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Canada Cup 2013 lost $20,000, tournament probably won't return next year

Posted by Catalyst
October 20, 2013 at 9:58 p.m. PDT

You may not be familiar with Lap Chi Duong, but you've likely heard of the event he runs.

While the Canada Cup has only been in existence since 2010, it's a name many people are familiar with in the fighting game community — for a variety of reasons.

Canada Cup 2013 lost a considerable amount of money though, about $20,000 CDN, Duong said in a recent interview with EventHubs.

It's unlikely that the tournament will return next year, Duong recently told us. "I told all my staff we're probably not going to be doing [another Canada Cup]," and he added that it takes a big toll on everyone to run the event every year.

"It's really not about the money sometimes," added Duong. "It's more about how much time I have to invest," he said noting that when he's putting so much effort into running a fighting game tournament, he's not able to put that into his business.

Lap Chi expressed that most people don't understand the amount of effort it takes to run a fighting game tournament.

"When I got married, I had about 450 guests at my wedding reception," said Duong. "Canada Cup is about 2x to 3x the work I had to do for my wedding."

Hit the jump to read on.

If you're losing money, why do you still run Canada Cup?

Considering the large financial investment and time spent, we asked a question probably on a lot of people's minds, why do you keep running fighting game events if you're losing money?

"I really love Street Fighter," said Duong. "I've been playing since Street Fighter 2 World Warrior came out and I love the competition, and love people getting hyped up to play each other.

"I do it for love of the game, and it's a great hobby," noted Lap Chi. He also said it gets his mind off of work.

He didn't do it just for his own personal enjoyment, though. Lap Chi is a big believer in his local scene and felt they had some great talent there that wasn't getting any recognition.

"I wanted Canadians to shine," said Duong. "We were never on the map, and no one was going to put us there. No one [around the world] even knew there was a scene in Canada," he said.

$8.95

A long running joke in the community has been $8.95, a reference to the 2011 Canada Cup stream which charged a fee to view the live video feed in HD, and have an ad-free viewing experience.

We asked Lap Chi why he charges a fee to view an HD stream for some of his events. "I'm just trying to recuperate some costs," Duong said. "It's already a big loss," and he added that without the stream fee — he'd be eating an even bigger hit to his pocketbook.

A big reason why Lap Chi ran another tournament this year is one of his business partners, Lawrence, offered to cover half of the losses for this year's event.

Duong of course wanted to have no losses, but with his business partner's promise to help, he went ahead again with this year's tournament.

"I just wanted to break even at least," said Duong. Unfortunately, that didn't happen, and this year's event ended up with a $20,000 loss.

You never know

We asked Duong if he could see the Canada Cup returning at some point in the future. "Possibly, as of right now I'm not sure. You never know," he said.

Duong mentioned that it's more likely they'd do some smaller events again, which they can "wing it" and have fun with, though.

Comments

Smorgasboard said on October 20, 2013 at 10:01 p.m.

This is what happens when you get something for free, someone else worked for nothing. Sad to see you go, Lap Chi.

#1
TheTHCGamer said on October 20, 2013 at 10:01 p.m.

That's a damn shame but I understand why hes doing it. That's way to much money and time to invest not to at least break even.

#2
yes4me said on October 20, 2013 at 10:03 p.m.

$20k! wow... it is sad that fighting games are not as popular as Starcraft 2 or LoL. I don't know you Lap Chi, but I wish you the best of luck!

#3
Puquripo said on October 20, 2013 at 10:05 p.m.

-$20K...

#4
Project_Letters said on October 20, 2013 at 10:12 p.m.

:(

#5
HardToSayNo said on October 20, 2013 at 10:13 p.m.
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this sucks but it was bound to happen, don't pretend to be someone your not lapchi. We know you have money but you made these events like it was your big birthday party.

#6
dtle007 said on October 20, 2013 at 10:14 p.m.

I think the bar bill post Canada Cup event padded that 20k lost. I recall it was 2k, they showed it on stream.

#7
Tensa said on October 20, 2013 at 10:16 p.m.

That sucks :(

#8
EMP_BrokeTier_Triforce said on October 20, 2013 at 10:17 p.m.

