2012 North American Player of the Year for SSF4 AE v2012 and UMvC3 goes to Justin Wong, Filipino Champ and Chris G by Corner Pressure

hmm jwong top ssf4ae player of the year? I think he did good but I think dieminion an snake eyez did better,an I do agree with ChrisG being the best umvc3 player an I dont see that changing anytime soon

I would have to say somebody who blames their losses on their character does not deserve POY. Just sayin'.

Said it on Facebook already, but I'll say it here too:

From an unbiased standpoint, I think those people are impressed because he showed all of his stuff in casuals against high caliber players on a bi daily basis and still won most things he entered(TNT, FFF). The commonly accepted mentality is to hold back in casuals and save your stuff for the tournament, so since FChamp broadcasted himself using his main team most of the time and still placed Top 8 at the majors he attended, he got a lot of points for that, but the fact of the matter is you(Chris)attended almost every major, won at least 30/52 Big Twos and I can't remember the last time you lost at The Break.

With that said, lets tally up the yearly results:

Winter Brawl: Chris G 2nd/FChamp N/A
Final Round: Chris G 5th/FChamp 7th
Nor Cal Regionals: Chris G 9th/FChamp 1st
PowerUp: Chris G 1st/FChamp N/A
Civil War 4: Chris G 1st/FChamp N/A
UFGT 8: Chris G 1st/FChamp N/A
Northwest Majors: Chris G N/A/FChamp 1st
ECT 4: Chris G 5th/FChamp 4th
CEO: Chris G 2nd/FChamp 4th
EVO: Chris G 3rd/FChamp 1st
Seasons Beatings 7: Chris G 1st/FChamp 4th (after beating him 15-10)
Canada Cup: Chris G 9th/FChamp 7th
NEC 13: Chris G 1st/FChamp N/A

Now wouldn't you think player of the year should be decided based on overall yearly performance?

I don't agree with Jwong. And Chris is ahead of Champ.

@Devilmayspy

Comment of the year 2013.

Thanks Sweecide. Also forgot to add Apex: Chris G 5th/FChamp N/A

Justin Wong "dominated" the first half of the year yet in that period Ricky Ortiz won more majors then him, how odd.

I think you folks are forgetting that FChamp won the most important tournament of the year, the one that determines the best in the world...EVO. I think that alone gives him this title. JWong I don't really know, I haven't followed AE as closely this year. I think they were spot on awarding the title to both Champ and Chris G.

J Wong being AE player of the year just like hes the Forza player of the year too.

I'd put Chris G over Champ for player of the Year, but I can understand why they split. What Champ was doing at the beginning of the year was pretty sensational.

@3 you're missing a few tournaments; Shadowloo Showdown and the Curleh Mustaches come to mind immediately.

You're right about Shadowloo (Chris G N/A/FChamp 2nd), but as stacked as it is, Curleh is not a major. Even if you wanted to make that a factor, they're split evenly with 1 a piece.

@Illness We had a discussion about this before, and while I understand your point, I just can't disagree with the idea that winning one tournament, albeit the biggest tournament of the year, is enough to call someone the player of the year. There was still 5 months of tournaments after Evo, and I just can't ignore those.

@11 with the level of competition at the Curleh Mustaches, I would personally call it a major, it's equally as far that you wouldn't since it is invite only (unless I'm mistaken). And you're right, they both won one apiece, so it shakes out as a moot point in the end.

Thanks for tallying up their tourney wins though. That's some cool information that you compiled.

Let us not forget that Marvel had evolved since EVO. It's not fair for Chris to be the current best but have his shine taken away cause Champ took EVO in the middle of 2012???

@12 EVO has competition from all over the world, the majors after that don't have as much worldwide competition. I feel like if you can take 1st place in a tournament with that many competitors from several different countries that says a lot. I think that alone is deserving of player of the year. Chris G has been winning a lot too, but he hasn't won an EVO yet. I think both players deserve that title, I wouldn't give it to one over the other, they've both done amazing things in 2012.

People using EVO as the entire basis of their argument:

Lets be serious here: Would anyone call Viscant player of the year in 2011?

I'm sorry Illness. Yes, competition from all over the world... BUT WE ARE TALKING MARVEL. USA bodies the world free.

@16 Viscant was a Phoenix fraud before the nerf, so no. I just wouldn't feel right awarding the title to one player over the other. FChamp's been on point all year, but then so has Chris G. You can't discredit a legit EVO win either. I think both players deserve the title, and I'm sticking with that.

EDIT: My sister agrees with you guys, but I just don't see it. Eh, I could be wrong, but whatever lol

I respect it Illness, but sharing titles isn't allowed. Especially in Marvel.

It has nothing to do with being a fraud, what it comes down to is results. I believe this title belongs to the person who performed the most consistently throughout 2012, not just amazingly for 1/4th of the year.

@19 True. @20 I respect it.

Chris "Genuis" Gonzalez

Oh the irony. Kappa

On topic: I agree with ChrisG being the player of the year. Lame, broken or what have you; He's still consistently won every tournament or at least placed very high in them in terms of Marvel.

As for Jwong I don't follow SSFIV very much so I haven't a say.

I'm kinda glad that the two POY winners for Marvel both brought a defensive style to such an offense-driven game.

I was getting bored of seeing people throw themselves at the opponent over and over whilst mashing assist before those two came along...well, switched full-time to their defensive/zoning teams.

I think Dieminion should have won player of the year for AE and this is coming from someone who really likes Justin Wong as a competitor and as a person. Kevin killed it this year for AE, while Justin only performed well. He didn't even place top 8 at EVO.

