Dead or Alive 5+ shows off first person mode, new outfits, touch screen controls and more

DOA with more skimpy outfits and touchscreen interactivity...oh God why?!

Just signed up after viewing anonymously for the past couple of years. Thanks for the recognition!

Also, could the name change to William223? I felt like taking off the "b" for the website. I can send you verification through e-mail if needed.

pls stahp Teckoei

commenting on the Tina's suplex picture: let's see. You're in a place filled with sand, which dumbs down your movement. you're wearing next to nothing, which makes you feel "lighter" (I assume). Why the f*ck do you need to use heels when you're in a god damn beach?? Mind = Blown.

Sorry for thinking in too deep, I just wanted to look for even the most minuscule detail to complain about the game. Because, in all seriousness, to tell you the truth, DoA5+ looks extremely... ahm... "peculiar". And I'll leave it at that. Wait and play is the only thing left to do it seems

Before anyone goes on saying dumb stuff like "DOA is not a serious fighter"

Heres a thing all fighter games aren't meant to be taken serious anyway that includes SF, Tekken, MvC, MK etc.

The real deal is people themselves that takes a game serious, and just because a person took one game serious that doesn't mean the game itself was meant to be serious.

Everyone shouldn't get bent out of shape, learn to have fun with a game.

@William223

All good, change made.

Excellent. Now i can masturbate on the go!

@Catalyst

Cool, thanks! I'll be sure to keep a look out for any Vita fighting game news in the future, too.

@8

lol

@5

Them people that call there self hardcore fighting fans are close minded.

@11 I can understand that. Heck there are times where people got to be openminded.

wow.....

Im convinced this game is made for perverts lol smh

@5 No one even said anything, yet you're already on the defense. I wonder why? Hmm.

Wow a combo section? Neat. I don't own a Vita but eh I can wait til they implement it on the PS3.

@15 Even if no one said anything yet, I just put it up there just so they get the clear message before anyone goes ape crazy with comments from bashers, trolls, and haters. Even if doesn't work, oh well doesn't stop me from trying. I mean look at the other topics, they end up getting bombarded by pointless comments because people don't know when to ignore it.

@5: Counter argument incoming

Now, it's true. It's just a game, and peeps can have fun with it. Soccer's a game. Football's a game. Basketball's a game. Yet, those examples have evolved into something that are much more important than "just being a game". They created a competitive scene based on players playing that game. In a sense, video games have started down that path too. It may never grow to be even 1/6 as big, but it's going down that path.

So you got DOA that apparently wanted to be a "serious contender". Then you go around and add this type of stuff to the game. INSANELY thin one-piece swim suits (not even getting on the other costumes). Way too overdone win/lose poses (with heavy breathing for lose poses...while on the ground...). Gravity-defying boob physics that are (surprisingly) less realistic than Tekken Tag Two (they flop-n-plop, not bounce from slight movements and gestures). A large emphasis on SWEAT mechanics (I wonder why...hmm...). Then they do THIS? Why did they try so hard to convince us that DOA wants to be a fighter worthy of high level play, only to slink back to their old ways? All this does is prove that when other companies polish their fighting mechanics to sell units, DOA is trying to make their female roster wear less clothes to sell more units, then come back around and go "PUT US IN TOURNEYS! WE'RE AN AWESOME FIGHTING GAME! WE PROMISE!" Nope. Not working. Just turn this into what the fans want (apparently porn) or turn it into a fighter that actually puts the fighting as the focus of the game.

Lets ignore the fact that they improved the Training system to the point where now you can learn basically almost anything in training mode in this new update to the game. Lets not forget how fast Tecmo handles problems and balance issues within the game to make it where no one character dominates the game, making the game pretty balanced unlike a few main fighting games. Lets all ignore all those things about the game and focus our complaints on the visuals quickly calling it out on the fact that all the girls wear skimpy outfits and that is their main focus when they made this game. Ignoring how good the actually gameplay is.

I watched it. Too much guess-work with their whole punch/throw/hold system. Kind of looks like how I mashed substitution jutsu in Naruto when I was younger and blind to fighting game quality. The game-play isn't awful, but it's never gonna be taken seriously when they keep pulling this crap.

I am a huge doa fan (for its gameplay) and check a lot of forums... I do not remember ANYONE asking for this much Pervy stuff..

@18 I can understand this example of the games & competitive, however there are times where the people themselves takes things too competitively at the point where people get bent out of shape.

When it comes to DOA, the gameplay in general can be a tournament worthy it depends on who host the tournament. For the Lose pose this is something like if you were in a real fight and got beaten the living days out of you, its reflects of how it would be. The boob physics in general with DOA5 reflects of how the breast would do in real life, it always depends on the outfit (not making it up, I've seen few examples from certain real life people including TV. I don't got any intention to stare anyway.), the only thing that doesn't count was the recent patch where if you shake your sixaxis or dualshock controller the breast jiggle. At least its more tame than the previous games. The reason with the sweat is something that reflects if you were in a real fight.