Lapchi is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now

#9
Earthboundimmortal said on October 20, 2013 at 10:17 p.m.

Danmm that's messed up.

#10
Mx_Paladin said on October 20, 2013 at 10:20 p.m.

One of the few doing it for the community/scene good man.

#11
Chris_IWS said on October 20, 2013 at 10:24 p.m.

Pretty crazy

http://instagram.com/p/e4Rq3KIyOC/#

#12
blaziner said on October 20, 2013 at 10:31 p.m.

amazing

why would anyone do anything at a lost?

good guy

#13
YouneverWIN said on October 20, 2013 at 10:35 p.m.

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#14
nusense said on October 20, 2013 at 10:40 p.m.

His after party\stream was godlike! Sad but too many people try to take advantage of him.

#15
SnakeX said on October 20, 2013 at 10:43 p.m.

Holy crap...at a 20k loss Lap Chi has absolutely no obligation to bring Canada Cup back. As great and entertaining as the event is, he's definitely making the right call because that much money lost isn't just something you can ignore.

#16
Mr_Mind said on October 20, 2013 at 10:49 p.m.

Wow, sad day for the FGC. Canada Cup was shaping up to be the second biggest tournament behind EVO and now it's gone. :/

Seriously, at 20k losses for that much effort who can blame you for wanting to stop.

#17
Echo01 said on October 20, 2013 at 10:50 p.m.

Another unfortunate reminder that the FGC is flat out broke in comparison to other competitive scenes. Can't blame Lap Chi at all for this decision.

#18
acku said on October 20, 2013 at 10:50 p.m.

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#19
Remondo02 said on October 20, 2013 at 10:54 p.m.
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If you complain then just stop making Canada Cup dude.
I don't understand...

#20
hursh said on October 20, 2013 at 11 p.m.

IMO if he decided that the 8.95 sub was there to help recuperate losses, he would have been better off making it 4.99 instead. A lot of people didnt sub just based off of how the first time they decided to make it sub only worked out poorly. Im not saying that it would have put a significant dent in the 20k, but definitely more people would be subbed and more money would have been made.

#21
soggytoast said on October 20, 2013 at 11:01 p.m.

8.95'd right out of existence.

#22
Cyberwaste said on October 20, 2013 at 11:09 p.m.

This is pretty much it. As soon as it's on the level with the heavy hitters in e-sports (LoL, SC and CS:GO to a lesser extent), we will always have to fight the good fight.

Unfortunately, doing it for the love of the game can only do so much in these times. Sad to see Lap Chi have to consider shutting up, but it's entirely justified.

#23
Smorgasboard said on October 20, 2013 at 11:10 p.m.

Why is no one suggesting kickstarter?

#24
dorayaki said on October 20, 2013 at 11:12 p.m.

Can't say I'm surprised that it ran at a loss... but 20k?

Although they had good intentions for fgc, it was terribly planned. Even people on this forum said 5v5 would suk. Pay stream chat? They want a "team tourney" niche but that just doesn't interest the West.

Lap Chi and Co, you want something successful? Revolutionize the western fight scene and run Superfights. No bs tourney where the same people win anyways. Run UFC style invitational bouts. Pay-per-view at $3.99 x10,000 viewers = net $40k. 20,000 viewers = $80k - not counting sponsors. Nemo vs ChrisG runback? PR Rog vs -R- best boxer? Kusoru vs Flocker vs FChamp 3way-winner-stays ft10?? Bala vs MadKOF? Could go on and on.

Tourneys are cool and all but 1) there are too many already and 2) not a whole lot of players willing to fly to Canada. Get the right niche and get paid like you should be.

My rant 4 tonight. I'm out.

#25
chipndip said on October 20, 2013 at 11:15 p.m.

It's an interview. E-Hubs asked, and he told them. He didn't cry from the rooftops for 5 days, or do what Spooky did when he was feuding with Fanatiq.

#26
alphagen said on October 20, 2013 at 11:18 p.m.

Low participants at locals tournament, and now this. Is the FGC lowering, or are we just in a transition right now?....

#27
kappademon said on October 20, 2013 at 11:20 p.m.

When you fly in all those foreigners, of course you will lose 20k...

