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Updated: Fanatiq addresses Final Round 16 situation, Team Spooky wants your feedback on the Fanatiq vs. ChrisG match

Posted by Steven 'Dreamking23' Chavez • April 8, 2013 at 3:03 p.m. PDT
Updated: Yesterday, Fanatiq posted a video addressing the situation that happened at Final Round 16. He discusses the promotional code comments and his match with ChrisG.

Team Spooky recently began uploading replays from Final Round 16. First up is the match between NYChrisG and Fanatiq. Victor "Spooky" Fontanez is asking you to share your opinion on this match between these two players who are sponsored by the same group, Afterglow Elite (AGE).

Check out an embed of the match below, and after looking it over, head over to this link and leave your feedback on how you think it went.

Comments

DR_Jam said on April 8, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.

I love Fanatiq, but I honestly lost a lot of respect for him. Shameful, throwing a match like that in the top 8 of a major. Think of a good stand off we could be watching if it were some hungry dude instead.

Also, Spooky needs to be more professional. You just don't start a losers top 8 with two players of the same team, you put on opposite sides of the brackets.

Imagine if Evo would do that to the Asian/Japanese players...
To think of it, they should do it to all Vergil/Zero & Doom players. ;) not!

SnakeX said on April 8, 2013 at 2:29 p.m.

@47

1. Everyone should care if he threw the match because crap like this puts a stain on the whole tournament. When this happens there needs to be accountability, otherwise what's stopping other players from bending the rules and crapping all over the tournament just because their feelings were hurt or because they have to face their buddies/team members? The FGC will never be truly legitimate if this kind of behavior isn't eliminated. Why would anyone care about a tournament if they know things like this happen and go unpunished? Why should sponsors want to support a tournament that has dishonest matches? Chris G is the best Marvel player right now, but he's not completely unstoppable so we can't say for sure whether or not Fanatiq could have beaten him; we certainly can't say it based on a match where Fanatiq intentionally played to lose. The fact that even Chris G was visibly asking him to play for real should tell you something too. Chris wasn't okay with that sh*t, why should we be?

2. Joke or not, it's inflammatory because it's getting on people's nerves. Plugging is fine, everyone does this. But then you have to consider that PDP is getting a TON of free advertising on streams thanks to Fanatiq, and aside from that one MK9 tourney from a couple of years ago, they never sponsor any tournaments themselves. You can see why Spooky would be annoyed by that, when he's got ACTUAL sponsors of the tournament not getting anywhere near as much face time. While he was not told to knock it off prior, Fanatiq knew it annoyed people like Spooky but he kept at it anyway. Yes, Spooky could have been less aggressive about the whole ordeal but if Fanatiq had shown some restraint and maturity no one would be talking about any of this right now.

3. Actually the match sandbagging issue was never addressed by One Handed Terror (AGE's team manager). He only apologized for Fanatiq's behavior on-camera and his constant pimping of his promo code. The match throwing and immature behavior of Fanatiq during the tournament was not addressed. And as far as we know, Fanatiq has gotten no real punishment for any of this, which is why he's still playing the victim and going at it with Spooky and his friends even now. I figure that is why Spooky hasn't moved on from this.

Crap like this makes the whole scene look bad, because instead of everyone getting along and pushing the positive aspects of community we get hit with negative sh*t like this where people take sides on stupid issues and nothing gets solved because everyone acts like sh*t-flinging monkeys instead of mature adults.

SnakeX said on April 8, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.

@101

Why does Spooky or any tournament organizer HAVE to reseed brackets for team mates? They're going to face off eventually, what difference does it make? Tournaments aren't team based anyway, it's every man for themselves regardless of what sponsor, team, or nationality they belong to.

And FYI Japanese players DID have to eliminate themselves at EVO...as did the Korean players, and the European players, and fellow teammates...so uh, yeah. This is only ever an issue when people whine and expect preferential treatment from TO's that they don't really deserve.

zUkUu said on April 8, 2013 at 3:12 p.m.

Wow, he acts surprisingly level headed in that video.

casper_ said on April 8, 2013 at 3:23 p.m.

@104 yeah fanatiq is actually an alright dude when he is being real and not playing up this public persona he has created for himself.

NvhA said on April 8, 2013 at 3:36 p.m.

#101

Its ridiculous to separate members from the same team in the bracket just because they're on the same team. And Japanese players were knocking each other out before they made it to top 8 last year.

lolwut said on April 8, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.

