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Collusion during Frosty Faustings' Blazblue grand finals results in 3rd place winner receiving 1st and 2nd place's $500 pot bonus

Posted by Steven 'Dreamking23' Chavez • December 30, 2013 at 4:15 p.m. PST

Frosty Faustings VI, Chicago's 2nd largest tournament, took place this past weekend and with it, a bit of controversy arose during the Blazblue: Chrono Phantasma grand finals. The two players, who happen to be brothers, made it into the grand finals set playing Carl and Platinum throughout the entire event.

Upon reaching grand finals, the brothers intended to split the prize money, and because of that, they both opted to play as Izayoi instead of their main characters. When asked by the tournament organizer if this selection was merely a button check, they replied saying that it was indeed an actual match, and admitted to colluding.

Shinsyn, the tournament organizer, decided to put his foot down, and had the two brothers play out the grand finals set using their actual characters. As a result of the collusion, the TO penalized the two finalists by taking away the pot bonuses, (originally intended for 1st and 2nd place), and awarded them to the 3rd place winner, whom he felt fought the hardest out of everyone who competed in the tournament. The 3rd place winner was given an extra $500 in pot bonuses.

You can check out the stream archive where all of this goes down, but be forewarned, there is a ton of language NSFW used here.

The collusion initially occurs at roughly 7:06:05 in the stream archive.

At around 7:24:35, you'll see Shinsyn (the tournament organizer) awarding ChosenNinja (the 3rd place winner) with the pot bonuses originally intended for 1st and 2nd place.

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Comments

Skye said on December 30, 2013 at 4:17 p.m.

A good way to deal with the collusion, a fair decision.

#1
I_Are_RaBBiT said on December 30, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.

Shame.

#2
Tensa said on December 30, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.

yooo Anime collusion

#3
goron_ninja said on December 30, 2013 at 4:20 p.m.

All hail Shinsyn. A TO with the balls to stomp this bs down. Great move!

#4
Clamper said on December 30, 2013 at 4:20 p.m.

That was awesome, shout outs to Shinsyn.

#5
Chrisuchiwa said on December 30, 2013 at 4:21 p.m.

That was too funny tho. I was mad at the beginning because I was cheering for that godlike Carl player but after the whole story, the TO was right since there was an advice.

Maybe this could the answer. There are brothers if they wanted to play garbage, they have like other 364 days.

#6
iMTopTier said on December 30, 2013 at 4:22 p.m.

and people were bashing marvel players
when they did it lol even though nobody should do that
if you want to throw away your matches you should get DQ'ed no exception

#7
Fireman110 said on December 30, 2013 at 4:22 p.m.

Agree, every tournament need to handle collusions like this.

#8
Oroku_Saki said on December 30, 2013 at 4:22 p.m.

They ought to have fought properly, then they could have split their winnings at home, i.e outside the tournament, seeing as they both had 1st and 2nd already. Sigh!
Oh well, good to hear they were punished.
Zeus almighty! That "nobodyexe" in the archive link, made me pause for a while, before I realized it was the user/channel name.

#9
yes4me said on December 30, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.

Fair.
Just play normally next time for the spectators, and split the money at home. No need to waste everyone time, including the sponsors.
A bit confused: Did the brothers get any money in the end?

#10
Banzai said on December 30, 2013 at 4:25 p.m.

My thoughts exactly.. why make it obvious? Just play and split afterwards.

#11
ShadowGeno said on December 30, 2013 at 4:25 p.m.

dat 3rd place ... SURPRISE CASH STAXX!!

#12
Chrisuchiwa said on December 30, 2013 at 4:26 p.m.

Yooooo, $580 for the third place!!!!!!! That is amazing, I should have called collusion when I was third in my local tournament, lol.

#13
Meegol said on December 30, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.
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BLaze Blu is HELLA WEEB!

#14
Blackoshinomi said on December 30, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.

Yo i was thinking the same thing those guy wore stupid !