#28
broz0rs said on October 20, 2013 at 11:25 p.m.

For the longest time, I have wondered how Lap Chi has been gathering all these top international talent to go to his tournament. With that type of loss, the expenses just has to go to paying a lot of these players to attend, i.e appearance fees. You also see his massive footing of dinner bills and money matches that he throws out to top players while he's drunk. A person's going to lose $20k really fast that way.

I hope it Canada Cup can now go back to what it was, which was more of a regional showcase.

#29
Xatsuna said on October 20, 2013 at 11:31 p.m.

If Evo dies then FGC dies. We go back to ancient dark age.

#30
Meegol said on October 21, 2013 at 12:02 a.m.

Probably has a lot to do with the distance, how many FGC people can really afford to fly to another country? Most of us have Jobs and/or go to school. Realistically 99% will not win anything so we're really going just to spend our cash for the "experience."

#31
Jaaj301 said on October 21, 2013 at 12:07 a.m.

To me, we're already in the ancient dark age. The FGC is dying again, as less and less people are into fighting games as of late. The SF4 boom has already died out, and now even the hardcore players are getting tired.

FGs will never reach the levels of LoL and Starcraft. It's just how it is, people should stop believing in the growth of fighting games and start realizing it's not worth the time and money.

#32
Wintry said on October 21, 2013 at 12:10 a.m.

Sad to see Canada Cup go, it was a really good tourney. Wish there was some kind of a fundraiser for the guy though, 20k is a big hit to take.

#33
Montsegur said on October 21, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.

You also have to wonder if there's simply too many events for the size of the community. I enjoy watching majors, but it's becoming like the UFC, there's just too many of them, and after awhile, you stop caring.

#34
CCG_Greg said on October 21, 2013 at 12:18 a.m.

Just an FYI to the people incorrectly assuming things:

1. Players did NOT have their flights paid for at Canada Cup 2013. They all came on their own dime / sponsor paid

2. The after party and other non-event related expenses are NOT included in the event costs. They are paid purely out of Lapchi's pocket and his own generosity.

#35
Zenman said on October 21, 2013 at 12:23 a.m.

Does anyone know if this is the norm for all tournaments, and if not what are they doing differently?

#36
Xatsuna said on October 21, 2013 at 12:25 a.m.
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Capcom Cup 2013 gonna be awesome. It is probably the last one since FGC is declining very fast. And failed Capcom games like Resident Evil 6 and Revelations did sell well. But it did not play out well. Bad reviewers scares new customer. RS6 was boring really boring :D

Well lets hope Capcom dont die. Capcom dies -> FGC dies.
Capcom should make a Star Wars fighting game with Disney. Star Wars is still popular and movies are released soon. Star Wars fighting Games would be good income for these fighting companies if they get a contract with Disney.

#37
getsaltier said on October 21, 2013 at 12:27 a.m.
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The loss came about because Lapchi wanted to show off with big extravagant payouts.

He knew going in that the tournament was going to be a big loss and still went ahead with it.

No one should feel bad for Lapchi because he knew what he was getting into.

#38
BlackMasamune said on October 21, 2013 at 12:33 a.m.
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"I really love Street Fighter," That's part of the problem right there. Maybe if Canada had an interest outside of just Capcom games the event would have done better.

.

#39
TehFamine said on October 21, 2013 at 12:35 a.m.

Umm, Capcom has not really supported their games or their community. Almost all the good of the community is driven by fans. Alex, Chen, David and etc are not paid Capcom employees. They are diehard fans who enjoy the game. They and more will always be here for you and I even if Capcom went bankrupt tomorrow.

#40
sergio_reyes_ said on October 21, 2013 at 1 a.m.

loss time and money for make a tournament ARE SERIOUSLY IN BANKRUPTCY IN CRISIS the only way to solve this problem is people's donation

#41
nusense said on October 21, 2013 at 1:06 a.m.

And yet the fgc Sh!ts on new companies like double helix\ms. Who obviously going to being in new money to the fgc.

#42
OhYouDontSayThat said on October 21, 2013 at 1:10 a.m.

cant blame em with that liquor bill lol

#43
Graymalkin said on October 21, 2013 at 1:10 a.m.

