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PlayStation 4 controller is backwards compatible with the PS3, usually - will future joysticks follow suit?

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • October 22, 2013 at 6:26 p.m. PDT
PlayStation 4 controller is backwards compatible with the PS3, usually - will future joysticks follow suit? An interesting video popped up on the interwebs yesterday showing that the PlayStation 4 controller is actually backwards compatible with the PS3 — at least when it's hooked in via a wired connection.

Udetto created a video demonstrating this in action, but he noted games that require a wireless configuration/elements would not be supported by the new PS4 controller, at least currently.

Still, when next generation joysticks start hitting the PS4, it's likely/possible you'll be able to use them on your PS3, which would be a pretty nifty thing to have going for the FGC. Also, if you're a pad player, and like the new controller setup, this is potentially good news as well.

There's no word yet if you could use a PS3 Dualshock Adapter to game on an Xbox 360.

Hit the jump to check out the clip.

Video from Udetto, submitted by Tenchi_Sokaigen.

Comments

Lavama said on October 22, 2013 at 6:29 p.m.

First?

Anyways, that sounds cool. It's actually an incinitive to get the controller before the system to see if you like the controller.

#1
ShakeTheWorm said on October 22, 2013 at 6:29 p.m.

At 200$ per stick, it better run on both next and current-gen.

#2
ChauncyTalon said on October 22, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.

I watched this earlier. He confirmed that it didn't work for Fifa but will PS3 sticks work on the PS4? Mike Z confirmed yes but only time will tell.

#3
Malice said on October 22, 2013 at 6:38 p.m.

If your arcade stick can be recognized as a standard USB device, then it should work in the PS4.

#4
xBMxSage said on October 22, 2013 at 6:45 p.m.

Off topic but I heard a rumor that Microsoft is working on a device that will allow PS3 games to be played on the Xbox One and if that were to happen Sony would do the same thing vice versa. I know that it sounds like complete bs but has anyone heard that?

#5
Tenchi_Sokaigen said on October 22, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.

I´m actually pretty hyped up for this, really hope it will be compadable with the dualshock adapter.

#6
ChauncyTalon said on October 22, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.

It's an app that allows you to play anything through the Xbox One or PS4 through it because the XBOX One has HDMI in. So you can play the system through it but you must have the system on and using it own controller.

#7
CapcockSucka said on October 22, 2013 at 6:49 p.m.

I wonder if there's any real advantage to this. I know a DS2 controller is better than the original DualShock since I tested a few games with it.

#8
TaurusMAGNUS said on October 22, 2013 at 6:50 p.m.

Lol nah dude, I haven't heard anything like that.

#9
dugthefreshest said on October 22, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.

it would be much better if the console itself was BC, like Wii to GC, so you can use your old sticks.

#10
JIHADJOE said on October 22, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.

@10
Or play your old games!

#11
MrEibmoz said on October 22, 2013 at 7:01 p.m.

It will. PS3 sticks will work on PS4. Sony has always used a standard USB protocol which is why PS2 wheels work on PS3 and why PS4 pad works on PS3 wired.

#12
Aluppoj said on October 22, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.

Can't freaking wait for PS4:)

Feels like Christmas!!

#13
Hawk said on October 22, 2013 at 7:35 p.m.

Any word if they've fixed the input delay this time around?

#14
YumaTsukumo said on October 22, 2013 at 7:44 p.m.

When it's in the worlds hands we shall be using that controller for a lot more

#15
TheTHCGamer said on October 22, 2013 at 7:58 p.m.

Why would you want to use a PS4 controller on a PS3 aren't they more expensive? Why not invest in a inpin converter and just use a PS2 controller without any input delay?

#16
TheTHCGamer said on October 22, 2013 at 8:01 p.m.

That's not what I heard Markman hinted that you'll have to buy all new sticks for the PS4 unless a converters released. Sony will end up blocking old controllers in my opinion because it'll force us to buy there new ones.

#17
SeMi_AuTo said on October 22, 2013 at 8:08 p.m.

I hope so. I got that Hori Fighting Edge and I love that stick. If I could use it on a PS4 that would be great. I like it so much if they made one for PS4 I would buy another one. If I didn't have to that would be even better.......