Do what the Olypmics did when Badminton players were throwing matches:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics...

TickleMaster said on April 8, 2013 at 4:28 p.m.

yo fanatiq when is the next money match ? u already bodied joker and rayray whos next? im calling it KFC yipes vs fanatiq MM

tragedymb said on April 8, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.

stuff like this makes the rest of the world not take the fgc serious! reseeded? once you get to a certain point in a tourney you are gonna play friends and team memebers, stop being so childish

ya_boy said on April 8, 2013 at 4:37 p.m.

Spooky being a big baby still? He needs to get over it and so does everyone bagging on Fanatiq.

Team members throwing matches to each other so the better play can move on and win is NOT NEW! And in this case people really need to stop crying when they end up saying ChrisG was just gonna win anyways.

disp said on April 8, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.

All this dilemma actually made me like AGE more than before, because I didn't even know the manager, but he seems like most mature acting of those involved.

He was on a stream here yesterday: http://www.twitch.tv/daezo/b/388130334

okay said on April 8, 2013 at 4:54 p.m.

Players should be allowed to lose if they want to. If people don't like it, then knock them out of the tournament sooner rather than later.

emc said on April 8, 2013 at 4:57 p.m.

this is dumb.

spooky is dumb.

his commentating has been ass for awhile now, can you think of anything other than "ooh, ooh, ooh, happy b-day, ooh, ooh, ooh". You let Yipes swag get the best of you. Be original and ACTUALLY commentate.

aegis_refractory said on April 8, 2013 at 4:59 p.m.

This whole thing has blown up way bigger than it should have. Fanatiq should've just withdrawn from the match and he said sorry about the AGE plugging on stream. I hate to say it, but it seems like Corporate Sp00ky just wants that youtube CPM. You knew that things were going south when he started calling his stream 'the production' and cutting away from infinite combos to show player reactions. I'm probably alone in this but I could care less about player 'drama' and the look on their faces during the match, I watch to see the match, not for the commentary, the chat or the 'drama'. Can we get back to playing please.

MonkeyCha0s said on April 8, 2013 at 5:21 p.m.

wow it seems like the Spooky fanboys were on the rise defending every little wrong thing he did even when i personally didnt have a problem with it but its amazing how oblivious the Fanatiq fanboys are. they eat up every thing he says and want to hound Spooky while in turn begging people to stop hounding their one and only true Christian, Fanatiq. i didnt even care what Fanatiq did or didnt do until YOU, the FANBOYS, blew it out of proportion, not Spooky or Fanatiq.

iMTopTier said on April 8, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.

it was completely staged....both "dropping" combos they do with their eyes closed......it looked obviously stupid when they were hitting a character and before killing the character they stopped pressing buttons Yipes even noticed that sh*t and that was just Fanatiq helping Chris G stay in the tournament

Jennyfromtheblock said on April 8, 2013 at 5:32 p.m.

Like other have mentioned above me a lot of this stuff is not new a lot of shady stuff goes on at tournaments but just because something has always been a certain way does not make it right.I just hope people dont single out Fanatiq and realize that this is something the FGC in general needs to address.

tavarez said on April 8, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

Bosco said on April 8, 2013 at 5:59 p.m.

The reason why this issue is being drawn out so much is because things are changing in the FGC and this is a new precedent. It could do a lot of damage in the future if fighting games ever want to see the light of day.

DontTaseMeBro said on April 8, 2013 at 6:20 p.m.

The only reason this kept popping off was because Spooky and Fanatiq were having a war of words still on Twitter, that is why Spooky attacked him back. I really don't care who is right or wrong, but it was messed up that Fanatiq through the match. As for Spooky's end, well I think he was in the right due to what Fanatiq was saying to him on Twitter.

Because for every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

But honestly, this isn't nothing compared to FGC Drama, you wanna see drama? Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty7VUj...

spotlesseden said on April 8, 2013 at 6:21 p.m.

ChirsG is the better player. The better player won. Yeah, they didn't gave it 100%, but this happen alot. Yesterday in a Canada tournament, J Wong and RP rog use random team in the Final also.

Maybe EC is still salty about Fanatiq took rayray money on FT15.

MonkeyCha0s said on April 8, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.

#120 is right. one of the problems is that alot of people didnt see what happened on twitter and think Spooky just wanted to keep it going for some reason. if Fanatiq had just dropped it after Spooky spoke to Sebastian i doubt we'll still be talking about it today. maybe later but not today.