If you really think that would be successful, why aren't you doing it yourself?

(That was a rhetorical question, of course. We all know the answer.)

#44
Xatsuna said on October 21, 2013 at 1:12 a.m.

It is really thanks to those people, Alex Valle etc and so on. Makes Capcom holding a Capcom Cup. Without community tournaments Capcom Cup would never have existed.

So in some Way. Capcom is supporting the top players in the community for their hard work and their achievements from endless hours of training. Train hard, play hard, work hard, join tournaments, prove yourself. This is Capcom way of saying. We support your hard work and you have proven yourself to join our Capcom Cup.

What FGC really needs is E-sport sponsors to survive. Dota 2, LoL, Sc2 has all E-sport sponsors. We cant reject E-sport anymore. We have to go with the flow.

So to sum it up
1. Community [Most important]
2. Capcom [Support top players for their dedication]
3. FGC needs E-sport sponsors. We cant reject them anymore.
4. People needs to join E-sport FGC tournaments for the community to survive. Dont reject E-sport anymore.
5. What I am saying is that. We have to be more positive for changes to come. What most people are afraid of is change. People are afraid for the community to change and people trash talk E-sport sponsors.
6. BE MORE POSITIVE FOR CHANGE AND FGC WILL BECOME BIG. SUPPORT E-SPORT!

#45
GodPride said on October 21, 2013 at 1:16 a.m.

I think it's unfortunate that breaking even wasn't his breaking point. I would have faulted.

Maybe he'll use kickstarter to gather enough sympathy to recuperate some of the lose. I think there is more than a few generous people on here willing to give a helping hand however they can.

#46
jonz said on October 21, 2013 at 1:18 a.m.

A Star Wars fighting game would be really cool but i don't think Capcom should make it. Arcsys' style would probably fit Star Wars better.

#47
Xatsuna said on October 21, 2013 at 1:22 a.m.

Star Wars is big. And when Star Wars comes out the games will sell very well. EA developing Battlefront 3 will earn millions. Just imagine fighting game companies making Star Wars fighting games. That would make them very rich. I still dont understand why no game companies has contacted disney about this yet.

I think maybe FGC companies are also afraid of change. Narrow sense of vision and business :D! Star Wars ---> Big money but rich people that owns game companies dont understand.

#48
Eden said on October 21, 2013 at 1:27 a.m.

The World Game Cup might become the new 5v5 standard

#49
ednd30 said on October 21, 2013 at 2:11 a.m.

exactly oversaturated all sports have seasons something that should be given thought of too have tourneys like that if its always on ppl will lose interest

#50
ineedbackup said on October 21, 2013 at 2:36 a.m.

Too bad about CC, but I would like to see more Capcom tournaments (which they are doing). That way I don't have to put up with weird schedules/adverts/commentary and running these dead games for 8 hours when watching a stream before getting to the main games. I know a lot of people feel the same when they watch a tournament nowadays.

#51
HooliganComboFTW said on October 21, 2013 at 2:41 a.m.

That is depressing to hear, but not surprised. FGC glory days long gone.

#52
IntuitionImpulse said on October 21, 2013 at 2:45 a.m.

I'm sad to hear this, because Canada Cup is my favorite major, besides Shadowloo Showdown.
I knew before that LapChi was losing money on it, but 20k is a huge chunk of change for a hobby.
I heard that they didn't pay for flights this year either, so I'm not sure how they seemingly lost more this year (I think?) than previous years. Ideally they could come up with new ways to break even or earn some money. Maybe talk to some other TO's for ideas? But it's understandable, and sad, if CC doesnt return again next year. =\

#53
eddi said on October 21, 2013 at 3:32 a.m.

How about using Kickstarter to raise money to organize the event?

#54
JIHADJOE said on October 21, 2013 at 3:39 a.m.

Good guy Lap Chi.

Also, if any admins are reading, one of your ads was autoplaying audio. A ring tone like chime, so I'm guessing one of the sidebar ads here:

http://i.imgur.com/igjs24b.png

#55
nyhman78 said on October 21, 2013 at 3:51 a.m.

maybe cause they can't do it every year,but its sad Canada cup is one of the best tourneys:(

#56
nebbiez said on October 21, 2013 at 4:20 a.m.

