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Dieminion: Japan is still way past the American level of play in SSF4 AE v2012 - wants to form own Topanga League

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • February 1, 2013 at 10:03 a.m. PST
Dieminion: Japan is still way past the American level of play in SSF4 AE v2012 - wants to form own Topanga League BrokenTier's Kevin "Dieminion" Landon sat down with Evil Geniuses' CoolGrayAJ for a thought provoking interview. Dieminion covers his performance at the SoCal Regionals 2013 tournament, mentioning how momentum affects matches, in that you can have a solid track record against a player, but still lose in a set.

He also discusses what it was like playing against EG|PR Balrog's Fei Long, where he lost 2-1 and was eliminated for the tournament, and how he thinks he'll have a better feel for him next time they play.

At the latter part of the piece, Dieminion says that he feels the Japanese player base are still far ahead of Americans in Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012.

CoolGrayAJ: Regarding international competition, Infiltration’s been winning everything, but do you think people should be more concerned about a single player, or an entire country?

Di3mini0n: Japan is still way past the American level of play. Being in Japan recently really woke me up to how behind we really are. On a daily basis, you’ll see Daigo playing against Kazunoko, Mago, Nemo, Nekojita, and countless other players that you will have never even heard of. If you think for a second that our challenge right now is Infiltration, Daigo or any other big name foreign player, you’re wrong. The real challenge is if and when the rest of these Japanese players come over to play.

Japan is no stranger to taking over EVO Top 8, and people need to be aware of this. Just because Daigo was the only Japanese player in EVO Top 8 last year, you need to pay attention to what happened to the rest of the Japanese players. Kindevu, Haitani, Fuudo and Dogura all placed 9th, so if you really think about it, we were four matches away from having 5 Japanese players place Top 8 at last year’s EVO.

I don’t want to sound like a defeatist, but really ask yourself, do you play 6-8 hours a day against the best players of your country?

Dieminion adds that he's looking at starting something akin to the Topanga League for the east coast, and then he can hopefully branch in out into the entire country, but this idea is still in the concept stage.

This is a really strong interview, with a lot of interesting information from one of the FGC's top players. It's definitely worth your time to read through it.

Comments

markp said on February 1, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.

dat picture LMAO

#1
Oroku_Saki said on February 1, 2013 at 10:08 a.m.

Hurricane Landon as the news teaser image. Awesome.

#2
DevilMaySpy said on February 1, 2013 at 10:21 a.m.

I like Champ's Dormammu team better because there's less of a random factor and it keeps the nuts out. Same with Chris G's. You have to actually play solidly the entire game to beat them.

#3
BestAlgorithm said on February 1, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.

I know he likes to be lame and run away so I hope we see him with some Hawkeye. Isn't he supposed to be a top 15 character?

#4
BestAlgorithm said on February 1, 2013 at 10:26 a.m.

Oh damn, he plays X-23? Then hopefully he'll try Hawkeye/X-23/Doom

#5
DevilMaySpy said on February 1, 2013 at 10:42 a.m.

Why'd you remove the Marvel discussion?

#6
Catalyst said on February 1, 2013 at 10:45 a.m.

@DevilMaySpy

I thought the part about Japan and him looking to form his own Topanga League was a bit more interesting, but regardless, this whole interview is really bloody good.

#7
DevilMaySpy said on February 1, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.

True, but it would be nice to let the skimmers know.

#8
Jaxon76 said on February 1, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.

Kevin Landon brings some much needed intelligence to the table in these type of interviews. Cuts straight through the ignorance and illusion in the FGC.

#9
JDizzle said on February 1, 2013 at 11:10 a.m.

PICK A TOP TIER everybody on the east coast is sticking with their main characters which is kool but why not pick up another character like adon cammy fei long akuma seth or viper this way when the japs come over we can defend our nation look at all those top players outside of daigo they all play top tier characters infiltration,mago,fuudo,tokido & they all do good with those characters why not pick a top tier & whip up on their ass everybody has a weakness & the japs weakness is cammy

#10
Kurow said on February 1, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.

I'm glad that Dieminion is realistic about the situation. UltraDavid and James Chen always said "best in the world" just based in what is happening only at USA tournaments and they are wrong... there is a lot of good players in Japan and other countries just look at Brazil for example :).