#15
Hazzird said on December 30, 2013 at 4:30 p.m.

seriously why are people so dumb, if your gona collude, do it after the tournament not on stream lol

#16
EnsignHiro said on December 30, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.

Dat blazeblue colluding

#17
Dimensional said on December 30, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.

wow er that was foolish of them fair play to the TO though.

#18
Kalyx_triaD said on December 30, 2013 at 4:37 p.m.

That's the part that gets me...

You and your bud/bro already won, you can do whatever with the money afterward (a winner's right to be honest), so why be so damn obvious at the end of a tourny with all eyes on you locally and on the internet? Why be that stupid after all the controversy the last two years? You'd think they'd at least try to be smarter about it.

The way I see it, the real reason for their punishment is their hubris and short-sightedness - which is more audacious to me than the pot-splitting and joke picks.

#19
samuraix025 said on December 30, 2013 at 4:37 p.m.

Idiots, the lot of them. You're brothers you're in the finals, you're going to split the pot anyway, Why throw it away by openly colluding and admitting it. They got what was deserved

#20
darkdragon88 said on December 30, 2013 at 4:38 p.m.

Awesome.

#21
Hypermarth said on December 30, 2013 at 4:43 p.m.

They got the money from the entry fees but none of the pot bonus.

#22
xShonuffx said on December 30, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.

That was so STUPID! Why would you show your colluding live on stream? Did they not know the consequences? For as serous as colluding is you would think they would have put more thought into it.

#23
sarif2soon said on December 30, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.

Third place is where it's at.

#24
Existent said on December 30, 2013 at 4:47 p.m.

That was a stupid thing to do on multiple levels.

#25
Nader886 said on December 30, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.

I'm glad they didn't get s***

#26
SnakeX said on December 30, 2013 at 4:54 p.m.

Good on Shinsyn, this is the kind of attitude we need from tournament organizers. If those two dudes wanted to make a mockery of grand finals, then they don't deserve the bonus money.

#27
TagAnarchy said on December 30, 2013 at 4:56 p.m.

This is how colluding should be handled. However the two brothers are horribly stupid. The were going to split pot any way and they were in 1st and second place no matter what so the money wouldn't have changed. This was simply a case of grand stupidity and great TO decisions.

#28
Digi said on December 30, 2013 at 5:03 p.m.

Lol, "Going to play Izayoi and taunt each other to death, but my taunt button wasn't mapped" Seriously?

Good stuff ShinSyn. Especially since the pot bonus came out of his own pocket

#29
iMTopTier said on December 30, 2013 at 5:05 p.m.

i want this to happen to Chris G and FChamp

im glad he put them in their place
you wanna split the money? wait till you get home and play the game like if you were playing to win

#30
heyhey said on December 30, 2013 at 5:12 p.m.


I truly believe you do not want community opinions, the opinions of sponsors or the opinions of TOs to ever trump those of the best competitors in a competitive game. It is corrosive.

These two earned the right to perform however they wished in the GF (earned) and punishing them and rewarding an inferior player for making a decision that others that were not in their position due to their own lack of abilities is the antithesis of competition. The fact that the two played the game out "properly" as asked when demanded and STILL had a large sum of money taken away by the TO in my mind is much attempting to reward stream viewers over the best players. Again corrosive.

#31
Gotomaster said on December 30, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.

If you must know, only Chris was sand-bagging, Champ didn't.

#32
MagnesiumMg12 said on December 30, 2013 at 5:20 p.m.

So if they hadn't said they were colluding, could they prove it?

#33
Smorgasboard said on December 30, 2013 at 5:23 p.m.

Why ask them to play their mains and then take away their money? Why not just DQ them and take away their money? That'll send a stronger message won't it?

Maybe they never heard of eventhubs or shoryuken which is why they didn't knew collusion was a thing. Or they are used to playing in tournaments without streams where they were never called out for colluding.

#34
gaming99 said on December 30, 2013 at 5:25 p.m.

