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Hope you like this! Yun's EX Command Grab kara throw has range comparable to Zangief's SPD in SSF4 AE v2012

Posted by Catalyst
November 4, 2013 at 6:34 p.m. PST

The rich get richer, as a kara version of Yun's regular and EX Command Grab was recently discovered by Ryu_Apprentice in Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012.

This gives Yun's EX Command Grab comparable range to Zangief's Spinning Piledriver (SPD). It's performed by kara-canceling his command grab from an EX Shoulder.

Note that for some reason, if you kara an EX strike attack into a normal command throw, it won't burn meter. Hit the jump to see the clip, along with an explanation of how it's performed.

Comments

DragonEXecuTionER said on November 4, 2013 at 6:42 p.m.

ok, why does zangief have a uncle ruckus face in that picture?

#1
spotlesseden said on November 4, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.

Yun is not rich. He is just a normal character. Only kazunoko can do anything with him.

#2
DarknessFallz said on November 4, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.

Just what Yun needed....yay....

#3
BlackGuile said on November 4, 2013 at 6:50 p.m.

Please, Id rather Yun be on the top of the tier list than having paid for a character that was nerfed to mid tier.

#4
GeneralSpecific said on November 4, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.

I suspect the game isn't subtracting the one bar of meter used for the EX move until later on in the move. ie: frame 5 or later.

Kind of how you can make Ryu burn off meter for throwing an EX fireball without the EX fireball actually coming out.

Maybe they should extend the hurtbox of the shoulder startup in the same way they did it to the fireballs.

Totally fair, of course!

#5
Ryu_Apprentice said on November 4, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.

thanks for the feature Eventhubs!

#6
2101RYU said on November 4, 2013 at 7:07 p.m.

yeah, it won't burn the meter on the first frame. this is the same thing that happens with armor cancels. it's been known since like 2008.

#7
TheTHCGamer said on November 4, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.

Yun is a solid character but your crazy if you think Kazunoko is the only one who can do anything with him. Im sure there are quite a few great Yun players out there.

#8
AngryAssassin said on November 4, 2013 at 7:14 p.m.

Because he doesn't "TRUST DAT NEW TECH~ OVAH DEAH!!!!"

#9
spotlesseden said on November 4, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.

name me one who can use Yun for the entire tournament(not just for counterpick) that can make top 8 at majors and can beat alot of top players like Daigo, infiltration, Jwong. hell infiltration doesn't counterpick other random Yuns(not even Ryan hart's Yun) other than Kazunoko's yun.

#10
Shintakuma said on November 4, 2013 at 7:37 p.m.
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Oh great, give this punk more moves for people to abuse! Thanks Capcom..you freaking lames

#11
IMainDanHibiki said on November 4, 2013 at 7:45 p.m.

Yun is Mid tier, yet people are still complaining about him. You guys are going to make him Dan tier before long if you keep up your whining.

Learn the matchup, and get tech of your own to use against Yun. He can't FADC his invincible reversal, he suffers from huge damage scaling due to the nature of his combos, and he has below average health and stun.

Deal with it guys.

#12
goldengol said on November 4, 2013 at 7:55 p.m.

yun theme remix is GODLIKE

#13
BigFraud said on November 4, 2013 at 8 p.m.

Pls Capcom buff Yun BibleThump

#14
Catalyst said on November 4, 2013 at 8:20 p.m.

Yun mid-tier? Hrm. I have yet to see a tier list from a top player with Yun in anything but a highish tier spot.

Not the top players know everything, but Yun being pretty darn good in AE v2012 I thought was generally accepted as truth now.

#15
RedEther said on November 4, 2013 at 8:24 p.m.

@2 You don't sound very motivated Vergil would be ashamed.

#16
soggytoast said on November 4, 2013 at 8:24 p.m.

Yun is midtier? Bwahahahaha!

This character got more cheese than pizza hut!

#17
Taizuku said on November 4, 2013 at 8:57 p.m.

Because everyone knows midtier is unplayable.

#18
Daedae22 said on November 4, 2013 at 9:19 p.m.

Technically you paid for all the characters.....

#19
BlackGuile said on November 4, 2013 at 9:22 p.m.

More like because everyone is more comfortable with the same old characters being high tier.

#20
mundaney said on November 4, 2013 at 10:07 p.m.

Welp, I'm hitting the lab tomorrow.

#21
DevilMaySpy said on November 4, 2013 at 10:24 p.m.