From one of the interviews (if I remember), is that mostly the team wants the people to look more into DOA gameplay mechanics and even shows example of skilled DOA fighters. Ok the last thing I'm about to say, its going to be hard seeing eye to eye. Despite the outfits in the game, the team wants to change from what previous DOA games did in the past but at the same time keeping die hard fans happy. Like in my DOA5 artbook explained that Kasumi was really hard to change the details for the face, one certain person was soo stress he barely eaten and let himself starve until fans don't hate the new Kasumi, when Kasumi was about to annouce he was ready to pass out.

All I can say is DOA5 has improve from previous games its more tame, change the details of the characters even change certain characters breast size, and they didn't change too much about the game that fans would be betrayed. Look at other games example remakes or reboots some of them change too much that fans dislike it.

@20
Meaning you never played the game. It is guess work if you don't know the characters and their moves, but if you know the moves, you'll get countered and punished everytime you do something unsafe. Don't talk about a game when you have no idea how to play it. But that isn't going to stop you or 75% of the FGC from bad mouthing this game. You People act like the visual aspects of the game has some effect on the gameplay, but I guess bouncing tits distracts you guys from actually playing the game correctly.

Is the new Vita stuff (Obviously not the touch interface First Person mode) gonna head to console?

@24
From what I hear, yeah everything thats on the Vita verison is moving to the consoles as well. Something about not wanting one verison to be less inferior then the other.

@18

The game is already competitive, most agreed it was better than 4 in terms of balanced gameplay. And like what @19 stated, there are some awesome features most fighting games don't have.

People can't poke holes about the gameplay anymore. The Gameplay is actually pretty good. Hell the Training mode is REALLY good and the story mode is not too shabby for a fighting game (Seen better, but still better then anything 3d fighters so far bothered to try)

Instead, people will focus on the fan service side of DoA for their kicks. I mean look the last article netted 100+ comments unsurprisingly talking about how the boobs represent DoA and very little talk about the gameplay. Seriously feels like people forgot that there are a decent size Male roster in the game including Ryu Hayabusa and Akira for VF series

@19: It's called selling your product. I don't JUST play fighting games. I got 3 3DS games I want this year. That's $120 bucks, and seeing how I'm a full-time student in college, I don't got too much money to blow. Why would I toss money to the side "experimenting" with the game, knowing full well I'd have to play it with the door locked and the blinds closed? Like I said, mechanics don't look too bad, but it looks like a bit of sloppy guess work on the defender's part.

@26: Competitive, but not all that big. It's probably faring better than MK9. Although, I don't think it's at Evo this year. That's gonna hurt their scene, just like any fighter that doesn't make it to Evo.

@22: No. Boob physics in this game aren't as bad as before (fking Xtreme series for the PSP was awful), but it's still worse than Tekken. They look like jello half the time. When they're moving quickly, it's hard to notice. But when they take more subtle movements, it's weird as hell. Sweat is nice, but come on, we know why these dudes were so anxious to show that off. Being tired after losing is one thing, but how about unconscious? How about not looking like you're deliberately posing in such an obvious manner? As for getting "too" competitive, sports do that too. If anything, they go from flaming to REAL fighting and rioting. We aren't even close to that bent out of shape yet. Lastly:

1) You just reinforced that the devs wanted this fighter to be more serious.

2) You just reinforced that the fans are contradicting this.

Saying that the fans "don't want to feel betrayed" by making less jell-o boob physics, more realistic boob sizes, and less perverted clothes for the girls to wear just shows, once again, what DOA should just give up and become: porn. Those words just reinforce that logic. Maybe they should take up the IP and make "Battle Raper vs. DOA: THE GAME"?

@5, @27 - Let's just talk about how cool this looks. Don't let the DOA trolls keep taking the fun out of the game for you.

On topic, this makes me want a Vita. Yes, I'm that much of a fighting game/DOA fanboy.

@28
Either you're trying to troll or you're just being stupid. Your counter arguement makes no sense and you are still attacking the visuals, ignoring the GAMEPLAY which in my opinion, plays and feels better then Tekken. I don't know why, but I enjoy this game far more then Both Soul Caliber and Tekken, which Soul Caliber being one of my Favorite 3D fighters. And you're right, they are trying to sell the game and what sells the most? Sex. Sex sells, and 2. they do not want to alienate their original fan base. It doesn't matter whether their orginal fan base was closet Otakus or not. Unless it will end up like DmC where everybody is bashing the game because nobody looks like they used too. Youre constantly attack the visuals not saying a word on how the game actually plays. Why don't you actually give the game a try before following the FGC hate train please. You might actually enjoy it. Rent it from RedBox or something.

No jiggly boobies no buy.

30: Ok, now YOU'RE trolling me, so I'ma be a bit more bold:

1) I said it already. I'm NOT going to get a game where I have to explain to my 12 year old little bro "I'm not a perv. Trust me" EVERY SINGLE TIME the round ends, or a cutscene occurs, or I view a char model, or just about anything.

2) If sex is their original fan-base and focus, then what is this "I'm A Fighter" crap that they keep tossing around? I thought they wanted to be taken seriously as a FIGHTING GAME, not a ECCHI GAME or a DATING SIM or a BEACH VOLLEYBA-oh, you get the point. Battle Raper had the same mentality: sex first, fighting second. So DOA is what Battle Raper would've been if it was better, minus the raping? Is it possible for us to actually get DOA vs. Battle Raper after all? I mean, sex sells, right? RIGHT?

