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Sven: We don't have the development resources to work on an Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 update

Posted by Nicholas 'MajinTenshinhan' Taylor • April 18, 2013 at 8:14 a.m. PDT
Sven: We don't have the development resources to work on an Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 update In a thread over on Capcom-Unity, which questioned why Super Street Fighter 4 is getting yet another update while Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 isn't, Capcom's own Christian Svensson popped in, as he often does, to shed light on the situation.

In usual Svensson-fashion, he cuts straight to the point in a list of why it is more viable, as well as actually possible, for them to focus on updating the Street Fighter IV series rather than the Marvel vs. Capcom series.

1. We have appropriate dev resources available that can work on this project. The same can not be said for an MvC3 update. At the end of the day, this update is not being done at the expense of another... MVC3 couldn't be done either way. I'm not sure how many times I need to express that.

That said...

Hit the jump to hear more from Mr. Svensson.

2. SFIV has outsold MvC3 in any way you'd care to slice the numbers.

3. SF we completely control. No licenses need to be done or fees paid. No approvals required on direction. We can "just go".

4. SSFIV:AE is still the biggest tournament draw in the FGC in terms of participants. Without question, it has the most active competitive base. One of the goals of the project is to keep it there for the foreseeable future.

I am in no way saying that there isn't demand for a UMVC3 update. There clearly is. But the fact we continue to support a title launched in early 2008 for five plus years, where there is very obviously also a demand, should be something you applaud, not criticize. I realize you'd like to see us working on your favorite franchise instead of this one and I appreciate your passion.

As posters questioned why Marvel vs. Capcom: Origins, which also requires licensing fees, Christian decided to share information regarding this as well.

That deal was done as a part of the UMVC3 extension negotiation. Marvel wanted to see another digital release as a part of the deal. We felt that Origins was the best path forward, and we knew Iron Galaxy could pull it off as a part of the roadmap were setting for them (in short, a different and appropriate resource was available).

Source: Ask Capcom

Comments

YoraiDragon said on April 18, 2013 at 8:20 a.m.

Good news =)

#1
Cemantics said on April 18, 2013 at 8:23 a.m.

I like this Sven guy.

#2
Ittouryoudan said on April 18, 2013 at 8:23 a.m.

More of the same thing with different wording.

#3
eatmyshoryus said on April 18, 2013 at 8:24 a.m.

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#4
fighter5717 said on April 18, 2013 at 8:25 a.m.

"SF we completely control. No licenses need to be done or fees paid. No approvals required on direction. We can "just go"
So why don't you make a Capcom All Stars that can have the same engine as UMVC3, but without Marvel/Disney licensing? That I'd buy.

#5
TheShadowDancer6 said on April 18, 2013 at 8:25 a.m.

Doesn't matter how many times Sven says this or whichever way he says it, the FGC community only disect information very selectively. You will get a better conversation from a wall than with the FGC.

#6
ShinzoBishamon said on April 18, 2013 at 8:27 a.m.

@6 haha

#7
alfarin said on April 18, 2013 at 8:29 a.m.

Straight talk. I like it.

@5 Oh dear god make it so but good.

#8
Speakertag said on April 18, 2013 at 8:31 a.m.

@6
Look for @4 as a prime example of your statement. No English comprehension whatsoever, lackluster spelling and grammar, and the intelligence of a gnat.

#9
3D said on April 18, 2013 at 8:35 a.m.

@5 That's very true! I don't think Disney owns the games engine just the characters lol. They pulled it off with tvc, why not make capcom all star with the same mvc style. I'm in too!

#10
xanderglz said on April 18, 2013 at 8:37 a.m.

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#11
Valiantheart said on April 18, 2013 at 8:38 a.m.

Capcom lost the rights to make a Marvel game a little while ago. They can't really update the game anymore. They could potentially do some engine fixes but they cannot add new Marvel assets. Which means they wouldnt be able to monetize the dlc/patch, so there is no business reason for them to do it.

#12
SevenDaggers said on April 18, 2013 at 8:39 a.m.

Good Stuff, it makes sense.

