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Street Fighter X Tekken - The Online Warrior: downloadable content, rage of the fighting game community

Posted by Steven 'Dreamking23' Chavez • March 10, 2012 at 1:31 p.m. PST
Maximilian uploaded episode 2 of his Street Fighter X Tekken: The Online Warrior. In this episode Max discusses such topics as the recent controversy involving the 12 downloadable fighters while battling more opponents online.

Comments

Oroku_Saki said on March 10, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.

"Rage Of The FGC", that sounds so much like a game subtitle or a powerup for Kratos.

#1
jhayze said on March 10, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.

ULTIMATE MVC2 3X NEW EVIL DLC

The game is said to have eight new characters. A DLC voucher will be sold for $14.99 and a packaged disc version will be sold for $39.99.

https://twitter.com/#!/Ryota_Niitsuma...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthrea...

http://gematsu.com/2012/03/rumor-ulti...

#2
RootBeerCannon said on March 10, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.

Spreading disproved rumors should be bannable.

#3
flungdungfar said on March 10, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.

lol #2 its fake. I can't believe so many people are falling for it.

#4
m0mo said on March 10, 2012 at 1:53 p.m.

Capcom doesn't know such a thing as Downloadable content. They're DLC is Disc LOCKED content.

#5
Ginta36 said on March 10, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.

Does SFXT have a shorter or longer lifespan than the SFIV series?

#6
maxs2d2ace said on March 10, 2012 at 2:07 p.m.

*claps hands*

well i knew max was going to be cool headed about this whole dlc thing, but i thought he was going to d@@k ride capcom. im really surprised by his oppion because he was so supportive of UMVC DLC. lol i guess thats why he thinks some ppl call him a sellout. anyway he had good points and i agree with him. i dont like DLC and the fact they soldout themselves to sony. but i still think the game is pretty good, it just i dont support sneaky tactics like this. it has its problems online which really needs to be adress because the way i see it, this could end up like third strike when people start dropping sf or people will just forget about the negitive and wil just play the fking game. either way i think both sides are equally just.

#7
Maverickneo said on March 10, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.

Problem #1 that needs to be fixed is the sound issues online.
Period.

#8
WARGROUND_COOK said on March 10, 2012 at 2:16 p.m.

#3&4
WHEN THE TIME COMES THEN WE'LL SEE IF IT WAS TRUE OR NOT ...
CAPCOM SAID EXCLUSIVE CHARACTERS FOR VITA SO ALL DLC TOGETHER SHOULD NOT GO ABOVE 39.99 ...
WHY DO WE HAVE TO DOWNLOAD COLORS AND MEGA-PAC MAN DOWN THE LINE IF THEY HAD SO MUCH TIME THAT THEY CAN PUT 12 CHARACTERS ON A DISC FOR PAYED DLC ... JUST WONDERING

#9
streetfighter_x_tekken said on March 10, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.

I don't have a problem with the game. Surely the sound will be fixed on the Online. Too bad for the 360 users that cannot do co-op, it is not Capcom fault.
Gameplay and mechanics are great I believe.

PS: still, i'd wish the game had unlockable characters by performing certain tasks.

#10
Azuregum said on March 10, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.

This guy has done contract work for Capcom. For all we know, he's doing viral marketing for them right now. Disregard this video.

#11
TwoCoins said on March 10, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.

I dont think Datamining is illegal.

The only thing illegal is the copyright videos with gameplay is technically illegal. The fact that they were showcasing characters on youtube is what brought the heat to them despite everyone else has videos of SFxT online too but they arent datamining characters.

Hacking into a game and unlocking locked content isnt illegal. Hackers got into the locked Hot Coffee content in GTA:SA and Rockstar tried to persecuted and lost. Not sure what the reason was why it wasn't illegal though. But if a mega company like Rockstar cant win then i doubt Capcom could.

#12
Calcifer said on March 10, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.

How to damage control: The video.

Also how the f*ck is datamining something you BOUGHT is illegal? Are you even trying?

If you don't do something about people cutting content and then selling it to you for $20+ later they will keep f*cking you over and worse in the future.

Don't buy it and let your voice be heard

#13
xBMxSage said on March 10, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.
#14
WARGROUND_COOK said on March 10, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.

I REMEMBER PEOPLE HAVING ACCOUNTS BANNED ON YOUTUBE BECAUSE THEY HAD A FEW SECONDS TO A MINUTE OF OGRE AND EVIL RYU FOOTAGE IN ARCADES VIA CELLPHONES AND SH1TTTY CAMCORDERS AND OTHERS FOR SIMPLY HAVING A PHOTO OF THE CHARACTER AS BACKGROUND YET THAT BILL SOPA BILL WAS NOT EVEN TALKED ABOUT YET .....
I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE 12 CHARACTERS FOR DLC ON DISK ALREADY YET TWO COLORS IN EDIT MODE ( BLACK & WHITE )AND I BELIEVE 1 ALTERNATE COLOR , IT SEEMS LIKE ONLY A FEW FREAKING STAGES ( I KNOW STAGES HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS-YAWN ) AND YET THEY HAD ALL THIS TIME TO PUT ALL 12 DLC PLUS ALTERNATE COSTUMES ---- WTF

#15
JacerX said on March 10, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.