3) Everyone can pull the "just try it" argument, and I don't blame them. However, I told you my predicament. I already have Tekken Tag Two and SF X TKN, so I don't really need more fighters to focus on. I don't JUST play fighters. I got 3 games I plan on buying. I don't have unlimited time to enjoy all these games, nor do I have a real source of income to get them willy-nilly. So then, with all this said, WHY would I get a fighting game that's doing so poorly of focusing on the fighting aspect that two characters have to wear shirts reminding me that it's a fighting game?

4) With all this said, I said the game mechanics ->DON'T LOOK<- too bad, but it ->LOOKS<- like a lot of sloppy guess-work on the defender's part. No absolute statement. No final judgement. Just calling it like I see it.

5) I don't ride no hate trains. I base my opinions on what I think, which may be influenced by videos, updates, and official reviews.

Now do me a favor and don't troll me next time.

@truegamingguru i agree. If people are that offended over something so silly as this then just filter it. Its a video game for christs sakes, they should just stop being so uptight about it and just have fun playing games. Ill just copy/paste what i said in the previous article:

"Wow, are people here that sensitive that they get offended over something as silly as this? This is an optional feature, so if it bothers you all that much then dont use it. You all are acting like this is gamebreaking. People honestly need to lighten up, some of you are acting like you've never seen breasts before. Fanservice exists in almost EVERY fighter(though some less than others depending on the game.) And if you are still irritated then i suggest using the news filter, its there for a reason."

And lol at all the elitists who are bashing DOA when they dont know squash about it. How about instead of whining and moaning about bewbs, you all actually try you know..playing the game before talking trash.

This is still a solid, fun-to-play fighting game. The hyper-sexualized part of it is just icing for those that want it. Soul Calibur 5 is quite risque, too, but somehow only DOA5 get singled out for abuse.

Come on, Felicia, Cammy, Morrigan, Ivy, Mileena, Mai, etc...

Every fighter has its good share of almost naked characters. Tekken has its swimsuits too, but that didn't happen lol.

DOA5 is a great fighter, it has huge depth, it has probably the best training mode in any fighter, its quite balanced and probably it's the best looking fighter this generation, and most importantly, it's so much fun. Sorry, Tekken its so boring, at least for me.

If you only see tits, then the problem is you, and I'm sorry since it's not letting you play an amazing fighter. Shame on you.

@2 J

yea i'm sure that pic in your avatar is screaming stahp too

@5
You people are why I hate the DOA community, if the game really is a competitive and serious fighter then you shouldn't have to defend it constantly, especially when no one even says anything bad about it in the first place, you guys must be doubting that it is actually competitive if you start ranting about it out of nowhere.

@chipndip Then quit complaining about how much you dislike it. If you havent played and dont plan on getting the game then why are you even here talking trash in the first place. I get it.. its cute that you have an opinion. Now move along.

@Divine:

1) Fun. Then again, how did SF X TKN get its major rehaul patch? Hate, hate everywhere. Maybe the discontent might do the game some good. Maybe not this entry, but maybe DOA6 or DOA vs. Battle Raper: THE GAME?

2) It's a forum where one's opinion can be expressed. It's not like I'm trolling. This is my honest opinion on the matter at hand, phrased in a manner that someone can respond to it and start conversation or debate.

3) This is less about my like of the game than it is about me being baffled by dudes acting as if this game's a serious fighter. It isn't. Not until the devs finally cross the line and say "We want DOA to stop being the titty and booty game". Only answers to this I got was "It's fun, so who cares?" or something along those lines. Which is fine. Still, would it bother DOA fans if they made the game less ecchi and more...fighting? Apparently, from what the devs said, it goes both ways! So there's those that dislike DOA cause there's too much fan service, as well as "fans of DOA: I'm A Fighter edition" that'd rage and quit DOA forever if they finally did manage to clean things up and make it more presentable for the FGC.

Edit: Also, if you did truly read my other posts, you'd know that what I'm saying is a bit deeper than random hate-train ish. Still, there hasn't been a real explanation to any of it outside of "It's fun!".

#37

Then people shouldn't be too quick to attack the game either. That goes both ways. All it takes is one bad PR move involving the fanservice angle such as that boob jiggle trailer and it turns into a 150+ comment sh1t storm of anti DoA trolls.

Lets all conveniently forget the positives towards the actual fighting gameplay and poke at the sore spot that is easy to poke at. I'm not even a big fan of 3d fighting games in general, but the hypocrisy present is disgusting

Where's fabfred, shaking his head to the point of brain damage, calling whine-1-1 about Ein and Leon not being in the game?

@28 Ok this is something that almost everyone has so much of a point of view that leads to conflict opinions. Sometimes can't agree the same thing.

When comes to videogames & fans life is like a balance that goes up & down, even making a videogame is not even easy anyway because it involves people with their own ideas.

The DOA team should make their own choices. DOA doesn't have to be a porn if you ask me, DOA should be related to common Japanese media from anime, & manga. Even certain RPG, action games, Love games etc.

