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Mad Catz: We refuse to support tournaments that don't police collusion, VxG UMvC3 grand finals were a joke

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • July 28, 2013 at 7:08 p.m. PDT
Mad Catz: We refuse to support tournaments that don't police collusion, VxG UMvC3 grand finals were a joke Mad Catz's MarkMan was very vocal after the VxG 2013 Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 finals. Many people watching the stream felt that EMP|Flocker and AGE|NYChrisG had colluded in the grand finals, and planned on splitting the pot after they took 1st and 2nd place, respectively.

Flocker and ChrisG selected teams that they don't typically use at the latter part of tournaments, straying from the squads that they used to get them that far.

When the unexpected team selection went down, Mad Catz's MarkMan took to Twitter to make his stance on the situation clear, stating:

MarkMan: If any of our players/teams ever throw matches or not play their best. They are getting suspended.

R0bSkii: Some companies really need to think about where their sponsorships for events goes. I understand they wanna help organizers but come on.

MarkMan: I wish I saw it in time to stop it/say something. But sigh. The event was good otherwise.

Hit the jump to read more.

MarkMan: We shouldn't have to, but we NEED to police this better in the future to ensure the legitimacy/respect for the event stays true. #WeOnIT

R0bSkii: It's sad to see the commentators not knowing Flocker won. They were like, oh he won, congrats. They weren't even paying attention.

MarkMan: I don't blame them. It was a joke finals.

To show how serious we are. As a company, we refuse to support events/tournaments & put money into it if organizers won't try to police it.

ltsang: So I guess you guys won’t sponsor VxG next year?

MarkMan: We will. We had a good experience this year.

CO_Chavelo: So why are you tweeting about split pots and thrown matches at the moment? Isn't that what just happened a few minutes ago? O.o

MarkMan: Yeah, but it's hindsight now. The organizers didn't stop it cause they didn't know beforehand. I'm not dumb enough to blame after.

Toddhunter: What do you think tournaments should do? Shut down grand finals or disqualify?

MarkMan: Stop them and tell them to pick their [stuff] or forfeit the prize.

RyoumaZY: Haven't you been saying this kind of thing for a while though? Since the first major instance anyway.

MarkMan: Yeah, but time to take a bigger stand, now.

Mad Catz has absolutely been one of the strongest supporters of the fighting game community over the years, specifically Mark "MarkMan" Julio, sponsoring tons of players and events, so these are strong words coming from someone who works very hard to make the FGC a better place for everyone.

It's likely that in the future, we'll see more efforts to put a stop to collusion, on behalf of everyone involved.

Source: MarkMan's Twitter.

Comments

Haz_Diante said on July 28, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN

#1
JRXP2011 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.

That's BS MARKMAN, you saying you wont support, but you will sponsor vxg again.... WTF is that? If it's time to take a stance against it, make it a point to fully punish dat sh!t. And how u gonna stop it? make them pick their sh!t? They can still drop combos on purpose, or just play like sh!t in general.

Stop talking if u ain't about to do anything biatch

#2
RW said on July 28, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.

Stopped watching after Chris was basically picking random... Not because of the pot splitting, i don't care about that, but when the matches are actually BORING... I'm not going to watch.

#3
EA575 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:13 p.m.

EVO champ, everyone...

#4
Benify said on July 28, 2013 at 7:13 p.m.

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#5
Gotomaster said on July 28, 2013 at 7:14 p.m.

You said it Markman.

#6
Zanomaru said on July 28, 2013 at 7:15 p.m.

-"We refuse to support tournaments that don't police collusion"
-"you guys won’t sponsor VxG next year?"
-"We will."

#7
JRXP2011 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.

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#8
RedRapperSux said on July 28, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.

Lol

#9
Benify said on July 28, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.

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#10
Darklurkr23 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:17 p.m.

Does it really matter they need to get paid. If they do that why not just give someone in teh crowd a chance on stream XD

#11
Crazcar said on July 28, 2013 at 7:17 p.m.

Seems like I missed something interesting lol.

#12
ONG_BAK_SAGAT said on July 28, 2013 at 7:18 p.m.