Too bad I don't have any piss poor excuse to defend the players who colluded on stream and then write a thesis in eventhubs to convince random people in here that what they did was right.

Two thumbs up for the Tournament Organizer for doing what they did.

#35
Green016 said on December 30, 2013 at 5:29 p.m.

I applaud the TO for having the balls and the morality to do the right thing. I would have stripped those two idiots of ALL their winnings. They don't deserve to win any money if they're gonna pull that crap imo.

#36
SummerUndercover said on December 30, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.

They should have been able to play whoever they wanted. They worked their way to grand finals. This is why I find the "FGC" to be so ridiculous. It has degraded into nothing more than a spectacle meant to appease stream monsters. I guess this is what happens when people try to make money off of video games. The situation becomes fuzzy when sponsors and what not become involved, but damn, I wonder how many people would actually continue to play fighting games competitively if money wasn't involved. Hopefully it doesn't get to the point where they take away the actual prize money for not picking their main characters.

#37
mmbbx said on December 30, 2013 at 5:35 p.m.

If the FGC ever wants to be taken seriously, we need to get rid of unsportsmanlike conduct like this. Good on the TO.

#38
dugthefreshest said on December 30, 2013 at 5:37 p.m.

So wait a minute, Me and my brother or friend are good enough to make it to the grand finals, and we cant do what we want with the prize money? so its ok for us to play out the match, get our prize, and then split it later, but its not ok to make the decision while sitting in the seat?

dont people pay money to join tournaments, get hotels and what not. it's really kind of lame that 2 expert players who made it to grand finals on their talent alone can't decide what they want to do when they get their. all because what? The stream? Do the stream monsters pay to be there? nope, did they pay the venue or the hotel? Nope. so why are they more important than the players themselves?

Please, I really am trying to understand why this is such a bad thing. If they intentionally sand-bagged earlier on, or manipulated the brackets, thats one issue, but making it to grand finals legit, and splitting the pot, how is that a bad thing when they rightfully earned the spot to do so? Especially if they were going to split it anyway.

Things are WAY to focused on the viewers and not the players.

#39
AnaboliChris said on December 30, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.

Colluding is a slap to the face of the TO. Its as simple as that. It's his tournament, he can do whatever he wants with the money. Play games and the TO's will play right back.

#40
GH0ST said on December 30, 2013 at 5:43 p.m.

Yes!!!

#41
MagnesiumMg12 said on December 30, 2013 at 5:43 p.m.

Don't people pay to come see these things? I get the "They should be able to play how they like" thing but I think you can tell the difference between trying and "whatever I'm gonna get some of the money anyway"

It's also little disturbing that just because I did A all day, the moment I do B, people get mad.

The only way to even put a lid on this collusion jar is to make people write down what teams/characters they are gonna use when they sign up and even then you'd have the guy who writes down the whole cast. So you'd have to restrict the number of teams/characters a participant could use.

#42
Books said on December 30, 2013 at 5:46 p.m.

The entire community comes together to enjoy competition. Maintaining the spirit of competition is the chief requirement in any sporting event with prize money, viewers and sponsorships. It isn't too much to ask for people to simply play their hardest. "Trolling" in grand finals is selfish and immature. If you want your community to grow, play with passion and integrity.

#43
OhYouDontSayThat said on December 30, 2013 at 5:51 p.m.

should have still fought it out and split it anyways. they're family so I can understand sharing it.

#44
heyhey said on December 30, 2013 at 5:52 p.m.

just for the record neither of the guys insulted any other player at the tournament on any of the footage i saw. Watch the stream, every handshake offered was given and all the cursing and yelling at people who lost was done on the marvel side (which was infact so loud it could be heard on the nobody stream and is never mentioned as unsportsmanlike) and by the TO when he thought the two best players at his tournament werent living up to his expectations. I believe you and many people in this thread are confusing yourselves as players when you are in fact spectators.