@14 - I wouldn't believe anything that jackass says. He's one of the most useless people of Capcom America.

#16
WARGROUND_COOK said on March 10, 2012 at 2:48 p.m.

MAYBE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE ONLINE SOUND - LONG LOADING TIME - XBOX CO-OP - FREAKY ANIMATION FRAME SKIPS PROBLEM WOULD NOT OF HAPPEN IF THEY SPENT LESS TIME ON SO MUCH PAID DLC ( THEY COULD OF DONE A PORTION OF THE 12 EXTRA CHARACTERS LATER ) THAN ON THE INITIAL GAME ...
MW3 FUNNY ENOUGH LOOKED LIKED THEY SPENT MORE TIME ON PAID DLC THAN ON THE GAME FROM THE GET GO ...

ANOTHER PROBLEM ONLINE SEEM TO EXIST WHERE IT SEEMS JUST LIKE OLD MW GAMES WHERE HOST HAD NO LAG REGARDLESS OF CONNECTION BUT YOU TOOK ALL THE LAG IF THAT MAKES SENSE .

#17
Dannymyers said on March 10, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.

im just having a hard time linking crouching shorts even when plinking. i just have to get used to the timing in the game

#18
DoubleShoryukenATK said on March 10, 2012 at 3:07 p.m.

And you guys thought Megaman's 25th anniversary was ruined...

This is indefensible. Hideki Kamiya calls this a scam on his twitter. Capcom has taken down comments on facebook, banned people, and shut down youtube accounts. They are working as though they were ready for this. Its called Damage Control.

Honestly im starting to see Capcom fanboys evolving from mindless drones to people with an acutal brain. Today I can't go anywhere without hearing about this game. Angry Joe, Event Status, and now Maximillian.

This should kill Capcom or set back their money grubbing plans and put them at the mercy of people holding pitchforks and torches. Ono should be begging for forgiveness at this point.

If anyone is willing to look past this and buy the game new, you are unworthy of any respect. Ill even say this to Maximillian if I ever find out he really is a sellout. I haven't lost my respect for him just yet, because he sympathizes with the Megaman fans and takes a lot of time out of his schedule to make ASSIST ME episodes.

Ca$hcom lied about the online co-op, they want people get flared and reignite the debate about Poison, they insulted Megaman with disproportionate portrayal, and mock the fans of Legends 3, at the ending of Street Fighter X Tekken.

The Aris controversy blew up out of control and we got to some fools painted alongside normal people with the same brush. Its not just this guys fault. Street Fighter's anniversary has been ruined for this year, JUST LIKE Megaman's 25th.

Ah i can see it now, Resident Evil 6: Jill Valentine is ironicly an in-game unlockable at mid-story. Chris Redfield and Leon Kennedy will be avilable for $15.00 Day 1. The Final Boss will be locked on disc and multiple rounds of fighting him will be available in the coming months. Oh Scamcom you are true to form ;)

As for the fans, you have two choices SUPPORT THEM, or DONT SUPPORT THEM. If i get this game, it will be pirated or used!! I will not be lectured on how much of a criminal it makes me as long as developers like EA, Square Enix, and Activision will sell me $60 unfinished games, with missing parts piece meal. Its an atrocity and an injustice, and an insult to fans, consumers, and people who make you the company what you are today.

As for Capcom and their submissive fanboys in love with this company, I am left with saying one thing: YOU OUGHT TO BE FRIED FOR YOUR CONDEMNABLE ACTIONS!!!

#19
canistrucido said on March 10, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.

I just don't understand how anyone can be so o.k. with this.

And when did it become illegal to explore the content on the disk? Is this a new law that was slammed through in the "Health Care and everything we can think of" bill? Or is he just talking out is arse?

Whatever, I know I'm never buying this game, and I know a lot of others aren't either. We will let the dollars speak for themselves. (And I don't just mean sales, but cost to sale ratio. Go read a capcom quarterly report)

#20
samuraix025 said on March 10, 2012 at 3:10 p.m.

for the love of all that is sacred please stop saying the vita character were exclusive it is not true and was never stated to be as such

#21
illness690 said on March 10, 2012 at 3:10 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#22
mcfizzle said on March 10, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.

In the end for a company what matters is the bottom line but Capcom has done a piss poor job of maintaining that and keeping up good public relations.

SF4 - Leading up to the game there were plenty of questions about spectator mode and endless lobbies. Capcom intentionally stayed quiet knowing that would cause disappointment and could affect sales. Game gets released and rather than admit it was a decision to scrap due to budget constraints they say "oh its to prevent lag".

SSF4 - The game gets lobbies with essentially the same netcode and a re-release of the game. "We made the netcode lighting fast this time".

MvC3 - Quiet on lobbies again. Game gets released and you get dancing cards. "Oh there's 6 characters on the game. Its to prevent lag."

UMvC3 - Released same year with spectator mode. "We made the netcode lighting fast."

SFxT - No 2v2 co-op for Xbox. "Oh its a problem with Microsoft". Instead of admitting they goofed and by the time they realized it was too late in the development process to correct.

Missing sounds online - "Oh its a problem with your connection to the other player not our lighting fast netcode"

Its obvious the brass at Capcom is all about the bottom line and single release games don't cut it. If Ono can't pitch a game where the development will bring multiple revenue streams through a Super edition or plenty of DLC the project will not get green lit.

