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Updated: Balance changes for new Street Fighter 4 update - Cammy, Ken, Fei Long, Chun-Li, T. Hawk and more

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • July 13, 2013 at 12:26 p.m. PDT
Updated: Balance changes for new Street Fighter 4 update - Cammy, Ken, Fei Long, Chun-Li, T. Hawk and more Updated: This story has been updated with balance changes for Ken, Dudley, Chun-Li, T. Hawk, Cammy, Balrog, E. Honda, Ibuki, Fei Long, Yang, Vega, Rose, Makoto and Oni in the new Street Fighter 4 series update. Hit the jump to check them all out.

At the Capcom Street Fighter Nation! EVO 2013 panel, staff members made a series of notes which were transcribed by the community. This included some general notes of what they're trying to do with the new SF4 series update and change notes for 11 cast members.

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General


• Capcom is aware of unblockables and attempting to fix them, no details on how yet.

• Goals were to decrease the gap between high and low tier characters in SF4 with balance changes.

Balrog (Boxer)


• Faster charging of his Turn Punch.

• Less Headbutt recovery.

• Farther range on his Ultra 2.

Cammy


• Cannon Stride can be done LOWER to the ground now.

• Damage reduced on Hard attacks.

• Stun reduced on Hard attacks.

• They tried to reduce the "2 combos and you're dead" effect.

Chun-Li


• Health increased to 950.

• EX Fireball knocks down on hit.

• EX Flip Kick breaks armor.

• Increased her damage.

• Down-Toward + Light Kick anti air appears to be back.

Dudley


• Short Swing Blow has throw invincibility.

• He's been given better hit boxes on some of his attacks (e.g. Kidney Blow).

• All Target Combos do more damage.

E. Honda


• Ultra 2 has more range.

• Ultra 1 has a faster start up.

• Jump Toward MP has a smaller hurt box.

Fei Long


• Rekka Ken range nerfed.


Ibuki


• Less vortex for her.

• More defense options.

• Soft knockdown now on Neckbreakers, but EX version is still a hard knockdown.

• EX DP will have more invincibility.

• Spin Kicks have a larger and lowered hit box.

Ken


• Faster walk speed.

• Crouching Hard Kick has a shorter start up.

• Standing Light Punch combos into Crouching Hard Kick now.

• Ultra 1 does more damage when it connections without the full animation playing.

Makoto


• One simple note, she'll be buffed and not nerfed.

• These details aren't official, and more notes will be coming soon about this fighter.


Oni


• Ultra 2 motion change, will be quarter-circle forward + 3x Kick now.

• EX Slash will be safer on block.

• These details aren't official, and more notes will be coming soon about this fighter.

Rose


• EX Soul Spiral has full invincibility now.

• Does more damage now on most of her moves.

• These details aren't official, and more notes will be coming soon about this fighter.

T. Hawk


• Faster walk speed.

• Crouching Medium Kick is special cancelable.

• Ultra 2 has been improved.

Vega (Claw)


• Hit stun increased on Crouching Light Punch.

• Faster start up on Ultra 1.

• Faster start up on Ultra 2.

Yang


• Faster walk speed.

• Shorter start up on Standing Light Kick.

• Better Jumping Medium Kick.

Also, here's a video from MetalMusicMan04 showing off Fei's Rekka Ken change.

Sources: MetalMusicMan04, Rentahamster, and TheKingOfMars.

Comments

sav said on July 13, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.

ken players.......happy with this??

#1
TrueAmerican said on July 13, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.

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#2
Bader said on July 13, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.

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#3
sav said on July 13, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.

wtf hope dud gets more tc does more damage wtf ssb thro invicible is nice tho haha

#4
Dethscythe said on July 13, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.

Dan changes?!?!

#5
USAtlas said on July 13, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.

Approved. As a Ken player I find this very good.

#6
Terios said on July 13, 2013 at 12:34 p.m.

Is there a stream of this?

#7
EnsignHiro said on July 13, 2013 at 12:34 p.m.

Oh boy chun with 950 health and 1050 stun? Knock down on ex fireball? Not sure if I like that. Faster ken walk speed ok. Knockdown combos back ok. Can we lose the herp a derp shoryukens?

#8
samuraikatana1 said on July 13, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.

"Cammy cannon strike can be done LOWER to the ground"
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

#9
sav said on July 13, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.

can we get more than just balance changes.....

#10
Neclord said on July 13, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.