#45
PurplePonyJotaro said on December 30, 2013 at 5:55 p.m.

Unfortunate. Hopefully all will resolve well.

#46
lulipe said on December 30, 2013 at 5:58 p.m.

I think the competition should be more important than the prize. So, let's preserve the sport aspects and try to win the tournament. After the match, they could do whatever they want with the prize, but they can't refuse to act like sportsmen.

#47
xShonuffx said on December 30, 2013 at 5:58 p.m.

Yeah but at the end the 3rd place guy got both their pot bonus effectively making him win more money than 1st and 2nd place. I think that stings more than outright DQ. I think this was great and I'm glad my home town of Chicago don't play that mess. Represent.

#48
VolcanicAkuma55 said on December 30, 2013 at 6 p.m.

r u f'ng kidding me? people still havent learned...
and btw if ur gunna collude (which if ur smart u wont) DONT MAKE IT COMPLETELY OBVIOUS smh

#49
KingKong said on December 30, 2013 at 6:01 p.m.

This is dishonorable to say the least. Such behavior has absolutely no place here in my America. People all over the world are watching mind you, and I can already hear them say "well, once again, happened in a american tournament, and involved american players"

#50
heyhey said on December 30, 2013 at 6:01 p.m.

Again this was simply a community that felt they were entitled to something coming into direct conflict with players who earned the right to act in their own best interest

i do have a simple hypothetical for you tho. These two knew other people were watching and probably analyzing what they were doing. They presumably are going to compete in upcoming tournaments. Is it in their best interest to give future foes more video tape on them to research? Is that not the competitive spirit?

Another hypothetical, what if noel wasnt really his main? What if we find out later he had a pocket ragna the whole time.

Letting people act in their own best interest is the best way to insure the over all quality of any competition, ie people playing harder and better.

#51
SgtKonus said on December 30, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.

You can do whatever you want with the money, but if you're going to pot split, do it away from everyone and after playing it out honestly. You already got to grand finals with nothing but hard work and that is respectable, why throw it all away? People work hard to put these events together,could you at least respect them enough to play the match out like they intended you to do? Good stuff Shinsyn, show people this will not be tolerated.

TL;DR, no one cares about the money, just play the video game honestly.

#52
Existent said on December 30, 2013 at 6:04 p.m.

Are you high? If they wanted to split the money they could have done it after the tournament and it would have been nobody's business. That's not the same thing as playing a bullsh*t, joke of a match. They got exactly what they deserved.

#53
lulipe said on December 30, 2013 at 6:05 p.m.

You could be right. But they deserve the punishment anyway. Better luck to them in an hypothetical future tournament.

#54
DarknessFallz said on December 30, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.

Weren't there only 3 ppl playing this game though? :-3
Jk...maybe

#55
Wintry said on December 30, 2013 at 6:09 p.m.

The only logical choice. If you're colluding, at least give us a good show for it.

#56
kinoslayer said on December 30, 2013 at 6:09 p.m.

This should of happened, good s*** by Shynsyn.

#57
kuiper_felt said on December 30, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.

How is this collusion? This is is sensationalist writing..
They are not cheating. They have earned their right to decide what to do with the remaining prize.

I don't think the tournament organizer should have the right to do that. It's up to the players whether they chop the pot. It happens all the time in poker where reducing tournament variance because of steep payouts is clearly sensible. They must then live with whatever reputation people put on them as a result..

#58
Dragoomba said on December 30, 2013 at 6:14 p.m.

I see where you are coming from, but along with your claim of "they should have been able to play whoever they wanted", Shinsyn had the right to do whatever he wanted with the $500 of his own money that he generously donated for the tournament's pot bonus. They didn't have to appease the stream monsters, per say, but they DID have to appease Shinsyn, because that was his own hard-earned money he set aside for them.

On that topic, shoutouts to Shinsyn, as he could have easily used the collusion as an excuse to take the pot bonus away and pocket it himself (since it was his to begin with), but instead gave it all to third place. Respect.

