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Why did T. Hawk drop in the rankings? Major additions to tiers help answer that question and more

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • April 13, 2014 at 9:04 p.m. PDT

We've just launched some major additions to our tiers here on EventHubs.

The first thing you'll notice right off is we now list the top 10 gains and losses for all of the games currently in our tiers, which are SSF4 AE v2012 and BlazBlue CP.

One of the biggest new features is now you can track how every single match up in every game has changed — or is currently changing.

So if you see that T. Hawk has dropped several points in our rankings, you can click through to find out why.

Our tier listings are now updated every hour, so if a character gets hot in a tournament, you'll be able to chart their rise (or fall) and see which match ups they're gaining or losing ground in.

Hit the jump to continue reading.

As only having two games is a bit limited, if all goes to plan, we'll be launching a third game tomorrow (Monday).

Also, since we're nearing the end of develop on this section, future games will be coming once every 3 or so days — until we've launched tiers for all of the major tournament games in the FGC.

We've also made numerous speed improvements to these sections, so navigation should be faster than ever before.

We've got a few more minor announcements to make for tiers before we move on to our next major project, so stay tuned and enjoy.

Big shout outs to TheUncharted for his excellent and thorough work on this feature. If you enjoy this stuff, make sure you let him know in the comments below.

Artwork from FixelCat.


suicine94 said on April 13, 2014 at 9:07 p.m.

T hawk did't get gun in ultra so drop in rankings.

On a serious note. Why is hawk's damage on spd so little hes bottom tier so hawks spd damage need to be same as geif.

Also why is hp spire start up still 20 frames? Come on make it 17 frames since light is 11 and mp is 14.

Also make it so it opponent blocks a condor dive you can spend meter to do an ex dive during the bounce back. This makes a small guessing game

MANDINGO said on April 13, 2014 at 9:09 p.m.

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spotlesseden said on April 13, 2014 at 9:11 p.m.

waiting for daigo to main t hawk.

Gurpwnder said on April 13, 2014 at 9:22 p.m.

I would imagine it's because Hawk's Mexican Typhoon leaves him in a better position (especially after LP Mexican typhoon) than Gief's SPD.

Jason said on April 13, 2014 at 9:30 p.m.

The BBCP tier list is a serious mess.

Rambro said on April 13, 2014 at 9:30 p.m.

trying to get in with hawk is such a pain

his mobility moves are extremely punishable

and his anti air suck, i just use it to combo.

now he's getting ok buffs. but since everyone else are getting great buffs, hawks buffs doesn't look so attractive.

lol but I'm a idiot some I'm still maining him.............and decapre :)

P.S at least he wont be the worst character in USF4 ,That spot is reserved for Hugo

bagel_bytez said on April 13, 2014 at 9:33 p.m.

I'm for it

Catalyst said on April 13, 2014 at 9:51 p.m.

Funny thing, I noticed you don't have any votes logged for the BBCP tiers.

If they're so far off, why not get in there and help increase their accuracy by voting?

xianmsg said on April 13, 2014 at 10:09 p.m.

Too many bad matchups. Bring back turbo hawk

TaokakaBOOM said on April 13, 2014 at 10:11 p.m.

I support your suggestion 100%, Xian. - Biased T.Hawk main

darkcloudzzz said on April 13, 2014 at 10:28 p.m.

err...problem is no..hawks mexican typhoon does not leave him in a better position as compared then gief? giefs "vortex" is way better

Gairak said on April 13, 2014 at 10:29 p.m.

T-Hawk have the DP's , the Condor Dive and the Heavy Shoulder for grabs mix ups. If you think T-H is weak is because you have no imagination. He is strong. And sneaky. But well. He is a good mix up player. Gief only had the strength of some moves, and the precision of the player using him to win.

darkcloudzzz said on April 13, 2014 at 10:41 p.m.

Dp is 5 frame so its one the worst in the game, condor dive is punishable super punishable on block and heavy shoulders is okay but because of his floaty jump the opponent gets ages to react to it.

In comparison, gief has lariet which is possibly one of the best anti-air in the game imo. he has a short jump, only character in the cast to have it. GH is good at least way better then condor spire because it can be punished moves e.g. blanka ball which condor spire cant even punish. all versions of spd leave him at the same distance which is good. And the biggest tool at his disposal is his normals. WAy higher prority, hits ppl out of the air if they jump and moves him foward close into spd range.

shuang9 said on April 13, 2014 at 11:04 p.m.

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blaziner said on April 13, 2014 at 11:17 p.m.

because he doesnt have the gun

BallTapper said on April 13, 2014 at 11:26 p.m.

because grapplers suck and will forever suck outside of Vanilla Gief

THTB said on April 13, 2014 at 11:43 p.m.

Hey, Catalyst, quick question. Are there any plans to implement Injustice tiers? That would definitely be cool to see happen.

Nevran said on April 13, 2014 at 11:45 p.m.

I honestly think his buff are really gonna make him better. Just think about it:

Better walkspeed = Better at footsie with less pushback = New combo or better SPD trap
I don't know how praticable will his HK be but it can only help. cancellable is great, he can now close the distance with lk condor spire.
Light condor spire got HUGE buff. It is only -2 on block and way faster!
EX condor spire should trade way better now.
His light DP is better right now and his ex DP is cancellable.
His LK SPD has an better range right now.

