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Niitsuma cites contract issues for lack of updates to Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, doesn't have any EVO related projects currently

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • January 17, 2013 at 10:45 a.m. PST
Niitsuma cites contract issues for lack of updates to Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, doesn't have any EVO related projects currently A few people in the community wondered why Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 hasn't received as many updates as Street Fighter X Tekken, and Capcom's Ryota Niitsuma stepped in to clarify what was going on behind the scenes and talk about if he plans on attending EVO 2013.

HolaSensitive: I'm very upset that you didn't update Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, but Street Fighter X Tekken has been updated like 10 times. I'm very sad Mr Niitsuma. Who decides this?

Niitsuma: I am truly sorry. I am sorry, but I can't explain it all here. Due to various contract issues we can't do updates the way SFxT does.

Dios_X_Reloaded: Come to Evo 2013 Niitsuma!

Niitsuma: I don't have any projects related to EVO for now, so I would have to go there on my own dime.

The community has made a fairly big push lately to get additional updates to UMvC3, and both Marvel and Capcom have acknowledged our efforts and responded to them. Capcom has stated on many occasions that there's nothing in the works at this time in regards to UMvC3, so we'll have to wait and see if they can work out a new deal with Marvel in the future.

Source: Niitsuma's Twitter.

Comments

NoizyChild said on January 17, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.

In short, Niitsuma said what those of us with common sense have been saying for months now.

Good story.

#1
jme said on January 17, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.

Whoever is asking these questions are obviously plugging their ears in to everything has to do with no updates to marvel.

#2
h1tm0nl33 said on January 17, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.

Blame Marvel. :/

#3
chosenst said on January 17, 2013 at 11 a.m.

Don't understand how 'contract' issues affect updating a game. Adding new characters or making a new game, sure.. but this game is already complete; the roster and game mechanics are already there. Minor balance tweaks and game play changes don't seem like they would have any correlation to a new or even a preexisting contract.

#4
DevilMaySpy said on January 17, 2013 at 11:01 a.m.

@1: Years now.

#5
THE_GODDAMN_MASTER said on January 17, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.

What #4 said.
So they can't change the game at all, not even making Hidden Missiles disappear when Doom is hit?
How is that a thing?

#6
Porkstew said on January 17, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.

Marvel is owned by Disney, who is notoriously anal about their intellectual property rights. Disney has sued daycare centers because they painted Mickey Mouse on the wall.

#7
EG2 said on January 17, 2013 at 11:06 a.m.

@1 Nailed it.

@4 Licensing. It's insanely complicated and contracts are insanely specific, even as far as updating an existing title. Contracts often have set end dates too.

#8
iMTopTier said on January 17, 2013 at 11:13 a.m.

if Marvel/Disney doesnt approve the updates or whatever Capcom has wants to do Capcom CANT do anything

#9
Tensa said on January 17, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.

I know Capcom wants to update marvel because there is money to be made since its really hot right now but contract issues is a real pain I know its very hard work an other companies wanna use the license to marvel as well

#10
EG2 said on January 17, 2013 at 11:17 a.m.

@6 Obviously not as it stands now. I know it sounds silly, but apparently unless they renegotiate something, any other updates are off-limits. It's probably just not worth the effort and costs involved at this point. Remember how MvC2 Xbox was supposed to have online play added originally, but they had to scrap it. Probably similar thing here. Sad.

#11
Strider_Hien said on January 17, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.

And with this,until something palpable....concrete takes place,I will forget about updates for Marvel.

Now,to play the game as best as I can.Looking forward to the future...

#12
Mac_Gargan said on January 17, 2013 at 11:19 a.m.


CAPCOM has said more than once that legal fees are killing them, otherwise they would do a lot more updates, DLC and old arcade releases.

#13
samuraikatana1 said on January 17, 2013 at 11:21 a.m.

We know this already, it is a logistics nightmare when it comes to dually owned properties such as Marvel and Capcom. I swear some of the people pestering Nitsuma with these stupid questions make the rest of the sensible FGC look bad.

#14
NoizyChild said on January 17, 2013 at 11:21 a.m.

Disney has said repeatedly that they will not interfere in Marvel's operations. It's all on Marvel.

#15
reyray0709 said on January 17, 2013 at 11:22 a.m.

The Marvel license expired about a year ago.

#16
Jennyfromtheblock said on January 17, 2013 at 11:26 a.m.

I think this is basically irrelevant to people who want to blame Capcom for because unless Capcom comes out and puts the contract they signed with Marvel on the internet they are still gonna complain.