#18
Xul said on October 22, 2013 at 8:11 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#19
Aluppoj said on October 22, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.

"They" as in Capcom? It's their game.

And input delay is different on EVERY platform for SF4

Arcade, PS3, XBOX and PC all have varying input timing changes for SF4.

And SFxT runs optimal on PS3. Whereas MVC3 runs optimal on XBOX360.

Not attacking. Just breaking you off some knowledge.

#20
Cyclops said on October 22, 2013 at 8:13 p.m.

That was Capcoms fault, if it was the fault of the PS3 then all PS3 games would have lag, which they don't.

#21
BlankaBeast said on October 22, 2013 at 8:35 p.m.

PS4

FTW

#22
bwinches said on October 22, 2013 at 8:49 p.m.

Not trying to come off as a "know it all a-hole". However, I believe PS3 and Xbox360 are USB version 2.0 Likewise, I believe that PS4 and Xbox One are USB version 3.0! Both Sony and Microsoft might have firmware making it so that any or all USB 2.0 devices don't work on our new PS4s or Xbox Ones. USB 3.0 does have a higher bandwidth so it can handle more inputs at once and at higher speeds. USB 3.0 would lessen input lag, which is a good thing. Even if USB 2.0 sticks work on next-gen., your competition might have the slightest advantage using a USB 3.0 stick against you. Can you chance it?

YES, It sucks that we have to buy new sticks! P.S. And that they're 200 bones!

#23
Hawk said on October 22, 2013 at 9:05 p.m.

Thanks folks for clearing that up. I had believed it was the controller's problem this whole time.

#24
courte said on October 22, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.

except wii had that fazed out
and ps3 had ps2 fazed out quickly
BC for accessories is ok, but why make bc for software when most people likely have a ps3 or 360 [pc]?
also most of those old games are being made available digital as well so...

they don't stick with it. and of course wii had it and the wii u. but they don't even use blu ray, much less dvds. i say that with much love for nintendo. it's expensive. besides you can get an old gen ps2 for like 50 bucks

#25
Aluppoj said on October 22, 2013 at 9:17 p.m.

Easy mistake to make. I can see why you'd think that.

But yeah, it's actually on Capcom's end.

XBOX360 is actually FASTER than the Arcade version. But we're talking fractions of a second here man. All combos and actions can be fully performed across all platforms.

SFxT suffers from dropped frames/torn frames, and lagging frame rates on 360.

UMVC3 suffers massive slowdown on PS3.

It's all in the programming software for varying hardware.

#26
Aluppoj said on October 22, 2013 at 9:22 p.m.

Edit:

I should note that the 360 version of SFxT does state that the lagging frame rates usually occur during moments when the player is not in control of their characters. I.E. Super/CrossArts/etc.

"Usually"

#27
bwinches said on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 p.m.

Just want to throw out requests to MarkMan for future next-gen sticks:

1. If it can lower price, just get rid of "turbo-function" all together. Bare-bones PCB with directional and button inputs only. Bare-minimal options like Left-stick, D-pad, etc. selection only.

2. No more SE/Brawl cases. Tekken Pro/Pro case molds or better from here on out.

3. Keep in the Sanwa parts. A non-game licensed stick is fine to keep cost down. Make it affordable and of true, professional competitor quality.

MarkMan, please make it happen.

#28
EnsignHiro said on October 22, 2013 at 10:08 p.m.

Yes!!!!!! Great news :)

#29
EG2 said on October 22, 2013 at 10:36 p.m.

Not according to MarkMan, who actually knows.

#30
JIHADJOE said on October 22, 2013 at 11:49 p.m.

AFAIK Arcade and PC are identical.

The arcade machine for SFIV is the Taito Type X², a Core2Duo E6400 PC with Nvidia GeForce 7900GS Graphics, running Windows XP Embedded.

All modern arcade machines now are actually PCs running Windows XP, which is why when KoF and Blazblue were ripped and leaked it was possible to run them straight on PC with a simple launcher that bypassed the hardware.

#31
JIHADJOE said on October 22, 2013 at 11:53 p.m.

^ just to add, the newer X Zero and X³ machines have upgraded to Windows 7 Standard Embedded, but basically they are still PCs.