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#13
iMTopTier said on July 28, 2013 at 7:19 p.m.

as soon as i saw FChump losing to Chris G's Ryu i knew it was staged and then in GF nobody picked real teams......yeah pot splitting

#14
Kalio said on July 28, 2013 at 7:19 p.m.

Stream monsters aren't apart of the FGC. - Markman

We haven't forgot fatman, we never will.

#15
giefgrief said on July 28, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.

MarkMan is being a drama queen. You can't "police" what teams people play. wtf

#16
Cheesus said on July 28, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.

#2 and #7 you both clearly didn't read the entire thing OR you're ignorant and stupid.

#17
Loryuo said on July 28, 2013 at 7:21 p.m.

Every time this happens, it's always "too late."

I don't believe it, until it happens.

#18
Catalyst said on July 28, 2013 at 7:21 p.m.

@JRXP2011

You can express your opinion, but you can do it without the personal insults. Any more personal insults and you're getting a permanent ban.

#19
ihog said on July 28, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.

The whole stream was a joke. There wasn't any hype from the non-existent crowd, Marvel top 8 wasn't good at all. Highlight were Jessica's tits and you know it stream. That's why you all tuned in, lol. And Gootecks trying to explain Street Fighter to her.

#20
Murdurus said on July 28, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.

Initially, I thought this was going to be a good match seeing as how ChrisG was a favorite to have taken EVO this year and against none other than the EVO champ himself. Then I saw their characters and turned off the stream. I'm not a Marvel player but I do enjoy watching it from time to time, particularly when it's high skilled players but what's the point in watching them if I know that they aren't playing their best? It makes me lose a lot of respect for these players. Just play the damn thing out like you're supposed to, I couldn't care less if you decided to split the pot.

#21
shoryuken78 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.

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#22
shoryuken78 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:24 p.m.

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#23
ShinzoBishamon said on July 28, 2013 at 7:25 p.m.

so does this mean no "top" player in marvel can pick characters no one has ever seen them play even if the know legitimate combos with said characters?

#24
ProfessorLester said on July 28, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.

You people that talked about banning players in the VGX thread are stupid. It was not a Road to Evo event and its up to the players sponsors to set their punishments.

#25
WRONGonRED said on July 28, 2013 at 7:27 p.m.
#26
TagAnarchy said on July 28, 2013 at 7:27 p.m.

I'm with #13 on this.

Too many times have I seen crappy finals due to pot splitters. The point of competition is to win, not to settle with the opponent. This is just a kick in the nads to any serious member of the FGC community.

Also, I agree with the year suspension thing for obvious pot splitting. When colluding happens in any kind of sport there should be a punishment. Fighting game tournaments should be no different. If not suspend, at least automatically put them in losers bracket upon entering for their transgressions.

As for the sponsoring of that specific tourney, the judges may not have been on the ball, but that's not necessarily a good reason to punish all the those going to that tourney for the bull of two people.

#27
jme said on July 28, 2013 at 7:28 p.m.

They don't have to pick their staple team in order to let people know they mean business. You can counter pick and still play at an evo level. The point is, them forcing to pick their real stuff is not gonna fix anything. They pick whatever team they want but they have to play their best and still give the people a good show and feel like there was a struggle for first and not a predetermined outcome.
If they go up to the GF players and say "hey wth are not picking your team" they can easily say(whether it's true or not) "I'm counter picking him" and if the TOs say "no counterpicking" then we'll have a problem.
EDIT: Also pot splitting is not the problem here, the problem is that the audience and the stream etc. is not getting a good show. So when the GF players already know they are gonna get a good chunk of the money they don't care. This idea in their heads, however, shouldn't make them sandbag the whole Gf.

#28
SuperStraightFighter said on July 28, 2013 at 7:29 p.m.

Only in Mahvel baby LMFAO.

#29
Kimmy_13 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:29 p.m.

Both flocker and chris seemed decent enough with their teams so what if they want to run their B ,C teams or even D teams, if a top player and current evo champ play characters they some what know it'll be a better match than most stop. Plus they just came down off evo they might not wanna play super serious end of the day its a videoGAME have fun and enjoy the game.