#11
Tensa said on February 1, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.

in sf japan is for sure the overall strongest an its hard to change since they are play top players everyday

#12
blastar said on February 1, 2013 at 11:39 a.m.

I play 2h a day against online warriors :(
Dieminion has a good analyze of the situation and great intelligence when he speaks about different matters during interviews.

#13
AnaboliChris said on February 1, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.

#10, I agree...more people needs to listen to Sanford
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vud0uL...

I'm glad PR Rog has picked up Fei Long.

#14
KTProsper said on February 1, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.

#10 Not true..

Japan has loads of great players down there that we don't see who are mid tier specialist and could come here and take a major honestly speaking..

#15
BestAlgorithm said on February 1, 2013 at 11:56 a.m.

@JDizzle

Or, people can just get better. Who knows, someone might even make a low tier character broken

Why do people listen to Sanford again?

#16
SonicfanQ said on February 1, 2013 at 11:56 a.m.

This game needs more tunning up before I can fully respect it. Unblockables and all the other stupid crap in this game needs to be looked at. Still Im playing and training everyday with my new team adon and gouken and trying to get stronger.

#17
mcknight8279109 said on February 1, 2013 at 11:57 a.m.

Im glad to see that there aren't any people hating on him for telling the truth about the situation in the US. Our internet infrastructure is terrible compared to JP and all we do over here is pick the same people over and over lol. Then when Kusoru came thru with the log traps and no one knew how to deal with it. They gave us a warning that that tech was unseen in the US and look what happened lol. Its the same thing with SF America has to let go of that false sense of pride before the Japanese come and completely destroy us in marvel I think Daigo is gonna come up with a team that no one ever thought of and wreck everyone. Like Storm Hsien Ko and Spiderman Tech no one has ever seen lol

#18
RunningWild said on February 1, 2013 at 12:06 p.m.

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#19
crashblades said on February 1, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.

can someone please explain to me why Sanford "pick a top tier" Kelly is playing a high/mid tier Sagat?

#20
DevilMaySpy said on February 1, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.

@20: Sanford switches to Cammy for bad matchups.

#21
kalma said on February 1, 2013 at 12:54 p.m.

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#22
DevilMaySpy said on February 1, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.

Sanford's been using Cammy for the last few months and it's not bad at all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa8J4O...

#23
merleauponty said on February 1, 2013 at 1:13 p.m.

Is it just me or the link to the interview is broken?

#24
matthew6666666 said on February 1, 2013 at 2:24 p.m.

@19 word!

#25
SgtKonus said on February 1, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.

@11

Actually the Japanese agree that Dieminion has the best Guile on the planet, same with Latif being the best Viper.The rest is B.S.

A US Topanga league would be awesome. I would definitely pay something to play those guys in person or I could just fight them online when they blow up XBL.

#26
SabishiiRyuu said on February 1, 2013 at 3:01 p.m.

#19 U Free SA needs to be told that so they won't get too cocky Kappa.

#27
ShinzoBishamon said on February 1, 2013 at 3:17 p.m.

@10
A. If you think switching to better characters is really going to make a difference your sadly mistaken. The Japanese are like the east coast in that they play who they like, not who they think will win, but at the same time they have faith their character will win.
B. A U.S. Topanga league would be amazing.
C. Im pretty sure "Japs" is a racial slur, have a nice day :P

#28
BestAlgorithm said on February 1, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.

What Shinzo said. It's not the character... it's just the players. They've gotta level up their game

#29
Dpendleton said on February 1, 2013 at 3:32 p.m.

@Kalma please tell me how Sanford is a fraud? He was playing Cammy in vanilla. You should go out and beat him instead of talking crap from the net.

#30
JDizzle said on February 1, 2013 at 4:15 p.m.

just pick top tier characters & your gunna win alot easier with those characters cammy is the best play her

#31
BumblebeeCody said on February 1, 2013 at 4:34 p.m.

@AnaboliChris #14
I don't get how you or anyone else can say "Pick a top tier" when Infiltration wins with Hakan!

2 Online matches
Vs Akuma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_DTgv...
Vs Yun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D2Mfy...

1 tournament match
Vs F.Champs Dhalsim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGJEtP...

#32
SgtKonus said on February 1, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.

To be fair, the USA developed effective means aganist the log trap tech right after FR. I just hope Kurosuru comes back to the USA one day.