PC port is the easiest port, it's just that sometimes they don't want to release it.

#32
Jevali said on October 23, 2013 at 1:26 a.m.

I agree that the turbo buttons should go.

Honestly, the only people that use them are people who cheat piano'ing. (is that really what madcatz wants to promote!?/?)

Plus they look dumb

#33
Jevali said on October 23, 2013 at 2:32 a.m.

Yo this also means that PS4 sticks will work on vita tv. as that comes with / uses a PS3 controller (though only one usb port)

#34
Sanox said on October 23, 2013 at 5:28 a.m.

tournament with ps4 and ps3 games. so pad warriors if they are comfortable with the ds4 only need to bring one pad.

#35
Bulletwithbatwings said on October 23, 2013 at 6:17 a.m.

I have a Qanba Q3 wireless and I'm planning on getting Injustice Ultimate edition, so I really hope legacy PS3 sticks work day 1.

#36
NigelMatip said on October 23, 2013 at 6:20 a.m.

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#37
MCZ_Ryu said on October 23, 2013 at 6:23 a.m.

I see what you did there

#38
shinra358 said on October 23, 2013 at 7 a.m.

please get rid of analog triggers! NOTHING uses them and it screws up fighting game play!

inb4usestic.....SCREW YOUR STICK!

#39
MrEibmoz said on October 23, 2013 at 7:04 a.m.

Sony has no investment in wired controllers and as such dont care if wired controllers work. They only care about their wireless pads. Markman (Mr Madcatz) is the one that has the investment and wants people to think that sticks wont work on either system.

I'll bet a tenner on it ;)

#40
Obliterate said on October 23, 2013 at 7:26 a.m.

GOOD FOR PS FANS LIKE MYSELF :)

#41
shinra358 said on October 23, 2013 at 7:33 a.m.

Nope. The screen is just as useless as the vita's backtouch screen.

#42
iMTopTier said on October 23, 2013 at 10:20 a.m.

why use a Ps4 controller on a Ps3? i think that will only work for those who go to tournaments other than that most people won't touch their Ps3 when the Ps4 comes out

i rather have Ps3 games on my Ps4

#43
DyingDeath7 said on October 23, 2013 at 10:28 a.m.

I pray that Sony makes 1st party wired controllers for us pad monsters. Even though this is cool and all, wouldn't the DualShock 4 be banned because it's a wireless pad?

#44
TheTHCGamer said on October 23, 2013 at 11:05 a.m.

Still we don't know if Sony might feel in the best interest of controller/arcade stick makers that they force people to buy new ones. Sony does after all want to have a good relationship after all with the people who make products for there consoles. Not only that but as I stated it forces people who own a PS4 to buy a PS4 controller.

Well see what happens but I'm not going to get my hopes up that PS3 controllers/arcade sticks will work on a PS4 without a converter.

#45
TheTHCGamer said on October 23, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.

True but as of now what PS4 fighting game is being released anytime soon? Not only that isn't using DS3 controllers more cost effective? Fighting games wreck control pads and I personally wouldn't have to dorm extra cash on a PS4 controller just in case mine broke down during tournament play.

Does anyone know what the price difference is going to be?

#46
TheTHCGamer said on October 23, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.

You sir get a like better news for me is having the ability to play PS3 games on my PS4. Not going to happen though which is a damn shame with the current library of games in general for the next gen being so limited.

#47
EnsignHiro said on October 23, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.

Triggers work fine for me

#48
Crayon said on October 23, 2013 at 3:15 p.m.

@39 Literally could not agree more, using L2 and R2 in fighting games is just wrong with them. Wish they'd been left as they were in the PS2 days.

#49
TheTHCGamer said on October 23, 2013 at 5:58 p.m.

Exactly which is why you buy an inpin converter and use PS2 controllers. It's more cost effective in the long run too because fighting games wreck control pads.

#50
Aluppoj said on October 23, 2013 at 7:15 p.m.

6 button on the face is a MUST for a pad!

#51
Neoxon said on October 24, 2013 at 6:49 p.m.

You realize that removing analog triggers would royally screw over racing game fans, as the Wii U GamePad & Pro Controller proved (great controllers, but I wish they had analog triggers).

It's not always about fighting game players, which make up the minority.

#52


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