DOA will still be a soild good game, even if doesn't please alot of people thats all I can say. PS. The PSP game was something that even a handle is weak compare to a very powerful system example the Xbox 360, and when comes to sport fans this something that needs alot of armed guards.

@29 Sometimes I wish people just take things simple and talk about how cool the game is, however the internet exist.

@33 agree, although DOA doesn't have a filter yet they can't just block other games.

@37 Be glad that I'm not from the DOA community, question is have you read any certain comments of certain fighter game topic because there are dumb trolls that talk garbage about a game over small details. Even #40 made his point of view.

It would be easier if FGC websites, IGN, Kotaku etc. start removing comments so we don't have to deal with trolls or haters which they should've left a certain game alone and not make pointless comments.

Oh this just gets better and better. I enjoy playing DOA5, sure it's no Street Fighter or Tekken but it is still a decent fighting game.

However from this point forward I am officially keeping the disk stashed in my big ol' Box o' Porn with all the other fap material. Kappa.

lol people just hate on this game cuz they're insecure they think "Oh noez people will think im a perv if i play this game!" stop worrying about what other people think...

How absurd. People were bagging on Capcom hard but no one is worse than TK. And now just for this game but every game they release.

Capcom deserved the railing they got but it is simply absurd that TK does same and even worse and gets away with it because Capcom is the scapegoat.

I think it's funny how if someone expresses a legit opinion about something on any website that differs from what the general populace thinks then they get labeled a hater and a troll. You people don't know the definition of troll, and I'm mainly speaking to hooligan, bloodburger, and the other members of the DOA defense force that cry troll as soon as someone speaks negatively of your game. I've played DOA4 and DOA5, and yes, the gameplay is stellar, although it's buttonmashy at times, but the reason the gameplay is overshadowed by the fanservice is not because people blow it out of proportion, the developers focus on the fanservice to promote the game. That's been the game's main selling point for years, the women. Some of the older games even advertised the women on the boxes of the games. I'm a 22 year old college student. I have a mother, a younger sister, several female friends, and a gf of four years. What would I look like to them if they saw me playing this? They don't see gameplay, they see boobs everywhere. If DOA fans want people to stop complaining about DOA's fanservice, then talk to Team Ninja. Tell them to stop making sex the main selling point of the game and maybe DOA will be taken more seriously by the masses. I apologize for the wall of text.

@47 Actually I belive the right way is if people don't like the fanservice, they should've ignore it and leave the game alone.

Almost any person can be a troll, and trolling is type of bullying. Too bad america don't have a rule like the UK where internet trolling is illegal, even YouTube is also getting involve with anti internet troll.

When comes to DOA in general (not saying if I'm a DOA defense force), everyone needs their passion when it comes to games even fanservice is needed for most parts to keep the fighter genre and videogames altogether alive. Because its about entertaining multiple group of people, and there has to be new things to expand the life of videogame verity. Sometimes its better if the certain people from DOA Team makes to own decision on how would they want their series to go. If the team decides to remove the fanservice to appeal the masses or any certain content that makes the game standout, all the team would be doing is betraying the fans that looked up to the series, betraying their countries media culture, even betraying themselves.

Honestly I belive there is a better way than alter DOA content. It is really giving people the true education of reality even teach them the meaning of pain, discrimination, and agony the only way to live is over come it even go against discrimination. Plus even westerns need to merged with Japan along with other countries. Plus even people need to learn the right way of being a mature person, and can't be closed minded.

@44 exactly.

Really, sometimes I read this comments and it looks like every DOA5 combat ends in a sex orgy with everyone naked covered in all kind of juices or something like that, it's just stupid and delusional. Also, if you play online a lot, swimsuits are not used much if at all, since most of them are paid DLC.

@46 Cammy butt ivy valentine/felica juri/c viper/mai=king of fighters
jade mileena etc

all those games have some type of sex in it i wont speak about the guys with no shirt abs everywere cause no one minds that right... what's your point? ima girl btw & i play all these in front of my friends etc... are you scare to play that around ppl you know??

not trying to pick a fight just wanna know& i see gameplay i see boobs at the end of the fights unless you looking at boobs every sec you fighting lol

@46

Seems like you contradicted yourself there. Wouldn't you noticed any thoughts you have mentioned with DOA4 to begin with? And sometimes it wasn't even opinions when it comes down to it, maybe that's why they're labeled as trolls. They need to learn about constructive criticism, then they most likely won't be put on blast for doing so.

And actually, no, you don't see boobs everywhere, unless you decide to buy the costumes and whatnot, which makes that argument pretty accurate, like with SSF4's 2nd costume set. Online is a lot different, personally I rarely seen them, and in tournies I don't think you'll see bikinis and things of that nature since it costs the organizers.

Release frequent updates and new content both gameplay and cosmetic-wise.
Get ridiculed for it.
I feel so bad for DOA.

chipndip:

"Why would I toss money to the side "experimenting" with the game, knowing full well I'd have to play it with the door locked and the blinds closed?"

"I'm NOT going to get a game where I have to explain to my 12 year old little bro "I'm not a perv. Trust me" EVERY SINGLE TIME the round ends, or a cutscene occurs, or I view a char model, or just about anything."