#17
Jerseyman55 said on January 17, 2013 at 11:34 a.m.

they need to fix the netcode first, and im sure that doesnt have any contract involvement there, since it doesnt involve any characters. but you can mainly thank marvel for holding things out

#18
EG2 said on January 17, 2013 at 11:42 a.m.

@18. Actually it most likely would. They can't modify the product at this time under the current contract, or patches would still be on the table. It doesn't matter if characters aren't involved if it's modifying the product. Contracts are that specific.

#19
SnakeX said on January 17, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.

Okay seriously, who are these people that keep asking the same questions over and over? Obviously the answers aren't hidden and they get reposted on every major fighting game news site so WTF? At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Sven and Niitsuma simply start copy+pasting responses.

@4 & 6

Because they'd be making changes to a game with characters that are owned by Marvel and were licensed out in a contract. Because the contract expired, they can't touch the game. It sounds stiff but that's just how it goes. Any alterations are off limits without a deal between the two.

#20
blazebwoy said on January 17, 2013 at 11:45 a.m.
#21
roknin said on January 17, 2013 at 11:46 a.m.

@1 - "In short, Niitsuma said what those of us with common sense have been saying for months now."

Freakin' exactly.

@4 - "What #4 said.
So they can't change the game at all, not even making Hidden Missiles disappear when Doom is hit?
How is that a thing?"

You'd be surprised what contracts can include, and essentially prohibit from happening.

----

And gawdd-effing-darnit, why do people bring up SFxT's updates whenever this is mentioned? They are completely different dev teams that have very little - if anything- to do with each other. I know its fashionable to blame SFxT for everything right now, but can we at least use some common sense? SFxT's team is still active, the game is barely a year old, no major contract inhibitions to stop them from updating (right now), and the game was in a more dire need of an update.

UMvC3's team, not so much.

I will say its good to see that the MvC fans have been kind so far in requesting the update, good on them to push for it.

#22
king_e_dawg said on January 17, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.

This is all Niitsuma's way of saying "We don't care about you. In fact, we pretty much forgot about that game altogether. But you'll play it anyway because you can't get enough of dat Marvel HYPE."

Because I swear to god there is no legal or contractual precedent for being able to make Berserker Charge start up in 3 frames instead of 5 or whatever the hell it is. Marvel/Disney does not CARE about that.

#23
Lomito said on January 17, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.

at least they could give us the full intro u_u

#24
FoxHound24 said on January 17, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.

WHY DISNEY?! WHY?!!!! YOU ALREADY HAVE STAR WARS WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT?!

-Disney: "Complete Global Saturation...."

#25
Tensa said on January 17, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.

@23 How do you know there is no issue? You work for Capcom?

#26
king_e_dawg said on January 17, 2013 at 12:08 p.m.

@26 Do you? How do you know there is?

#27
EG2 said on January 17, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.

@23 You are absolutely wrong on this. They may not care about such frame changes necessarily, but there are absolutely precedents and legal agreements preventing a product from being altered in any form, regardless of how minute the tweaks are themselves. Any changes to the product require some sort of new contract for work. That's exactly what they're saying. This sort of thing isn't a mystery. Do some research on IP contracts and legalities involved. Blame the lawyers.

#28
HooliganComboFTW said on January 17, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.

Not surprised with this at all. Of course we will have another 20 more articles to come about the speculation of Marvel 3 update and repeat the cycle

#29
Xykes said on January 17, 2013 at 12:43 p.m.

"HolaSensitive: I'm very upset that you didn't update Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, but Street Fighter X Tekken has been updated like 10 times. I'm very sad Mr Niitsuma. Who decides this? "

Umm...what the heck are you people talking about?

Marvel has been updated a million times already.

What the heck does the word ULTIMATE in front of MvC3 mean to you? Did you miss that part?
What about the several patches to vanilla? What about the patches to Ultimate?

How many updates do you want? Geez.

#30
kirbykirbykirby said on January 17, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.

But didn't he patch out the costume glitch? I don't get it and there is nothing wrong in asking this man for dlc. It's not being annoying its part of the business and shows interest that people want it.

#31
AC said on January 17, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.

#4 and #23

I swear it's people like you that keep asking for marvel updates when you know it's already not possible. You don't think Capcom wants to make more money? It's cause they CAN'T which has been the issue for like the past year or so already.

Man, take a law course or read some books about it so you don't come up with stupid comments again. I'm sure a lot of people are facepalming already with idiots posting "OMG WHY YOU NO UPDATE MARVEL, NITSUMA? WHY?"