Very nice for Chun. She is no longer my main, but still my secondary. :)

#11
Terios said on July 13, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.

Lower Cannon Strike hahahaha.

#12
Falbala said on July 13, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.

changes sound amazing so far..

#13
YouDontKnowMe said on July 13, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.

Glad to see everyone is getting buffs and nothing major. Just a few minor tweaks are good. T Hawk players should be happy with his change to cancel his CMK

#14
JesseRobles said on July 13, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.

I'm waiting for Rose AND Juri IMPROVEMENTS. And I'll consider buying a new the physical copy instead of using the free PS+ version I have right now.

#15
Meety said on July 13, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.

Uh... What's this? Weren't they good before?

#16
KINGodfather said on July 13, 2013 at 12:38 p.m.

WHERE'S MA DAN CHANGES AT????!!!

#17
RedEther said on July 13, 2013 at 12:38 p.m.

Cannon strike not stride eventhubs. Well it looks like Sako might pick up cammy again if you can to TKCS like in super.

@19 Those nerfs ain't nothing to worry about basically Cammy got the wesker nerf.

#18
wollowizard808 said on July 13, 2013 at 12:38 p.m.

god damn cammy nerfs i freaking knew it

#19
Shalaska said on July 13, 2013 at 12:39 p.m.

#8

What is it exactly you don't agree about that? 50 more health and a ex fireball that no one uses suddenly makes Chun top tier or something?

Anyway, good changes so far.

#20
Jinzo18 said on July 13, 2013 at 12:39 p.m.

So they made balrog more scrubby by reducing recovery of headbutts dumb

#21
ODLowKi said on July 13, 2013 at 12:39 p.m.

Let's go Ken, that's what we needed lol.

#22
SimpliztiK said on July 13, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.

wait what???? cannon strike? what???????

#23
Mr2Good said on July 13, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.

The hitboxes on dudley's normals better be VASTLY improved. Tired of all my normals getting beat by low forward. And what target combo got the damage buff?

#24
markp said on July 13, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.

faster headbutt recovery is good i guess
the other 2 changes are useless..
how about fixing the animation after close roundhouse

#25
NvhA said on July 13, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.

v2013, Ken vortex edition aww yis.

#26
YouDontKnowMe said on July 13, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.

Just announced 5 new characters!

#27
gigantor21 said on July 13, 2013 at 12:41 p.m.

5 NEW CHARACTERS ARE COMING :D

#28
SteadiestShark said on July 13, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.

Edit for the Ken segment:

"when it connections"

#29
Drifter said on July 13, 2013 at 12:43 p.m.

"Cannon Stride can be done LOWER to the ground now." LOLOLOLOLOL

#30
Rootsat said on July 13, 2013 at 12:43 p.m.

one completely new? Oo that´s a surprise if it´s true

#31
Crazcar said on July 13, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.

"Rod Breslau ‏@Slasher 1m

5 new characters, 6 new stages, balance updates available for $15 DLC for PS3, Xbox, AND PC. #EVO2013"

Yes! :D

#32
InitialR said on July 13, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.

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#33
sav said on July 13, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.

only 1? dont tell me those leaked imagies are true....

#34
SoundwaveButcher said on July 13, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.

Waiting for that Abel falling sky buff and larger s.hp hitbox.

#35
sav said on July 13, 2013 at 12:46 p.m.

new stages anyword of getting online tweaked?

#37
Cyclops said on July 13, 2013 at 12:46 p.m.

RIP Fei Long

#38
Rootsat said on July 13, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.

#33 i´m reading the srkevo1 chat

#39
Chaosshinogi said on July 13, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.

Wait so they gave cammy back instant cannon strike!? like without the ex...didnt they take that out because it was too good and she could just build meter at range? Don't get me wrong im not tyrin's to sound like im b***hing or anything cuz i play cammy but im trying to understand why they put it back in... I also don't feel like she was really nerf'd but i'd love to see the numbers on how much they reduced her hard attacks

#40
Super_Honda said on July 13, 2013 at 12:48 p.m.

Oooh, Honda's changes. I'm pretty satisfied with that, but to be honest, I don't really land an Ultra combo on my opponent consistently. Overall, good changes, especially with jumping MP. Anyway, some rumors have been going on about 'Hyper Street Fighter 4' which is going to be released sometime in the future. Even though I'm not really a fan of SF3 characters, I really do like the artwork of Gill. He's looking really bad ass with flames coming out from his fist.

