yesh baby

No SF=don't care....
Nah, but I'll check it out for the SCV and maybe KOF.

Go here for the Twitch chat: http://www.twitch.tv/mlgfighters

E-SPORTS

dat annoying dub step promo

yooo e spooorts

Free money to the good players, if you look at the brackets pretty much everyone has byes going into the quarter finals. Not very many sign ups

The stream for the SFxT tournament sponsored by AMD was "SO BAD" 0 hype, bad commentary and the players were bored. That looked like a funeral or something, so sad...

This is really what people want for the future of fighting games? 0 hype and just money?....

We need more Big Two, WNF and the rest of the FGC tournaments streams. Hype and trash talk are part of why the streams are so awesome. Sorry E-Sports but "No Thank You". if companies want to support the FGC then just add money to the cause but do not try to change the scene :(

#7 that was a showmatch tournament at a music convention, not saying mlg will be like evo. But these games barely get any hype at majors eighter way, looks at the crowd for soul calibur 5 at final round for example, hype? no.

Can people stop talking like this is the future of fighting games? There may be some events like this every once in a while, but there is no way that the normal tournament hype is gonna die like normal

I feel so dirty watching the MLG stream.

E SPORTS

Dude! They tried already to get Capcom games but failed. They want to change the scene and they are will keep trying. Just look at the stream right now "BORING AS HELL". This is not starcraft... please... even with fubarduck there still pretty bad.

Seriously, commercials after every round. It's like Canada Cup 2.0.

This is the most unhype event ever. You cannot apply the Starcraft mentality to fighting games...it just makes everything seem dull, even when it isn't. :/

Did anyone read the rules for the players for this event? You can't do ANYTHING lol

Wow this is kinda boring.

Can someone post a link to the brackets?
At work so I can't watch but still hella hype.

@#17

We're getting about one match per hour with all the commercials inbetween, so you probably won't miss too much.

20 minutes between matches, 5 minutes between games. they're treating them like starcraft matches, it's incredibly stupid pacing for this type of game.

WoW MLG making Canada Cup look free #kappa

Damn, Xian getting his ass kicked in KOF.

Wow, the hype factor for MLG events is so low. All they need to do now is to try and bring Capcom's fighting games into MLG and MLG knows that their fighting games are pretty much at the top of the food chain. I hope this doesn't happen, though. Seriously, if MLG takes over the FGC, it'll become like Hollywood: all fake with players lacking passion and only to play for the money. FGC events bring so much hype, enjoyment, great commentators and players show a lot of passion. Earning some good money is okay but money doesn't exactly mean everything in life. I'm glad Capcom denied them and I hope they continue to do so.

Triforce interview with midget interviewer is awesome!

Hype is low?? What stream are you watching? These KoF matches are crazy!

#24 i agree, people seem to think that crowd noise=hype, if you dont actually like the game to the point where it makes you hyped, maybe this isnt for you?

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#24 These peeps don't know about that KOF. These are some pretty high level matches and great production. All they need is a good crowd. The fgc should've showed up to support the fighters at this event. At least MLG is listening and doin commercials after sets now as well.

@7 Kurow:

I wholeheartedly agree. This eSports crap is so unhype and boring. I REALLY hope this isn't the future of fighting games.

Can't wait till tomorrow for NCR.

I hope Xian win one game.

SoulCalibur 5, King of Fighters 13, Starcraft and Mortal Kombat 9 don't really interest me. The prize money is the best thing. I wish all the players the best. Get that money! Hopefully MLG will add Capcom to the roster: without Capcom, I'm gone.

fail

MLG asked CAPCOM to let their game feature at MLG, but capcom dont agree....

@24

As I said, it's the way everything is presented that is unhype, not the matches themselves. Every tournament is full of killers, nobody is doubting the quality of the MATCHES. It's the presentation and the way they're operating the event that is killing the hype.

Like I said, they're applying the dull Starcraft mentality to fighting games: boring commentary, ads EVERYWHERE, and a general slow ass pace. No f'ing thanks.