#59
Crazcar said on December 30, 2013 at 6:20 p.m.

Good on Shinsyn for calling out that BS and putting them in their place. Can't understand that mentality. If it were me, I'd fight serious, and if I won I'd buy us both lunch with the money. No sense in clowning around and disrespecting the OT who put up their own money for the pot bonuses.

#60
Sage_Liebert said on December 30, 2013 at 6:22 p.m.

Why not just play serious and collect your money afterwards. It didn't matter which of rhe brothers won since they had 1st and 2nd place taken already. Stupid.

#61
SgtKonus said on December 30, 2013 at 6:22 p.m.

Exactly, people might forget that Shinsyn has the right to do whatever he feels is right the money. It's a two way street.

#62
Wa1rior said on December 30, 2013 at 6:23 p.m.

collusionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn lol

#63
JELIFISH19 said on December 30, 2013 at 6:26 p.m.

They didn't play a Izayoi mirror match in GFs. They played with their mains. What's the offense that made them lose their winnings?

#64
Darklurkr23 said on December 30, 2013 at 6:27 p.m.

Heheheh O Kawaii desu.

Desu desu desu XD

#65
heyhey said on December 30, 2013 at 6:28 p.m.

they did not have to appease shinsyn
the players had to play the game to the best of their ability to benefit themselves, however they perceive that to be.

This again is an attempt by a TO to control outcomes to benefit viewers not competitors.

another hypothetical... Im in two games and due to scheduling and or my own poor decision making the night before or just simple nerves. Im VERY tired my top eight for game A is at 11am game B is at 7pm i decide to throw my game at 11 to get a nap in so that i can play game B. Shouldnt the TO ban me from game B? I mean why not i didnt perform my best in game A, it modified the bracket

see how this is becoming corrosive? (its my new favorite word)

If TOs want to control outcomes run zangief vs sagat on level 9 cpus. Human competitors increase our enjoyment of these games DUE to the fact they make interesting decisions. Let the best players do what THEY think is best for THEM that will create the most competitive enviroment

#66
Posthuman15 said on December 30, 2013 at 6:29 p.m.
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So if you dont pick your main you are automatically colluding?

So can you not counter pick in grand finals anymore? This is getting ridiculous!

#67
Dragoomba said on December 30, 2013 at 6:31 p.m.

Apparently the Blazblue tournament at Frosty Faustings had the second most entrants behind Marvel, and was even considered a major for Blazblue, which makes this whole collusion decision more meaningful. I do understand it was a joke though, lol.

#68
lapchiduong said on December 30, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.

Respect ***

#69
Haiido said on December 30, 2013 at 6:38 p.m.

Is it really counter picking if they're picking the exact same character?

#70
CCG_Greg said on December 30, 2013 at 6:44 p.m.

Earned the right? They did not earn anything. By openly colluding they automatically forfeit any "right" to participate in the tournament period. This isn't rocket science.

By openly admitting to collusion, therefore disrespecting EVERYBODY, especially the organizers, they're lucky to walk away with anything.

Their own best interest is to abide by the rules. What if future TO's ban the bold-faced cheaters from entering future events? I know I would.

Hell, I would have DQ'd them both on the spot and given the entire pot to 3rd place.

#71
ArturoA9790 said on December 30, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.

ShinSyn is my hero. Like other commentors have said, we need more TO's like this in more majors. And for all the people who defend colluding, please understand NO ONE CARES WHAT THEY DO WITH THE MONEY, as long as you play the match out your hardest there is no problem.

#72
Jake_da_Thrilla said on December 30, 2013 at 6:47 p.m.

Exactly. If they were smart, they could have played their regular characters and the winner gets 60% and the loser gets 40%. Glad to see that the organizer had the stones to put his foot down.

#73
gaming99 said on December 30, 2013 at 6:49 p.m.

I hope my analogy can be understood easily to some manchild in here.