#41
krazhy said on July 13, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.

Cammy wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

#42
mrcinsc said on July 13, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.

Please give back meter building abilities for Guile and fix crouching hard punch. Thanks!

#43
Cyclops said on July 13, 2013 at 12:52 p.m.

Elena, Hugo, Poison and Rolento? Wtf Capcom, we wanted new characters like Alex, Karin, Urien not copy pasted SFxT characters.

#44
eSportsOfSarus said on July 13, 2013 at 12:54 p.m.

RIP Ibuki

#45
PandorasCrate said on July 13, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.

Tiger Knee!!!!! (cannon strike)

#46
IntuitionImpulse said on July 13, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.

Chun Li being able to knock down with ex fireball is interesting, but without a good crossup or otherwise mixup potential on a knocked down opponents, it doesn't seem all that useful.

#47
No_Surrender said on July 13, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.

*crosses fingers for Haggar as the 5th character*

#48
GoodMan said on July 13, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.

E. Honda U2 motion back to 360?

#49
SteadiestShark said on July 13, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.

I'd love Alex, Karin and Urien. :(

#50
RedEther said on July 13, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.

Still waiting on those Rose changes/buffs

#51
Wedge said on July 13, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.

Good, they didn't nerf anything on Cammy other than the damage (since that's all that was needed). Hopefully I get my old non-TKCS height back with this now too, so you can use it in footsies again.

#52
nitrocan said on July 13, 2013 at 12:59 p.m.

Might as well call this SSF4 : SFxT Edition since we're just importing them from SFxT now.

#53
TrueAmerican said on July 13, 2013 at 1 p.m.

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#54
blzd said on July 13, 2013 at 1:04 p.m.

so the 5th character is Alex why even bs and act like we havent seen the pictures

#55
tonsetzer said on July 13, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.

Ex flip kick breaking armor sounds like a pretty good buff for Chun.

#56
BasatoAngelo said on July 13, 2013 at 1:08 p.m.

Where's Marvel's new characters, stages, and balance update?

#57
solzan2000 said on July 13, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.

Praying Evil Ryu gets his fixes on his faulty mid range game.

#58
KiD_LupE said on July 13, 2013 at 1:16 p.m.

OF course I have to wait to see the changes on the characters I actually use lol. Oh well good stuff anyway

#59
WinstonChurchill said on July 13, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.

Don't be too harsh on Akuma :(

#60
uguumachine said on July 13, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.

Cammy still top tier and braindead.

#61
IMainDanHibiki said on July 13, 2013 at 1:20 p.m.

Those are some pitiful Yang buffs. Hope his real list is a grocery list.

#62
ashvanden said on July 13, 2013 at 1:20 p.m.

where's my oilryuken?

#63
Rootsat said on July 13, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.

58# we need E.Ryu buffs but not for Sako xDlol

#64
blzd said on July 13, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.

where are you guys getting this info is it on a stream or what? i would like to know what the new stages are going to be

#65
xMessatsu said on July 13, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.

I wanna See E.Ryu Buffs!!

#66
theramin said on July 13, 2013 at 1:27 p.m.

>Chun Li
>Health increased to 950.
>EX Flip Kick breaks armor.
All I wanted.

#67
RoanHen said on July 13, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.

Just wanna see Dan changes

#68
DJay2411 said on July 13, 2013 at 1:30 p.m.

Nice for Yang to have faster startup on st.lk - I hope it's back to 3 frames, but 4 would be nice.

#69
Falbala said on July 13, 2013 at 1:30 p.m.

@54: Balrog's headbutt has always been punishable, even in super, same with all the dash P. except for Lp straight in at the right distance...the fact that they reduce its recovery won't make it op. He wasn't top in super or vanilla and had way more than that.

#70
tonsetzer said on July 13, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.

Less vortex for Ibuki, will be interesting if Akumas vortex also gets nerfed. New chars are great news but will Capcom be able to balance them correctly right from the start?

#71
IntuitionImpulse said on July 13, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.

I'm surprised and curious about the Cammy buff to her Cannon Strike. Perhaps they plan to reduce the block stun or something, or maybe they think the lower damage and stun warrants this change?

#72
TataJooma said on July 13, 2013 at 1:36 p.m.

But what about Rose!
And that Cannon Stride buff.
C'mon Capcom!

#73
zombiebrian said on July 13, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.

That all we getting just now do we need to wait till sdcc for the rest NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

#74
Drifter said on July 13, 2013 at 1:46 p.m.