QoL + real buff, T-Hawk should honestly be better right now and can move on the bottom of mid tiers.
He is one of the character that got the best buff with Juri, Guile, Oni, Ken or Dee Jay.

Deen said on April 14, 2014 at 12:05 a.m.

XIAN Kreygasm. But-but, ST Hawk is too crazy! Do you also want him to have no animation on his SPD Kappa

Existent said on April 14, 2014 at 12:54 a.m.

The poor guy just Condor Dived his way to the bottom.

suicine94 said on April 14, 2014 at 1:01 a.m.

The argument as to why his lp spd is 150 damage is not valid since delayed wake up. Before 150 was ok cos you got an amazing set up... now its bs... im going to use maybe hp spd now

Madenka said on April 14, 2014 at 1:55 a.m.

You get 3 frame safe jumps from medium SPD.

Gurpwnder said on April 14, 2014 at 1:58 a.m.

Gief's SPD puts Gief roughly 1/2 screen away.

Thomas' LP Mexican Typhoon leaves him very close to the opponent.

So yes, T.Hawk's Mexican Typhoon (pre USF4) leaves him in a better position.

rainraiser said on April 14, 2014 at 2:52 a.m.

Fighting with conviction leads to victory!

tweetnrepeat said on April 14, 2014 at 4:02 a.m.

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celipo_nl said on April 14, 2014 at 4:06 a.m.

Dislike your mentality

Grevier said on April 14, 2014 at 4:26 a.m.

because he missed the Condor Dive.


capra said on April 14, 2014 at 4:46 a.m.

if we learned anything from the balance update it's that capcom hates buffing characters in any meaningful way, and if they have to do it something else must be nerfed and that nerf must outweigh the buff. just be glad they didn't buff his walk speed because then they would make mexican typhoon blockable or some sh1t.

I'm still pretty salty about the balance update obviously, seems so pointless they could have just implemented the new system mechanics like -5 dps after focus dash and redfocus and called it a day, because nobody got anything to significantly change what they are capable of or help their bad matchups.

BlackOnyxThunder said on April 14, 2014 at 4:51 a.m.

Is this a trick-question?

shinra358 said on April 14, 2014 at 5:17 a.m.

He wouldn't have any problems if they just gave him his jumping back normal condor dive. At least give it to him when he is jumping back and is touching the side of the screen (like chuns walljump). The condor spire direction change is only gonna get him hit more because of the fact that you aren't pressing back anymore to do it...

Ett said on April 14, 2014 at 5:51 a.m.

Even T.hawk Dan is 5-5

Quakeulf said on April 14, 2014 at 7:38 a.m.

Yes please. Give him at least something to bring him up to middle tier.

Or just fix all of his hurtboxes and buff his hitboxes. He has almost zero priority now.

keNzo said on April 14, 2014 at 7:47 a.m.

Actually here in Japan theres a plenty of T.Hawk players. (I am living in Japan).

TheGodOfPez said on April 14, 2014 at 8:06 a.m.

This this this this this this.

darko_p86 said on April 14, 2014 at 8:34 a.m.

52 minutes of tiers updating with limited commercial interruptions only on the E-Hubs. Be caller 9 and you could win a free trip to the batcave of capcoms headquarters. Call now.

Yeah, hawk ain't doing do good. Got my sparring buddy online mad.

mrambitious said on April 14, 2014 at 8:35 a.m.

Lol. Got 'em there. A serious concern of mine w/ BBCP is how laggy it is without a wired connection. When i have access to a wire, it seems to be pretty good, but on wireless even "good" connections somehow end up with a 1.5 second input lag on my end. 9/10 matches ive played were essentially unplayable on wireless network.

GodPride said on April 14, 2014 at 9:04 a.m.

No he took a condor dive.

xianmsg said on April 14, 2014 at 9:33 a.m.

I think KOF98 and KOF2002 are the 2 most Balanced game.

I am excited to see USFIV and all the new things we can all discover together!

Existent said on April 14, 2014 at 10:10 a.m.

You are incorrect.

Trex said on April 14, 2014 at 10:43 a.m.

I believe hawk gets weaker the longer a version is out; bc people understand his simple gameplan better.

Hawk is also in a bad position bc his bad matchups (= shotos + blanka) are very popular.

But I still love him.

MegaMayneX said on April 14, 2014 at 11:27 a.m.

The lp.CS buff will make his SPD mix-up game even better and judging from the frame data, it possibly could be used as a legit anti-air. It would also seem to form a more efficient way of approaching the, OH so dreadful, Blanka matchup. Although Hawk is getting GREAT buffs, so is mostly everyone else.

CamracPls said on April 14, 2014 at 12:29 p.m.

The tick throw system would have to be the same in 4, since O.Hawk's main strength ended up being tick throw OSes. :(

holybird90 said on April 14, 2014 at 9:27 p.m.

T.Hawk in Ultra will be a bomb, I'm going to main him.


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