I tried to watch the stream, but the audio was desync'd and it was lagging. I have watched little tournaments with 15 viewers that were streamed better.
what the hell MLG

Mlg can do nothing but help the fgc, i dont know what these complainers are smoking... am i saying mlg will ever be better or as good as evo? Of course not. But more tournaments and more exposure is nothing but a good thing, if people would stop being such @ssholes to mlg, g4tv, etc. and instead put that effort into helping, thier events and presentation would improve much faster. They might overlap dates once in awhile but thats just the way it goes, maybe if they were shown some love theyd pass it forward and try their best to not step on peoples toes.

I really enjoyed the actual matches, but eventually got bored because the tournament was running so slowly.

Capcom should allow MLS to host their games. MLS pays better than community run tournaments. And most of their tournaments are invitational like Godsgraden, so no top players beating on scrub matches.

@35 people have repeatedly told the MLG guys how the FGC works differently from the ESports community, how people come to fighting game tourneys not to just watch the top players play but also for the hype and for the casual matches. The MLG guys on the other hand don't listen, don't seem to be interested in listening and seem to think that they know everything. That the model the FGC is using now isn't worth preserving and there's nothing the MLG guys can learn from us. With this kind of attitude what chances does MLG have of being successful with fighting games?

I dunno what ppl are talking bout, KOFXIII stream was plenty hype, especially when Juicebox was commentating.

MlG lived up to all expectations of failure. Put KOF in a dark corner with no spectators, ran 3-10 minute commercials after every match, put a 4 minute slow mode in the chat, banned anyone for mild trolling, and talked down on the FGC like they're Mitt Romney and we're all inner city kids.

i thought xian was the king of KOF in singapore.. i guess not?

Where's Xian? I predicted he'd win this ha

People keeps saying that MLG should use the FGC formula but what exactly is the FGC formula? Are all FGC tournaments all over the world the same?

#43 he forfeited his 2nd match.

So wait. We're mad because we didn't show up to the event and generate some hype? Really? Watch the StarCraft streams. The casters are hyped, the crowd is hyped. Watch the FG streams. The casters are hyped, the crowd is dead. If you care about the FGC then get out there and get hype. Damn. It's not MLG's fault that the FGC is unmotivated. We need what LoL and StarCraft have, and we have to work for it, or else our scene is going to die. As it is we're the red headed bastard step-child of eSports.

Either that or we're the old angry drunk that fathered eSports and envies it it's success. Get out there, get hype, and support this MLG ish so that we can have the nice things that the other games have. Damn.

This event is going great honestly. These games don't game good spectator turnout at traditional FGC events so it's no surprise here. The matches are still hype and the stream quality is fantastic. MLG is doing great.

LETS GO JUSTIN!

@#45

No way? How come? :(

lol #48

@46. Wrong. It is their fault. Why have MLG on the same weekend as NCR = less ppl showing up.

And no we do not need what starcraft and LoL have.
The moment the FGC ends up being eSports = the death of the FGC

@51, MLG had this event booked long before NCR even had a date.

MLG will never shift their events around for fighting games, the other games they have all attract more people, and SC2 has a big tourney like almost every weekend these days.

The stream last night was good, the casters were good, the games were good, it was the crowd that didn't show up. How is that MLG's fault exactly? You can't exactly go onto the street and buy people to sit on your chairs. This lies on the FGC itself, if we don't show up and support it, why should they continue to host events? At the end of the day, they did pretty much everything they could do, they even listened mid-broadcast to lower the amount of ads they were putting out. I just have an issue with people screaming NO HYPE, when they don't show up and create the hype, this is on the community.

The amount of BS fanboy logic in this comments section is ridiculous. You complain that the stream is boring, but you don't want MLG getting Capcom fighting games or FGC organizers working with MLG. Essentially you're fighting against MLG being exciting and then complaining that it's not exciting.