The disingenuous explanations are where my problems lie. Its bad enough that you screw the customer on value but you don't have to be dishonest about it. But hey we keep buying the re-releases and Disc Locked Content so in the end screwing the customer is still the right business decision.

P.S - So when is voice chat for PS3 SSF4/SSF4AE endless lobbies going to get fixed or is that a problem with Sony?

#23
WARGROUND_COOK said on March 10, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.

THAT'S Y U HAVE AN ILLNESS

#24
DoubleShoryukenATK said on March 10, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.

I forgot to let you know that its COSTUMES, CHARACTERS, GEMS, STORY ENDINGS, and now COMBO PRESETS have been discovered. All of those are locked inside this Street Fighter X Tekken game.

Its just like Mass Effect 3 and their From The Ashes DLC. The files and programs are all there and people on PSN, and XBLA don't know they are unlocking it.

Don't you f with my DarkStalkers 4 and Morrigan, Capcom. Inafune left you for a good reason, now its time the rest of us jumped on board!

#25
Model_M said on March 10, 2012 at 3:20 p.m.

@19 If I can give you a beer, I'd do so right now.

#26
ShiroiKaze said on March 10, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.

I can absolutely verify the DLC fighters are 100% complete, I have gameplay vids up also with all the dlc costumes- http://www.youtube.com/user/SFxTruth/...

#27
DunnDeal said on March 10, 2012 at 3:27 p.m.

Locking away 12 characters and the costumes on the disk. Then giving us two colors at launch for a customization mode that's not even all that great. If the colors are gonna be 'free' then why not just give them to us now?

#28
Troppop said on March 10, 2012 at 3:27 p.m.

Am I the only one that nod when he started talking about "unjustified" hate?

There is so much of it. I don't really care about the whole DLC business, somewhat of a spoiler in my opinion, kinda sucks and ruins it for everyone. But the whole "unjustified" hate and rage pouring down on this game, it's ridiculous.
No matter how many times you ask you will never get a reason out of the ones complaining.

Apart from the technical issues, the one and only reason I've read about why it is so "bad" so far, and this is hilarious, is that it supposedly has "The worst part" of SF4 in it combined with the "The worst part" of MvC3 in it.
The "Worst" part of SF4 is the turtling, and you sure as hell can't say that this is a turtle-based game.
The "Worst" part of MvC3 is supposedly the Xfactor... Yeah, I hate how Pandora is abused in this game.

I may write or sound like a fanboy defending this game, but I enjoy it alot and find it to be a very good game. And unless someone can give VALID reasons to why it's not, I will continue to rain praise over this game.

#29
RA_MO said on March 10, 2012 at 3:29 p.m.

It is better to kill off the beast with a clean conscious than to kill them off knowing you are just as much of a beast as they are...

My... What chaos 2012 has brought... Not just in the fighting game community... But all over the world...

No heart from me today....

Well.....

Maybe just one.....

<3

There. I feel a bit better now :)

#30
DoubleShoryukenATK said on March 10, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.

@Troppop

look at my comment at #19

#31
Getdownbrown83 said on March 10, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.

I got 60 dollars worth of game the budget was probably higher to even create the characters no DLC loot no 12 characters bet. I ain't got no problem with it or we could get the stand alone game and not get the 12 characters.

#32
the_truth said on March 10, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.

like #28 said the colors are on the disc & Capcom won't be charging us for them, so WTF are we waiting for ???????????

#33
LuckyFighter said on March 10, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.

@33

Possibility of making sure the customers or color doesn't cause glitch. I'm not really sure, but we are going to found later.

#34
LuckyFighter said on March 10, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.

*costumes

#35
Calcifer said on March 10, 2012 at 3:56 p.m.

@29

How is it unjustified? How is cutting content AND features to sell it to you later for $20 acceptable?

Do you like getting scammed? Are you borderline retarded?

#36
CriticalBlow said on March 10, 2012 at 3:58 p.m.

@ #29

I'm one of the ones complaining. Here's why:

Couch Co-op has been getting advertised for much of the development of this game, XBox 360 players aren't getting it.

XBox360 users have sound issues with online, are being told that they must now choose between having good sound or having a good connection.

The DLC issues and PS3 exclusives pale in comparison to the above. Virtually half the target audience for this game were ripped off. Capcom hasn't made an official announcement about the problem, nor issued an apology, or recall for the items that they are FALSELY ADVERTISING. And from the way many comments about this game are going, they aren't going to have to: the FGC is eating this up, raining praise on a game that, for 50% of its market, is incomplete.

Flat out, I dislike this game, I dislike how these issues are being handled, I dislike Capcom as a company. However, given the praise that this game is getting, at this point it is clear that they're only doing what they know they can get away with. Rest assured that if Capcom doesn't get smacked on the nose hard for this, this isn't going to be the last majorly gimped release we hear about from them.

@ #19, 20

Amen.

#37
CriticalBlow said on March 10, 2012 at 4:08 p.m.

