Seth Killian: Street Fighter 4 was initially the worst thing I've ever seen - Killian's involvement in SFxT was limited to early planning meetings

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SFIV still looks terrible, but it's fun as hell though!

@2 I kinda agree. I wish it wasn't so damn sluggish compared to SFIII and CvS2 though.

seth killian is also the reason why marvel vs capcom 3 was a failure, at first time whan it was released.

Welp, whaddya know...

@3 I agree as well. Please make the next Street Fighter 2D, Capcom.

Poor Seth....

Wow talk about getting stabbed in the back, whats with all the hate on Seth?

Well if his involvement in Capcom was getting less and less, and Sony Santa Monica gave him an oppurtunity with more involvment , who can blame him if he jumps ship ? He probably felt more underappreciated and less utilised the more it dragged on.

But the thing I find funny is he still gets hired by Capcom after saying the early work of Steet Fighter 4 looked awful .... lol

SSF4 AE still the best fighting game eva

@10 Well working for any company is not all about kissing arses. Sometimes you can get hired or promoted in a company just by being blunt honest. usually thats what they are looking for.

If a company can't be humble enough to except honest criticism, they cannot expect to do well. Im sure that is why they hired Seth because he was basically on the outside looking in. You want people like that around you, not a bunch of yes men.

Seth..still hate the char.. love the man

@13.. Dat Jab fighter 4

Seth should have stayed so we wouldn't have had JabxTimeOuts in vanilla.

@18 - Can't you troll better than that?

And he seriously wanted to make SFxT free-to-play? That would've been several times worse than the already stupid gem nonsense.

Regardless of what anyone says, SF4 is an awesome, with awesome artwork, and awesome gameplay. SF3 is awesome, CVS2 is awesome. All these games are awesome.

@ 13

I've played several of the older games, and they all have their fair share of BS too.

CVS2 Sagat has the hotfoot super nonsense, Sakura and Bison have 70% combos off a touch. It's my favourite fighting game, but it still has its faults.

SFA3 gives everyone full meter right from the start, so the first hit is insanely important

SF3 doesn't have as much BS, but it's really imbalanced

They're all great games, but every game has system mechanics that don't appeal to everyone.

BTW, if the opponent SRK FADC's, you've just cut their offensive / defensive potential by quite a bit, so it's not quite as free as you make it out to be.

@20 Thats a stretch, SF4's artwork is absolutely atrocious.

you're cool as fcuck s-kill

@22 And because you said that it MUST be true, right? Gtfo.

@18

You lost me when you stated the characters were 'homo.' I wonder if the people hating on 2013 even bothered to play it. If you're seriously getting wrecked by boost combos, you don't need to be playing SFxT anyway.

@26 How does wanting to make more money make you a fraud? You can still be a fan of street fighter while working for a different company. But why am I wasting my time responding to you? This is the internet. Logic doesn't work here.

Wait did Seth just come out to say he had a say in the SFxT DLC fiasco?

Like they say don't judge the book by its cover. SF4 looks horrible but turns out to be the greatest game ever made. SFxt looks promising when the first demo but turns out to be pathetic

Uh, MVC3 vanilla was not a failure. It sold 2.5 million units. That's all Capcom cares about, or any game developer really.

@24
I never said it was the truth you jackass, its obviously my opinion.

"After release, players drifted away from SFXT, its intricate core combo system undermined by balance-breaking DLC."

The writer definitely had no idea what he was talking about, intricate core combo system? It's as far from intricate as it gets. The DLC problem had nothing to do with balance. Apparently all the best characters were always in the game lol.

@29 Greatest game ever made? LOL.

Uhh yeah lulz, SF4 series is the farthest thing from the greatest fighting game ever made.

As Mentioned before, being Honest like seth ,is the kind of employees that companies need, that's how you grow and improve. Respects as always to S_kill and look forward to a brighter future and improvement on the next wave of fighting games sequels. Previous installments cvs,alpha, sf3 series,etc. are apples and oranges and to me they are great in their own way. Depends on what each individual likes and can't please everyone, but start by being true to yourself first.

these americans act like they make the dam game.. they dont make anything, they are just talking heads

Why don't we all just calm down and play some Shaq Fu?

@13:

And SFIV is way too damn sluggish and slow,
With Unblockables all over the place.
However, While i wouldn't say it's the best SF
Game, it probably is the most balanced, despite
Cammys, Akumas and Fei-longs runnin' a muck!
And i still enjoy playing it. My fav SF game is still A2-3

Haters gonna hate. Vulcan Hades has already explained everything.