People gotta understand what he is trying to say here. I don't know about you, but sometimes I play games with or in from of friends, co-workers, people visiting home and at times some of those people are woman. It's a royal pain in the ass trying to explain some one that doesn't play games why I picked Sakura in Street Fighter. I be trying to explain that I like her story and gameplay while all they are seeing is her red underpants on every move and later Cammy's ass on the intro of the fight when I go against her. People here need to understand that if it doesn't bother you great, but that doesn't apply to everybody. Some of us don't want to look like perverts in front of our friends and it's not helping one bit that games, anime and mangas that we love are adding too much fan service in them.

@47: You're pushing it. If DOA made a time skip 30 years into the future, which made the current cast irrelevant, THEN desexualized everything, then I'd kind of see what you're getting at. However, what's so hard about not making almost every single dlc costume revealing as hell? What's so hard about not making their boobs defy gravity (even DOA5 still does this)? What's so hard about toning down the sexualization so the slogan "I'm A Fighter" doesn't scream "I'm A Joke"? What you're saying is literally turning the old "DOA is a good fighter worthy of a tourney scene" argument and shoving it into the other direction with both hands. Is DOA about the fighting or the sexualized females? If it's about the fighting, then how is it betraying everything DOA related if they decide "lets just tone it down a bit"? I mean, I don't really mind most of their default costumes or anything like that. It's when you dig into what they ADDED to the game, the stuff that they threw in AFTER the "I'm A Fighter" stage, that's what's really throwing dudes for a loop more than anything else (although those lose poses are way too try-hard).

Also, thinking that everyone's gonna go "every game ever is great" and move along is unrealistic. In a scenario where people are making false accusations at a game, I can understand. But these are legit critiques of the game. Still, no one's really countering the argument.

@49: I said it once and I'll say it again: Most fighting games (if not most games) have some sort of fan service. The difference is how much and what your emphasis on it. Note that you can't name more than just a few examples per game series you mentioned (also...Juri? A lil side-boob at best, and she's actually a tad flat in comparison to most other female chars, anyway.) In this game, EVERY FEMALE CHAR is fan-service, and on top of that, they made an entire stage and character model viewer PURELY for fan-service. They even made a game series for FAN-SERVICE.

Also, you're a girl. It's different because girls are queens of double-standards.

@44: If anything, I kind of consider you a troll. Not much to work with outside of "lolz, I just said this" in just about any random post I see you make. > _>

Edit@Strider: Thanks for that. Really, I'm just trying to get behind what the hell's up with all this fan-service, and why it persists. The game truly looks interesting, but jeez...

Still, I'm not getting anything I can work with from those defending the game. I don't think they got much to defend/explain it with at this point. Ah well.

Side note: I kind of do like to debate game related stuff here and there. For better or worse.

@50 I played DOA4 casually everyonce in a while with my buddy on his xbox back when I had no idea how to play fighters, and yes, I did notice things then, which is why I didn't play it as much as he wanted to. And sorry about the boobs everywhere comment, I should've phrased that better. I didn't mean boobs are literally everywhere.

@49 You're right, all those characters you mentioned have some type of sex appeal, there's no denying it. I'm pretty sure every intro or win pose Cammy has is with her showing her butt to the screen. I'm not afraid to play anything in front of friends, but I still live at home with my family, and I don't want to disrespect my mom or sister playing certain games. Back when I had Soul Calibur III it was extremely awkward having my mom walking in when Ivy was on the screen and asking what kinda game was I playing. I also don't play anything that makes my gf uncomfortable, and DOA makes her uncomfortable, so I don't play it. And you're also right about guys walking around with their shirt's off, but no one seems to mind that because that's socially acceptable everywhere. I see your point on that, and I agree as well. If you're a girl and you enjoy DOA by all means keep playing it, I'm not trying to stop you. I was just stating reasons why DOA gets the negative attention that it does. I do disagree with you adding Juri to that list though. She is no where near as bad as the other female characters you listed. Then again she is my SF4 main so I might be biased.

@47 Maybe some of those people actually aren't trolls and really wanted to get into the DOA series, but get put off by how much Team Ninja advertises the sexual aspects of the game over the stellar gameplay? Maybe they're afraid to get a bad rap from friends or something because they play DOA? I dunno, I can't speak for anyone else, but those could be some reasons why they might bemoan the fanservice in this game. And to everyone saying that every fighter has some kind of fanservice in it, yes, I totally agree. But no fighter that I know of besides maybe SoulCalibur with it's Ivy advertisements has ever taken fanservice to the level that Team Ninja has with DOA. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

@Strider: Well said.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost....

Some insights on the "critically acclaimed" gameplay of DOA 5, coming from a legit DOA player, and he's not the only guy wanting to make the game better.

Understand now why this game doesn't get any kind of respect in the FGC.

@53 I'm not saying that tone it down a bit is a bad thing, its mostly fine. Because from what I've seen from DOA5 they've tone down the breast, and even decrease the breast size of certain characters. I've seen the team taking a more different approach when it came to females, it was about their personility and what makes a female very pretty.