#13
Dedemaru said on April 18, 2013 at 8:39 a.m.

I am as much of a proponent of a new Marvel as anyone. I'd kill to see Juggernaut added into the game - or even a balance patch. But people need to learn when to give up. They're aware of the demand. If the opportunity comes when they can expand on UMvC3, they'll probably take it. They can't do that now. It's not in the cards, they're literally incapable of doing it. Get it through your heads. I'm not surprised, really, with the kind of people that frequent the Capcom boards.

#14
BoozerX said on April 18, 2013 at 8:41 a.m.

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#15
NvhA said on April 18, 2013 at 8:41 a.m.

Capcom can't do sh*t without Marvel's approval and as long as Marvel don't see the benefit of it on their behalf, I doubt they'd care about the need of the community for a rebalancing. It wouldn't boost their comics nor movies just because Morridoom is patched.

#16
Xaviuus said on April 18, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.

There no money to be had with a update sales for it are far lower than sf it would be pointless

#17
KissofPoison said on April 18, 2013 at 8:43 a.m.

What Sven is basically saying is "Although we see we have several products out with big draws, we will constantly only cater to the one that has been done to death".

Instead of coming up with excuses they need to take the bull by the horns and do an update already.

#18
Grimoires said on April 18, 2013 at 8:45 a.m.

Considering the people who worked on UMvC3 are still in the company, to say that they "don't have" the developmental resources is a bit of a misnomer. Fact is, they're not willing to reallocate resources (which will have to come at the expense of other projects).

We know as well as Capcom that Marvel won't say "no" to any update, they will just ask, "How much are you paying me this time?" You can't fault Capcom for wanting to maximize their profits by working on projects that will earn them the most money (which definitely isn't a game that didn't sell as well as expected, and especially not if they have to pay additional licensing fees to Marvel).

I do wonder: if Capcom only makes changes to the game engine/mechanics and Capcom characters, leaving Marvel characters completely untouched, do they still need to pay Marvel?

#19
Deckard_Cain said on April 18, 2013 at 8:45 a.m.

Marvel is Dead.

#20
RomeMc said on April 18, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.

I see comprehension skills are lacking in the FGC. How hard is it to understand that capcom doesn't have the rights to Marvel characters??? The only reason Ultimate was even released was cuz Marvel wanted all the main Avenger characters in it for the movies release. Get a clue already people! There won't be a update or sequels until Disney/Marvel wants one and seeing that it took 11yrs between MvC2 and MvC3 I wouldn't hold my breath

#21
RoanHen said on April 18, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.

Can't they do at least a balance patch? I'm not talking about more characters or whatever, just a balance patch e fixing the bugs. I don't think Marvel cares if they buff or nerf some character.

#22
EG2 said on April 18, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.

@12 & 22 "They could potentially do some engine fixes but they cannot add new Marvel assets."

No. The content of the update is irrelevant. These contracts usually cover any change/update to the product which carries the Marvel brand, not just the Marvel assets in particular. Any update would constitute a change to the product that would need to be approved in a contract. Remember when MvC2 on Xbox couldn't have netplay added to the re-release? That was a sticking point and why it had to be re-released without that new features.

Also as far as not just having the resources available, they couldn't just have the Marvel team sit around and wait for an updated contract negotiations. They likely had no choice but to move on just due to how difficult the licensing process is. They probably split off onto other projects because they couldn't re-license Marvel right away.

#23
SeMi_AuTo said on April 18, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.

I don't understand why people keeping asking about a Marvel update that isn't going to happen. I know people want one who like the game. But, its pretty simple why they can't do it. Yes obviously you need the people to work on it. The main problem is its licensed with Marvel. You can't just work on that game. If Marvel tells you they don't want to do it. You can't do it. SFIV is in house, you can work on that game til your blue in the face. I think it would be easier to update X Tekken because Namco seems a lot easier to deal with with. Marvel is pretty tight fisted with there characters. From what Neatherelm said DC seems easier to work with as a comic company. Marvel just has a different way of doing business.......

#24
tsgrimey said on April 18, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.