It's a big shame because Canada Cup is such a hype tournament with a great international player turn out. But any type of event that loses $20k has obviously not had the right financial planning. I know Lap Chi is running the event mostly out of his own pocket for his love of the scene, he's not doing it to try and make a profit. But a loss of that much clearly shows there was a problem with the business model for the event. Possible solutions I can think of are:

- Raise tournament entry fee (will put off a lot of people)
- Lower prize winnings (less international players will show up?)
- Kickstarter fund raising (but how would that work with entry fees? no one will want to pay twice for the same tournament)
- Charge for everyone to watch streams (will alienate a lot of casual viewers)
- Reduce size of the event massively (maybe stick to only Street Fighter, Marvel and Injustice? maybe even just the first 2, make it a Capcom only event?)

Just my opinion.

#57
Super_Honda said on October 21, 2013 at 4:20 a.m.

Canada Cup is 1 of my favourite fighting game tournaments since it was introduced in 2010 and it'll be a shame if the tournament doesn't come back next year, but I can understand why from the financial and time aspect. Losing $20,000 is no joke and that's a lot of money to lose over just 1 tournament, let alone the fact that it's run by 1 man who did it for passion. When he compared the effort for his wedding to Canada Cup, it really does give a person an insight of how hard it is to run tournament, especially at a major level.

It's true that the community are the most important groups of people in FGC because without them, there is no FGC. However, at the same time, they can be the worst groups of people and some of them say things that really defies common sense and logic. You have 2 sets of brains to think and reflect, as well as using your intellect. For example, when I go on stream websites, you see people commenting on it and many of them are downright offensive and funny at times. But stream monsters are so bad that I will mainly watch live stream events on Eventhubs. Some of them may be sarcastic, but it's just too much at times. No wonder FGC is declining and not making any real growth.

Capcom is struggling at the moment and USF4 is coming next year. Since this will be the 5th version of SF4, don't expect USF4 to sell a lot, compared to the first 2 versions of SF4 because it's mainly hardcore players that will buy or download USF4. But I'm pretty sure Capcom is well aware of this and they must've set a reasonable target for sales. If USF4 does fail, then the future of Capcom fighting games is not looking good.

Let's see how well the new Killer Instinct does when it comes out and since Asia may not show a lot of interest in Western fighting games, KI will have at least some success in the West. But releasing the game in 2/3 parts over time to make it a full game is not good, especially for a fighting game that was last released in 1996. If that kind of practice succeeds, then many companies will use that model and it will not be good for fighting games. Sure that in the end, KI will cost $60 in total, but other games like TTT2 and DOA5 that were released over a year ago can be bought at a low price. Microsoft is not helping either by making KI (a game that needs time to be fully developed) as a launch game.

Anyway, if Canada Cup does come back next year, they will have to at least break-even or otherwise, they will make another huge loss. By saying that, the tournament may not come back because that's a hard target already.

#58
lordrockman said on October 21, 2013 at 4:30 a.m.

rip

#59
NYCraziSalvi516 said on October 21, 2013 at 4:36 a.m.

I'm sure lapchi lost money every year for CC but this year just went overboard.

#60
jimsauce said on October 21, 2013 at 4:53 a.m.

If you lose $20k running events, then the organizers are doing something wrong. It's not a problem w/ the scene. You can go to /r/Kappa and see that they're spending $3-5k on booze at the after party and flying out international players.

For those saying "Well that's not included in throwing the vent" that's probably not true. As a business owner, you'd better damn believe I'm claiming anything as a loss to put against my net profit to save against income taxes for the year.

#61
lukenvoy said on October 21, 2013 at 5:09 a.m.

wow. what? respect to this guy for pouring in time and money to make a good tourny in canuckleland

#62
shekeib said on October 21, 2013 at 5:19 a.m.

earlier posts said he did not spend any money on flying out people and did not include the amount he spent at the bars and after parties.

#63
JIHADJOE said on October 21, 2013 at 5:51 a.m.