#32
blazebwoy said on January 17, 2013 at 12:56 p.m.

to haters
yeah because fan demand didnt get MvC2 released or U/MvC3 made after years of demanding?,we fans are asking for it now whilst the iron is still hot and there is still hype for this game.
yeah there are contract issues but new contracts can be done,before anyone brings up that the dev team moved on,well in video games people move around and new people get hired,its totally possible if enough fans pressure Marvel

https://www.change.org/petitions/marv...

#33
Lyn said on January 17, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.

So they can throw more characters you don't want in your faces?

Bahahaha! I can drink to that.

#34
Ex_Ein said on January 17, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.

Lyn i'm all for UMVC3's cast.

#35
OhYouDontSayThat said on January 17, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.

sign the f*cking papers and update marvel already!!!!!! whenever capcom is lazy they just say "contracts" or "copy right" and then expect us to be like okay forget it then.

#36
MrPFloyd said on January 17, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.

I'm 95 percent positive they can patch it even if the license is over. Too bad that's not my area of expertise in law.

#37
king_e_dawg said on January 17, 2013 at 2:06 p.m.

Of course I understand intellectual property. It's the same reason Capcom has to go through a grueling months-long negotiation with Namco Bandai every time they want to patch SFxTOH WAIT.

Besides, you're all acting like Marvel's never been patched. Remember when Sentinel had crazy health? Didn't they patch a couple things, like throw breakaways, soon after Ultimate launched? Didn't seem like that big a deal did it? No reason they can't change other things, and any reason they give besides "we don't really feel like it" is a steaming load.

#38
Ex_Ein said on January 17, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.

@36
Marvel was bought OUT since the intial dealing and it is a matter of copyright and contracts. Copyright and contracts has always been a huge issue in comic characters. Hell last year and 15 year ON GOING LAWSUIT was FINALLY settled over who owns Angela(a spawn character). Then there's always the fact that the original creators estate can (and does alot of the time) sue over a character. Like the families of superman's creators both have sued DC for control of superman and just two years ago it was settled that one of them had no legal title.

If Capcom violates contract and updates without Disney/Marvels legal okay they will probably be sued and you can bet any plans on any MVC4 or Marvel Capcom cross over will be tossed out for LONG a while.

#39
mozart0341 said on January 17, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.

Guys we have to kill Marvel with kindness to me thats one of the best ways to loosen their grips on the contract and licensing issues. I just wish I knew who was in charge of that to send it to email address.

#40
Ex_Ein said on January 17, 2013 at 2:15 p.m.

King_e_dawg
that is probably the most idoitic thing i've read about updating this game
there's a hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeee difference between Namco bandai and Marvel/Disney. Namely Namco bandai is a game dev so they know how hard it is to making a game and fix it after word. So they probably has a more loose contract on patching SFXT and plus they're developing TXSF!
Disney/Marvel is very picky and rarely take a huge finical risk in terms of projects that's how they got to this point!

With Namco bandai doing TxSF it's a very open legal line of contact, since Namco bandai is probably still in the asking stages for character roster. Once both games are out expect that line to erode quickly, especially if either Ono leaves capcom or Harada leaves Namco Bandi.

#41
JiCi said on January 17, 2013 at 2:18 p.m.

TL;DR
Niitsuma: "I don't care about MvC anymore, so please stop bugging me about it."

#42
Crazcar said on January 17, 2013 at 2:22 p.m.

Why are the highlighted twitter questions that ask for something almost always seem like they hit "Enter" before thinking about it? -.-

I want also an update to Marvel, being either a balance patch or title update, but do they not understand that the team is disbanded AND Marvel is the main entity that makes most of the decisions?

Laws, contacts, etc are sometimes (intentionally) a pain to understand and between two big companies if one goes out of bounds then they can get sued. Marvel being the bigger of the two of course gives them all the leverage, the only thing that they can't dictate is the Capcom character side and maybe some game mechanics.

The only way we're going to get anything is if we continue to ask the head Marvel guys, sad thing is we only really found out who those guys are a few days ago.

#43
jackbot said on January 17, 2013 at 2:22 p.m.

ok, ok... i see lots of you saying "contracts may be VERY specific and incredibly restrictive, so even a balance patch might be impossible to release". and i see your point, but do you remember the patch that nerfed pw's assist, and removed loads of glitches? how did they release that, even assuming that they made an absurdly restrictive contract? so, this would mean that a balance patch IS possible, the problem is that they probably want to charge for it, but then we would have to pay only for a balance patch, and that'd be pretty lame... they would probably like to, at least, add some brand new stuff (like characters or stages) for it to be a paid patch.