Why collusion is bad:

Imagine you are going out to the movie theater to watch some movie with your friends, and just about five minutes into the movie, your friends spoiled the ending to you. What do you feel after that?
You lose all the hype, and probably only gives like 20% fu-ck for the rest of the movie.

So you being pissed off, what are you gonna do after that? either you:

a. going to the same movie theater again , but this time you are going with another friends that don't spoiled the ending for you,

b. Decided not to go again to the movie theater

c. going to the different movie theater

Replace these words:
-you and your friends for competitors, and stream monsters.
-the owner of movie theater for tournament organizer.
-movie theater for the tournament.
-spoiling the ending of the story for colluding.

What do you think happen in the long run if things like that constantly happening in that movie theater?
Now people trying to hide under the excuse of "stream monsters" didn't do anything, didn't contribute anything, so why the players should try their hardest to win since they are in the grandfinals and why they have to give a sh1t.

What they don't realize here is that , streaming is equal promoting the tournament. Some stream monsters donated , others don't. I know one of my irl friends who watched the major tournament on stream, and decided to participate on it next year. So streaming and stream monsters do have its importance in hyping FGC scene.
Imagine if there's no EVO stream at all. Streaming is a great way to introduce our community to other people out there, so HOPEFULLY they are interested in our scene, and participating for the next time.

This is really simple: colluding? fine, we don't care. But atleast try your hardest to win, and split the money after that. This is not a rocket science.

#74
SoftShocks said on December 30, 2013 at 6:55 p.m.

Anime collusion

#75
Xul said on December 30, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#76
Books said on December 30, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.

The TO determines the standards of participation which is universally agreed upon as having competitive integrity. Compromising the tourney you're in in order to benefit at another hypothetical tourney can be considered unacceptable by any individual TO. No one cares what the outcome is as long as the path to get there is paved with honest competition. In this particular situation, enough information was known to confirm that the two players had decided not to play their hardest because of their relationship, thus forfeiting their pot bonus. Unless you organize the tourney, bring the equipment, sponsor the stream and run the venue, you don't get to decide to screw around in grand finals, sorry. It's just selfishness in a COMMUNITY event.

In any respectable competition, this behavior is worthy of a suspension from events and upon repeat, a lifetime ban.

#77
Sage_Liebert said on December 30, 2013 at 7 p.m.

These tournaments are meant for high level entertainment within the fighting game community. What players do with their winnings afterwards doesn't matter. However, while the tournament is active players shouldn't be allowed to discuss moneys. This will prevent any thoughts of corruption or collusions. TO's should have contracts and databases with entrees.

#78
Dragoomba said on December 30, 2013 at 7 p.m.

"they did not have to appease shinsyn"

But they did. If they wanted the pot bonus, at least.

I'm not arguing on topic of if the "collusion" was a big deal or not. I'm only stating a simple, fundamental concept in that Shinsyn can do whatever he wants with his own money. He didn't DQ them or not pay them out (I'd actually be quite upset if that were the case, considering they earned their placings), he just simply gave the pot bonus (his own money) away to somebody else.

If you don't perform a job up to an employer's standards, they fire you. If you don't take grand finals seriously and put an effort to win, Shinsyn doesn't give you extra money.

#79
OhYouDontSayThat said on December 30, 2013 at 7 p.m.

wooow that dood tried to act all hard, but it didn't really translate cause he got mad over a cartoon fighting game. what a joke...

#80
electpaisa said on December 30, 2013 at 7:06 p.m.

I dunno what is more disrespectful: that they colluded or that they even try to hide it.

I don't get it: If you are going to split the pot, why not just give a good fight just for the show?w

#81
heyhey said on December 30, 2013 at 7:08 p.m.

the reason your analogy is incorrect is you are comparing two people watching a movie (ie not in any way responsible for creating it) with 2 different classes of people one a stream viewer(consumer) and two a tournament participant(producer). That is in fact my entire point, there is no commonality between the two and should not be given then same respect or interest.