UMVC3: Wolverine, Vergil, Dr Doom Special Edition

#25
gam3fr33k said on April 18, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.

It blows my mind people don't find SF4 boring yet. Even Marvel is starting to get boring but it definitely has more hype than SF4.

#26
sagatee said on April 18, 2013 at 9:03 a.m.

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#27
Check895 said on April 18, 2013 at 9:03 a.m.

"I am in no way saying that there isn't demand for a UMVC3 update. There clearly is. But the fact we continue to support a title launched in early 2008 for five plus years, where there is very obviously also a demand, should be something you applaud, not criticize. I realize you'd like to see us working on your favorite franchise instead of this one and I appreciate your passion. "

We've eaten enough of SF4.
UMvC3 needs to be fixed (TAC's infinites are hype once, not everytime), and needs to be rebalanced (what a variety of characters we have, in 6 months it's gonna be a 5 characters game only (just like MvC2)).
Anyway, Crapcom doesn't care. SF4 is easy money (pretty easy to understand why). Easy money is more profitable.
Anyway, the game's still hype though (at the moment).

#28
blazebwoy said on April 18, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.

in short ''the game was a flop, Marvel are douchebags and hard to work with...why would we support it, the characters you fans are asking for Marvel isnt promoting or on their priority list...so bugger off and buy the SF4 update that nobody really wanted other than the fat boys who cant get laid''Sven

#29
Necreon said on April 18, 2013 at 9:09 a.m.

So no hope for UMvC3 on PC. Doesn't matter, Mortal Kombat is coming to steam in June to prove it for the hundredth time that PC community loves fighting games and willing to pay for them. A lot. Lot of them.

So dear CACPCOM, keep your SFxT netcode, I keep my money, and everyone's happy.

#30
BlackMasamune said on April 18, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.

Let's be clear, Capcom Unity is not the FGC. Which is Why Sven has to keep answering this question. He should have been this straight up in the first place and not bother talking to these ignorant noobs anymore.

#31
Lordd_G said on April 18, 2013 at 9:15 a.m.

Seriously people, just STFU up about Mahvel3 updates. The casualz have played as their favorite Marvel characters and moved on. Cashcom is not going to make $$ adding new characters (remember SFIV update is only for balancing, not new characters) and getting licensing fees renegotiated for a game that no one outside the FGC plays... it's just business.

Just like how MvC:O could not include any X-men branded games, b/c another company currently has that license for console games...

#32
Meskiukas said on April 18, 2013 at 9:16 a.m.

RIP Marvel 3

#33
DestinyZX1 said on April 18, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.

Guess now I can hang up my controller and never play this game again.

#34
urbanronin said on April 18, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.

or simply he can say they dont care about the fans they only care about money, why would they listen to the fans about one of their most succesful games

#35
the_main_event said on April 18, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.

I with @5 drop marvel and bring in every one else from capcom...yo just do it!

#36
skitz0phrenic said on April 18, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.

The comments in here that still don't understand that CAPCOM LITERALLY CANNOT UPDATE MARVEL are just sad. There's such a significant lack of reading comprehension here.

#37
kirbykirbykirby said on April 18, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.

There is nothing wrong with asking. Look at earthbound its finally coming to the wii u. Now what people say its true that they should work on an all capcom fighter based on this engine and have full control of it. Capcom just takes a long time to listen to fans

#38
AceKombat said on April 18, 2013 at 9:28 a.m.

It sucks... but what else can you do?

For anyone that's complaining that SFIV is not as hype as UMVC3, there are valid points on that the beginning of top 8 is hype for UMVC3... but grand finals lately have been the most boring thing to watch in a while. SFIV has this issue as well when EG members face each other, but it doesn't happen as much compared to UMVC3. SFIV also has a better player-base internationally, so it gets a more wider reception overall.

It sucks though... but guess we got to accept the game as is. Shouldn't stop people to request it more however, maybe one day things will change?

#39
TickleMaster said on April 18, 2013 at 9:30 a.m.

looks like GoldenGirlNeo's "WHENS MAHVEL" shirt campaign is not working

#40
Echo01 said on April 18, 2013 at 9:31 a.m.