When I think back with DOA1 that made a debut in 1996 in the Arcade version and the console ports. DOA in general is mostly an inspired fighter game that takes something that the team gets inspired like the gameplay & buttons is based of Virtua Fighter, even in DOA2 takes ideas for the falling off the stage from Mortal Kombat pit fatality but make it very different, and the jiggle breast is where they get their idea from SNK. DOA is inspired fighter game, with fanservice on the side. In the consoles of DOA the first game had lot of unlockable costumes like the Playstation version has 14 female costumes (Pal has a few extra, even certain male characters had extra than their normal number.). When it comes to outfits even sexual ones, they sometimes make a character stand out even follow parts of their past.

Ok well not every game can be a winner to certain people, heck there could be worst things out there like certain games that suffers the worst.

@Strider_Ragnarok I understand where you and some of the others are talking about when you guys say that you dont want to look like perverts for playing DOA infront of others. But honestly ask yourself, why should you care about what other people think of you in the first place? So what if they do think you are some creepy perv, you know you arent so you shouldnt let people's criticisms get to you. If you like something then stick with it, no matter how much other people dislike it or frown upon you for it. What they think of you doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things. I play DOA from time to time, it doesnt mean im a basement-dwelling pervert at all. If you really enjoy the game then keep playing, if you dont like it thats fine too.

I find it ironic how People who are apart of the SfxT defense force are constantly arguing against people who dislike the game for whatever reason and labeling them as haters and trolls yet here are some of those same people doing the same thing on DOA related articles, and here they are wondering why they are being put on the spot for it. I dont understand their logic at all. I also find it funny how almost every SfxT related article featuring replays always has thumbnails of Cammy's behind or Poison's crotch with people praising it and saying stuff like "Dat ass" yet when its a DOA article people get offended and want to complain about the sexuality. Im not knocking SfxT in any way since i like that game too, but again i dont understand these double standards people on EH have. I understand people have their own opinions but honestly some of them go from being unreasonable to downright silly ones.

@55 The troll part is something that not everyone will even truly know which one is an actual troll. When comes to getting into games including DOA, it takes a person themselves to really dive in. Similar to trying out new food.

When comes to people being afraid by a certain group of people that would talk trash because that person was playing DOA. This one of these things is that they shouldn't let haters or trolls become some door when comes to DOA and fanservice in general. The person themselves shouldn't really think too much and really try out the games themselves. Like what got me into DOA series was a magazine add, and even saw a YouTube video feature the DOA2 Intro for the Dreamcast. Even rented DOA2 Hardcore from an old video store where you rent movies or games.

Heck I even typed to a certain person about the Graver scene with DOA5+, that if this doesn't interest you but like the gameplay concept. Just ignore the extras and focus on what you really want to focus on.

Another thing is that the fanservice stuff of what made DOA, origin from SNK Fatal Fury and the Japanese media.

@56

All he did was respond to quotes, which hasn't got that much depth if there's not a lot of info he's discussing amongst others. Well there is technically, but no connection as to what he's saying.

My body is... ready.

@snipeclips read the whole thread... but that post basically sums up the problems of DOA5 and Team Ninja in general... Let me quote that again...

"You guys want frame advantage? Okay. No wait, we take it back. You guys want sidestepping? Okay... but we're going to make every single part of a string re-track your opponent thus making the sidestep completely irrelevant and just to make it that much worse since you're in recovery during the sidestep you'll get hit with counter (125%) damage too. You guys want grapplers to get guaranteed ground throws? Okay. No wait, we're patching that out. You want to be at advantage when you break your opponents' guard? Okay. LOL NOPE PATCHING THAT TOO. You want to get that big damage after out-smarting your opponent? Okay, we're adding this new "critical burst" mechanic that will let you get that big damage after two, maybe three, good hits. NOT IN THE FINAL BIO***, GOTTA GUESS FOUR-FIVE TIMES NOW JUST LIKE IN THAT DOA4 GAME YOU HATED FOR THE SAME EXACT REASON. Oh sh**, we accidentally left in an item that rewards smart play in our latest patch? DON'T WORRY GUYS, WE'LL PATCH IT OUT."

DOA community in general are pretty pissed that there's SOOOO MANY problems in the game, and Team Ninja are just ignoring them (Key word: IGNORE, they read FSD, and even invited players to give feedback just to let them down). What's more is they keep churning this kind of things...

The developers want the game to be all about tits, a game to be played by scrubs who don't want to lose by doing boneheaded stuff...

@62 When I did play DOA5 for the 3 months that I had it, every person I came across online was mashing like a madman. Even the higher ranked players where. I just don't see where the skill lies in this game, but the combos look cool. Overall I just got bored with it, sick of the fanservice, traded it in and went back to, in my opinion, better fighters.

DivinePhoenix69 Because, I like people to respect me as I respect them and nobody likes people talking behind your back while making fun of you. Also, I tried the game a couple of times but never liked the simple button scheme. That is actually the main reason I don't play it, I know the gameplay is much more complex than that, but it just wasn't my cup of tea.

