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Ryan Hart: TTT2 is heavier than SFxT or KoF13 - I might take a step back from SSF4 AE v2012 and put in more time for Tekken to prepare for EVO 2013

Posted by Steven 'Dreamking23' Chavez • May 26, 2013 at 6:31 p.m. PDT
Put That Back conducted an interview with Western Wolves' Ryan Hart back during Final Round 16 to talk about a wide array of subjects.

Hart discusses how Tekken is a game that needs to be a player's main focus if they hope to become solid at it. He states that it takes a bit more focus than games such as Street Fighter X Tekken, King of Fighters 13 and that he may be taking a step back from playing Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012 soon in order to get better at Tekken Tag Tournament 2 for EVO 2013.

Check out what Ryan had to say in the interview below.

Tip by Chris Bahn.

Comments

TheTHCGamer said on May 26, 2013 at 6:34 p.m.

Lol leave SFxT alone the top stories for that game these days are the pc mods.

#1
huber said on May 26, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.

Yes! Good stuff. Play Tekken!

#2
whens_marvel said on May 26, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.

That's what I like to hear. Ryan Hart has always been a great Tekken player, hope he does well at Evo.

#3
UltraTien said on May 26, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.

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#4
SqueakyBloom said on May 26, 2013 at 6:51 p.m.

TTT2 is a fun game (Only Tekken I like) as well a complex game, but it is the most boring 3D fighter out there.

#5
Loryuo said on May 26, 2013 at 6:55 p.m.

Most boring 3D fighter? That was funny....

#6
TheTHCGamer said on May 26, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.

&5 That's your opinion I'm sure some people consider it the funnest 3D fighter out there.

#7
dro2191 said on May 26, 2013 at 7:02 p.m.

thats wassup tekken tag 2 has the most depth of any fighting game out there today keep it up

#8
MaRayearth said on May 26, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.

Tekken is a game that is fun to play, rather than watch :D

#9
Loryuo said on May 26, 2013 at 7:06 p.m.

I can agree with that atleast. Not outright saying that the game is boring.

#10
ShinzoBishamon said on May 26, 2013 at 7:13 p.m.

Personally I believe both Tekken and KOF are equally extremely deep. Both are games where you have to main to be extremely good, both are games where the character you pick doesn't matter if your trash at the game your trash regardless of your character. But as always I commend Ryan Hart for all the hard work he puts in and always speaking his truth :p

#11
MaRayearth said on May 26, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.

I also agree with Ryan that if you want to be good, real solid in Tekken, you have to main the game. Meaning you have to expose yourself to high level play as much as possible, as often as you can, and try to fight as many different characters and styles as you can possibly find. That's what I love about the game... there's always something new to learn. =)

#12
Neclord said on May 26, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.

TTT2 is solid.

But I prefer SFxT atm. Version 2013 is godlike. =)

#13
RunningWild said on May 26, 2013 at 7:27 p.m.

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#14
FightDirty said on May 26, 2013 at 8:09 p.m.

IDK, I find TTT2 both fun to play AND watch. It requires a lot of strategy and execution. One wiffed attack can lead to loosing a massive amount of health.

Definitely one of the best fighting games available at the moment.

#15
solidgear91 said on May 26, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.

Just recently picked up TTT2 and hope to have a lot of fun with it. I might just have to stop playing AE in order to manage time between that and KoF XIII.

#16
urien said on May 26, 2013 at 8:29 p.m.

not a tekken fan but TTT2 is way better than that gem fighter with the weirdest juggle system you will see

#17
orochi_kyo said on May 26, 2013 at 8:41 p.m.

Who is this guy anyway???

#18
TheTHCGamer said on May 26, 2013 at 8:59 p.m.

@17 Agreed.

#19
spectaa said on May 26, 2013 at 9:02 p.m.

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#20
Green016 said on May 26, 2013 at 9:31 p.m.

Not like he has any chance to win AE anyway at EVO. Just stating a fact, I got no problem with Mr.Hart.

#21
thf24 said on May 26, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.

@14 I agree. I feel like in the case of KOF, people tend to mistake the high execution barrier for depth and overall difficulty.

#22
chipndip said on May 26, 2013 at 9:36 p.m.

Well, after listening to the interview a bit:

He's saying Tekken's more demanding than SF X TKN and KOF, in the sense that THOSE games are more demanding than other games that'd be compared to them. We all know about KOF's reputation, and SF X TKN's been talked about as the game that forces you to have solid fundamentals and a solid ground game. He's saying Tekken's even more demanding than these two games, which is true and respectable. Any move coming from any angle can be a random mid or low, and all you have to help decide that are the few fractions of a second that prelude the attack. Which could be one in a hundred different attacks...for every character in the game...which caps out at about 44 iirc. That's A LOT of match-up knowledge so you don't get clipped in the legs or kicked in the face.

#23
Erichful said on May 26, 2013 at 11 p.m.