R.I.P.I.P?

#41
Mabans said on April 18, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.

If FGC ever wants to reach a true e-sports level then a company has to make a fighter that will develop over time and have constant support. It's why DOTA, SC, LOL all have strong presence in the "esports" scene. Capcom can do it but with how players are, doubt it.. It would involve in us investing some money to help for updates, ala skullgirls, then again skull girls could be that example.

#42
Vergil_Too_Strong said on April 18, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.

LOL like it matters tbh. Marvel has always been more hyped than AE. You guys are mad that Marvel 3 is the most watched FG on Twitch, face it AE is getting stale, and balancing wont change anything.

#43
Tensa said on April 18, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.

They said this soooo many times marvel 3 is done the sales was lower than sf4 which imo was cheaper to make so we just gotta hold dat and keep donating to chrisG's rent money or play something else

#44
electpaisa said on April 18, 2013 at 9:39 a.m.

I don't know why people don't like Sven, in this industry of liars and cheaters. he's the one guy that I've seen always willing to say it like it is even if he gets sh*t for. You can like or not, but you gotta respect that.

Man, you usually don't read too many good ideas in this site, but @#5 hit the jackpot!! Take the marvel chars out, bring more DmC and SF3 chars and have Eighting (the same guys from MvC3) make the game based on the same engine! That's f*cking genius. Also there is so much Marvel stuff out there nowadays I think we can all live without Marvel in our beloved FGs.

#45
christianlazo said on April 18, 2013 at 9:39 a.m.

@ marvel babies

"Hold dat L to ya chest." - Sven

#46
sirfuxballz said on April 18, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.

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#47
ArkticDark said on April 18, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.

So capcom needs permission from marvel to fix system mechanics like TAC infinite hitstun?

Also, all of the Top, Broken characters are Capcom characters not marvel characters. So does capcom need marvel's permission to fix their own characters in their game.

Also, most of the worst characters are capcom characters. So again, would capcom need marvel's permission to fix their capcom's own characters in capcom's game?

Is it not possible to fix system mechanics and capcom liscened characters without the permission from marvel???

Just patch your stuff and leave marvel's stuff as is.

#48
killerkalmah said on April 18, 2013 at 9:46 a.m.

I hate you capcom... i hate you

#49
Tensa said on April 18, 2013 at 9:47 a.m.

I am sure you need permission to remove and rebalance things also that would cost capcom money because of licenses fees etc an umvc3 didnt even reach 1 million in sales last I heard so yeah dont think its worth it just gotta get use to it

#50
Shalaska said on April 18, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.

Capcom: We don't want to spend time on a game that is beyond repair. STFU and play SF4.

#51
roknin said on April 18, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.

I'm really glad he's laying it out there, point blank and with no smoke.

Not that anyone is going to listen, but you know.

#52
chosenst said on April 18, 2013 at 9:56 a.m.

While I see where Sven is coming from and I agree all his points have validity it seems like a chicken and egg kind of thing. The game has been updated, what three times now? They keep breathing life into Street Fighter 4, which I think is an amazing thing, but it also extends the life of the game. Being the biggest draw and having the most participants isn't just because the game is fun to play and watch, it is because it has had the chance to constantly evolve with each new update. Even after it seems like things may get stale, the announcement of another balance patch comes along and breaths more life into a reinvigorated community.

My point is Marvel had one real 'patch' that seemed to do nothing but nerf Sentinel. I'm not talking about minor glitch patches like taking away Magneto's alternate costume, I'm talking about actual game play changes and re-balancing. The only major change we got came with an entirely new game, which obviously won't outsell Street Fighter 4, for the simple fact it was the second game of the exact same franchise released in the same calendar year. Even when we do get an update it cost $40 dollars. Now again, I'm not that guy to complain about Marvel updates, if it comes that would be awesome but I never once asked for it or expected it. The only thing I have come to expect is that a company respects it's fan base. It seems like we have been going on a year plus of Marvel update requests only to get told over and over that they're not even attempting to appease us cause the 'real money' is in other games. That's what really sucks about this whole situation.