SF4 is way better than SFEX series SF EX series could have been as good as SF4 if they spent a lot more time on it. SF4 is a good game just it wouldn't be the worst if you included Alex in SSF4, maybe if you included Alex in the game maybe this post would have been eliminated.

The characters were bulky looking, but I love the 2.5D capcom has transitioned to. If X9 didn't look so bulky and feel slow, it would've sold better. Other than that, SF4 is hands down an awesome game.

i like fighting games

SF4 is what reignited the whole fighting game genre. If it wasn't for SF4 there would be maybe 50 people who gave a F about fighting games. 95% of the people on this website wouldn't be here if it wasn't for SF4.
Meanwhile SFxT is still trying to prove it's worth 20$ and Playstation Who-Cares Stars is already dead.

"After release, players drifted away from SFXT, its intricate core combo system undermined by balance-breaking DLC."

- SFxT combo system isn't intricate, it's the most basic combo system of this decade. Balance braking DLC? What? The problem with DLC is how it was released, not how balanced it was.

It's Ono the big boss, not Seth.

He talks as if PSBR a better game than SF4.

I really enjoy the artwork and art direction of SF4. I LOVED the gallery in vanilla.

Props Capcom. GDLK game.

Thank you.

Btw, extremely pointless interview by Seth.

S-kill says SF4 and SFxT are Terrible games? did he ever get the chance to play that terd of a game called "playstation allstar battles whatever its called?" jesus my 11 year old son broke that game on his knee cap because he didnt want to randomly play the game on accident whenever he 's bored..... anywho both those games arent all that good but hell they are far more entertaining than that game....

truth be told what made me not want to play SfxTK was all the random hating on the gem system and the early game glitches which they ironed out... some of the characters got some stupid nerfs like julia, Xiaoyu, and Raven.. however the game is very fun....

Seth is losing some of his class with these comments. If he's admitting he shoveled bullsh*t for SFxT, he's admitting he'll shovel bullsh*t for future titles.

@33

LOl as much as you like. Cause the fact SF4 the one who bring back hype for fighting game community.

He's just trying to say something interesting that we haven't heard before.

A fighting game special consultant is still relevant to our community, like it or not.

Last commented directed @21. sorry

What confuses me is that despite all the hate in the comments, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU PLAYS THIS GAME. Wait...this is the internet. Nevermind. Carry on.

So the whole gems thing...part of it is Seth's fault?

I mean, he said it RIGHT THERE. The guy in charge of balancing and crap...HE'S the guy that said "leaning to a F2P model". How is no one pissed at him right now?

illness690 you have posted in here a million times in defense of whatever.. NOBODY CARES... oh wait its the internet..... jump off a cliff

Honestly all these people need to step away from games, they're getting too worked up. All I can say is the internet itself is nothing but a cesspool, the internet bandwagons & trolls bring nothing but imbalance to human life itself.

When comes to a true gamer, it should always be about love for the game you care about and not talk trash about another game. Almost everyone lacks that personality. All they do is hate on pointless things, bash on games or certain peoples opinion, and don't know when to stay away from the game if they have a dislike.

The Internet in general lacks a civilized balance when comes to people, sometimes its better if certain people were controlled under certain conditions that parts limits their freedom. The Internet people have too much freedom which at this point all you get are arrogant, narrowminded, childish people with lack of proper judgment.

Dem trolls feel like they're good at trolling.

@37

I think that's Seth's point. He has very little control over the final product and he knows it. I wish we had more guys like him on the inside...

I also forgot to add in maybe in Arcade Edition maybe if there was rival cut-scenes and trials for Yun, Yang, Evil Ryu and Oni Akuma this post also would have been eliminated

Ya'll need to play Real Bout Fatal Fury 2. Now that's a mans fighting game.

How good did he expect a pre alpha wireframe concept with no skins and no models to look?

Love it that now SFxT's a somewhat acceptable game, SF4 gets all the hate.

SF4 4 lyf.

@ 40

Yeah, the homogenized damage really helps characters like Cammy, Sakura and Gouki pump out insanely damaging combos.

I don't think unblockables are a SF4 thing though, every game with a back to block feature should have this problem as well.

@55 Someone's butthurt about something.
@62 SF4's been getting all the hate. The only reason it slowed down is because the kids found something new to hate on, which is SFxT. Now that everyone's starting to like it again, they can resume their hate on SF4. This trend will continue until SF5 drops, then they will hate on that game and praise SF4, and talk about how SF4 was the BEST, and that SF5 is for scrubs and babies. This is how the internet works. #55 is a prime example typical internet behavior.

"Donald_K_Bahls said
Uh, MVC3 vanilla was not a failure. It sold 2.5 million units. That's all Capcom cares about, or any game developer really."