The problem with charging for streams is a lot of poverty monsters don't even have access to a credit card. I'm thinking though, that instead of $8.95 for HD, they could have made it $1, or $1.99 mandatory instead.

In terms of monetizing the event, I think maybe Lapchi and his friends can bank on Canada Cup's excellent reputation the past 4 years and try and get some corporate sponsors.

Get rid of the games with low attendance, and change them for LoL or (insert eSports game here) so they can get more sponsors. Basically turn it into an international not just for Street Fighter, but for other games as well.

#64
saiferoth said on October 21, 2013 at 5:54 a.m.

The 8.95 picture you guys posted was a bit immature. I mean, isnt this supposed to be an atleast semi-professional website?

Its sad to see another TO go out. People seem to think that they are flowing with cash, but running tournaments is almost always a labor of love.

#65
Evorgleb said on October 21, 2013 at 6:04 a.m.

Im reading a lot of comments on here and this makes no sense to me. There is no way a even half way intelligent business man takes a $20,000 hit on a tournament. When you plan out a tournament the goal should always be to make a profit, even if only a little. I don't know LapChi but it sounds like there were tons of places expenses could have been cut but instead he tried to do it big. Heck look at the quote about his wedding,"When I got married, I had about 450 guests at my wedding reception". Really!?! 450 of your closest friends and family? Way over the top. This is clearly a man who knows how to spend money and does not know how to make it when it comes to being a TO. It will be sad to see Canada lose its big tourney but maybe this is the opportunity for someone who knows how to reign in the spending to take over.

#66
Kurow said on October 21, 2013 at 6:06 a.m.

Well the success of Canada Cup the previous years was the quality of the players and the variety but this year a lot of people were just not there and it was not as good as before. They said that it was because they were invited with all paid the previous year and not this year...

#67
shoryuken78 said on October 21, 2013 at 6:11 a.m.

(This user was banned.)

#68
VenomsFive said on October 21, 2013 at 6:16 a.m.

Just want to say I appreciate everything Lap Chi and others did to run the tournament. CC is/was so awesome!

#69
Smorgasboard said on October 21, 2013 at 6:21 a.m.

@66
You obviously have no idea how Chinese weddings work.

#70
Tryken said on October 21, 2013 at 6:26 a.m.

This is disappointing and worrying news. It makes me wonder if this is a sign that the scene is shrinking and if the grassroots model falls apart at higher levels. I've seen success financially at events like CEO, but that's with NOS Sponsorship and Jebailey seeming like an extremely business-minded fellow. Capcom can't really shoulder the financial responsibilities (Capcom won't even shoulder it for a new fighting game outside of Ultra). So what do you do?

Canada Cup was an event to look forward to. I'm sorry to hear it go. Good luck in your future endeavors.

#71
jonz said on October 21, 2013 at 6:28 a.m.

This is exactly why the FGC will never get big : player will never support a community, they will only support games they like and/or are decent at.

BTW, Capcom games survive partly thanks to people who play other games. Look at most of SF4 top players : they play for money, not because they like the game ; several of them have been very clear on that point. Kazunoko for example, is a very strong and popular Guilty Gear player (Inoue); he just wants the money and started playing SF4 at the exact moment when cash prizes started to appear in Japan.

Also, SF4 "specialists" seem to be extremely close minded compared to people who play other games. Eg, in the local tournaments i organize, people who do not like SF4 will play it to show some support. I have never seen any SF4 player accept to play any other game even if in doing so they would allow the tournament to happen (min 8 players for a game to be played in my events).

#72
Darklurkr23 said on October 21, 2013 at 6:47 a.m.

Should've played Girl Fight XD

Na seriously though that is sad. Problem why FG isn't growing is that most people are idiots who mash and don't want to take 5 minutes to learn have to QCF P.

#73
tidestick said on October 21, 2013 at 6:49 a.m.

Dude you hit right on the head. After a few years of watching the same tourneys, same players over and over it got a lil stale for me. I have not watched any tourneys since Evo and don't have any plans for future tourneys.

#74
GeneralSpecific said on October 21, 2013 at 6:50 a.m.

SF4 lost its way after Vanilla and Super SF4.

Sales were looking good.