#30
Loryuo said on July 28, 2013 at 7:29 p.m.

it's really impossible to properly manage what they call collusion anyway. How do you know they just don't wanna use their main teams? Not everyone uses their main in a Grand final. It's all based on guessing more than anything, which is in itself, a stupid way to judge it. Markman making bold statements, he won't be able to accurately portray.

#31
DragonEXecuTionER said on July 28, 2013 at 7:30 p.m.

#22 i agree with that 100%

#32
Meety said on July 28, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.

I can hear what MarkMan is saying... "Give the people what they came here for!"

#33
Onimaru86 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.

I wish hed actually take action next time and suspend ppl like Jwong, Crhis G and now flocker for making a mockery out of this. No discrimination.

#34
lordrockman said on July 28, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.

You heard it here first having fun and relaxing = corporations having a problem! e-sports anyone? Kappa

#35
CheeseCakez said on July 28, 2013 at 7:34 p.m.

#22 hit it on the nail.

If you win money, it's your frickin money and you can do whatever you want with it. Nothing wrong with pot splitting.

However, losing on purpose is what should really be banned.

#36
PickATopTier said on July 28, 2013 at 7:36 p.m.

Empty platitudes and BS backtracking when challenged to offer more than words. Robust response Markman.

#37
Snipeclips said on July 28, 2013 at 7:36 p.m.

It really should have been a more secretive decision that should have been made elsewhere. Otherwise just do your best and win, no matter the circumstances. Make it serious, especially in grand finals.

#38
nyhman78 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:36 p.m.

@26 what a way to calm everyone,super lol,Gootecks has a huge smile.

#39
JumpMan33 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:38 p.m.

what 25 said, unlike MLG, fighting game tournaments are run by different groups of people so Madcatz having a unified set of rules for all tournaments is unlikely. TOs would all have to agree on a standardize punishment.

#40
RunningWild said on July 28, 2013 at 7:40 p.m.

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#41
AK47 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:41 p.m.

All I know is that, they wouldn't dare do this at EVO. And jessica was the highlight of the event.

#42
OldmanFighter said on July 28, 2013 at 7:41 p.m.

Fraud Tournament deserved the Fraud end.

#43
ogcCRITICALSHOT said on July 28, 2013 at 7:44 p.m.

People act like they paid for the "show". Mad Catz isn't going to walk away from cheap marketing that reaches their target market.

#44
Mr_Mineralz said on July 28, 2013 at 7:47 p.m.

I wouldn't cater for a bunch of misogynistic, racist trolls tbh

About 95% of people who watch these streams are full of hate and would complain if they picked their real teams.

Who cares if they pot split. If you are affected by 2 people playing a videogame then you seriously have nothing going on in your life.

#45
Bob said on July 28, 2013 at 7:47 p.m.

I only watched for boobs, once they were gone. I turned off the stream, even Gootecks was there just for boobs. Can't blame him.

#46
doublef said on July 28, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.

I don't think making them "pick their stuff" will solve the problem. They can still very easily not play their best. To stop collusion, maybe giving out a Visa prepaid gift card would make it harder for them to split (cause the 1st place guy would probably rather keep the full prize instead of paying the 2nd place guy cash value of 1/2 the card. Cash is better than card value so it would be pretty hard to settle on an even split).

But I think we need to look deeper into why these guys are splitting. Under these specific circumstances it's kinda understandable: 2 weeks after Evo, the 2 guys playing are the current Evo champ Flicker and Chris G (who is still arguably the best player). If EITHER of these guys beats the other, 2 weeks after Evo, there will be all kinds of talk from everyone ("oh flocker isn't the best, Evo was a fluke", or "Chris has been figured out now, Flicker is the best player in the world"). So considering a LOT was at stake for both those guys in that GF, I can understand why they just said "screw it, we're not gonna let everyone make judgments this soon about either of us"

#47
KhaosNottz said on July 28, 2013 at 7:51 p.m.

The actual pot splitting is not bad at all, it happens alot in other things, as long as they play it out so there is one clear winner and put on a good show for the crowd, nobody should be complaining that they split the pot.