FGC organizer support would not only help persuade Capcom but would also teach MLG what they should and shouldn't be doing. They'd learn where to place ads and how many to show at a given time.

It's really dumb to expect greatness from an organization that's only allowed to dip their toe in the FGC waters. It's clear the players want this to happen. The only people resisting are the organizers that stand to profit and the stream monsters that rarely contribute anything to the events.

@54 what kind of support are you expecting from FGC organizers for MLG? When MLG doesn't want to listen to them?

MLG is where it is at but they need to stop trying to make this Starscraft.
I'm sure NRC is gonna try to be more "hype" just to compete with MLG but there is no competition here.

@55 Proof? That claim gets thrown around a lot but outside of a single occurrence from years ago (long before FGC blew up w/ SF4) there hasn't been another example given. You have guys like Sundance going as far as telling organizers he'd be willing to open a space at an event for fighting game tournaments that are 100% run by the organizers who created it. If you need proof of that I can link you to the Cross Counter Live interview with him.

"you don't want MLG getting Capcom fighting games or FGC organizers working with MLG"
You're imagining things.

"teach MLG what they should and shouldn't be doing"
Why should we? How hard is it to watch the stream of a major tournament and just copy what they do? Just play ads when you have downtime, don't create downtime to play ads.

"an organization that's only allowed to dip their toe in the FGC waters."
Nobody is allowing anything to anyone. If they wanna run a tournament, they run it. If the money is there, it's well organized and it's not on the same days as an established tournament, people will attend.

"stream monsters that rarely contribute anything to the events."
They only contribute all of the profit that is made from the stream. Without the viewers you have no ad-revenue and you also have no sponsors.

@57 the results speak for themselves. Running the same system where the audience is cut off from the competitors, forcing their stupid continuation rule (that no Halo or Starcraft fans like), running the same model in their streams that they are using for Starcraft (tons of ads, long time between matches), is there even causal setups over there? Sundance is charismatic but he's a liar who shows zero respect for the FGC and he seems to think he can buy his way into a slice of the FGC without actually trying to understand how the FGC has built itself up to what it is. And for some reason guys like you worship ESports and think that they are the savior of the FGC........... in case you haven't realize nobody goes to FG tourneys to make money. That's why MLG is irrelevant.

#59

"Sundance is charismatic but he's a liar who shows zero respect for the FGC..."

He's no worse than the people who organize fighting game tournaments right now. He's just more successful.

The American fighting game community has to clean up its act if it wants to be respected. This won't happen until the current generation of 'paypah chasers' go into retirement.

if MLG is irrelevant, then why do you care if the run fighting game tournaments, why do you care if they run ads on the stream? why do people care if they run tournaments in the same weekend as FGC.
look, you run your tournaments, they run their tournaments.
Don't force your believe into another organization.

@58
Capcom is stopping them from running their games and FGC tournament organizers aren't working with them. That's what's stopping them. They're only partly allowed into the FGC because the only fighting games they can run are ones with small fan bases.

As for stream monsters contributing all of the profit, how do you think tournaments worked before streams? The sponsors are there because physically show up. Without stream monsters there would still be tournaments with sponsors. The sheer arrogance of your statement is the problem with this esports situation. The players want it but the stream monsters that haven't gone to a single tournament rant and rave on every fighting game site and stream chat at every chance they get. Without stream monsters there are still tournaments. Without players there are no tournaments.

@59
That's why MLG needs experienced FGC organizers. They don't know how to run fighting game tournaments. They're in their infancy with this and people are already claiming this is the death knell. It's dumb.

And you can say players don't go to tournaments to make money, but the facts say otherwise. People reacted similarly to sponsors a few years back and now it's an accepted part of the community. Also if money didn't matter then why are known American and foreign players at MLG right now?

@NWAndroid

Reading comprehension.
"the profit that is made from the stream" is what I said. Of course they would still make money from people physically showing up, I never claimed otherwise. Not sure if they would profit from it though, with the cost of the location and equipment.