Also, let me point out that it's amazing how quickly this argument has gone back to on disk DLC. Reason being that there is precedent for paying extra for accessing stuff that is already physically or virtually in your possession. Anyone here get cable or dish? You always get the whole signal, regardless, you just pay the company to configure the box to give you the channels you want. Buy a car with optional power accessories? Generally, the motors and such for these power additions are already in the vehicle, you just pay for someone to connect the proper switches and such before actually giving you the car.

People don't get it: you think Capcom cares about your views on DLC? Capcom WANTS you to fight them on DLC, because they know they can beat you on it. Just like a politician, make a non-issue a major issue, and sweep a major issue under the rug and convince you that the non-issue is the only thing worth doing anything about.

I hate this game for so many reasons.

#38
StellarSTLR said on March 10, 2012 at 4:10 p.m.

Props to Max for not being quiet on these subjects.

#39
thebluebomber said on March 10, 2012 at 4:11 p.m.

This is another game I'm skipping based from capcom's greedy business practice and false advertisement about online co-op...I'm not going to support a company who screws their fans...I learned my lesson when capcom jipped me and Friends with marvel vs capcom 3..It isn't right that capcom is going to charge us for disc locked content...I could care less if street fighter x tekken is a good fighting game, I wont buy it because it will encourage capcom that like paying for content on the disc

#40
maxs2d2ace said on March 10, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.

#28 and 33

because probably they wont give us all the colors for free. think bout it for a second, where the colors in third strike free? if i had to guess, i say they will probably release 10 colors for free and make the rest paid dlc(i will assassinate a capcom rep if true). i mean did you see the cool glowing effects and plastic shine colors yet? i dont think capcom will give us those for free do you?

#41
OSM said on March 10, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.

Great video, I still haven't had a chance to play SFxT for myself and the DLC issue definitely turned me off from purchasing the game for awhile. I'll pick the game up one of these days, maybe during Spring Break and hopefully enjoy it.

I do agree with the issue of the community blindly hating on a lot of things. Capcom definitely isn't innocent, they have done some pretty stupid things, but the negativity is really starting to dampen my overall appreciation and enthusiasm for this community as a whole.

We all just need to go back and enjoy the games for the love of the fight, agree on issues that are clearly a problem and hope for strong resolutions to them instead of trying to dig early graves for a lot of games.

#42
vega4liv said on March 10, 2012 at 4:36 p.m.

i am so happy capcom is doin this!!! they just ass rapped all you idiots who have been d*&k ridding this game since day one!! first the roster is complete crap....the game it self is boring....and the gems!! jesus!!! take that and sit on it casual players!!! enjoy paying for your "dlc" thats already in the game!!!! bunch of idiots!!

#43
icejohn said on March 10, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.

wow even max is upset about this? you know capcom has eff up.

#44
Getdownbrown83 said on March 10, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.

You wouldn't get the extra content you would get roster as is 60 dollars anyway DLC is the reason you are getting all this if you don't support Capcom quit playing their gamessimple solution

#45
Jedda678 said on March 10, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.

Ultimate MvC3 X is FAKE there are no plans for new DLC even if they were do you think capcom would talk about it? Answer: Hell no.

SFxT haters: Honestly just play the damn game, Max isn't a sell out, he has your same concerns. He only works with capcom because he has such a good understanding of the community as a whole and is well respected, he is basically our "News Anchor" for the fighting game community. But he isn't being so blinded by hate towards the DLC controversy that it is preventing him from enjoying the game. I bet, 50% of you haven't been with Capcom since the good ol' days of Super Turbo. Remember them? A new version of the game just about every year the way I recall it. But lets just address the issues that need addressing. #1 the online issues with sound lag and local play with xbox 360.

#46
Protoman said on March 10, 2012 at 5:07 p.m.

I honestly really enjoy this game, and agree with most - if not all the points Max made. My only problem is the online, granted I have an average internet connection but I've never really had lag on both umvc3 or SSF4. Now with SFxT, I have lag for the intro scenes, sound lag, and sometimes input delay. I'm looking into improving my connection just to avoid these issues but it's really odd.

Besides that, I don't understand the hate.

#47
RA_MO said on March 10, 2012 at 5:28 p.m.

I think just to end most of all of this pointless back and forward arguing..

Make the twelve characters and costumes free...

Charge the hell out of the additional colors.

Happy Tacos everywhere <3

#48
warriors said on March 10, 2012 at 5:57 p.m.

so people who dont like what capcom (which we all agree was lame) and wont buy the game because of it... are haters , all of them are haters!!

how low can capcom go to defend itself?

#49
warriors said on March 10, 2012 at 5:58 p.m.

* what capcom did

#50
alexlexus said on March 10, 2012 at 5:59 p.m.

the video was dead on. i hate what capcom has done but i love the game. i hate being in this limbo since i already bought 3 copies for the game to host tournaments. the online is a big deal and the DLC is a big deal too.

#51
e3vl said on March 10, 2012 at 6:24 p.m.

For those who bought it, you know we have the Super Street Fighter x Tekken already right? We just have to pay to unlock it...

#52
SubhumanX said on March 10, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.

The only complaint I have is the ONLINE SOUND which i'm sure can be fixed easily.. IDK why people complain about DLC when it's in EVERY game these days. Buy it or DON'T buy it. That simple.

#53
EvilRick said on March 10, 2012 at 8:11 p.m.