That is because alot of people including myself didn't know that UMvC3 was coming out on that same year. Those 2 million including myself were rip off.

@64 Why do you call EVERYONE butthurt that doesnt agree with you what are you 12? Its not like people are saying i hate that game and not giving valid reasons why they hate the game. I personally feel SFxT couldve been a lot better but to reasons unknown (maybe it war rushed) it ended up being mediocre.

First of all the balance in that game is atrocious and you dont have to be an expert at the game to figure that one out. Second lots of fighting games have on disc DLC sold as DLC but never has a fighting game done that to the extent of SFxT. Those 2 examples already show why the game was a PR and gameplay disaster.

I remember when the game was first announced and aspects like gems werent even announced. Less focus on gems and more focus on gameplay/character balance would helped the game go a long way. The roster in my opinion is amazing but whats the point when a good portion of the cast is noticeably weaker then the rest.

SFIV is a great game but lets not sit here saying its the best fighting game ever. I know it might be nostalgia but in my opinion that crown should go to the SF2 games which started the fighting game craze. Every SOLID fighting game has gameplay aspects why a person might prefer it over another.

Also illness690 it might seem SFIV got a lot of hate but thats because its the big boy on the block. Heres the other side of things though what other fighting game gets featured more on streams or at tournaments? None so SFIV got and continues to get more love than any other fighting game released this gen.

@63:

They don't all suffer from super large mash windows. SFIV has a lot of BS
as well, but doesn't take away from the fact that it's still a good game.
The graphics even grew on me a lil' - I'd still prefer 2d over 2.5 or 3d any day.

A lot of people like to hate on popular games just to troll and get some attention. Others are stuck in the past and want every game to play like they did ten years ago; they are the dinosaurs of the gaming age.

I don't know why people complain about the character models in SF4, a real fighter would indeed be muscular like any real athlete, not look like a bunch of scrawny emo looking wimps. Ironic since most gamers ARE scrawny wimps or fat slobs as opposed to being muscular and athletic. Most have something to do with the muliple hours locked indoors and minimal physical activity.

@66 Actually I am 12. Spot on there chum. The balance is fine. You're one of the many SFxT haters on this site anyways, so whatever you say on the subject is being ignored. Stop posting things. Also, you seem butthurt as well.

@68 Well said.

Playing SF4 for its graphics is like watching porn for its storyline, hah.

@ 69

Hey, nice avatar. I'm a big fan of the original Tomb Raider games and LOVE the new TR. It has been taking away from a lot of my usual fighting game time LOL. There are even trolls hating on that game. "Oh, it's nothing like the old Tomb Raider. They have ruined Laura!"

Shut. Up.

Anyway, Capcom is greedy and money hungry like any corporation but they make good fighters. We shouldn't encourage the way they treat consumers at times, yet a good game is a good game.

@71 I haven't purchased the game yet, waiting on my check to roll in, but I've watched a couple let's play vids of it on youtube and it looks STELLAR. Dude there are trolls hating on Metal Gear Rising simply because it's not Metal Gear Solid. Then once the game dropped and people realized how amazing it is the hate died down, till they released that Kojima was originally planning to have Grey Fox as the star of the game, but that didn't happen because he wanted his team to handle the game. Hate came back in floods. Sigh. I'll never understand the internet.

Kind of funny that some people still think Seth left Capcom to work on Playstation All Stars. He didn't. He went to Santa Monica to work on anything they were doing.

His fighting game experience just made him a good producer to give advice for All Stars for a little while.

@illness690 Kid now your just spewing lies how am i one of the SFxT haters? I have the game and purchased the 12 DLC characters but if you cant handle any constructive criticism about a game then maybe your the one thats butthurt.

Its alright to defend a game but dont be a keyboard hero.

@ Seth's picture

That drive.

THAT FOCUS.

Vanilla SF4 was ass. So he's not wrong in that regard.

Super made it good though.

Got X tekken a few days after the update to see if it was worth learning seriously, bought the DLC, screwed around with the combo system for a week and getting overall consistency up, was feeling like a game i would enjoy. Went online, played about 10 matches, netcode felt absolutely horrendous, matches were boring as hell, and after seeing the overall speed and meta game, I just said fu*k it. Haven't touched the game in like a month. I don't hate the game, but I just think its a very boring game to watch or play.

street fighter 3 is the best game they have done. They just had quit superstf 2 turbo , and jump to sf3 , and the alpha games are just good for 1 player, sf4 is a good game, but the jump from sf3 to sf4 almost feels like a step back, a little bit. They should make SF5 more like sf3, with a much better design averall. Just my opinion.