@121 no. whether EC is still salty or not, it has nothing to do with this moment. thats history. also EC isnt just one guy (Spooky) but if you mean others then it makes more sense to say that. still, no.

8Period95 said on April 8, 2013 at 6:44 p.m.

Need to just let this junk drop. This has double standards written all over it. It's a problem because it's Fanatiq right? But other prominent members in the FGC throw matches and split pot in GF all the time, but that's cool.

Kalio said on April 8, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.

Sp00ky is an annoying little rat. His face has to be the most punchable face in all of the FGC.

Sp00ky also doesn't want to see a brotha getting money. If you go into the archives the day before FR he was talking bad about black people and how they don't achieve anything and are the majority of the prison population. Stream chat blew him up, but of course they hugged his nuts later like the 4.99$ subscribing idiots they are.

Please don't let that rat commentate for NCR. PLEASE!

spotlesseden said on April 8, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.

Fair Enough, but the next time that ChirsG doesn't use his main team on a major and drop alot of combo against an EC player. I want the same complain from Sp00ky, Yipes, and other who complained about it.

rogueish1 said on April 8, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.

I want to know what the rest of the bracket looked like. So I can see if the brackets really looked unfair.

MonkeyCha0s said on April 8, 2013 at 7:27 p.m.

#125 i would want the same complaint as well. but it has happened. Yipes and Spooky dont just get angry at lame EC vs WC grand finals but also EC vs EC. if Yipes sees some weird team he'll rather them "pick their sh!t". there might be some bias but its not complete bias.

dorayaki said on April 8, 2013 at 7:41 p.m.

NOW HEAR THIS! Tourneys should implement a simple new rule for major tourneys. That is: if there is a highly suspect match between players, tourney judges/managers review match. If it is unanimous that the match was fraudulent, the loser is disqualified and replaced by the player who was beaten/eliminated by the disqualified contestant. The match will be replayed with the reinstated contestant.

D@mn, that sounded more complicated than it really is. But basically, in the case of JWong vs PR Rog, disqualify PR Rog and Tokido replaces him and ultimately gets #2 (likely) while PR Rog gets nothing. Then we'll start seeing less of this junk.

rogueish1 said on April 8, 2013 at 7:52 p.m.

@128 Sorry but that isnt fair. If a player sandbags vs me I should not be punished because he sandbags. There are variables you havent considered.

Besides final round already has a policy on this if you look on their website so this really isnt about what to do because again there is already a guideline.

dorayaki said on April 8, 2013 at 9:03 p.m.

@129 NOPE. You don't get it. What I'm referring to is when two players collude on a match. There are obvious indications - are they teammates, roommates, friends, etc. You're talking about sandbagging- which imo is perfectly fine.

Not to mention, having to play an "extra" match is hardly a punishment - especially when the original match was a gimme/free. In effect, you simply have to earn your win instead of getting a bye.

The FR rules are bs. fanatiq placed in the tourney so he wasn't ejected. They didn't enforce sh**. And to say you're banned from future events... that's laughable. It's once a YEAR. So, yeah... No.

Smorgasboard said on April 8, 2013 at 9:29 p.m.

@130
Why should the player who lost get another chance even though he lost fair and square?

If you want to punish someone, just straight a straight DQ will. Anything else is just asking for trouble.

JELIFISH19 said on April 8, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.

Honestly, I don't see a problem. Fanatiq thought the brackets weren't fair so he threw the match. They faced each other for elimination in top 64. He thought they should be on opposite side of the bracket. TOs don't necessarily rig the brackets, but they create them in a way that top players can make it to the end. No one wants to see a tournament where Justin, F. Champ, Yipes, Chris G, Flocker, PR Rog, and Marlinpie are in the same pool because they would eliminate each other early on. That affects how good a tournament is from a spectator's point of view. TOs adjust brackets so that familiar players can make it to the top 8 in practically all tournaments. If they didn't, we would see many more random people placing high in tournaments. No one would put the EG guys in the same pool so he felt that AGE was treated wrongly.

I don't agree with it but I understand it.

dorayaki said on April 8, 2013 at 10:34 p.m.

@131 For the lack of a better substitute, that's why. If there is no substitute, then the whole point of the fraud is upheld- one of the persons gets a bye as was the goal. To impede that goal of receiving a freebie, and discourage the whole situation from jump, you set a rule to sub someone in- the most reasonable choice would be the last contestant who potentially would've been there if the fraudulent player didn't exist.