Angry Joe and Maximilian pretty much nailed it, hope Capcom hears these two guys.

#54
JIHADJOE said on March 10, 2012 at 8:23 p.m.

@20

It's been illegal ever since your legislators passed the DMCA. Now if a company puts locked content on your computer you're not even allowed to hack into your own machine.

#55
illness690 said on March 10, 2012 at 8:43 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#56
DoubleShoryukenATK said on March 10, 2012 at 8:55 p.m.

If people will buy this game, GET IT USED, or PIRATE IT. Dont give this a chance by giving them your money. Its not even a complete game to play. Spend less FOR less, not LESS for MORE!

#57
DumbDLC said on March 10, 2012 at 9:37 p.m.

Wow, I think he missed the whole point, its not the fact that we cant play as those characters now its the fact that we will have to pay for them. Sadly Max sounds more and more like a sellout, he didnt say anything negative about the DLC he just said that he is sad that you cant use the characters now and blames the vita for the reason for the fact that they are DLC. Sorry man but Max is sold out.

#58
essandemm said on March 10, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.

The old days of releasing revisions of fighting games every year happened during a pretty significant economic boom. People had disposable income to throw away on new games. Also the games didn't have an online option, so when new ones came out you didn't feel left in the dust when everyone else jumped to the new revision.

Nowadays, we are living in a "Global Financial Crisis". People don't have money to dump on a game that is pretty much the same as its predecessor. Especially not less than a year later. I have still not picked up UMVC3. Probably never will.

I guess, long story short(er), I was on the fence about SFXT when it was coming out. Frankly, I didn't like the way the game LOOKED. Too shiny, like the characters were wrapped in cellophane (as well as some style issues with the HUD). Now that I KNOW the game will be re-released in less than a year there's no way I'm going to buy it. I don't think it makes sense for the gamer today to buy a game when they know it's going to be obsolete in less than a year.

Lottsa text, probably no one will read... but had to throw my opinion out there, as this does piss me off. (And sorry for the ecksbox players out there. That sucks.)

#59
spman2099 said on March 10, 2012 at 10:20 p.m.

What Max fails to realize is that the majority of the FGC, the part that doesn't attend tournaments, is fairly stupid. Like, most of them will parrot off the same crap over and over again, they are regularly shown to be ignorant and they have serious issues with maturity.

We are a community of rejects and losers; of course we are going to overreact and act unfairly. Of course we are going to be unreasonable and act like children; we are children, just children with adult bodies. We don't respect anything because we don't understand the principles of respect; we don't it deserve and we don't give it out. We are a blight on society.

Get HYPE!

#60
shano said on March 10, 2012 at 10:31 p.m.

This game is a big disappointment for me the sound bug is ridiculous, netcode has tons of frame skipping & drops a lot of my inputs, no local coop online play for xbox & a sh!tload of dlc locked characters already on the disc.

I don't mean to hate on the game i just want the sound bug fixed and the netcode improved. :/

#61
DumbDLC said on March 10, 2012 at 10:42 p.m.

Sorry Max but you sounded like a sell out in this one, people arent mad that they dont get to use the characters now its know that they have to pay for them and I notice you kinda dodged that. Your opinion just sounds like it has been paid for by the perks capcom gives you. Im not impressed with this game, its not hard to get into but I am just sick of capcom milky me for money which is why I will pass on it.

#62
IveSeenPoisonsVagina said on March 11, 2012 at 12:51 a.m.

Check out what angry joe has to say about this .
he has valid points on this one.

http://angryjoeshow.com/2012/03/wtf-s...

#63
CasualFighter said on March 11, 2012 at 12:52 a.m.

To the posters above claiming that decrypting encrypted content in a video game is not illegal, I can assure you that, in some cases, you are decidedly incorrect.

If you'd like to understand more, read the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (in case you're wondering, I'm an IP attorney, and I know what I'm talking about). Depending on one's intentions in decrypting (or "unlocking" in this case), the act can be 100% ILLegal. It comes down to the person's intentions in decrypting. If one is decrypting simply to understand the underlying technology, then it's legal. If, however, one intends through decrypting to misappropriate the intellectual property of the company whose technology they are decrypting (or the intellectual property of a related company), then it is absolutely illegal. Say, for example, I were to decrypt iTunes purchasing algorithms to acquire free music, not only would my theft be illegal, but the act of decrypting Apple's technology would also be illegal. In this case, decrypting the the SFxTK disk to acquire separately purchasable content, the act could be considered illegal, depending on how a judge views the locked content. It might be ruled to be part of the original purchase of the game, in which case it would not be illegal. I suspect that this was the basis of the GTA decision, though I've never read it. However, even in the case at hand, if a hacker were to try to profiteer off of decrypting the game, the act of decrypting would be illegal, irrespective of the GTA decision.

Hope this makes sense ...

#64
Troppop said on March 11, 2012 at 1:24 a.m.

@36
I'm talking about the game, not their marketing or their obvious upcoming fixes, I'm talking about the game itself.
If you are to get pissed at someone atleast read and understand the content you write about.

@37
Thank you, finally someone giving a valid reason. Altough I don't agree to that marketing schemes should drag down how good a game is, since the 2 points are irrelevant to each other.
There is still alot of content on the game, even without all these DLCs. Most of it just sounds like the SSF4 greed all over. "Give us this guve us that", and when it's all done about 10% of the game is being used.