Who knows wats gonna happen - GRAND FINALS - JDCR vs. ryan hart???

#24
ProfessorLester said on May 26, 2013 at 11:02 p.m.

So much drama from Final Round this year

#25
Remondo02 said on May 26, 2013 at 11:13 p.m.

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#26
solidsnake37 said on May 26, 2013 at 11:49 p.m.

Ryan Hart is a chill ass nigga with a cool ass accent.

#27
Evilhero said on May 27, 2013 at 12:56 a.m.

I love Tekken, but he's right, you need to focus on it almost exclusively. Match ups, frame data, punishes, etc.

Heck, it takes hours of practice just to move properly... It's almost the complete opposite in execution as far as 2D fighters go, the more difficult mechanical movements involve the joystick, rather than the button presses.

I'm glad to hear Ryan Hart might go back. Some of my first exposure to Tekken was watching his Julia play at EVO2k4.

#28
BoscaBat said on May 27, 2013 at 4:37 a.m.

Nice too hear.

#29
doomOVER9000 said on May 27, 2013 at 4:54 a.m.

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#30
MaRayearth said on May 27, 2013 at 5:32 a.m.

#15 THE best in my opinion ^_^

#30 You're probably not a very good player if you're having issues with Deathfist spamming Pauls or double Law scrubs...

#26 Don't forget Bode...

#28 Yeah... sometimes I wonder why even things that should be simple (movement) are complicated in this game... you don't need to be a god to backdash in SF, but you do in Tekken :/

And yes, KOF is a simple game to understand and pick up. The barrier in it is really the execution for those long death combos, nothing more. This doesn't mean it's a bad game. I love KOF, I like it and I've played all the older games.

#31
BillyBob said on May 27, 2013 at 7:13 a.m.

I was a scrub who said Europe was free but they made me eat my words and proved me wrong. Shout outs to Europe.

And Tekken rules. Only fighter that made me think about it constantly when I was playing it seriously. I don't see how it's boring to watch compared to other 3D offerings out there but that's just me.

#32
sprflyspdrguy said on May 27, 2013 at 7:44 a.m.

DAT FGC Knowledge fresh off the dome from, Prodigal son! Good s***, Ryan! Very wise words!

#33
AnbuBardock said on May 27, 2013 at 8:15 a.m.

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#34
Gotomaster said on May 27, 2013 at 8:20 a.m.

#21 What you are stating isn't fact, but speculation. This is Ryan Hart were talking about, he is maining a game which will also have tougher competition, since he hasn't played Tekken all that much, and is expected to face multiple Infiltrations in the form of JDCR, Sunchip, Holeman and Knee, etc.. If anything he will have a harder time in Tekken than he will Ae or any other game.

#35
Gotomaster said on May 27, 2013 at 8:22 a.m.

#34 You're one those, aren't you?

#36
Loryuo said on May 27, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.

#34 I thought Eventhubs was trying to keep the comment section troll free. Atleast from the obvious ones.

#37
doomOVER9000 said on May 27, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.

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#38
chipndip said on May 27, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.

@38: OBVIOUSLY you're scrubbier than you look. You hate on every game I've seen you comment on but AE, and when you finally give a reason why, it's TOTALLY false. The damage scaling is the exact same as AE's so that we don't have one-touch-kills and 500 damage combos off of jab confirms. If you're not getting the damage you want, then you're not doing good combos to begin with. But hey, it's easy to poof up faults on the fly instead of actually know anything about the game.

As for Tekken, I don't even know how to respond to that...

#39
ReddChief said on May 27, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.

This dude say some of the stupidest stuff Tekken lmao i guess he tired of the pressure of trying to win in SSF4 & SFxT not many people to compete with in Tekken so that should be easier

#40
TheTHCGamer said on May 27, 2013 at 10:07 a.m.

^Yea cause lots of people compete and take SFxT serious LMFAO.

#41
whens_marvel said on May 27, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.

@40 Tekken is bigger than SF4/SFxT in the east, and a lot of Koreans/Japanese are coming to Evo for Tekken. Stay free.

#42
chipndip said on May 27, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.

@41: It had the 4th most entrants in this tourney. Many top players still play the game despite mindless bashing from guys like you. It's not "the number one thing out right now", but seeing how its initial release was downright horrid, it's surviving solely on being good enough to merit putting work into, rather than "I don't really like it, but since everyone's playing it, I play it" that I continually hear from dudes that play Marvel (AE too, but less so).

@42: I honestly didn't know that. I knew about Korea, but not Europe.

#43
JinZo said on May 27, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.

Great nostrils of wisdom.

#44
ReddChief said on May 27, 2013 at 11 a.m.

@42 Yea in the East barely but in the West its not poor sales low tournament entrants yea its big alright and people come to EVO to play all games but the entries for Tekken will never come even close to SSF4 or SFxT so yea stay free

#45
Gotomaster said on May 27, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.

#45 I see you're one of those.