It's just an idea that probably will never been instituted, so don't think too hard on it bro.

Smorgasboard said on April 9, 2013 at 12:45 a.m.

@133
There is no fraud if a player chooses to withdraw. People are allowed to quit at any time.

Johoseph said on April 9, 2013 at 5:32 a.m.

LOL @ everyone who says:
"Players are allowed to lose / quit if they want."

Screw that. Guess what, Fighting Games will go NOWHERE if this is allowed to continue rampantly. Y'know who makes a sport / esport what it is? The SPECTATORS. If no one wants to watch the game then it's over, the FGC will fail. If you're fighting in top 8 you better god damn well deliver your best performance, because that's what all the spectators are waiting for.

rweuioisdf said on April 9, 2013 at 5:50 a.m.

(This user was banned.)

throughsilence said on April 9, 2013 at 6:07 a.m.

Just shows how illogical and immature the guy is. If he was a true professional, he'd take that challenge and run with it

Smorgasboard said on April 9, 2013 at 6:37 a.m.

@135
What would you have the TOs do? Point a gun at Fanatiq's head and force him to play? Cause that's what it really means to not let someone quit.

Johoseph said on April 9, 2013 at 6:51 a.m.

@138

Well yeah, it's too late to do anything now. And he shouldn't be reprimanded WHILE playing, but AFTER.

Let's say Fanatiq was banned from playing UMVC3 at the next Final Round? Yeah, this sort of play wouldn't happen too much, and it's what is needed for the FGC to grow. Spectators need to be excited and have fun. I'm not saying this ONE incident is ruining the spectator aspect, but if it's allowed to continue it will.

I was more pointing out the absurdity of people saying its "OK" to do this.

JELIFISH19 said on April 9, 2013 at 7:39 a.m.

@139

What about TO's actually randomly seeding brackets? Then Fanatiq wouldn't have anything to object to since anyone could've faced a teammate in pools. I don't think we should look at it like Fanatiq sandbagged and it's bad. We should look at why he did it and what he had a problem with. He felt it was unfair because they wouldn't do that to another team. The only issue with randomly seeded brackets is that spectators don't want Chris G and F. Champ in the same pool when we want to see them in Grand Finals. There's a lot going on here.

iMTopTier said on April 9, 2013 at 7:44 a.m.

people is not the same throwing a match like they did at FR so Chris G could stay in the tournament or dropping a match in a weekly tournament to split the pot money like Chris G and RayRay do most of the times at BC......but it's easier to say that Fanatiq is doing the right thing,but what him and Chris G did was dirty just to not eliminate Chris G

RedRapperSux said on April 9, 2013 at 8:35 a.m.

Boring

BoozerX said on April 9, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.

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CheeseCakez said on April 9, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.

Just keep Fanatiq off the mics at tournies. That's all we want.

PropLeXed said on April 9, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.

Rights and wrongs on both sides but one thing I will say is that this topic has gone on way longer than it needed to.

SgtKonus said on April 9, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.

The FGC mocks the Smash Community for doing this but then we say "Why is this important" when it happens inside our own borders.

DarkPhoenixRises said on April 9, 2013 at 3:30 p.m.

HOLD UP @99 You think pot spilting and throwing matches is UMVC3's fault..... LMAOOOO!! I would call you some type of idiot but that would be a compliment.

tktktk43 said on April 9, 2013 at 9:29 p.m.

I understand where Spooky is coming from as a tournament organizer but I feel like it's completely ok for Fanatiq to do what he did. There were no rules explicitly stating no promoting while on the mic. In addition, Fanatiq and his sponsor paid for his tournament admission. If he wants to give it to Chris G or whatever, it's his right. Was it an ethical thing to do? No, it wasn't. But it's his choice. He wants to protest, let him. The FGC is mixed with different people with different attitudes I'm surprised we don't have cat fights more often. This is a whole lot of nothing. The one that wins this argument is the bigger douche; that includes all of you on eventhubs arguing lol.

BigFleccs said on April 12, 2013 at 2:22 p.m.

Lame play to win, marvel is already boring enough!

SuperTurboFinisher said on July 2, 2013 at 7:39 a.m.

Its wrong but if he wants to purposefully fail he has the right to. The players who do this lose my respect, it doesn't matter what the reason is. The bracket is unfair? deal with it.

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