People always forget about Hsien-Chang :/

#22
JuriTheSpider said on November 4, 2013 at 10:56 p.m.

Yun is top ten but probably around 8 or 9

#23
IMainDanHibiki said on November 4, 2013 at 10:57 p.m.

I'm by no means a high-level player, but I've always considered Yun to be an upper-mid character in AE 2k12.

He's balanced enough in the fact that he has to take risks; unlike in normal AE he's a high risk, high reward character, in my experience. One screwup can mean death for Yun.

This is just my opinion though, I'm sure that people will disagree with me there. I just find Yun to be good, but not really as good as people to make him out to be. Apologies for sounding so aggressive.

#24
DrDucker said on November 5, 2013 at 12:22 a.m.

WHERE IS THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE WORDPLAY IN THE TITLE?

#25
Nukka said on November 5, 2013 at 12:55 a.m.

Damn, does Yang get an extended kara command grab? Yang really needs it more than this guy lol

#26
yunbelievable said on November 5, 2013 at 1:13 a.m.

Yun is probably 11th or 12th best character in the game. I could easily name 10 characters better than him. The people that think he "doesn't need more tech" are hilarious. The only people that rank him that high are people who have never played him. Learn him before you complain about him. His dive kick is easily focus-able and - above the waist. His command grab is 10 frames for non-ex, 8 for ex... that's super risky and one of the slowest command throws in the game. His normals are decent at best in the midrange, and all of his long pokes are slow (12f st.hk, 10f sweep with terrible range, 10f st.hp, sweep only does 65 damage if you want hard knockdown). His damage is low for a character in his class (cammy, akuma, makoto, etc all much higher damage characters). I struggle to find a reason that people put him in top ten. He's like a worse version of Rufus and Cammy.

#27
Ryu_Apprentice said on November 5, 2013 at 1:14 a.m.

unfortunately Yang doesn't get the same treatment

#28
IMainDanHibiki said on November 5, 2013 at 1:18 a.m.

Precisely why I think he's upper-mid.

#29
sergio_reyes_ said on November 5, 2013 at 1:23 a.m.

truth there are many player yun do well

#30
Raven said on November 5, 2013 at 1:35 a.m.

I doubt Yun is high tier. He was way overnerfed, when all he needed was damage reduction and a few adjustments...

Just like Yang, the effort is not worth the payoff.

#31
mortal said on November 5, 2013 at 2:10 a.m.

you could already easy kara tenshin EX after 2x cr.MP with :
cr.MP cr.MP 632146KK.
i'm not sure i understand what he is doing and how it is a shoulder ex kara.
i read something like 621232147 PPP~PPPK (what would be the exact input ?? 6323 *SRK motion* 214 *tenshin motion* 7 *jump cancel motion lol* ) PPP~PPPK
i hope it's not that hard to input otherwise it will be quite useless.
Plus people are often mashing lights or SRK after 2 x cr.MP ^^

#32
mortal said on November 5, 2013 at 2:34 a.m.

he is not high tier, he is hard to play. But he is fun to play, so i don't care, i won't play ryu and be a camper :) not a question of "being worth to be played" !

#33
Lockm said on November 5, 2013 at 4:19 a.m.

"Camper"? Really?

#34
mortal said on November 5, 2013 at 4:33 a.m.

well it depends on people. But i really often see ryu "zoning", throwing a fireball if safe from afar, some 2MK fireball, doing nothing, and if he gets a knockdown thx to his camping (anti air, 2HK), then goes to safe jump a frame trap & throw. and that's all. Which is a bit camper and a bit boring. Maybe you try to play more agressively, congrats :) but usually, it's this. + mashed SRK if yun goes to cc with ryu lol

#35
mortal said on November 5, 2013 at 4:39 a.m.

anyway, my point is, yun is fun to play, don't care if it's hard, i'm even more proud when i get a win vs better tiered characters.

and i'm not sure if this kara throw is really effective, meaning not too hard to do. I just know that 632146KK after 2xcr.MP works and is easy.

#36
Miniabel said on November 5, 2013 at 4:46 a.m.

Like I said, Capcom must be serious and fix the game...

#37
CyberAthlete said on November 5, 2013 at 5:28 a.m.

Inb4 people act like this will be easy to use in a match

#38
MuMuGuy said on November 5, 2013 at 5:41 a.m.

Even though they went too far with the Yun nerfs, at least hasn't earned a seat in the Nerf Victims Association (hereafter NVA).