The sound is a HUGE issue, but I'm more then certain that it will be fixed sometime soon.

#65
DoubleShoryukenATK said on March 11, 2012 at 1:52 a.m.

@65

the problem with your logic is that if theres nothing really wrong with the gameplay that makes everything ok.

What you don't understand is that everytime there is stupidness going around like the Online passes, theres a bit of an evolving pattern.

Look at Final Fantasy 13-2. A game with the ending intending to come to us as DLC. The MAIN ending TO THE STORY is being sold as DLC. Will SOME people be stupid enough to buy it? Yes. Will more people be smart enough to buy the DLC to show it so that other's dont have to? YES!

The example with this game is that if one company completely makes an outrageous move and idiots overwhelmingly give them profit, other corporations follow suit. Other companies watch each other.

Take the online pass for example. Mortal Kombat 9 started doing this when the passes were plenty unheard of, then a SOCOM title started doing this, then Resistance 3 attempted this, than Arkham City began it, than everyone else like Naughty do with the Uncharted series jumped on board. People like those greedy worms started putting out reasons as to why they have adopted this practice when they've been afraid to admit they want more money. One of the speakers at Naughty came out and attempted to use the "server costs" as excuse when clearly that wasn't the case with Uncharted 1 and 2. I don't buy their excuses for a second. Those are the REAL self entitled pricks you're talking about

Companies like Ubisoft use DRM to punish legit players for what other people do. Companies have taken after them. At least in this regard PC users fight back sometimes and they make the companies hurt. I feel insulted by console gamers sometimes when they refuse to stand up for themselves or one of their own. At times other companies adopt DRM but in the case of Capcom fanboys, not many of them fight back. They accept when games like Final Fight Double Impact or Bionic Commando have Digital Rights Management so that they can assume control over someone else's product.

The only way I'll know Maximillian grew a pair is if he puts the hacked characters as footage on his youtube channel. Angry Joe did it, Event Status did it, hell I DID IT. Im not scared of Capcom. If they take down my stuff and I decide to go to California, I'll pay Killian and Svennson a little visit to EVO2012.

The bottom line to this is that wanting things within what you own is not a sign of greed. Its fair trade. If i gave someone at Capcom a car, they should have access to everything in it, fair and simple.

If you really disagree with me, than why did Inafune leave Capcom? Why did Hideki Kamiya (the original director of Devil May Cry as well as the creator of Dante) speak out about this?

FIGHT BACK, not just Capcom but other companies. I bought UMVC3 USED and I want to be in the competitve scene. Unlike you I KNOW how to stick to my guns. Speak out you guys otherwise your a drone that allows a company to speak on behalf of you!

#66
Calcifer said on March 11, 2012 at 3:22 a.m.

@64

Ho-ho-ho there mr. attorney who knows what he is talking about.

The object which is datamined is a disc. On this disc is a game you bought which has content (direct part of the game) that are locked just so you can't access them.

Now, by datamining this, one gains/takes away no technology, no economical profit, no violation of copyright/use, nothing illegal.

Basically all you do is unlock the content of a game that you OWN. Is there a "user may not unlock content that are part of the game which is solely there to be unlocked later by the company for a certain amount of price (read: we will sell you an incomplete game and then charge you even more to unlock stuff that is already in there-the disc you own-)" line on the TOU that I missed about? No.

#67
ibLeo said on March 11, 2012 at 4:43 a.m.

Hmmm. So the reason the characters are locked is because Sony paid them for temporary exclusivity? Interesting. I guess getting them later is better than never getting them at all.

Maybe Sony saw how much SFSF43D carried the 3DS at release and decided they needed the same amount of help for the Vita.

#68
CasualFighter said on March 11, 2012 at 4:45 a.m.

@68

You completely ignored my entire explanation. I'm not arguing that decrypting the disc to find the content is per se illegal; I'm simply saying that in some circumstances it would be. Whether it is in this case, I can't be sure. I don't know the case law surrounding the deliberate exposing of locked content in software. However, the legal standard, as promulgated in the DMCA, is what it is. Further, I can assure you that your meaningless drivel posted above does not constitute 3 years of a legal education and 7 years practicing IP law. Until you have these credentials, your snarky little responses will elicit nothing more than a chuckle on my part.

#69
Troppop said on March 11, 2012 at 5:23 a.m.

@66
I still don't find the 2 issues relevant.
Their way of marketing and the actual gameplay. I disapprove ALOT of the dlc in general for alot of other games, but atleast for me, I've never suffered from it in form of reduced game value.
It would have been a whole other story if it was in the game and THEN removed and turned into a DLC.
But in this case it hasn't even been implemented yet, and not even meant to be shown yet.
If I'm not mistaken, this is their way of making it simplier and cheaper (From their side, obviously) rather then making a whole new disc and going "Super Ultra Mega Deluxe Arcade Edition" etc.

I don't give a crap about the whole "Fight the power", as in, their marketing schemes makes the game worse in whole.
Which is what most comments here are about.

#70
Calcifer said on March 11, 2012 at 8:07 a.m.