#53
ArkticDark said on April 18, 2013 at 9:58 a.m.

Yea but the sales of UMvC3 is the fault of Capcom as a company and the bad choices they make with timing.

They implemented horrid timing strategy with UMvC3's release so they should realise that with their common sense and blame themselves and not the consumer for poor sales.

#54
ShotoShoryu said on April 18, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.

Already patching AE, could care less about Mahvel. Legal reasons are the factor here and always have been, get over it.

#55
ya_boy said on April 18, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.

At the end of the day Marvel is just not that big of a draw. It pretty is known as America's game so when you don't have Japan or Europe caring all too much about it unlike SF4 then Capcom also has no reason to care.

As long as MvC stays un-updated get ready for Chris G to continue winning every major.

#56
Aqua said on April 18, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.

UMVC3 haters are having a field day here.

also Capcom is lying. they don't need licensing to patch an existing game by doing minor fixes and tweaks. the Marvel content already exists in the game.. altering some gameplay rules here and there doesn't touch anything new in the Marvel universe.

they patched vanilla MVC3 like 3-4 times (including balance changes ex: Sentinel nerf + bug fixing), why can't they patch TAC infinites out of UMVC3? they could at least do that.

#57
sirfuxballz said on April 18, 2013 at 10:10 a.m.

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#58
Syrous_Starr said on April 18, 2013 at 10:10 a.m.

@19
Yes

#59
NissanZaxima said on April 18, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.

Lol at EventHubs monsters thinking they know business.

#60
AkumaMishima said on April 18, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.

I've never seen Sven so forthcoming with info, I hope this is a permanent change for him.

As for the news that there will be no MvC3 update, never say never =P There'll never Streetfighter 4, be Marvel vs Capcom 3, or SFxT. Except they all eventually happened. If mvc players want it bad enough, the demand needs to be so great that it can't be ignored.

Either that or wait for MvC4.

#61
AugustAPC said on April 18, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.

That sucks. I'd really like to see more variety in MvC3 tourney play. Say what you will, but that game is hype as f*ck. I'd love to see some Hsien-Ko, Phoenix Wright, Ghost Rider and Iron Fist. Hell, I even miss Tron Bonne from vanilla.

#62
technical_BOOM said on April 18, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.

guys marvel isnt getting updated, get over it and play a different game or get over it and continue to play either way just shut up because if you dont know its not getting updated your either an idiot or your new around here but its not going to get updated and repeatedly asking is just wasting everyones time

#63
Leo813 said on April 18, 2013 at 10:19 a.m.

@48 read @23. they can't even change that because the whole product still carries the marvel brand. Basically they can't make any changes whatsoever without marvel's consent. it seems like this same question is asked every week. Just like many people, I would love to see another marvel update (it more than deserves an update at this point. I think the game is getting a little too much out of control with all the infinites), but we all know that an update for this game isn't coming anytime soon. It's sad because it's a very fun game to play and watch, but i'm scared for the future of this game because it looks like it's gonna turn stale and run its course just with MVC2 all over again. I don't see any growth in this game happening (as far as finding major new tech or anything). feels like we have seen everything this game has to offer up to this point. I could be wrong about this, but it's just my gut feeling. I think for people who want to see an update for this game, you should hound marvel about it. make petitions and create polls or something to that effect. go on twitter as well. I'm saying that it will work and marvel give the OK to have an update, but it's worth a shot. Remember couple month back, some Marvel staff actually got on twitter and acknowledged that they are aware for a demand on a update to the this game so anything is possible. the other thing I was thinking is that just drop the game and boycott it until something changes (including pro players but they wouldn't do it because it is too much money at stake). it may sound like a stupid idea but if Capcom and marvel can't and will not at this point make changes to it why should we continue to suffer and play it the way as is? If you can't fix the problem, then I ain't playing until the problem gets fixed. damn this was long LOL but it was on my mind so I had to get it off my chest

#64
LordJim said on April 18, 2013 at 10:20 a.m.

