.

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#92
JohnPirate said on August 4, 2014 at 8:52 a.m.

Boxer isn't a tough matchup for rose, people need top stop make their own matchup list, like saying rose/feilong is a 9/1 (it's 5/5) or saying rose/sagat is a 9/1 (it's barely a 6/4).

Luffy is actually married and has a full time job, it's funny to see that when people who hate luffy for winning tournaments, can't argue about the game, they start to talk about his life.

Poeple don't know Cuongster at all (In europe he is well known)he's not a random yun player, he's one of the best european player and know luffy's rose very well, so stop randomly trashing him without any knowledge of the game and european scene.

I saw alot of comments about how luffy would have been bodied if he faced Ricky Ortiz, well, this matchup is in Rufus favor yes, but Luffy Already beaten Ricky last year evo with a considered 'mid tier' Rose, and also beaten Justin Wong at Stunfest. So basically everyone saying this is wrong.

Now for the last part I would like to say that Luffy will lose tournaments, maybe Canada cup, maybe another, like everyone did at their time, Daigo lost tournament after winning evo but nobody said he's a fraud, same goes for fuudo, infiltration, Xian etc... But Luffy (Like Xian) did not have the right to lose a single tournament for the rest of his life without the risk of being classified as the biggest fraud ever, think about it.

#93
k1blader said on August 4, 2014 at 8:52 a.m.

Luffy's face when he gets caught by wake up ultra is priceless.

#94
XStrangeBeautyX said on August 4, 2014 at 8:55 a.m.

People keep talking about roses bad matchups LOL She doesn't really have any though,,,,, Rose is a character made to handle everything.

#95
asadmonkey said on August 4, 2014 at 8:59 a.m.

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#96
yes4me said on August 4, 2014 at 9:14 a.m.

Why don't you ask Capcom to nerf Wolferine so that Justin Wong is finished in MvC3? Same stuff.

#97
Nevran said on August 4, 2014 at 10:30 a.m.

Saying Viscant is a fraud when he was one of the two real dark phoenix player with F.champ back in the old day.

#98
Onislayer said on August 4, 2014 at 11:58 a.m.

Well said

#99
4Eyez said on August 4, 2014 at 12:13 p.m.

YOU should care.

Because if you seriously can't force yourself to look at Louffy in the same light, you know, as someone who never played the game before (like you said of the japanese players Louffy beat), WHILE he was getting wrecked, something is EXTREMELY wrong with you...seek help ASAP

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