@73

Hahaha, thanks for taking your precious time responding to a mere citizen without 3 years of legal study and 7 years of IP law practice, mr. attorney

You were implying there is a chance of datamining this disc is illegal so I spoke on that implication. While I've read your whole post you seem to have taken offense on some of my words and ignored the rest to belittle me with your might on your post, which is ironic considering your first sentence, but I was asking:

Is it illegal when there is no intention of stealing/misuse of technology nor economical profit on datamining a software which you completely own? Do I need 10 years of study for this one?

#71
DoubleShoryukenATK said on March 11, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.

@74

The characters are completed and you want to pay Capcom your money once for getting the disc and another for unlocking it. You must the dumbest most gullible consumer around.

You actually believe that you won't be seeing a Super edition just because Capcom told you so? Look at it this way, the statement they put out was left there as bait. They know people want to hear that especially from the officials themselves but thats playing on too much bait. They said that because they have trained for it. They know the public doesn't like these practices and have tried several beating around the bush explanations at an attempt to calm them down.

They lie in the way people lie. They just lose their composure and speak in gibberish as though no one will mind what they say, whether it be a juvenille, a felon, or a company like ScamCom.

Face it, this is as irresponsible as when UMVC3 came out. Excuses started pouring from around Nitsuma one being that MVC3 upgrades were too much data to recieve, the other one was the Tsunami, and then in general Japan hates DLC.

Now with this game we get a halfassed explanation about compatibility issues which are BS and irrelvant to DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT. Its supposed to be downloadable, not disc locked with a code on PSN and XBLA.

I'm going with logic and common sense. This is why Capcom fanboys and people who don't understand what they are getting themselves into carry such an even worse rep from the Sonic fanbase. Its like trying to break down a subject and simplifiying an explanation to you. In this case, you just can't get it!

#72
Troppop said on March 11, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.

@76
I've never said that I spend anything on the DLCs that are released.
You just assume that I do, and that most people do because "they have to otherwise the game is unplayable".
It's just extra content.
Just look at SSF4:AE, the ridiculous amount of whine about the "lack" of updates and new characters implemented.

How many characters do you see being used? 4-5?

Same with MvC3, How many different characters do you see being used? 5-6?
People complain and whine about wanting variety and more content, but once it's there it's not even used.

So what's the point in complaining about the "lack" of content that's available now? There is still ALOT of content in there as it is.
If the price is reasonable I might buy it, yes.
But if I think it's to expensive for ME, do note "ME", I will just ignore it, simple as that.

But it is interesting though, that you still quote me and try to hammer something into my mind about their marketing schemes that I'm fully aware of and really don't care about.
While I'm only talking about the fact that people downgrade the GAME, yes, the GAME, because of their marketing.
And that is what is truly retarded.

#73
Smorgasboard said on March 11, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.

Calling some a tool because they on a payroll doesn't argue their points at all, add nothing of worth to the topic and makes you look like a troll.

The data itself has no legal significance. However,Capcom owns the IP rights to the 12 locked characters and unless you pay for them, it is illegal to play with them as you haven't gotten permission to use them yet.

#74
Igydigital said on March 11, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.

The Game is amazing. FUn! instead of FADC you switch cancel. Flashy..cool, awesome. I got my ass handed too buy some guys that already know the system well, but I comming from a tekken background I was amazed to have seen Ono still use soooo many tekken elements, which IMO I think is the perfect balance. Tekken characters almost completely play like in Tekken due to chains and jugles. The online right now is trash, sound goes out, I can't hit confirm, and it feels like glitchy instead of lag. Like Sagat appears then there is like a framerate judder and he apperars a few frames later and disappears. this netcode is bad. They need to fix this because it's not like everyone is a tournmanet player, if online sucks, the game will die. All that had work to bring begginers into the community with tutorials, gems, and quick combos will be in vain because this is the WORST online expereince. It feels like I am playing a playstation 2 game online. I can't see how they couldn't test this. This issue happened in Tekken 6 when it first came out, and they gave it a bad review in Gameinformer for it. A few weeks later, a patch came out, and the game was virtually lag free. I really hope Capcom does not wait 4 months to do this becuase I just wont care anymore. Just like Marvel. No spectator mode, it just wasn't worth the sacrafice to learn all those moves to then wait a year to give me the online expereince I wanted..too late, let JOB and PR balrog win their tournies, I'll play modern warefare 3 because it's fun, addictive, and I can just pick up and play. So I really want SF X Tekken to do well as it has everything I could want in a fighting game, but I will really loose interest if this online issue continues.

#75
baiken said on March 11, 2012 at 11:19 a.m.

Im just going to say Skullgirls

#76
Gasket2099 said on March 11, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.

I absolutely love this game. I love the character choices, the move sets, and the all around feel of the game. It is just a really fun game. The cons to the game are the obvious issues talked about in the video and all a "X" the forums.

#77
alexlexus said on March 11, 2012 at 1:22 p.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI1fAe...

The game is a good game. lets not let the capcom BS cloud that.

capcom made it
really hard to focus on the game.

the co op thing is bullcrap: this is why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-N-uW...

this is proof that xbl can tak guest online.

#78
ubervillain said on March 11, 2012 at 2:54 p.m.