WHERE'S FUERTE?!?!?!

#75
VulcanHades said on July 13, 2013 at 1:48 p.m.

So do you guys think those Chun buffs are going to matter? They look kinda weird..

EX fireball to knockdown on hit? Is that a soft or hard KD?

I'm glad she does more damage though. She's supposed to be the strongest woman on earth ffs.

#76
Tensa said on July 13, 2013 at 1:48 p.m.

ah so Cammy got light nerfs which is fine can't wait to see the Sakura changes

#77
wonzan said on July 13, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.

The vega changes are barely significant. Faster U2 is nice but with good players using safe jumps it is not really useful. Cr.lp having a longer hitstun is ok but vega prefers to stay away, not get into cr.lp range. The problems vega has were not addressed. This really hasn't helped him catch up to the top tiers at all.....

#78
MetroCityPub said on July 13, 2013 at 1:56 p.m.

Disappointed...expected more out of the Yang buffs.

What the hell is this?
Jumping middle throw? Hope they make sense of this.

St.lk short start up is a great thing though.

#79
No_Surrender said on July 13, 2013 at 2 p.m.
#80
Daedae22 said on July 13, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.

Nice all I wanted for Ken faster walk speed and more dmg on U1. Combo to sweep is whatever for me.

#81
Jennyfromtheblock said on July 13, 2013 at 2:04 p.m.

BasatoAngelo: never gonna happen you gonna live with morrigon and your gonna learn to like it.

#82
nocturnal said on July 13, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.


"• Hit stun increased on Crouching Light Punch."
Oh YEAH!

#83
YoraiDragon said on July 13, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.

*rubs hands together* >=) come on Makoto~

#84
cris25 said on July 13, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.

Crap, where is Vega anti-air?

#85
cris25 said on July 13, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.

Crap, where is Vega's anti-air?

#86
CheeseCakez said on July 13, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.

Give everyone a divekick.

#87
zombiebrian said on July 13, 2013 at 2:18 p.m.

Bring it on df.lk is back damage buff and mostley buffs ... happy days even rose is getting buffs good time ahead

#88
Kentuky1 said on July 13, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
#89
EnsignHiro said on July 13, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.

Good now ex soul spiral is actually a good reversal

#90
bunny said on July 13, 2013 at 2:25 p.m.

this is a great update going to being playing this hardcore again.

#91
ODLowKi said on July 13, 2013 at 2:34 p.m.

Chun-Li got a crazy buff lol.

#92
ChaosxPaladin said on July 13, 2013 at 2:35 p.m.

What the heck?! That's all Yang gets?! What a bummer, I want those two landing frames removed from his dive kick! Thankfully, its still early so more changes are possible, but they better make more changes!

#93
sarif2soon said on July 13, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.

waiting for seth buffs.
seriously, you don't see him much in top 8 or 16 (9 times in 46 tournaments according to Ehubs stats).

#94
rvnender said on July 13, 2013 at 2:37 p.m.

Makoto for broken tier

#95
qcevolution said on July 13, 2013 at 2:37 p.m.

FINALLY Rose has a viable wake-up option! :D :D :D

#96
foolly said on July 13, 2013 at 2:40 p.m.

They've killed Ibuki. Normal neck breaker now has fast stand up?? wow thats a big nerf, lets see what her normals look like

#97
IntuitionImpulse said on July 13, 2013 at 2:41 p.m.

@75 I think what Chun Li needs is mixup options on opponents wakeup. What prevents them from holding down/back? Only a throw. Hasanshu is 25 frame startup and super easy to react to. Her overhead animation is also easy to react to as it hits high first. And her cross up is barely ever even +3 on hit unless you press lk at the end of the jump arch. But at that point it's obvious which way your opponent should block so it loses it's purpose.
Another thing she could use is a proper anti air that's not so situational like her others. Or better hitbox on SBK, on the backside of it as it gets stuffed out by a lot of normals and specials.

#98
samuraikatana1 said on July 13, 2013 at 2:41 p.m.

I do believe Chun is viable again.

#99
Necreon said on July 13, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.

Why no antiair hit light scarlet terror -> ultra 1 for Vega? That's not that easy to do and he flies right through the opponent, it's supposed to hit! Ohhh man, so disappointing.

Yang's crossup is not given back? What is this nonsense?

@36 Seems to be fake. Alex isn't announced yet he is on the pictures.

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