About Capcom not allowing them to use the game: didn't know they needed the permission, seeing as how every other tournament streams the games, and MLG is not that different from other events. Just bigger.
Still, I don't see why they need the support of other tournament organizers.

So what are the benefits of MLG for the viewers?

I've seen the reason as to why players may benefit but that has no effect on the people in this thread. Maybe if there was an "esports" lockout to follow in the footsteps of the NBA it would be worth appeasing them, but as of now that's hardly a valid reason, right? What about the current 16 or so majors and EVO doesn't satisfy your viewing needs? The way things are we get high quality streams (360p at the absolute worst but normally 480ish), great commentary by charismatic players of the games, and weekly tournaments. Whereas in the first 10 minutes of MLG you get poor commentary, quality limiters (Canada Cup I know), incessant advertisements, less games, and a hype killing professional atmosphere (I guess the last part could be considered opinion)

What counterbalances all of the reasons to NOT want the MLG stream to succeed?

@#63,

all for profit events need capcom (or any other companies) permission to use their games. Even evo has to ask capcom for permission. If you just run your little tournament, capcom doesn't care. But if you starting to make millions using their games without permission, capcom can sue you.

@63 I know what you said. I'm telling you you're wrong and even if you weren't the "profit" from the stream doesn't contribute to the event itself. That's what's so arrogant about that sentiment. Stream monsters want to dictate how things should be when their own contribution doesn't amount to much. And contrary to what you may believe they do need to get permission from game companies, especially when streaming is involved.

@64 No one is saying there's a shortage of tournaments view. It just seems goofy that people (stream monsters) are actually fighting against having more tournaments to watch. Since when did more choices become a bad thing? You're a fool if you expect FGC style streams from a group that's just starting to stream fighting games without the help or support from the FGC. Also you say great commentary, which is an opinion. For example, I like UltraChen, but I don't care for the commentators who think "gay" and "bitch" are usefull terms to convey the action on the screen. Or commentators that would rather talkto each other than call the matches. We all have opinions, that much is true, but let's not pretend every commentary team is UltraChen.

@66
How am I wrong in saying that they would make way less money if the stream monsters weren't there? There were 80000 people watching on the final day of EVO2011, now I don't know how many people were physically attending, but I doubt it came anywhere near that. It's not my intention to sound arrogant here, this is not a contest. I just wanna get the facts straight. You said stream monsters don't contribute much, that's just not true.
Also, the profit from the stream contributes in making the event bigger the next year, not a small thing if you ask me.

MLS makes more money because they big sponsor money and they charge money for HQ stream.

40k players watch evo means nothing. evo doesn't even run ad. even if they run ads, most people have ad blocker. Where is the money combing from?

stream never make money. Topanga league stream is probably the most successful stream that make money, but not because they have alot of people watching.

@66 Name all the majors this year without Ultra David and/or James Chen doing commentary until their voices start to go?

People don't have a problem with new events, they have a problem with those events overlapping with the already established ones and splitting players who have obligations to their sponsors.

Even if the FGC (dont you feel like a tool using that moniker?) did support MLG, that doesn't account for the quality limiters and incessant advertisements you ignored in my last post. It seems to me that they're trying to establish not just themselves but their money grubbing tactics under a guise of professionalism, that, as far as I can tell, is almost entirely superficial.

This isn't one or none, it's one or the other. MLG or NCR. They chose the date, they invited the comparison. What are they infusing into their stream to nullify the drawbacks, let alone make it more appealing?

What counterbalances all of the reasons to NOT want the MLG stream to succeed?

If they wanted to be embraced they would have worked with the schedulers, instead they chose to bulldog and people are responding.

this mlg event is a joke. arturo was supposed to make this a good event for fighting games but i guess he has too much esports money up his ass now to care.

Bala wins again

Hope Justin god paid well just to attend. If he would of not been forced by E.G. which I assume is what happened he would of actually been in the money at Nor Cal. Probably.