Maybe it could be that the "DLC" characters didn't get enough QA time before release or capcom has a timed release strategy in place for product marketing. Don't judge Capcom yet. The guys people should really hate on are the DLC hackers/miners.

As for the online co-op issue, I'll tell you guys this, I've shipped titles on both platforms and profile logins are a requirement by Microsoft. Other games that bypass it, get special permission from Microsoft. Capcom probably didn't get any. Guess why... (PS3 exclusivity?)

#79
FinalBoutFranchise said on March 11, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.

Well I got the game & it is ok, not the best but good. Pretty easy to play. Love the Tekken fighters tho. Like everyone else the online problem could be its downfall if they don't fix it. But a person like me, I not really into fighting online. I'm a lil bit ol skool, I like 2 have fight parties, invite friends over w/ food & drinks, play the game & have a good time. As for the DLC, that's really screwed up what Capcom is doing. Capcom is getting a lot of bad press here. Characters that are on the disc but we can't use them....not cool, Capcom. Well when I'm done w/ my franchise, if I have a choice of what company would make my game IT DEFINELY WON'T BE CAPCOM!!!!!!!

#80
WinstonChurchill said on March 11, 2012 at 5:13 p.m.

So much hate, not enough love :(

#81
DoubleShoryukenATK said on March 11, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.

Its legal to hack into the discs they own. When it happened for the Hot Coffee mod in GTA, a judge ruled on the side of the hacker since he legally purchase it. Capcom is filing illegal copyright claims and taking down content that people are well within the law to upload.

#82
AndreTomazini said on March 11, 2012 at 5:37 p.m.

You DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE RAGE? Please, CAPCOM treats the game comunity like trash. Releasing several versiosn s of a game is not a act of goog behavior; its a statement that they release broken games and try to suck every coin of theis fans. If wanna do another varsion of the same varsiopn, give it for free. Let's awser to capcom: DONT BUY THE SXT DOWNLOAD CHARS AND BLOCK ANYONE WHO DOES. Let show capcom we have a voice.

#83
DunnDeal said on March 11, 2012 at 6:11 p.m.

@86
As good as that may sound, no one will stop themselves from buying the DLC although they are mad at Capcom.

#84
XxRagingxDemonxX said on March 11, 2012 at 6:28 p.m.

DoubleShoryukenATK
I agree with you on the part that games now come out partly finished. With things like on-disk characters and stuff like that, I'm really starting to hate how game companies are like every other company. They sell you bad products, not finished, or not as good as before products, for the same price; then when the new thing comes out its the same thing. SF always sold many copies of the same game. Why does it take them 3 copies of the same game and quality but other games don't need that.

Its not like the next SF copy is a complete upgrade and is amazing, no, its just something more with Character nerfing and is still incomplete. even AE needed adjustment. SF is horrible at balancing games for some reason, and their alternative isn't the best option and they know it.

Now they give the certain characters moves that complement everything and other characters you get taken back a couple of steps and you have to adjust and try to become 10x better b/c they nerfed your main character.

Instead of nerfing, Why not give characters a way around it?? Give us something that shows that Ryu fights alot and trains alot, just like his daddy lol. I highly doubt Ryu just does the same thing over and over each year. Guile has the same two moves in every game, give him another sound breaking move, He is in the damn military, they train a lot! Akuma gets a new move in every street fighter game, but each new game, he has less and less available moves to use. Till the point he only has two versions of Raging Demon to use. Is he that good that you can't give him his moves that he cannot use the moves he trains to master??

#85
MugenLord said on March 11, 2012 at 8:44 p.m.

Playing video games is for fun, rather if its a fighter, shooter, action, or whatever. Back in the day when DLC wasn't anywhere to be found on consoles, everyone didnt seem to care about the different versions of street fighter that capcom was putting out because the game was fun and they enjoyed it so they were willing to invest their money in the next installment. I don't see how this game isn't worth the $60 price tag just because the lack of 12 DLC characters. How is this game incomplete? despite some of the issues for XBOX and Online, this game has everything to offer, for starters this game has a replay channel, lobbies, SPECTATOR MODE, Gems, 4 player Co-op(Scramble mode) Pair Play (2vs2) , Character Color Edit, and an ONLINE TRAINING MODE! So I guess since the other 12 characters arent available this game is incomplete right?

I love this game, this game is fun to me and I will invest time and money into this game. The purpose to adding DLC is to expand an already existing game to increase its fun factor and its value of play after purchase and yes I know the DLC is on the disk so what, since I like the game and want to invest more into my entertainment so I will purchase the characters. If these characters or other Content werent on the disk and they announced these playable characters I would still purchase them anyway and to me it seems like it still produce the same results. I dont care that I have to wait till the fall to get my hands on the new DLC because Im enjoying the game for what it is already so anything else added is just a bonus for me.

#86
GhostlyIguana said on March 12, 2012 at 12:18 a.m.

I love the this game. I agree with Max about how the so called fighting game community is overreacting to the on disc content. It's no worse than what other video game developers do. The only thing I want Capcom to fix is the sound issue. And if fixing the sound is going to cause lag, it's not worth fixing.

#87
WARGROUND_COOK said on March 14, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.

BLACKMAN ? IN THE HOOD ?

AM I EVEN IN AMERICA

#88
WARGROUND_COOK said on March 14, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
#89


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