"If you like something then stick with it, no matter how much other people dislike it or frown upon you for it." This is so true and I completely agree, but that doesn't change the fact that it's uncomfortable in front of other people. Just imagine that at work you can use the internet and your choice to entertain yourself till clock-out is to read manga. You have to be very careful no matter what are you reading because anime is so random and rampant with the fan-service that you don't know when a picture of a naked girl will appear on screen. At that moment you can't have co-workers looking at your computer. That's what happened to me while playing SF Alpha 3 on PSP. I was bored as hell while working and decided to play. I was using Sakura, my friend got curious started to see what I was playing and she began to ask me questions about why I choose the school girl. Just imagine that, but with a game where 2 girls are fighting on bikini's. How do you explain that to her?

@63 When it comes to skill, this is my experience. Its really about defense, countering, also combos, & delaying attacks. You'd also have to read the players movement in order to counter hold or counter attack. There is skill in DOA, it just abusers barely use it.

@62

That post just so happens to be #7156. So... no lol.

I'll be honest there isn't a lot of input I can bring in something like this, since I'm gonna think the changes he wanted were from DOA3 and a few older games I haven't played. Right now I have no necessary info to dwell further into this imo, but it was an interesting read.

@65

What's the point then if abusing is just as legit as doing skillful stuff? The game is like a glorified rock-paper-scissors which is more based by luck than skill. What happens when you outsmart you opponent? Instead of getting guaranteed damage, you get another guessing game where you can lose. Nothing is guaranteed, so why work hard for setups if you can still lose EVEN WHEN YOU HIT IT?

@snipe just read the page... It's about Team Ninja patching out a "glitch" that made the game legit (giving guaranteed damage from sit down stun), making mindgames possible and making many characters viable. The community shouted about keeping it, but hey... Team Ninja is Team Ninja

@67
If you see people mashing out counters like a mad man what do you do? You grab them, simple as that. It isn't a guessing game if you are actually paying attention and watching your opponent. Any legit DoA player would tell you that. Gaming guru is kinda right with the more skilled players being able to BLOCK correctly, because they know the moves and whats safe and not safe. This isn't marvel. you'll rarely see a masher beat out a more skillful person in this game.

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I know, but the reward is so miniscule/not guaranteed. That's the problem. Tekken for example gives you the full reward by giving you big guaranteed damage. That's not always the case here where you can have FOUR chance to escape a bad situation, and that's why the game is more of a glorified rock-paper-scissors than a real fighting game.

@67 Actually abusing isn't the legit way if someone knew what they were doing. Even outsmarting the opponent, is the way to win. I don't focus on guaranteed I only focus on my skill. There are times where you shouldn't focus too much, and this something deep within the person themselves have to learn. There are things which just explain things won't always work, but the person themselves have to learn their strenghts. Heck I learn my defense from SFII, even developing in watching carefully on the opponent. I don't worry too much losing.

@69
A high Counter grabs takes off a guaranteed 25% or more damage. How is that miniscule? And if you know combo's that launch the opponent in the air like I do, then that takes out the problem of counters. You have to know what to do and pay attention to your opponent dude.

Also to people using the "can't play infront of friends and family" excuse, there is a time and place for everything, and that extends well beyond DoA. You wouldn't play GTA in front of your mom, or read a dirty manga at your work place. It is common sense people. Play or read it around people who are comfortable with it. And if you do play it and people start questioning you for whatever reason, explain it to them. Honestly though you really shouldn't care what others think about you and your hobbies...

@71 add a bit more "advantage" (or limit an opponent's options) off after a counter grab and that will make most of us happy. Even 25% is small when outdueling someone as equally good.

@70 that's kind of the problem when the game goes on a higher level. This game needs a big disparity of guaranteed damage. I'm not saying be like Marvel (which is another bad extreme) but to properly reward you more for doing the right read/setup in a stressful situation. That will make the game feel more rewarding...

@73
When I read an opponent and counter his counter with grab I feel rewarded enough, Do you want it to be an instant kill or something? Limiting counters isn't a bad idea, don't get me wrong, but at high level play you rarely see people spamming counters. so it seems like it is main problem for low level people not being able to read their opponents correctly, meaning they should step their game up more instead about complaining about game mechanics.

#72 There you go assuming things, who said anything about dirty manga? I won't repeat my self again, you just failed to see my point lets leave it at that.

@73 If your looking for more damage, you'd have to learn the moves of your character. I know command training is useful, along with learn moves you'd have to what combos you could do, critial burst is a perfect chance to stun the opponent to extend more combos before they land on the ground even critial burst is a perfect chance for power blows but you'd have to time it. You make it sound like reading the opponents move isn't rewarding.

Worrying over guaranteed & reward is not always everything, this is something that is always about self-education.

Yeh, if you spam out counters you are going to get grabbed; assuming you are fighting someone that knows what they are doing. DOA has had the "rock-paper-scissors" mechanic for a while so I don't understand why people are surprised it is also in DOA5.

@75
"Just imagine that at work you can use the internet and your choice to entertain yourself till clock-out is to read manga. You have to be very careful no matter what are you reading because anime is so random and rampant with the fan-service that you don't know when a picture of a naked girl will appear on screen."