What they should do is actually give them an option to discuss if they would like to split the pot, or conjure up some sort of deal. Once a deal has been made you could actually still see some great play as they wont be as nervous about leaving empty handed.

Its just like many poker tournaments where, once you reach the final, you can arrange a deal between the players, but then play the rest of the tourney out so there is still one clear winner.

#48
Damonta said on July 28, 2013 at 7:51 p.m.

@#36

Players lose on purpose because of pot splitting though. You can't have one without the other. They have little reason to put effort in because there's not really anything at stake and often it's players who probably couldn't have beaten their opponent legitimately anyway. They're in a win-win situation. With such a lack of pressure you may as well just lose to get your money and go home a.s.a.p.

#49
ogcCRITICALSHOT said on July 28, 2013 at 7:52 p.m.

#45 I thought the same exact thing but was too lazy to type it.

#50
HmpLghtng said on July 28, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.

I don't think they can police having two people split the pot. They could police them picking random teams but they could just say that they're counter picking each other.

I ultimately feel this was just a big middle finger to Trihard and his unrealistic expectations.

#51
Supermangxx said on July 28, 2013 at 7:54 p.m.

YOU KNOW WHAT I FIND FUNNY EVERYONE COMPLAINS ABOUT CHRIS GS MORRIGAN AND FLOCKERS ZERO AND THEY CHANGE TEAMS UP AND YOU CRY WHAT THE $&@! FGC SHUT THE fuxk UP ALREADY

#52
PaulBearer said on July 28, 2013 at 7:55 p.m.

So whens SF4?

Kappa.

#53
danny2times said on July 28, 2013 at 7:57 p.m.

Ok let's defend Chris g again eh? guys total class right? I'm sure flocKer came up to him and suggested the split? Chris g is a joke, sub par human if you ask me. dude is worse than 90% of the online trolls.
cries when loses.
blames hardware
cheats the tournament
disrespected players who legitimately beat his Pringle ass.

It's not the cool thing to hate the guy, it's warranted.

#54
Haz_Diante said on July 28, 2013 at 7:57 p.m.

I love how ya'll keep saying "Pot splitting".... I gives a FAWK if you pot split or whatever you/they do with the money.. what grinds my gears is not playing %100..

#55
ForTheViolence said on July 28, 2013 at 7:58 p.m.

He says this every time but nothing gets done. I can't even take him seriously anymore.

#56
souless88 said on July 28, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.

Why not make them pick a team at the beginning and stick wit that team the whole way through??

#57
Wa1rior said on July 28, 2013 at 8:01 p.m.

thif their want to Pot Split is their problem, they work hard to get their they CAN DO WHAT EVER THEY PLEASE

#58
spectaa said on July 28, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.

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#59
souless88 said on July 28, 2013 at 8:06 p.m.

Once they win the money its there's so really what can they do?? Hopefully if they want to pot split next time they put on a good show atleast then noone can complain. And as far as the tweeting goes am I the only one who noticed he said "madcatz wont sponsor anymore" then said "they were going to continue to sponsor"?? What the hell was the point of that rant??

#60
RandomJohn said on July 28, 2013 at 8:08 p.m.

Until organizers enforce pot splitting polices, known pros WILL split in a non-obvious way. The fact Chris G and Flocker picked weird ass teams in GF was way obvious.

#61
Damonta said on July 28, 2013 at 8:08 p.m.

@#58

That's not how society works. Nobody can freely do as they please. Not when it screws over the hard work of so many others and especially not when they're signing up for tournaments that generally have rules against the very thing they're constantly doing.

#62
EA575 said on July 28, 2013 at 8:09 p.m.

The problem is, they didn't even try in the grand finals. Had they did, pot splitting wouldn't matter so long as the person won fair and square.

#63
PaulBearer said on July 28, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.

This is why about the only events I watch these days are streams like the Topanga Asia League, etc.

Legitimate results based on authentic skill.

#64
mayo2dsauce said on July 28, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.

wow just wow at people here saying they should be allowed to do this.

I just imagine what the consequences would be if collusion would take place for like tennis in Wimbledon final.

#65
kara said on July 28, 2013 at 8:15 p.m.

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#66
M1Punk said on July 28, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.