#44
Ex_Ein said on January 17, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.

@jackbot "lets fix and obivioussly broken part of our game that makes it impossible to play if this broken part happens" vs "people are complaining about we should tweak this"
Disney/Marvel wouldn't understand why you have to change it, as they don't do video games. Their attempts to have mostly been bad like all their epic mickey titles with very basic problems (bad camera and subpar platforming)

Also a both arcade 2012 and SFXT 2013 show they wouldn't make you pay for it

#45
Crazcar said on January 17, 2013 at 2:34 p.m.

@44

Likely because they still had a contract at that time (over a year ago). Even the last patch, I believe, was just to removed the Magneto costume as it was "offensive" (in Spain?) and that was back in April. And the one before that I think was just to stop the bug where you can select the DLC costumes without buying them. The last real patch was 1.01, a bit after the game came out.

#46
Ex_Ein said on January 17, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.

For everyone saying "Oh they're just being lazy"
Make a cross over game with a 6+ billion dollar company that doesn't make video game and licence a few of their characters
Now, say the fans of said game want a tweak patch but your contracts don't cover patching it for balance tweaks after a period of time.
See how many Lawyers and hoops you'll have to jump through just to negotiate that.

#47
king_e_dawg said on January 17, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.

Ex_Ein, I do so love when people who can barely write a coherent sentence call me an idiot, and I can tell this is your pet project for the day, but am I to believe that Marvel is such a fascist company that NO developer who has ever made a game based on their characters has ever been able to release something as standard as a netcode patch because their contracts are so incredibly specific???

Because I've seen many Marvel games and I know at least one, LIKE I SAID, has been patched. You think Activision can't fix things in a Spider-Man game because they have to wait a couple years for approval? Either Capcom signed the most restrictive licensing agreement in the history of video games or they are feeding you a line.

#48
Chenda_Sheen said on January 17, 2013 at 3:26 p.m.

It's been stressed that Marvel was really particular about the smallest things such as the way Doctor Strange gestured his hands and fingers during a spell.. that's answer enough.

#49
koolersama said on January 17, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.

i dont understand how people can blame marvel when capcom has been churning out poorly made games for a while now.nearly all the characters that need nerfing are on the capcom side,whats that have to do with marvel.they are simply bsing because they know an update wont bring in revenue.

#50
EG2 said on January 17, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.

UMvC3 patches have come out, but there would have to have been a contract in place or something fast-tracked like the Magneto costume fix in what essentially let people get paid licensed content for free. You can bet that would get settled quickly. That might still have fallen under their original contract window.

Why can't people get their stubborn heads around that fact that AT THIS POINT there is no contract in place to modify this game which uses Marvel's licensed IP. LIKE THEY JUST SAID. Those who just say "just write up a new contract" and don't be lazy have no grasp on the reality of business and IP or cover their ears and refuse to educate themselves. There's nothing in place to allow modifying the game now. The contract process is time and resource consuming and costly and involves many parties, regardless of the meat of the patch. Maybe it's would cost way more than the return they would see by releasing a patch, which would likely be negligible.

Did you know why the games on demand version of UMvC3 took so long to release? As stated by Capcom there was an legal issue with an existing logo in the game that had to get sorted out, just to release it digitally with no new content changes. It delayed it by what, a year? So obviously there's date-sensitive and really minute stuff among other things the legal people are super-sensitive to. Obviously there are reasons nothing is in place for updates. LIKE THEY JUST SAID. They just can't get into it publicly. I don't see what people don't understand at this point. You can still rally for a them to get together to renegotiate something new, but it's asking for a very big feat.

Oh, and if you still don't think there's a lot of complicated stuff, read this explanation from Sven about licensing:
http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_capco...

#51
Timic83 said on January 17, 2013 at 4 p.m.

must be a real nightmare for Superbot to get 2kgames, Namco, Konami and Capcom's permission to do patches for their game... oh wait

#52
Ex_Ein said on January 17, 2013 at 4:10 p.m.

@king_e_dawg
*looks at every Marvel game to date, looks at how many have netcode patches(hint: 0)*....yes I'm saying that....
Also, activision fall outside of that as they usually make deals and contracts (with a lot of money behind those contracts) to give them legal wiggle room. Also they've worked with Marvel since the 90's with no breaks and gotten in so well that Stan lee to come in(which he's not contractually obligated to) on more than a few of their game.