#82
iMTopTier said on December 30, 2013 at 7:14 p.m.

do whatever you want with the money but don't be throwing away the GF matches because that puts their rep through the floor and sponsors see that
they don't like that kind of behavior it is bad for their business

#83
Captainbuttocks said on December 30, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.

just play to win and split the pot at home. LOL

#84
kappademon said on December 30, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.

TIL 99% of the FGC needs to google the term "collusion".

#85
heyhey said on December 30, 2013 at 7:17 p.m.

well there were at least two people who did not universally agree apon it and if you notice the other commentators dont seem to think its that bad. I also wonder about the long term or short term competitiveness value and if you could can you answer my hypothetical ive restated here thank you.-

"These two knew other people were watching and probably analyzing what they were doing. They presumably are going to compete in upcoming tournaments. Is it in their best interest to give future foes more video tape on them to research? Is that not the competitive spirit?"

Also as to your second paragraph coaches routinely bench top players for a large number of reasons both legitimate and illegitimate in my and many fans eyes... the reason they are not banned or suspended for this is the opinions of media consumers are NOT given equal voice in the professional sports (tho if they dont win they do get fired...)

#86
heyhey said on December 30, 2013 at 7:19 p.m.

hmmm this is the best arguement ive heard so far gg

#87
Aether9000 said on December 30, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.

Did they really not learn anything from Chris G?

#88
Madenka said on December 30, 2013 at 7:25 p.m.

There is no argument here. Shinsyn laid down the law, the brothers broke his rules and were punished justly. The people who are defending them are missing the whole point. As a TO, the TO has the right to set the rules of the tournament. If you don't agree to those rules, don't play, break them and expect there would be no repercussions.

Pure and simple. Good on Shinsyn.

#89
DJKNOCKOUT308 said on December 30, 2013 at 7:44 p.m.

Thats good for them.They got to play out the tournament dont get the bonus and watch 3rd place take it all that battling just to look dumb at the end. oh well whens marvel lol

#90
Supermmorpgal said on December 30, 2013 at 7:46 p.m.

Does anyone know these brothers names. While arguments on both sides have merit I think the brothers in questions should have their reasoning known.

#91
OhYouDontSayThat said on December 30, 2013 at 7:47 p.m.

lol... u dont understand their reasoning??? LOLOLOL ok i'll tell you: they wanted to split the money.

#92
Supermmorpgal said on December 30, 2013 at 7:57 p.m.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why they did it, however I think it would be interesting to hear their reasoning directly.

#93
appuru said on December 30, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.

Here, I'll paraphrase for you:

"We didn't read the rules"

"We thought it was ok"

They even interview the guys who won, just watch the archive.

#94
Specta said on December 30, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.

Suck on the big DIK of the law.

#95
Chrisuchiwa said on December 30, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.

Did you even watch the video? they get interviewed on the mic and the Carl player stated that they decided to play Izayoi if they were both in GF. I watched it directly and it made a lot of sense at the end.

#96
Supermmorpgal said on December 30, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.

Yeah I saw their interview, I was mainly fishing for their names so I could contact/interview them. I think this is a fascinating story and I think an in depth interview with them would be fascinating.

#97
oghaggard said on December 30, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.

I don't understand collusion. Can't the two grand finalists in a tourney just play a fair game and split the money afterward? I mean hell, especially when they're brothers!

#98
HyperGadoken said on December 30, 2013 at 8:40 p.m.

Tournaments should instigate a rule where when a player registers, they also put which character they're competing with. these guys are brothers,even if they're pretending to collude, they should just play since both of them are going to take the prize money home anyway.Or maybe if players are permanently punished for colluding like a "three strikes you're out" rule. Bring the 3rd Strike rule to the FGC.

#99
tenacious said on December 30, 2013 at 8:43 p.m.

THIS. Seriously, what's the point of making the collusion this painfully obvious?

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