Richard Nguyen: In SoCal no one wants to win in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, NorCal is the best region

thats the problem with marvel,70% the cast is either situational/another character could do exactly what (insert chararacter here) can do but better or complete garbage

Much as I respect Nguyen, i really hope LLND, Royal Flush, etc. DONT take his advice, Marvel is getting more and more repetitive to watch. Already all matches are played on one stage and a majority of matches with 15 or so characters.

Cool with me. Let them be the region for playing with characters they like.

@2 Stage is because of PS3 slowdown. Characters is, well, WELCOME TO FIGHTING GAMES. At tournaments you're going to see a lot of the top tiers.

What's Richard's excuse for not winning?

brap brap brap

It's not the easy route, but on the slim chance that there are some undiscovered broken tech among the unused characters, I respect those guys for choosing that route. And like #2 said, as a spectator, it's so much more interesting to see low tiered characters playing rather than vergils, dooms, and zeros going at it.

@2

as a viewer, I agree, because LLND and Royal Flush do great things with their characters. but from a player perspective, this does hurt the level of competition in SoCal. how do you figure out how to take down top-tier teams if a large amount of what you play against are low-tier teams?

@6

yeah, the stream chat went nuts when Lud and Demon Hyo played on stream with Chun-Li.

@2

I hope they do take the advice, help evolve the game. I like seeing the game played at a high level rather than seeing some cool gimmicks that do nothing for pushing the game and inevitably fail. LLND and Royal Flush's team are already irrelevant this early on in the game, it is nothing more than novelty after a certain point.

I would rather see a high level MSP in Marvel 2 than a decent player using low tiers, because those low tiers aren't pushing anything, after a certain point it just isn't playing the game right.

Kinda reminded me of Sanford going on that rant about Chris G and the east-coast.That being said my two cents is that we had enough Dooms, Vergils, and Zero's etc on either side of the fence let the poors guys play the characters they like and enjoy.

@4 And yet, they also ALL pick either Training Stage or Bonne Wonderland in 360 as well, same as PS3.

DickWin Pls

#2 I agree COMPLETELY.

I can see that people want to win. Okay. But no one is going to get a kick out of you winning as much as you if you play with a Top Tier team with predictable gameplay.
just like Chris G, he doesn't even look excited when he wins at this point.

I played Marvel because of the roster and playing with comic book characters. It's the closest thing to playing with action figures that actually come to life.

Out of ALL the Doom players there are only 2 that I enjoy watching and that's MarlinPie and El Gato.

I honestly think we should do the opposite of what Richard Nguyen is saying and expand on new characters in tournaments.

I respect these guys for playing what they want too. Playing high tier doesn't mean you'll win, Viscant switched to high tier and he still get's slapped around. Noel tried switching to Vergil, and got bopped and went right back to his old team. Ray Ray tried to replace Ryu with Viper and got stomped, before going back to Ryu. The higher tier characters just may not fit their play style.

Richard is wrong, the low tier characters need to be played more to discover what potential they really have to expand the game. We don't have shortage of Vergil and Zero players to find tech for them.

*Uses Shuma, Ghostrider, and Ammy* well... hm...

Bonne wonderland is an awsome stage. I played a guy who picked the all black nemesis and picked shield airship at night. All I could see was teeth.

I'm sitting her laughing at all the stream babies thinking most players play to entertain. I agree with richard though, pick the top-tiers already or get left behind.

This has been known for a while. The only way to win in marvel is to pick the top tier broken stuff. I don't care how many people are bored of watching the same characters. All they're doing is watching, they aren't competing for money. Players are there to win money, not entertain stream monsters with character variety. LLND & Royalflush are amazing with their teams, but if they wanna win they need to pick a top tier. That's it. They will never win anything with those teams. Screw what viewers wanna see, play to win. Pick a top tier. Win that money.

#10

It's called being "conditioned"; if they're used to certain things and options relative to one console, it will make the transition to the other consoles as well regardless if the latter console had the same initial reasons the former had for its choice in selection/options.

Sanford Kelly's words of wisdom!

PICK A TOP TIER.

"I hope they do take the advice, help evolve the game. I like seeing the game played at a high level rather than seeing some cool gimmicks that do nothing for pushing the game and inevitably fail"

i feel pretty much the inverse of this. how do you find out what's top tier without actually exploring your options? picking vergil isn't playing "what's good", it's playing what already works. getting away with things isn't exactly the same thing as playing smart, and evolving the game involves finding out what else could potentially work. i applaud anyone who puts their efforts toward that end. show me what else marvel 3 can be. if years down the line teams like LLND's have still gotten nowhere then maybe you and richard have a point. until then do what feels good and make the best of it.

I can respect those that give themselves that extra challenge of overcoming a weaker characters faults. And it is very exciting to see, maybe some streams of no top tier character type of thing would be awesome.