@48
No matter what they actually change, this product bears the Marvel Name.
It's not hard to grasp

#65
ZiggzBoy16 said on April 18, 2013 at 10:21 a.m.

Doing a UMVC3 update just isn't practical. They don't make these games so simply appease their fans, no matter how cold it sounds, it's work they do for profit, that's it. Some people may have a personal affiliation with the games, but most of them are not the ones with any real say so in the game. There's five perfectly good reasons why, but to simply put it: They could probably only project making far less money trying to work on the update than they could updating SFIV. I thought people understood the whole hella money involved in these "simple things" during the whole Skull Girls issue..

#66
xeracx said on April 18, 2013 at 10:21 a.m.

If one of the issues is "No licenses need to be done or fees paid"
Then Just add More Capcom Characters to UMVC3 I am sure people will Love it n Buy New DLC Characters SF is Bigger Then UMVC3 but people get more Hype for Marvel.

#67
wBENDERw said on April 18, 2013 at 10:24 a.m.

man sven knows, man he knowS...

so slick rick-ish man

oh well

#68
sirfuxballz said on April 18, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.

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#69
Zero said on April 18, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.

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#70
LACris88 said on April 18, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.

Let's see... RE6 flopped, DmC flopped, MvC Origins flopped, DSR flopped.

Yeah, Capcom really knows what they're doing. Who the heck thought an update to SFIV was a good idea? That game is as boring as watching 2 snails fighting, the pace is insanely slow and agonizing to watch.

#71
samuraix025 said on April 18, 2013 at 10:36 a.m.

its like #19 didn't even read the article before he commented...

Capcom can't do anything to the game without marvels consent. therefore they can not update the game.

#72
lolwut said on April 18, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.

You can tell how inarticulate and unintelligent the MVC community is compared to SF by reading these comments. It's no wonder why Sven had to lay down the hammer.

So hype...lol

#73
roknin said on April 18, 2013 at 10:42 a.m.

@Aqua - "also Capcom is lying. they don't need licensing to patch an existing game by doing minor fixes and tweaks. the Marvel content already exists in the game.. altering some gameplay rules here and there doesn't touch anything new in the Marvel universe."

The dev team that worked on the game is working on other projects apparently. Also, that is likely still true as far as licensing - during the first few patches they may have still been within the contract's timeline, and that could have recently ended.

As such, once that year (or whatever time frame) was done, they can't legally change the game.

I have no idea what the actual contract looks like (hey, I wasn't there!), but it's not a surprise to me at all. Of course, it also depends on the company they have the contract with, and Marvel (like a lot of comic companies really) is likely super-hyper-over-protective of their property, and has some stipulation in there to keep them from touching the game after release, even for minor patches, without all sorts of trouble.

It's not JUST the contractual stuff. It's that, combined with dev resources, and costs. That's not even including the cost to actually patch the game on top of all that.

#74
GeeK said on April 18, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.

I could understand the license issues if they tried to put new characters or sell a new SKU/Version, but i really find it hard to believe that they need approval from Marvel/Disney to do regular bug fixes to the engine.

#75
samuraix025 said on April 18, 2013 at 10:48 a.m.

the same can be said for SF:EX so stop asking for that too, Akira did rival schools as well but I don't know if any of those characters are akira owned

#76
JesseRobles said on April 18, 2013 at 10:50 a.m.

THIS AGAIN? At this point I believe it's completely acceptable if Svensson simply and firmly says "F*** OFF, NERDS. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE WORLD WORKS. GET A LIFE". It'd be awesome. :)

#77
LordJim said on April 18, 2013 at 10:50 a.m.

@#76
Why is it so hard to believe they cannot modify anything at will, no matter how tiny, when it bears the MARVEL name?

#78
lolwut said on April 18, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.

Why are MVC people picking on the licensing issue? Did you read the whole response? Every aspect of the business says don't update MVC...except for the few passionate folk who think the game is so hype. It's a horrible spectator game. If I pulled someone off the street to watch a MVC match they would have no clue whats going on or who is winning. It's like trying to get a foreigner to watch the NFL: Only Americans "get it".