There are things about contracts such as terms & conditions that literaly can say:"After this point in time, you have to renew your contract. Also we have all right to deny you this renewel if we find the purpose a waste of our time." Why would Niitsuma tell us it's Marvel when he could have just said NOTHING? especially, if what he said is untrue because he and Capcom are now liable to get sued over defamatory remarks toward Marvel/Disney(which Disney is quick on the "Send in the lawyers" trigger to the point they will sue porn sites and parodies if they feel they can win the case).

I'll leave you with qouting this comment "It's been stressed that Marvel was really particular about the smallest things such as the way Doctor Strange gestured his hands and fingers during a spell." Now think on that and how fast they were to remove Magneto's costume...

If they wanted this done It would have been done a while ago! Niitsuma has been loud on how much he's proud of UMVC3 and if Capcom wanted UMVC3 buried they would have told Niitsuma to not say sh!t in response to anything or lose his job. Kinda like how Seth would always say "you never know" when asked about a crossover project while working for Capcom.

#53
Ex_Ein said on January 17, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.

Timic83 look at comment 47..

#54
MarthFE said on January 17, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.

Sorry to disappoint the haters who for whatever reason don't want to accept that it's not impossible it will be updated... See, if we stop asking then yes it will be impossible... Fan demand is enough. I'm pretty sure it will happen. Tvc happened and even got the ok to go overseas. Mvc3 happened and even adding strider to ultimate happened... Capcom may like our money (and why wouldn't they?) but they really try to get what the fans want. I'm sure they won't stop trying. Especially when there's money to be made for both parties, Disney or not.

#55
Crazcar said on January 17, 2013 at 4:26 p.m.

#51 Has the idea.

@52 It's because SuperBot just develops PSAS for Sony, and Sony is the one that does their licensing work. And Sony, being a household brand name, can easily manage to negotiate to get mostly any character they want in the game. It helps that those other companies make their own games as well, unlike Marvel. Plus, Marvel is a far bigger company than Capcom, and if they don't want to make another contract then there is nothing that can be done unless enough people KINDLY ask for at least a patch.
Worse case scenario is we get nothing, best case scenario is we get another Marvel advertisement. >.>

#56
Ex_Ein said on January 17, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.

I'm not saying it's impossible or to stop asking but the fact ya'll want to mainly blame capcom is kinda funny to me as ya'll need to talk Marvel/Disney

#57
Torrie_De_Goddess said on January 17, 2013 at 4:40 p.m.

Some of you are far too incredulous; Disney has nothing to do with the contract. They're only involved with Marvel's film franchise. It's obvious that if Marvel wants an update, they'll lease out the contract in time for the next Avengers film for 2015. Work with what you have already.

#58
MarthFE said on January 17, 2013 at 5:06 p.m.

By that time they'll go for another game. Doubt they'll look back to mvc3 that far away.
Although I admit to having some common sense... Definitely can't blame capcom.

Consumers are partially at fault too but I'd rather not start a fight...

#59
king_e_dawg said on January 17, 2013 at 5:40 p.m.

Ex_Ein, I've almost given up trying to make sense of your posts. Your entire line of reasoning... well, it kinda reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEFB0o...

And then you quote another comment like it's something Ben Franklin said? Hilarious. But you're still not answering my question. Even if you were some kind of legal mastermind (which, I'm guessing from your spelling of "renewel," you're not), how do you explain the fact that THE GAME HAS ALREADY BEEN PATCHED SEVERAL TIMES? Sent's health, PW's assist... clearly nothing contractual stopped them from doing that. So why would it be stopping them now?

#60
Oranos said on January 17, 2013 at 5:54 p.m.

Does anyone know the official date for when the Marvel licensing "ended" for Capcom? I want to know if we received UMvC3 only because the license was about to end :(

#61
GeoKenshin said on January 17, 2013 at 6:25 p.m.

Okay we need a lawyer. What does Ultradavid have to say about this? I mean I know he doesn't play Marvel but surely he knows some things and how they work more so they we do.

How can they take out the Magneto costume because "it will offend Spain" and yet not touch any other small change one or two lines of code things even though "it will offend fans".

If legally their hands are tied thats fine. BUT If they waited too long to do something when they could have OR are just sitting doing nothing now with full ability to at least touch their characters then that is not okay.