It really isn't about entertaining anyone. It's about pursing the goals you have set for yourself. If you goal is to do as best you can with low tier you can play modok but if you goal is to win on the world stage you might want to take advantage of the much much better tools the game offers.

People whining about seeing top tiers, lol. That's how fighting games are played. You pick the best characters and win. If it bores you, find something else to watch.

@22 Oh it will bore people eventually and they will watch something else, don't worry about that it's happening.

Playing competitively has always been about winning and improving yourself as a player.

Somewhere along the way the mindset has changed to "play to entertain"

Players aren't hungry and just content w/ getting 3 letters following their name and settling for mediocrity.

i'm pretty sure they're playing to entertain themselves, which should be at least part of anyone's motivation. nobody doesn't want to win, it's a matter of how you want to win.

it's honestly not much different from whether or not you're a rushdown style or keepaway player. saying one or the other is the only legitimate way to "play to win" is naive and dishonest about the way these games work.

dieminion has taken guile further than almost anyone else could even hope to imagine. was that a mistake too? gief, gen and hakan won tournaments in 2012. were they all idiots too?

richard's outlook is too limiting to be universally prescriptive.

Top players should not care about entertaining the Internet. Pick who you want for whatever reason you want. But playing for the excitement of spectators is pointless.

I always win by doing this
TRY IT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWEfye...

@2
they should make a rule in EVO where you can't pick the same character you entered the tourney with last year lol

Yea as much as i love Marvel, the game is getting extremely boring to watch. I understand that players want to win, but the game isnt going to evolve anytime soon if everyone is using only top tiers. Ive stopped watching Team spooky's battle circuit stream because its become tedious to watch, i only tune in once SfxT comes on(never thought id hear myself say that lol.)

@23
If it was happening then no one would be watching Marvel anymore but it is still the fighting game that brings in the most views.
The people who complain about wanting to see variety are a VERY small minority.
Sanford already said it best. People need to start picking top tier if they want to win, who cares what characters viewers want to see.

at DIVINEPHOENIX69

This is the future of marvel bro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dw04J...

I cannot believe you guys are actually condoning that type of behavior,regarding the future of Marvel.You can be hungry and play the character you like.

That you will need to know extensive knowledge of the matchup and have nerves of steel and swift reflexes? Definitely....

It's not about the streams."Freak" them for all I care.....It's all about the potential that the players may be missing because of all the Vergil's and Doom's running around.Players like LLND and SkinHoff inspire lots of players,scared of trying their favorite characters due to the awkwardness of their mechanics,to branch out and expand the game more.

Don't be like that,guys.The game's way too young and you think you have found everything the game has to offer? Nope...not even a bit.

@32 You can be hungry as you want playing the character you like, but if it isn't top tier/broken, you're not winning in marvel. This isn't AE where almost any character can be viable. Every Marvel devolved into just a handful of characters being top tier and used in tournaments. UMVC3 will be no different. It's just the nature of the game. I welcome it. Every fighting game is like this. Players play a variety of character at the beginning, but as time goes on, the numbers of characters players play slowly dwindles as the top tier/broken stuff gets exposed. Then they all flock to it because they want to win. Why should it be any different now?

In other words, NorCal only wants to be the best at a broken game.

@33. lol at any character being viable in AE. but i digress.

why can't there be room for both types of players? the showmen and the warriors? if some people just wanna play to style and do fancy stuff, let it rock. that's entertaining as hell. if you want the extra challenge of not picking derpy stuff, that's also cool. if you just want that paper, by all means, pick a top tier. we all paid or 40 bucks for the game to do whatever the hell we want with it.

granted, if you're not picking top tier, you have to accept that you're at a serious disadvantage and pretty much just a pot monster.

@19
#PUT_SAGAT_IN_UMVC3!

@35 ALMOST any character. Read correctly. Gen won Canada Cup btw. If Gen can win a major, that says something about the game.

If people are going to play to entertain then they better stop calling it a fighting game tournament and call it fighting game entertainment instead. It's just like WWE.

@38 Ha!

Don't encourage people to tier whore. The best way to help a game grow is to have variety. Not only does it give all the players experience against the whole cast, it also helps to expand the game by discovering all the possibilities for all the characters in it. By defaulting to top tier, you are slowing down the progress of the game in exchange for doing something that is working right now, and in turn, falling behind other regions. I do believe a Joe/Frank/Raccoon player floored you a couple years back.

@25
Dieminion/Guile has won more tournaments than any of those characters in 2012 so it's not like he was struggling in the US. (Why anyone thinks Gen is low tier is beyond me.)

According to him though, the reason for his wins is just that everyone else in the east coast other than Wolfkrone and Sanford are bad in the game. He realised this after he went over to Japan where everyone plays to win and is really good.

So yeah, at least in the Japan where the marvel players play for fun, they still developed tech to beat Tokido's phoenix. It works out well against f champ as well.