The current members of the NVA are:
* Johnny (GGXX -> GGXX #Reload)
* Kano (MK9 @ launch -> final patch MK9)
* Rachel Alucard (BB Calamity Trigger -> BB Continuum Shift)
* Sean (2nd Impact -> 3rd Strike)

The game is too new, but Eliot from DOA5U might earn a seat in the NVA. He was systematically nerfed throughout the series. He was mid tier in DOA4, got nerfed into being bottom tier in DOA5 vanilla and received even more nerfs in DOA5U.

#39
IMainDanHibiki said on November 5, 2013 at 6:46 a.m.

Next EventHubs poll incoming: Is Yun Top, High, or Mid tier? Kappa

#40
EMP_BrokeTier_Triforce said on November 5, 2013 at 6:51 a.m.

If you guys complain about Yun, I'd HATE to hear you guys play against a competent Cammy player. People complaining about Yun is just mind-boggling to me.

If you crybabies complain about characters, complain about the ones who actually need nerfs. Cammy touches you twice and that's 600 damage + you're stunned. If Yun touches you twice, that's MAYBE 350 damage and half stun.

#41
devilcuco said on November 5, 2013 at 7:01 a.m.

Yun is top 15, no way top 10. I think he needs a few buffs. They went too far with the v.2012 wall of text of nerfs.

#42
Daedae22 said on November 5, 2013 at 7:07 a.m.

Just do yourself a favor shut up and go back to your anime fighters kid.

#43
shekeib said on November 5, 2013 at 7:21 a.m.

Tier lists where Yun is mid tier:

Kazunoko's list - feb 2012
SRK community -nov 2012
Eventhubs community list - mar 2012
Mago - feb 2012
Daigo - nov 2012
Uryo - nov 2011
Kyoku Arcadia Mag - jun 2012

those are kinda old, but Yun can be considered mid-tier, IMHO.

#44
shekeib said on November 5, 2013 at 7:28 a.m.

sentinel?
MvC2 to UMvC3

nvm, i got him confused with whack-bot.

#45
manoelmfs1 said on November 5, 2013 at 7:43 a.m.

...GET READY!!!!!!!!!

#46
BumbleBee said on November 5, 2013 at 8:23 a.m.

Oh yeah... what a discovery ! You need some tech that uses meter, so you can get just enough range. Meanwhile Zang just randomly throw everyone.

#47
ycz6 said on November 5, 2013 at 10:14 a.m.

Do you even read? The EX move doesn't consume any meter if you kara cancel it early enough.

#48
caruga said on November 5, 2013 at 11:57 a.m.

He should have saved releasing this gem until after ultra comes out. :P

#49
soggytoast said on November 5, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.

Oh where to start with this.

Divekick is not punishable with focus unless they do it really high on the body and you are already at level 2. When the Yun player is not that dumb, Yun can upkick you to punish or backdash to safety. It becomes a metagame where he has to guess upkick and you have to guess backdash.

Yun has some of the best mid pokes in the game. His hitboxes are absurdly good and he has a huge advantage in the neutral game. Frame data doesn't matter when he can just position himself out of range and press whatever button he wants without risk.

The command grab is slow but it's still effective due to how good his blockstrings are. Under pressure, Yun demands respect because he can frametrap you into a full combo at many ranges, not just point blank.

His divekick vortex game is S-tier stuff. The divekick can cross up quite often (actual cross up, not just cross through but still block forward like other divekick characters).

He's a smidge below Cammy, but he's straight up better than Rufus. He has all the same advantages as Rufus but better vortex and better neutral game.

I cannot name ten characters better than Yun. This is as far as I can get:

Akuma
Cammy
Seth
Fei Long
C.Viper
Sakura (Arguable)
Adon (Arguable)

#50
so13 said on November 5, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.

lol there's still noob crying about Yun in 2014

#51
GeneralSpecific said on November 5, 2013 at 4:53 p.m.

Yeah soggytoast has it just about right.

That makes Yun top tier, or just outside that stable.
Whats the point of having an invincible reverssal when its been so badly gimped it can barely be used for what it was originally designed for?

It' all about those hitboxes baby!

#52
JIHADJOE said on November 5, 2013 at 10:15 p.m.

@5,7
Actually it burns the meter on the first frame, but since you cancel the move into something else before any of the active frames come out it returns the meter as well.

The game is like 1) Ex lunge! That'll be one meter please! and then later on it's like 2) Oh wait so you wanted command grab? Oh well here's your meter back.

#53
mortal said on November 6, 2013 at 2:20 a.m.