Character diversity for both Vanilla and Super SF4 at the end of EVO looked just fine too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutio...
- 2009 and 2010

The right players were winning with the right characters.
Somehow something has gone wrong between now and then.

#75
AugustAPC said on October 21, 2013 at 7:06 a.m.

That really sucks to hear. I loved Canada Cup. I would suggest Kickstarter, but 20 grand is a quite a stretch. I would donate, though.

Thanks for all you've done, Lap Chi.

#76
BlankaBeast said on October 21, 2013 at 7:10 a.m.

@75

I think the game just got old and most players refuse to move to SFXT,

which, most that give it a chance, realize its the better game.

#77
Taizuku said on October 21, 2013 at 7:19 a.m.

I get tired of your kind of people. The people that bash Capcom games and ask why they don't play other kinds of fighting games. You want to know why? 2 reasons:

1. Most of those other companies don't always openly give money to help sponsor tournies.

2. The people that play those other games, don't show up. Why the hell would I give out thousands of dollars for the winner of a game with 25 entrants?

Maybe if you guys ACTUALLY SHOW UP, people would play those other games.

#78
mrdrofficer said on October 21, 2013 at 7:26 a.m.

CC will be missed. I also vote for the guys who suggested seasons, 5v5 tournament formats and kickstarted tournaments.

#79
kevontay said on October 21, 2013 at 7:28 a.m.

It's a bit ridiculous to lose $20k on a tournament, even one of that calibur.

I don't know exactly where the money was spent. Based on the comments, it was pissed away on flying international players out, and spending too much money on booze, food, and money matches.

#80
MCZ_Ryu said on October 21, 2013 at 7:30 a.m.

Ugh, I can't believe some of the ignorant comments people here are making. No matter what you do in the FGC, people will always criticize rather than support you. No wonder this community will never grow.

#81
foolly said on October 21, 2013 at 7:33 a.m.

The cost could have easily been covered but a lot of bums just demand everything be free. Well this is what happens.

#82
emp_misterwizards_waifus said on October 21, 2013 at 8:09 a.m.

Maybe you shouldn't spend over $2000 on alcohol alone next time.

#83
Sang said on October 21, 2013 at 8:17 a.m.

you guys are fcuking idiots to think it all went to booze and food.

maybe next time you guys should find a estimated quote to have a hotel venue for the weekend in Richmond BC and see how much it cost to fly some international players from China yet alone.

Considering Lapchi is from a different city in Calgary, hosting CC2k13 in Vancouver...

Instead of giving him your blessing and peace. Just a bunch of losers being a55holes, always sh1tting on him. he does it for the love of the game, he competes in sf4 harder than most of ya'll. WHAT DO FCUKING Losers DO FOR YOUR FGC?!?!

#84
Sang said on October 21, 2013 at 8:26 a.m.

Everyone got something really special out of nothing.

Funny how many people in the fgc don't appreciate sh1t hahaha.
Fcuk ya'll, don't deserve any more CanadaCup to be honest.

#85
Evorgleb said on October 21, 2013 at 8:36 a.m.

Here is the thing, Loving Street Fighter, loving your local community and competing hard does not mean you are good at running events. People are allowed to have their opinions whether you like them or not.

For some time I have been trying to get a event going here in Pittsburgh. But so far I have not been able to get the logistics working yet and I will not drop thousands of dollars into something that is not going to at least break even.

I respect lapchi for trying to do something for Canada but I do not feel he went about it in the smartest way. At least not if longevity was the goal.

He failed to figure out costs in advance and he failed to understand that the FGC is an entitled bunch that think that everything should be free.

#86
GeneralSpecific said on October 21, 2013 at 8:40 a.m.

#77 / BlankaBeast,

SF4 is by no means 'getting old'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLftD...

Solid footage and alot of it, as per usual.
And they're playing it in a Vanilla / Super SF4 style.
Might want to sit up and take notice of that while you still can.

Let us all know when you find a regular high quality top level SFxT feed.
Thanks.

#87
Sang said on October 21, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.

@ #86

I understand Evorgleb, what you say is totally valid.
but if you know lapchi, he is abit too ambitious i can say.

Its either a local tourney no one gives a sh1t about.
Or the most epic tourney the world will give a sh1t about.