#79
Itachi said on April 18, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.

capcom and svesson is full of it.

they needs permission to expand on to it i.e an update understandable. Therefore they can adjust what already exist or own i.e
balances, patches, or adjusting to the mechanics, characters or overall game play.

they own there game just not the characters in it. there is nothing stopping them from doing this.

we are a big community they just need to stop jerking us around period. we need to get to the bottom of this so called "legality issue" with marvel or ownership rights. I would never let sevesson talk to me like that, we are the CUSTOMERS. We are the reason there is a CAPCOM. They need to get it right. He needs to be carefull about talking direct to "us" the consumers.

we probely will get another bs excuse why they can't but put out more BS ports and bad netcode games. We want quality for our dollars! just saying

#80
NvhA said on April 18, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.

The ignorance of people on how devs and licensing work is really staggering. Do some people actually think updating a game is a matter of few hours sitting in front of the computer typing Kappa & Kreygasm and then pressing enter?

There's an issue of consulting Marvel for their permission, renewing license and reviewing both their intellectual properties. This takes time, money and a lot of effort. This isn't Capcom's property alone. Then there's the cost of manpower and the process of submitting it to XBL/PSN which actually cost money.

There's nothing in it for Marvel to go ahead with this, they have little gain patching Morridoom. They have no obligation to cater to the Marvel FGC. Unless new update could move millions of newcomers, boost their comics and movies.. why should they care?

And why should Capcom be the one to bear all the costs?

#81
Gunner411 said on April 18, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.

SOME of you US Marvel 3 fanboys are ridiculous. You guys expect Capcom, a Japanese company, to cater to a game that's only really big in the US? On top of that, the issues with the licence for the Marvel characters. An update would cost time and resources that they don't believe using up. Japan will always get priority over the rest of the world. If Marvel was as big in Japan as it is in the US, then we would see Capcom bending over backwards. But it isn't, so fact is Capcom don't give a f**k. AE is their biggest fighting game in Japan and on a worldwide scale, in terms of player base. So ofcourse they would be more inclined to work on it

#82
NyuBomber said on April 18, 2013 at 10:59 a.m.

@76: I can, if it's contractually obligated that they go through Disney and/or Marvel to do anything to or with the game and license. And it just may be. And, in either case, like Sven said, it's not just the contract issue.

This greatly disappoints me, but I will continue to express interest in an update, if by the off-chance it could happen.

#83
GeeK said on April 18, 2013 at 11:01 a.m.

#79
To be fair i hardly believe anything Sven says, so take my opinion as you will.

#84
Kenshiro said on April 18, 2013 at 11:05 a.m.

@26, it's not normal to have the games you enjoy to have a short life expenctancy. So while you're expecting everyone to drop this for a newer game is idiocy at it's finest.

#85
GeeK said on April 18, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.

#84
Yeah, personally i believe that this has to do more with patching fees and Capcom feeling that an investment on a UMVC3 patch is not worth it.

#86
Itachi said on April 18, 2013 at 11:10 a.m.

where are people getting there "legality law" information from?
are these people avide googlers? lol
are they corporate layers?
do they experience first hand with enterprise where they can back this information up?
do they know someone who can confirm some of stipulations being thrown around?

far as we the community know right now is nothing. just a lot of he say or what have you.

we need to get some information and stable it for our own knowledege to compare to the bs that people like sevesson and his fan boys or riders have to say on the matter.

yes we all know development takes time, money and resources

how much
how long
what parties are involved we don't know

but we do know that logically speaking, capcom making adjustment to the game is possible and not out of line.

we need a structure and understanding of the internals of this process of patching/balances to a game.

Did capcom not issue some patches when the ultimate first come out to patch certain issues with the game?

why can't they do this again?

#87
feiryuken8 said on April 18, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.

wait so.. when exactly is the next mahvel update coming out? =P

#88
Abbadon36 said on April 18, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.