@ the EVO argument, it has it's merits. Do I agree? No. POY should be ChrisG especially due to the last few months. BUT, if you are calling at as a top player in a MAJOR, think of it like an E-Sport, then EVO is the Superbowl or World Series. It doesn't matter how awesome you are during the season, the best one is the one that takes the big one.

That said there would probably be way less issues with the CO-POY title if they had just called FChamp the West Coast POY and ChrisG the East.

You can't compare this to team sports because MVP is chosen before the playoffs. For a more accurate analogy, I would use Tennis:

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/...

As you can see, Serena was chosen based on her overall performance throughout the season, including but not limited to her Wimbledon and Olympic wins.

I think Chris G is definately POY no contest. While i gotta credit where its due about FChamp taking EVO, ChrisG has been extremely consistent this whole year, moreso than Champ has(and even then Champ was also pretty consistent based off of DevilMaySpy's data.) So yea Chris is definately number 1 with Champ not too far behind.

If Chris G didn't make 2 pelican decisions in the span of 5 marvel seconds at EVO. He'd be POTY alone, hands down, no contest. But, I agree with awarding it to both.

@23 I totally and completely agree with you. They altered the way the people had to think about the game, that's why I have the utmost respect for the players and how the changed the meta game.

@26 You nailed it.

So Corner Pressure thinks that only 2 fighting games exist?

@26

Well I mean that's because in most sports there's a MVP for the playoffs, too. I agree, though. Players aren't going to go to every single competition, there's no set amount of games or none of that to be listed. But I definitely think there could be some way to have some kind of dumb ass stats. I'm so glad you brought all this up because you make me wanna create some kind of schedule for notable players lol noting who;s playing in how many tournaments, how many top players are in that tournament with them, strength of schedule and whatnot.

@30 Those two fighters pretty much dominate the American scene. Personally I think it's because SF started it. Marvel is well . . . MAHVEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyways from what little I pay attention to tourneys one thing that always comes up is both FChamp and ChrisG. As for AE never really bothered.

SF4 BT-Dieminion
MVC3 FOR REAL AEG Chris g

Champ may won evo but Chris is still the better player because he beat him in a FT15

@Sweecide

my sarcasm-o-meter on that is off the chart

2012: Dieminion > Justin Wong

i don't give a damn how good FChamp is he is not worthy of player of the year.

ChrisG is the best atm. FChamp was the best around Evo, which is why he won. Basing it off of the whole year I'd still probably place ChrisG in front of Fchamp based on how much more he's dominated (with other smaller events like Big 2), but both are really good players.

Justin Wong? I don't know man. Correct me if I'm wrong, but since EVO 2012 he hasn't one a major since and has always been in bottom Top 8? His performance seems to be underwhelming compared to his supposed undisputed title of POY.

Both Chris G and Filipino Champ are worth of being co-POYs. Chris dominates and attends way more majors (since it is easier to do so from the east coast than it is on the west), while Champ won the most important tournament of the year.
Like DevilMaySpy said, Champ does not hide his tech; it's alway readily available because he's always streaming, he's always talking about it, he's always showing it off to other players, and he's always willing to play friendly sets or casuals with his mains. Even with all of that, he still does exceptionally well. That is a true mark of talent because even when his opponents know exactly what to expect, Champ still does great. His biggest weakness is that he doesn't recover well from getting flustered. This was evident in the set between Chris G and Champ, when Champ eventually broke down and turned what was a very close set into a 5-match convincing victory for Chris G.

On the other side, Chris G has mastered one of the most aggravating play styles in UMvC3 with his Morrigan team, which still does not have a concrete and tested counter, only theories. Playing Morrigan properly requires a ton of dexterity, and Chris G definitely has it. Using this super defensive plays style, he's managed to plow through a lot of tournaments with relative ease. Chris G also doesn't crack easily. Unlike Champ though, Chris G keeps his stuff away from everyone else. When he's not actually playing in big tourneys, he won't be using that team or showing it off at all. I am by no means trying to discredit him; his dominating record at tournaments speaks for itself. However, I always wonder if people actually had that lengthy experience in fighting a Morrigan of his caliber that things may be different. It's no secret that Chris G doesn't do casuals, sets, and friendly matches with his mains; he's the kind of player that likes to keep his tech locked up. Nobody gets to play it or gain experience against it unless it's in a tournament. Nobody gets to ask him the ins-and-outs of it. It's a mentality very much like that of Japanese players, who we all know are very successful at fighting games.

So yeah, there are pros and cons to each player. As far as basing it on just tournament performance, you have to keep in mind who are attending these tournaments. The level of competition is not always the same, and Corner Pressure kept that in mind I'm sure.

Both are worthy of 2012 POY. To pick one over the other is doing them a disservice.

Data can be represented in multiple ways.

For example, I can argue that tournaments where both Chris G and Filipino Champ attended held far more weight as to which player is better. Based on DevilMayCry's list, Filipino Champ ranked higher than Chris G 4 times while Chris G only ranked higher 3 times.

You can argue in turn that the other tournaments matters as well because there are other players that are just as goog as them but then you will have to start defining who those players are which is even more debatable than who is the best.

Justin Wong? LOLOLOL He can't even make it in Top 8 at EVO for Super Street Fighter IV. but okay. whatever...

Jwong player of the year? because he got perfected by problemX and get bodied @25th anniversary? Or because he got bopped @evo.Deminion was the most consistant player overall.

ChrisG and FChamp as POY is a no-brainer.

JWong as POY is cool I guess.