#62
EG2 said on January 17, 2013 at 6:28 p.m.

king_e_dawg: Easy to explain. Contracts also have set end dates and terms. When they came out is a factor. If they came out within the window specified, no problem, but after it ends, not so much. For example Capcom can no longer print Tatsunko vs. Capcom, and Activision had to pull down Ultimate Alliance 2 DLC character downloads due to the license lapsing.

Oranos: No one knows the details really. It's never been said. They can't really go into details publicly or risk alienating Marvel.

GeoKenshin: That patch could have come in the window in which agreed upon in the terms, or they could have made a special arrangement due to the very real threat of legal action from Spain, or both.

#63
Evilhero said on January 17, 2013 at 7:36 p.m.

I think for Marvel, saying "no further changes can be made past this date" is a much easier term for lawyers and what not to understand.

We saw how anal Marvel was about their characters (someone mentioned, they wanted to make sure they got Dr. Strange's hand motions correct.) Marvel doesn't want their characters getting messed up through a balance patch.

I know that sounds silly, but look at it from the stand point of someone who doesn't know fighting games. Lawyers don't know what 'frames' are. Instead of outlining in a contract "frames/hit/hurtboxes can be changed" it's so much easier to just say "Can't make any changes."

It's not that the legal issues are super specific, it's that they're too broad. At least that's what it looks like from my stand point.

#64
koolersama said on January 17, 2013 at 8:15 p.m.

@evilhero you make it sound like every1 who isnt playing fighting games is an idiot. i'm pretty sure Marvel workers can figure how what a balance patch is. also,all legal documents are very specific thats the reason y lawyers write them up an not regular people.

@Ex_Ein your are assuming too much about contracts you've never seen.

#65
slayereyez said on January 17, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.

I'm a go out on a limb and say the majority of people posting here have no idea what kind of red tape you have to cut through to get an update out. Not just for marvel for any game 1st patch is free anything after that the publisher has to pay Microsoft/Sony for. Unless capcom charges it's customer's for a marvel balance update/patch it's not gonna happen. I'm disappointed but everyone should kinda get over it and stop itching.

#66
Graphf said on January 17, 2013 at 8:35 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#67
Ex_Ein said on January 17, 2013 at 9:20 p.m.

Kooler, I might not, however you got to admit it makes sense with the position we've been put in that that is exactly what might be happening.

@King
You asked:
" but am I to believe that Marvel is such a fascist company that NO developer who has ever made a game based on their characters has ever been able to release something as standard as a netcode patch because their contracts are so incredibly specific???"
I replied:
"*looks at every Marvel game to date, looks at how many have netcode patches(hint: 0)*....yes I'm saying that...."

It got patched due to the fact >the contract hadn't expired at the time<.

If a contact expires you need to renew however if a party doesn't want to renew it, nothing can happen(which appears to be the case). It's not the most restrictive agreement just one for a shorter term then you'd think. You forget every previous Marvel game in HD or at least DLC era were only supported for about 6 to 12 month. we are currently 14 months after release of UMVC as of the 15th, so I think Marvel's contract has likely expired. Just be glad, before the DLC era it was rare to see a marvel game get any update/fix unless it was in a full on sequel.

I'm not trying to filibuster you. I said this before about it's most likely the contract has expired and as Niitsuma has said, it's all Marvel (baby!!) who's holding it up.

Also don't say "from the way you misspelled this one word you're obviously not" as everyone messes up every once in a while

#68
KCJ506 said on January 17, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.

I've basically been telling people this for I don't know how long now. Some just don't listen and usually say things like "It's Capcom's game! They can do whatever they want with it!"

Learn how licensing works people.

#69
IMainDanHibiki said on January 17, 2013 at 10:26 p.m.

You guys just can't take a simple no for an answer.

#70
Tensa said on January 17, 2013 at 11 p.m.

Niitsuma says its hard to explain an he knows we want more marvel so only thing left is to bug again I guess license stuff its really complex <_<

#71
neogm said on January 17, 2013 at 11:18 p.m.

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#72
HolyGhost said on January 18, 2013 at 3:16 a.m.

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#73
edrigo said on January 18, 2013 at 4:37 a.m.

There was an article earlier that pointed out a pr/community guy to contact at marvel. People need to focus there efforts on that instead of arguing bs points of logic. Capcom have done everything they can you've been shown a path to take either u do it or have stupid arguments blaming capcom.

Yes it's that simple

#74
xShonuffx said on January 18, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.

@71 The squeaky wheel gets the oil so plug your ears.

#75
letaelba788 said on January 23, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.

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