Justin Wong was conceited and dumb to enter...I guess the dollar signs blinded his commonsense.

You tards just don't get it. You whine like little kids. DO YOU KNOW WHY THERE ARE COMMERCIAL ON TV? The ads are what brings in revenue tard-heads.
The organizer needs to balance how many ads can be sold versus the max that the viewers will tolerate. Thus, the prizes will award to more than just the bucket of entry fees minus the organizer's cut.
If EVO stream got their ads in there, they might be able to even double the prize money. The bigger the prize, the more exciting the event. But then you tards sitting at home viewing for free would still complain.

So stop whining about ads on streams- unless you're willing to dish 8.95 son.

What an AWFUL format. Trying to make fighting games look like the Super Bowl is embarrassing! There was no hype.

@74 I think if given a choice he would rather be at NorCal trying to establish himself as the best SFxT player in America. But SirScoots holds his wallet and he obviously wants J Wong to be supporting MLG. IMHO J Wong really needs to consider ditching EG, being under the helm of someone with a more patronizing attitude towards the FGC than Sundance is never going to work out on the long run.

Congrats to BALA for winning MLG. Answer and Juicebox are a great duo on commentary. KoF tournament was hype and learned a few things from watching.

Overall from what I've watched MLG has been hype in the matches. I watched KoF & MK and every single match I watched was amazing. Like I said already Answer & Juicebox was great, but so was 995Phil for MK. Fubarduck also did a great job for covering 3 completely different fighters and having general knowledge on each of them!

I cannot wait for PL vs CDjr tomorrow!

damn Keev went to USA and took America's prize money for free. i guess the French are #1 at SCV. shame i could watch neither ncr or mlg

#79

The moment I saw that Keev entered, I knew he was going to win. Best SCV player at the moment...he's just on another level!

o shiet PL in top 16??? LETS GO.

Bala is the king of KOF.

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Nope, Justin Wong went on his own accord because if that wasn't so then Flow--EG member and a SCV player--would have attended as well.

Justin Wong chased the money and it was appalling for anyone to think he would have placed high in either game.

JWong chose money, but only didn't choose him. Either, I respect his decision for trying something new. Next time though, go all out, instead of competing for games that he may not prioritize enough.

When you're competing for the love of the game and the sport then your chances of winning are higher instead of competing for the love of money. JWong conceitedness made the fool of him at MLG, he would have had a better chance at NCR since he play those games consistently.

You don't see Bala--a KOF player--entering in MK9 because the prize pool is bigger, no he stuck with the game he loves and he's good at. Justin Wong, however, entered into all three tournaments, to increase his chances of getting some decent cash, but when you look at his competitors, it was a dumb move.

chris hu needs to do commentary lol

Wow, I didn't realize that Keev and Kayane were at MLG. Certainly makes it way more interesting.

Justin Wong has repeatedly tweeted that his goal wasn't to win at MLG Columbus but to gain the experience needed to win in the future. He might also be trying to rival Tokido in number of money finishes. Lol.

@86,

J wong always play all fighting games like Tokido. Bala is just only good at one fighting game, that's totally different.

some people are just good at multiple games.

fubarduck is one of the worst commentators i've ever seen. i'm glad arturo got on the mic for mk9 instead. fubar = boring and anti hype. it's obvious he didn't know anything about the games.

@86,

You, sir, are an idiot. Stop assuming you're correct because I am almost positive you did not obtain your information from Justin Wong himself.

spotlesseden

I am sure Bala plays all fighting games as well but he only competes in one. As for JWong, yes I agree with you, but he doesn't compete in SCV and MK, it is best to register for games you compete competitively than casually.

Shoutouts to 9th place in Mortal Kombat for the EVO Champion.

@92 he didn't competes in other fighters(i;m not just taking about this tournament) because he is no good. I bet J wong will beat him at almost the fighters that's out right now other than kof.

Holy sheet these commentators are so boring!

@76; lol agreed. MLG is, and always will be terrible.