Oh f#ck off Mark, I enjoyed the Grand Finals. I enjoyed seeing some Trish, Phoenix Wright and Frank West. Not to mention Chris G beating Fchamp with his old team.

Even though they didn't pick their main teams, they put on a great show. I could care less who gets the money at the end.

#67
downthesun01 said on July 28, 2013 at 8:17 p.m.

No one stop pot splitting unless players who are known to have done it are banned from tourneys.

Why do guys half ass it when they know they're going to split the pot? That's the part that I don't get. They could easily play out the set with full effort and still split the cash, and no one would be the wiser.

#68
PropLeXed said on July 28, 2013 at 8:21 p.m.

In my opinion I see nothing wrong with Chris G, Flocker or anyone else for that matter using their B, C, D teams because I don't see what right anyone has to try to dictate to these players which teams they can and cannot use unless the tournament is team locked so get outta here with that. Just the idea of trying to force players to play certain teams is pretty retarded.

All I ask is that they actually play properly and I'm good with whatever team they choose to use.

#69
illness690 said on July 28, 2013 at 8:22 p.m.

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#70
ZiggzBoy16 said on July 28, 2013 at 8:22 p.m.

"Mommy! Daddy! They won and shared their money with someone else! It's not fair cause I'm a big f***ing loser and can't handle someone else being able to share the winnings that isn't me!"

So what if they split the pot? what the hell does fair and square even fall to? Them not using their main teams? Them not playing like their life depends on it? How do you measure the legitimacy of a match where winning with no particular rules set is the goal?

Why is this an issue, seriously....
If you won the money and didn't split with anybody then what's the problem? Oh wait, I see. the problem is you didn't win the prize and because two other players agreed to share it at the end, it's somehow unfair? Is this elementary school??

Seeing as the grand finals were between two people who knew they could beat everyone there free and then lame out a win for pot splitting is laughable that it's an issue in itself. This community, man, I swear lol

#71
gigantor21 said on July 28, 2013 at 8:24 p.m.

...I just hope to God I don't see ChrisG whining about not getting paid enough again after this.

#72
yomaaaahval said on July 28, 2013 at 8:28 p.m.

DQ chris and flocker so champ wins. HIS DORMMAMU, DAWG. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN'?!

@70
if ur talking about jessica nigiri, she's said many times that she pads the poop out of her bras so she gets that resident creeper-attracting effect.

lol pg filter

#73
deteknician said on July 28, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.

perfect ending for a wack "tournament"

#74
Haz_Diante said on July 28, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.

#68 Thats what im sayin

#75
AsianCrisis said on July 28, 2013 at 8:33 p.m.

I don't agree. I think they're making a bigger deal of this than it really is. Its not like when they played their alternate teams they didn't know what they were doing people whine all the time about Chris G's morrigan and all he does is "spam" there is no pleasing the stream monsters i swear. i honestly thought it was at least refreshing instead of seeing the same teams over and over how are you going police someone pot splitting??? Just saiyan.

#76
skitz0phrenic said on July 28, 2013 at 8:39 p.m.
#77
gigantor21 said on July 28, 2013 at 8:42 p.m.

@73 - That MaxCPM tech...Arturo would be proud, LOL.

#78
koolersama said on July 28, 2013 at 8:42 p.m.

the problem is that pot splitting leads to bigger problems down the road. If the FGC ever makes it to esports status then would companies sponsoring the event feel cheated or misrepresented if competitors split a 40k pot? sponsors would drop out from fear of corruption and unethical behavior. Stuff like this hurts the community and is disrespectful to the event hosts,sponsors and players who are funding or watching it.This is why the FGC stays where its at..

#79
theshredder39 said on July 28, 2013 at 8:42 p.m.

If everyone is having a problem with these guys picking random then they should just ban random.

#80
DevilMaySpy said on July 28, 2013 at 8:44 p.m.

Don't care what anyone says. Flocker's Trish was legit.