The US is the best at Mahvel, the Japanese had great tech at EVO but they simply were outplayed. I think The South Americans are more of a threat than Japan in terms of UMVC3, they have strong players, unique teams and they play very well.

#33
jdsfweg said on February 1, 2013 at 6:21 p.m.

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#34
Jinzo18 said on February 1, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.

@22
You can say PR Rogs Fei Long sucks, he mainly gets away with top players in the US dont know how to fight Fei because there's never been a good high level Fei, he got 3rd place with Fei at Socal regionals doing full screen chicken wings that should have been reversaled and pressuring with constant focus attacks which should have been punished for free, for example against Dieminion he constantly pressured him with focus attacks which Die should have flash kicked all of them, though dieminion says he was too tired as his excuse to play.

#35
yitsuni said on February 1, 2013 at 8:08 p.m.

hey jinzo18,

can you please answer me.
where do you get this cammy oppai mousepad?

http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/...

i would like to know where you got it because im looking for it for a friend thanks if possible!

#36
yitsuni said on February 1, 2013 at 10:14 p.m.
#37
AnaboliChris said on February 2, 2013 at 1:30 a.m.

#32, guess you never heard of the word "match-up" and "experience"

We might even get silly and add those two together and get "matchup experience"

#38
umad said on February 2, 2013 at 2:48 a.m.

effing finally. now you stupid people cant say that people were dickriding when people say japan>US.

#39
BumblebeeCody said on February 2, 2013 at 4:09 a.m.

@ AnaboliChris #32
Match-up experience is BS. You're telling me that match-ups are important. So explain how exactly the match-up for Hakan vs Akuma/Yun is even remotely in Hakans favour or, how is match-up on his side?
Experience is BS too, because how many of us fight Ryus? How many people have seen Ryus completely studied to the core of what that character can do? Yet(!), Daigo's Ryu is near unbeatable/extremely solid.

So no, saying "pick a top tier" still remains BS. It means nothing!

#40
Smorgasboard said on February 2, 2013 at 8:45 a.m.

@18
Blaming the internet is ridiculous when you consider how well Infiltration is doing by playing online most of the time.
@35
US does have good fei longs but not many players as good as PR Balrog.

Dieminion is right. Only a handful of US players can compete with the top 100 Japanese players in SF4. And that's not going to change when all the focus is on herp derp random mahvel.

#41
yowhenssfxt said on February 2, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.

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#42
Deth_Garcia said on February 2, 2013 at 1:53 p.m.

@42 you're right.
there are Japanese salarymen who can beat easily US top players

#43
rosy said on February 2, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.

Japan strong cause they love what they do. Simple

#44
AnaboliChris said on February 3, 2013 at 3:52 a.m.

#40 Matchup experience is BS? Go watch SCR where Infiltration purposely picked Hakan against Yun who was a bad matchup for Hakan. Go youtube the interview where Infiltration said he only did that because he knew the other guy had no matchup experience.

Wasting my time.

#45
AnaboliChris said on February 3, 2013 at 3:54 a.m.

Oh and your first two silly videos of Infiltration using Hakan are from online matches! Lmfao ...whats to say hes just training his Hakan?

#46
triplethreat99 said on February 3, 2013 at 6:30 a.m.

@41

But Korea has AMAZING online. It's almost comparable to playing local. So Infiltration is able to play "real" matches against top players and get in good training.

America's internet is total ass. WHich means that most top players can't play "real" matches against each other.

#47
gentlestrength said on February 3, 2013 at 7:36 p.m.

Agree with Dieminion here. I believe that the absolute top players of the US or any other country has what it takes to compete at an extremely high level (win majors, etc). Still, the fact remains though, that the general skill level in Japan is way better. Playing in arcades is a huge cultural phenomenon there and having a generally high level of skill in SF games only naturally follows.

I like how Dieminion actually pointed out Evo 2012. Sure, the best players of the world deserved their spots but right below them were a slew of Japanese players (who are also at the very top of the world). Going online, I feel won't cut it unless every pro at home has a Korean-level net connection. Playing in arcades, day in and day out aside from execution practice at home is why Japan will have a generally better scene (even if they don't happen to take Evo every year).

I can't help but feel though that Japan should conform to tournament tiers outside. It would greatly help their cause if they didn't ban characters that the rest of the world didn't (eg Seth banned during 2011).

#48


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