Let UMVC3 be the mess it is. People play it and enjoy watching it so why change it. Even if it was changed it would never get the community to stop saying broken this and that. The "VS" series is know for tier whoring and broken shenanigans. UMVC3 has all that.
Plus the cost and time to the company. But then again it is a title they sold twice(MVC3). So maybe one update wouldn't be too outta the question.

#89
Spaghetti_Time said on April 18, 2013 at 11:17 a.m.

@6

Man some of these Mahvel babies are stupid beyond belief. You're comment hits the nail on the forehead.

I'd like to see an update as much as anyone else, but Sven has explained numerous times why it can not happen! NUMEROUS!

@78

That's usually the case. A bunch of these posters are a bunch of stupid kids who have no understanding of real world mechanics beyond their bedroom or basement. They grew up spoiled as all hell with mommy and daddy giving them everything they want with seemingly no struggle, so they assume that they're entitled to whatever they want. If the entity does not give them what they demand, their reasoning is that the other entity hates them and/or is out to get them in some fashion.

@81
"Capcom is evil because they don't give me, ME, what I want! A BLOO BLOO BLOO! I'm 12 and I have it aaaaaalll figured out!"

Stay free, children.

#90
Deckard_Cain said on April 18, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.

I'm going to keep this real guys. Capcom is lying because they did patch the game 6+ months after launch originally after they said they couldn't work on it anymore. Remember when they patched out the DLC costume glitch? It was literally just a patch for that. The Marvel license had already "Run Out" at the time yet they still patch a "bug" that caused costumes to be given away for free.

This is how you know Capcom is full of crap. They already patched the game but just to try and force out more DLC dollars. They don't need Marvel's permission to do patches. They just don't want to end of story.

#91
Aluppoj said on April 18, 2013 at 11:19 a.m.

I applaud you Sven! Thank you for the SF4 Updates!!!

#92
NyuBomber said on April 18, 2013 at 11:19 a.m.

Or heck, here's an idea: Capcom taking another stab at the "Capcom All-Stars" concept, this time using exclusively their characters in the Marvel Vs.-style engine. And not sucking, obv.

No Tatsunoko, no Marvel, no SNK. Just Capcom characters, the new characters, the classics, and the underdogs who only got in once/whose series of origin aren't exactly shaking off the cobwebs.

...Meh, dumb idea.

#93
theguilty87 said on April 18, 2013 at 11:20 a.m.

Id love to see more sf4 updates over mvc3 anyday.

#94
Damie904 said on April 18, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.

tl;dr: STFU and go bug Marvel about this instead of us!

#95
HyperViperNZ said on April 18, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.

Make he effort Sven.

#96
Jookey said on April 18, 2013 at 11:25 a.m.

Yes, Capcom All-Stars! Use the Marvel 3 engine! Make it awesome!

#97
NyuBomber said on April 18, 2013 at 11:26 a.m.

@92: There's no lying in Sven's response, you're just seeing the one thing. He explicitly says that SF4 outselling MvC3, for whatever reasons anybody wants to bring up, is a part of it, because SF4 has the wider audience base and will likely be a bigger return on the time and money investment than if they did the same for MvC3 now.

#98
DontTaseMeBro said on April 18, 2013 at 11:35 a.m.

Marvel vs Capcom 2, how many patches did that classic game get?

Zero.

And yet it was the biggest draw for years at tournaments and money matches. And it was by far WAY more unbalanced and broken compared to this game. At least in this game, even the most terrible characters like Phoenix Wright and Hsien-Ko can still be viable to a degree.

I can't say the same for Roll or Servbot in Marvel vs Capcom 2.

Dear Whiners, please stop crying for a patch, we never got one in Marvel vs Capcom 2. So why should we get a 2nd one for Marvel vs Capcom 3?

And this COMES from a Phoenix Wright, Dr. Doom, Sentinel player. They nerfed Phoenix Wright and Sentinel, but you don't see me complaining. Jesus.

#99
ArkticDark said on April 18, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.

LOL! We need to go hound Marvel to give capcom the go ahead to patch the game without charging capcom a fee so that capcom can make some simple core system changes. And they really don't have to change the characters just a system patch.

We need to go pickett Marvel right now! Lol! Seriously.

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