I wasn't specifically targeting you nor was I targeting MANGA.It doesn't have to be "Dirty" either, it could be bloody, gory, sexual, anything for a mature audience and that was one of my points. There is a time and place for everything, and just because you can't play or read something in front of everybody it shouldn't take away anything from the game, book or what ever you do to pass time.

@58: The difference is that in other games, only a few chars serve as any real amount of fan service, so players see "dat char". When they look at DOA, almost the ENTIRE GAME is fan service (really, really raunchy fan service at that). Thus they associate the entire game to that concept. Add in the horrible beach volleyball/island resort games that did nothing for its fighting game image, and you see the issue. DOA literally set itself up for this overtime. It steadily added more fuel to the fire. Now it wants to just "be a tourney level fighter" out of nowhere. I mean, you gotta see where the issue is. It's like if I made "Super Smash Bros: Board Games and Stuff" for a good 5-6 years, then threw out "Super Smash Bros: I'm A Fighter Again". You'd have already done more than enough damage to its fighting game image (and that's already in bad shape due to the 4 player aspect and items).

As for "sticking to what you like no matter what", lets be realistic here. We live in a society where relationships is everything. Not giving two spits about whatever anyone says "no matter what" is a great way to become an outcast introvert REAL quick. Being comfortable is nice. Doing what you like is nice. Still, there's limitations if you want a good balance between enjoying yourself and maintaining a good image towards others. 72 improved on this by saying "there's a time and place for everything", but my PS3 is smack-dab in the game room of my home, and it's shared between me and 2 brothers. They already give me looks when I use Anna Williams in Tekken Tag, but I sort of brush them off. They'd downright tear me apart if I had this game. No doubt about it. If I had my own PS3, it may of helped, but eh...I'd still turn it down until TN really convinced me. Nice point there though.

@79
The sad thing is, if there was less people like YOU who care so much what other people think in the FGC DoA5 could and WOULD be taken as a serious fighter this go around. Also using Smash Bro's was a horrible example. Smash Bros is mainly a party game, never to be taken to a serious level, and the creator even stated that himself, BUT people took it there anyway. The MAIN DoA series has always been a fighter. But honestly, the only people who complain about DoA5 being a serious fighter is the haters. You rarely see people who enjoy the series complain in the comments why DoA isn't in mainstream Tournies. And i'm more then positive that most of the people who enjoy the series don't really care if it is tourny viable or not, even though it is, because the game is actually FUN.

And if you are seriously that scared at what your brother think of you when you play a video game then YOU need to get yourself checked out. If they have that much of a influence to the point where you are scared to play a character or video game you like is seriously a problem. And it won't change your social status if you're playing it in front of them. What could they possibly do or say to you that will ruin your entire gaming experience forever? Sounds like you and a good portion of the FGC need to get tougher skin.

I strongly believe that lots of male characters in DOA are not attractive. They should work on them.

@46 I don't have a "game". I'm not really a part of the FGC. I just defend DOA5 because it needs the most defending.

I'm a fan of all fighting games.

Violence good. Sex bad. Grrr. Didn't realise the FGC was so Catholic.

I hope this includes touch activated boob manipulation mode

@79 The Beach Volleyball/Island Resort Games that you mention, didn't start off in its own spin off game. This Volleyball idea origin from an idea mini game for DOA2, it took shape after fans expressed a desire for a beachvolley ball mini game. The volleyball mini game never made it to DOA2, it would've been too much work and they didn't have enough time for a launch title. Itagaki wanted 4 months to complete the game to release it to home consoles, while others wanted 3 months. DOA2 already release an Arcade version.

I'm sure that DOA5 had couple of tourney, but mostly it was seen in conventions and I bet there are tournaments out there however there are less details.

Wow that last part shows you got a family that is pretty judgemental (not trying to spread salt). Even if its about relationship, it should also be about accepting others for who they are and what they're interest in, they shouldn't judge that much or just control their lives over little details. As long as it doesn't involve breaking laws or doing drugs, then it should be all fine. This is something that a person must stand for themselves, and not hold back over other people that are plain judgemental over little details. There are times where other people needs to accept the one person's interest or personility.

PS: SSB isn't really a bad thing, this is something that expand fighters also because it involves more people interest even add something that goes beyond normal fighter games, certain people would still take SSB serious even get tournament scenes.

As far as gameplay goes I'm just not a fan of rock paper scissors gameplay. And when I say opponents were mashing like madmen I wasn't talking about counters, I was talking about strings. Everyone picked the ninjas and just facerolled. I spent hours in training mode learning Hitomi and practicing her combos and stuff just to get bopped by buttonmashers. It just didn't feel like I was getting rewarded for the time I was putting into the game like I would be in other fighters. Even higher ranked players at first would play the game like it was meant to be played until I started winning, then they'd revert to facerolling madness. I want to feel rewarded in a game for the amount of time I put into it, not punished because I'm trying to play the game like it was meant to be played. Those are my thoughts on it. DOA5 may have great gameplay, but it's just not my cup of tea.

Great more generics costumes and costume swaps...DoA just stop...

stop being insecure kids. Your mom isnt gonna think any less of you because you play a game with hot girls in it.