Lapchi's original goal was a tourney no one ever seen before.
He already achieved it and thats i guess another check off the bucketlist.
LIke i said, its Lapchi. Its not so much about the money, its the time invested into CanadaCup. Time is way more valuable than money, money can't buy time.

I just get really upset that instead of people giving him his blessing. instead that people will just sh1t on him and say stop spending so much on booze and food. like really....
He just really enjoys the lime light...

#88
Sang said on October 21, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.

also, AE 2012 is at the end of it's life cycle.

right now, is the worst time for the fgc and it can only get worst.
until USF4 comes out, but i don't ever see that bringin in new players or ever going mainstream.

regardless, right now people just don't give a sh1t about SF4 right now. well.... more so the current version.

including myself, am i abit tired of updates and don't wanna invest my "time" into the game more than i did.
I just enjoy and love the game.

capcom should just do SF5...
like the ps4 and xbone is coming out soon...
liek really....

#89
Deen said on October 21, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.

You're a f*cking dumb*ss. That's just a treat to everybody.

#90
GeneralSpecific said on October 21, 2013 at 9:07 a.m.

Oh and thanks to the Canada Cup crew for the last few years.

It's been fun to watch the SF4 international five on fives. =]

#91
Galaxy said on October 21, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.

I am seriously not trying to be a smart ass with this question, but how exactly did he lose $20,000? The article never really explained how exactly, and I don't know if it was because he didn't want to say, or what, but I am seriously drawing a blank. Nevertheless, I am sorry to hear Canada Cup might not be back, because it was a really good tournament; hopefully someone else will help pick up the slack for all those player up there in Canada.

#92
nusense said on October 21, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.

5v5 had 10k pot bonus alone. He flew out james chen\gooteks and his cc crew to the event.

#93
Erawan said on October 21, 2013 at 9:41 a.m.

Like has been mentioned in previous articles, the biggest cost is the venue fee. I don't know what the fee was, but you can bet it was a big part of that $20,000.

#94
V3N0MB1T3 said on October 21, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.

Damn that really sucks to hear, but in the end I think its for the best. CC was getting kinda stale and the competition (aside from Japan and East Asia) really wasn't showing up. I remember back when the first one was run how competitive it felt not just with Japan 1 and 2 there but with Teams like Canada giving Europe an upset and America giving Japan a run for its money. Since then its been one huge Asian domination. Turnout was also looking to fall. Looking in the background during the cast more then half the seats were empty during PREMIERE events like the 5v5 finals and SFIV and Marvel 3 Grand Finals. People just aren't as interested like they used to be...:/

#95
Xykes said on October 21, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.

Capcom is usually a sponsor for many of these tournaments, including EVO.

Also, do you not remember all the FREE fight clubs?

Do you not remember the FREE REALITY SHOW, open to all of us to enter?

Do you not rememeber the FREE HALF A MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT? It was less than a year ago, you couldn't have already forgotten.

Heck, even as we speak, FOUR FREE ONLINE tournaments are being held, where the winner gets flown out to CA to take part in Capcom Cup. Where does the money for stuff like this come from?

But, yeah, Capcom does nothing for the community. Right.

#96
emp_misterwizards_waifus said on October 21, 2013 at 10:21 a.m.

And look where the "free reality show" went, now everyone hates FGC. GOOD JOB CAPCOM!

#97
RedRapperSux said on October 21, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.

Dark times are in store for the FGC.

#98
disp said on October 21, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.

The stubborness of $8.95 killed the tournament. When they saw no one paid that much the first time around, why try to charge the same amount again and again?

A price around $3 to $5 would have attracted way more people. I've seen only a handful of users in the paid chat this year.

#99
JimmyLoves said on October 21, 2013 at 10:37 a.m.

Very sad to see this.

Don't know if Lap Chi reads any of the stuff but... I would happily pay 8.95 for a future Canada Cup. You guys always put on a great tournament with the best competitors from around the world.

It must be very hard to get big sponsor money because the FGC is such a small competitive niche. So many games, with so few competitors.

I hope you change your mind and try and make it happen next year. If not, thanks for the hard work!

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