#46
Loryuo said on May 27, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.

#45 It's cool that you feel Capcom games are superior, but you really should think before you type.

#47
SKILL said on May 27, 2013 at 11:56 a.m.

TTT2! My main GAME!";)

#48
doomOVER9000 said on May 27, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.

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#49
ShinzoBishamon said on May 27, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.

What is with all the game bashing, theres absolutely no reason for it.

#50
MaRayearth said on May 27, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.

#38 I can't believe it, but I agree with you... scaling is the one and only thing I hate about that game. I'd rather see 80% combos and setups and 20% zoning than the other way around.

#45 You really don't have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Allow me to remind you that TTT2 sold a lot more than your dear Marvel, for instance... the reason why this game doesn't have as many entrants in US tournaments as it should is because online players are afraid to attend, thinking that they can't win. And, as Ryan said, you really need to main the game to be good at it while the games you mentioned can still be played more casually and be more easily rewarding.

#51
Technically_BetR said on May 27, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.

Been a Tekken player and fan since Tekken 2. The main problem with Tekken now is its too juggle friendly. Once upon a time you actually had to practice for hours trying to nail juggles worthy of real damage or praise. Now every character and whatever level of player can spend 2 hours in training just practicing that 1 combo that would probably win the match. Tekken 5/DR were the best. Tekken 6 lost the plot and Tag 2 is pretty cool but that golden age is over. Gratification comes to early with these braindead juggles EVERYONE can do. It doesn't seem like you need to put a whole lot of work in to 'seem' good, thus people asking: "HOW IS THIS HIGH LEVEL". This was not the case back in the days of 5', so there is almost no originality in combos, no move of significance that someone cant do cause now you got 'options'. The magic that used to make this game and players great is gone. The gleam of the legendary Japanese and Korean players of 5' dont burn nearly as brightly as they used to. It's because now 'everybody can'. Lame.

#52
MaRayearth said on May 27, 2013 at 8:42 p.m.

#52 that is the most ridiculous opinion of TTT2 I have ever read. What golden age? I didn't even know Tekken existed unil T6, when I started playing. If it's so juggle friendly, why can't Capcom players make a combo to save their lives in this game?
Go play VF or something.

#53
SillyGoose said on May 27, 2013 at 11:12 p.m.

@38 Your response is ironic since your opinion of KOF was also completely uninformed.

#54
Technically_BetR said on May 28, 2013 at 2:09 a.m.

#52 Check you out bro. If you didn't know the game existed before 6' then you should really shut your ignorant ass up. I'm not even sure what "I didn't know Tekken existed until 6"? even means..are saying the game was only worth any interest starting with 6? If that's the case then you "pal" are one these catered for players I'm talking about. Tekken's what got me into playing fighters for real. Without 5' I wouldn't have even considered playing on stick. Also your erm.. "you dont need to be a god to backdash in SF but do in Tekken" precisely sums up why you should not be here but in training somewhere honing those "skills". If you cant backdash cancel then how do you space yourself while in a match MaRayearth? Hmmm?... If you dont know or respect the history or know why its been the best selling 3d fighting then shut your face up.

#55
Technically_BetR said on May 28, 2013 at 2:11 a.m.

Ps. MaRayearth, don't even mention VF.... At least not until you can backdash cancel homie

#56
SillyGoose said on May 28, 2013 at 4:35 a.m.

#52 Maybe if you were talking about Tekken 2 you'd have a point but the game was just as juggle friendly in T5 as it is now.

#57
MaRayearth said on May 28, 2013 at 7:48 a.m.

#55 Sorry, but my money is worth the same as yours and I have the same right to enjoy the game as any of you old dinosaurs ^_^
I enjoy TTT2 a lot, I'm sorry you old, bitter vets get mad because it's not as elitistly difficult as it used to be... honestly I couldn't care less haha. I learned how to play on T6 and Tag 2 isn't all that different, except it's more fun with 2 characters and tag combos.

#58
Tinokus said on May 28, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.

hope its another evo like a couple of years ago where all the heavy hitters took each other out in ssf4 top 8. we'll see. ryan class guy great player but prob won't make top 8.

#59
Technically_BetR said on May 29, 2013 at 2:44 a.m.

#58 Hmmmmm...smells like humble pie you just ate there junior. Anyway, if it wasn't for us "dinosaurs" out there cutting our teeth on the hard stuff there would'nt be any games for you to play today, so think twice next time you wanna jump in with some bs without knowing facts. Oh and here is some of that golden age REAL play I be on about. Did you know the KOREANS invented backdash cancelling? Of course not. Watch these fights. The movement of these players...awe inspiring. KOREAN GODS: (All from Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection)Awesome music in this game!!

QUDANS(dvj) vs. ZEKUSU(dvj)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzMEeu...

KNEE(bry)vs. Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgRwd...

200 WON(anna) vs. Nin(Steve)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKldxn...

#60


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