"Just do yourself a favor shut up and go back to your anime fighters kid."

lol who is the kid, to talk trash like that :)
i don't even understand why you said that, for free ?
i just said
-i enjoy playing yun
- the kara 632146KK already exists and does almost the same

at least i said one constructive thing. But i'm the kid i know :p

btw, i'm 39, "kid"

#54
mortal said on November 6, 2013 at 2:28 a.m.

"Divekick is not punishable with focus unless they do it really high on the body"

?? i got focus crumpled very often after diving and block. Very very often. So ok, let's say, i'm predictable, but either way, it doesn't seem hard to punish dive kick with focus.

2) about normals, there are some competitors where it's hard for yun. Dictator, zangief, and especially boxer. He has the tools, but i don't think it's 'S' tier

3)indeed the command grab is slow, it works only if the opponent is very defensive and afraid of frame traps.

and about frame traps, yun is not that great, not better than anybody else i think.

and he doesn't have DP focus cancel :)
---------
he is good, but not S tier, nothing like Seth & Gouki, and not even above ryu. But he is hard to play, you cannot play him easily

#55
ProfessorLester said on November 6, 2013 at 5:40 a.m.

Anji from Slash to Accent Core.

#56
jberry05 said on November 6, 2013 at 7:25 a.m.

Despite the fact that your requirements for a character being good (making top 8 at a major, beating the top, world-class players, etc.)

Hsien Chang and Kindevu are 2 great yuns that I thought of instantly

#57
BipolarTroll said on November 6, 2013 at 10:19 a.m.

Everytime I hear Yun say "Hope you like this", I just want to respond with "No. I NEVER DO!". But back to the topic, this is entirely new to me, so I think its incredible tech.

#58
yunbelievable said on November 10, 2013 at 12:24 a.m.

Here's what you have to do to deal with dive kicks. Once you see him leave the ground, you start charging. If he drops to the ground, you back dash and you're safe. If he dive kicks, you punish him or backdash. That's it. 75% of the characters in the game can do this. And really? You're saying his uppercut makes his dive kick good? You can just block and punish for a million damage when he uppercuts and can't FADC it. If you block, oh no, he's in, but if you read he's going to not uppercut and just do normals, just mash jab or uppercut with your own. Also, anywhere above the belt blocked and he's negative. Period. That's a joke compared to Rufus' dive kick, which can also be done instantly, as well as cammy's. Your reasoning on why Yun's dive kick is good is so bad. I bet you've never played as Yun. If you did you'll realize he's nowhere near as good as you think he is. He's upper-mid, not top 10 though.

As for his pokes, sure, he has some decent hitboxes, but the long range pokes (notice I said long range, like ones that can contend with any character that has decent normals at sweep range) are very, very slow. I use Yun's normals on the ground because I have to, because his dive kick is a dangerous and risky tool to use. His dive kick has 6( !!!) frames of recovery compared to the normal 4.

Yun's frame traps aren't any better than most characters. NO ONE falls for low strong into low strong anymore. That's pretty much all he has. He doesn't have a slower normal that you can use after a low strong that can beat crouch tech mashing, which also beats command grab. Also, other mixup characters similar to yun have higher damage than he does.

And finally we get to his crossup dive kick mixups. Did you know that you can negative edge autocorrect any crossup dive kick that he can combo off of because he has to hit deep? Sure, you can aim to make an uppercut whiff, but if they don't uppercut you're -1 to even at best on block and +2 on hit. His crossup dive kicks wouldn't work half as well if people just learned the matchup. It's hilarious that it's been so long since Yun's been released and people still haven't gone into training mode to learn how to beat these things. The difference between Cammy, Akuma, Viper, and Rufus' mixup games is that they can be 100% safe AND still combo if it hits.

Here's 10 characters easily better than Yun:

Adon (most people these days think he's top 6ish)
Cammy
Rufus
Cammy
C.Viper
Ryu
Seth
Fei Long
Sagat
Balrog

The funny part is that I could name a couple more. I didn't even include Sakura, who most people also consider top 10 these days.

#59
yunbelievable said on November 10, 2013 at 11:43 a.m.

Just realized I put Cammy twice. It's cool. I'll just put Sakura as the 10th.

#60
yunbelievable said on November 10, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.

When was the last time Kindevu ever played Yun? He plays viper now, like he always has. He only played Yun in AE and very casually now. Hsien Chang is a very strong player but it's been ages since he's even come close to winning a major.

#61


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