#81
blzd said on July 28, 2013 at 8:50 p.m.

im not against pot splitting but at least play your best n pick your stuff or your b team dont just go random

#82
corpsedust said on July 28, 2013 at 8:52 p.m.

yea dont care if they decide to split but why not play it out play your best? Play like youre NOT splitting. dont get it

#83
IareBeStayDrunk said on July 28, 2013 at 8:53 p.m.

well, if the TOs dont change it, they are down one big sponsor. If people want to pot split. Do it. Just play a solid match with your teams and do it behind close doors? I dont get it. why make it obvious

#84
PropLeXed said on July 28, 2013 at 8:53 p.m.

With all due respect to markman but unless he plans on making all marvel tournaments one team character locked dude needs to stop talking because he can't really make them "pick their stuff" when there's no rules anywhere stating they have to.

#85
Eden said on July 28, 2013 at 8:54 p.m.

I need someone to explain me something : Why did they chose random teams ? I mean, everybody can see it, and see they don't really play. Why can't they play seriously for the win, for the title, and split the prize later in the shadow ?

#86
StreetCredit said on July 28, 2013 at 8:54 p.m.

@26

#87
StreetCredit said on July 28, 2013 at 8:55 p.m.

u make the most sense

#88
samuraikatana1 said on July 28, 2013 at 8:55 p.m.

Dat MarkMan laying down the law!

#89
J_Talbain said on July 28, 2013 at 9 p.m.

Wow I hate people they say thing without even thinking about what there saying this is what you people are say just so you know that a TO can tell you that you have to play with this character you can not pick any other character just the ones I tell you can and you can't do what you want with the money if you win I say what you can do with it and you have to play the way I tell you to if you don't play good enough you get DQ'D, yeah that's fair really people? don't get me wrong I think what Flocker and ChrisG did was wrong I'm not talking about the pot splitting that ok I'm talking about not putting on a good show that not cool make's me look down at both of them 1k people are watch you the last you can do is put on a good show of them btw if a TO ever tells me who to play or how to play I'm walking out door and not looking back.

#90
illness690 said on July 28, 2013 at 9:01 p.m.

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#91
Stef_Science said on July 28, 2013 at 9:07 p.m.

Wow Markman really getting worked up about a tournament nobody..... i mean nobody cares who won. Especially the players. It was about that prize money and taking it easy in the islands. The tournament was not really important. Except to that Dominican team lol

#92
lordgootecks said on July 28, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.

you have to ask yourself why people rarely do this at evo

#93
CharlieKenSon said on July 28, 2013 at 9:19 p.m.

I agree with him for the most part. I stopped watching too cuz it wasnt hype at ALL. Warn them and if it continues Disqualify and have the second runner up step up and have a chance at the pot. Simple as that. Suspension is a good idea to. At the end of the day, you want that pot. Unless I'm Pdiddy rich.. I am gonna take that pot on top of my sponsorships getting me to that tournament.

#94
omgitsjulian said on July 28, 2013 at 9:21 p.m.

As Strem Monsters.... WE CAN POLICE THIS.. by simply turning off the stream. NOTHING is more powerful than everyone leaving the stream.

#95
IareBeStayDrunk said on July 28, 2013 at 9:24 p.m.

#90 ignorant. They can enforce integrity. Sponsors will not want to sponsor a poor performance. slowly but surely they will leave. Tournaments will go back to 09 status with $1700 being a lot to win. Split pots , idgaf but put on a show for the thousands watching. Doesnt take much for a T.O. to walk up to the players before the match and calmly say "pick your stuff. split pots,idc, just put on a show"

#96
CharlieKenSon said on July 28, 2013 at 9:24 p.m.

No cuz they dont care about stream monsters. Where you hurt someone is in their pockets.

#97
Neclord said on July 28, 2013 at 9:31 p.m.

Hmm, again it's happening in Marvel.
This game is full of staged grand finals....

Sad.

#98
Stef_Science said on July 28, 2013 at 9:35 p.m.

Why doesnt Markman say,"Madcatz has been a big supporter of the FGC for the sole reason of profits so of course we cant back out of an event if it is profitable to us. That is why we have Daigo and Tokido as walking billboards for us and pay them 1/100th of what they are actually worth to us.

#99
Esquilax said on July 28, 2013 at 9:39 p.m.

Even more of a reason to dislike Marvel in general

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