Are people in the east coast trying hard enough to develop tech to beat Chris G or Dieminion? That's really Sanford's point.

@38

I know what you mean, but to some degree, MarlinPie plays to entertain. Do you need to be reminded of the Mike Ross/FC Jago grudge match? There's been some instances of WWE-lite goin on. "Stylin" on somebody is not what I would call playing to win, either.

I would just say pick whoever you play the best with. If you bustin ass with that team, chances are you will probably bust ass in competitive play, too.

This is marvel guys its all about picking the cheap stuff thats how you win in this game every marvel game is like that umvc3 just has afew more playable characters that can win majors, so yeah fchamp was pretty correct about his list

Ps3 slowdown -_- that excuse

i play on Ps3 and i can pick any stage and my system has no slowdown

Richard says play to win
he uses top tier characters bout how many tournaments has he won? only locals so i guess he is not right about the play to win be a tier whore

Real talk the issue with SoCal is that they lack a F Champ/Bum/Yipes who is willing to show leadership and take charge of the community. Only Super Arcade and Alex Valle seems to organize anything and those guys love to push to support the P4A/KOF/Tekken/SFxT/VF5 community at the expense of the game that made them big. J Wong is supposed to be a pro player with fighting games as his only job, but what exactly has he done for the SoCal community? Seems that he would rather spend time on Dragonvalle and SAO. Contrast this to F Champ who organize events and push to get good players to play in his house, and it's not hard to see why NorCal has become stronger than SoCal.

@45 Basically UMvC3 has evolved to the point where the only top tier characters are Doom and Vergil, and you are playing a mid tier team if your team doesn't have either of those 2.

What's wrong with playing a video game for fun?

@45 Basically if you have fun losing to others in video games then you have issues.

@46 You make it sound like Socal supporting lesser games is a bad thing. Personally, what they are doing is good, not only because they are experimenting with the cast of Umvc3, but they are supporting other games, and to me that is far more important than simply winning tournaments, with derpy characters.

The biggest problem with this isnt gameplay(as its why we watch it) its lack of interesting characters outside the top 15 the rest of the game sucks and with lack of modes par netcode and simple mode killing every mode besides lobbies with friends it kills the growth of the game if we had mvc2 reps better new characters it would be a totally different story now

Lmao who the f*ck has fun losing every tournament, they are pretty much retarded for not picking a top tier a long time ago. You want to pay money to lose and give it to someone thats playing smarter?

Also at people who are hating on richard, it doesn't matter what hes won hes a top player and usually gets top 8 in tournaments with about 200 players. If thats not worthy enough to take his opinion into consideration idk what is.

@29

LOL who cares about you, spookys stream has JUMPED in regular numbers and has hit 7-8k recently a 2k increase. Obviously your opinion is not the majority or relevant.

infrit is bad.

As a spectator, Marvel is just boring to watch; always see the same characters, always the same combos. However, it was actually pretty entertaining to watch yesterday's (today's) Japanese tournament with Abegen and a few others who didn't play top tier characters and still did well. Honestly though, if so many people actually went to the local tourney and plays non-top tier, why are they not put on stream more often? I don't care if they lose to someone else who is also playing low tier or whatever. I'm tired of the same people playing the same team doing the same combos.

I rather they all played Morrigan 'till someone got fed up with her and developed something about her.
That's how the game evolves.

Happened with Spiral, happened with Blackheart and will happen to Morrigan if people stop trying to discover who buttheads Soul Fists the most.

@55 Spectators are not, and should not be, the number one priority of players.

@48 That's what I'm saying.

if somebody wants to enter a tournament using whatever character(s) they want whether its the lowest tier imaginable or god-like its their choice and they spent their money to enter it so they can choose whoever they want. so what some don't play to win, maybe they play for competition to test their skills against others to see how good they are. Who are we to judge.

@57

I'm so sad I wasn't a stream monster doing the days Spiral dominated. I love Spiral.

if you dont pick characters like Vergil or Doom you're gonna lose......get exposed by Spiderman,Thor,Tron,Super Skrull lol if you want to play to win it's on you some people just like to use characters that are not at the top.......and what's the point on using a top tier if you suck with them?

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this is the problem there either too many joke characters we don't need or characters that are too basic we knew they add that's why we have people having characters crisis cause outside the top 15 to 20 the rest of the cast sucks.
Some of these characters I present in this poll would be way better and would bring great challenge to the top tier guys
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/576656

Can't help but laugh at a lot of this.
First, lots of better players use alt teams while going through pools and still blast through opponents. Second, people like Kusoru DESTROY at tournaments where people don't have experience against their setups because of too much tier-whoring. Third, the 'tiers' in Marvel aren't set in stone. There's still too much undiscovered tech - anybody remember Seth Killian talking about Jill from vanilla Marvel and saying there were some things that would've made her and Shuma the most boken characters in the game? Nobody found it because a lot of people dismissed them offhand as being weak.