Team Evil Geniuses CoolGrayAJ did an interview with both Mine and X-Ray two of NorCal's best Marvel vs. Capcom 3 players. They discuss various topics such as their first public appearance in a tournament to the subject of Wesker being overpowered.CoolGrayAJ: On the flip side of that, why play Wesker on point? It made sense in vanilla MvC3 with MINE’s team, because he had Phoenix as an anchor. This is UMvC3 now, though, so talk to me about him on point this time around.
MINE: Oh, that’s because I have the best Wesker in the world! [laughs] In all seriousness, I think Wesker/Magneto is the best combination in the game, for the reasons X-RAY just said – even better than Wolverine/Akuma in vanilla. Justin can have BFFs in Wolverine/Akuma, but I’m claiming BFEs “Best Friends for Eternity!” that’s what Wesker/Magneto is. The reason I put Wesker on point is because I don’t think Wesker has any bad matchups in the game. He has the best mobility, and the Magneto beam just makes him even better.
CoolGrayAJ: There’s a lot of talk about patches and nerfing Wesker because of how overpowered he is perceived to be. fLoE has said before that even though he uses Wesker, he still thinks he needs a nerf. Do you guys feel the same?
X-RAY: Honestly, I don’t think he’s OP – I don’t even play him anymore. He does tend to be a little random at level 3 X-Factor, but you can really say the same about any character. In the proper hands, Super Skrull can be as random as Wesker, and just as devastating.
MINE: I definitely agree. My only opinion about people crying about a Wesker nerf is if Capcom does decide to nerf him, what next? There’s always going to be a top character, so just deal with it. Accept that Wesker is the way he is, or accept a never-ending nerfing cycle. He’s a good character, no doubt, but this is a game about team synergy. You can’t just throw Wesker in the mix and expect a good team – he’s good, but not that good.
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I think wesker does work on every team...wtf he's an all rounder type character.... his otg assist...enough said.... weird they would say that
Mine's answerto Wesker..."deal with it"
Just like we have to "deal with" that BS answer u just gave.
Everyone's pretty much summed it up. It feels like he just trying to defend his top tier team. At least floe admits he's too damn good to pass up.
I think trish beats wesker,i think a new technology MODOK can beat wesker pretty badly....
I think you can say a few characters in this game have no bad matchups, or even many do...but i think dormammu does too much damage and shouldn't be able to toss multiple stalking flares out on screen when they have like 100 high priority durability points. Atleast take that priority down to 50, and wouldn't mind a lower damage setting in general for the game.
I play doom, and i think the ground bounce on his S could use some adjustment...he really doesn't need it, it just makes him more scrubby. I think amaterasu could REALLY use her airdash block back, it's sad.
Zero is actually abit dumb, but it's a pretty well balanced game. Updated MODOK technology is gonna piss sooooo many people off
If a balance patch does come out (although I doubt one will), Wesker should be nerfed. It would be wrong to be done as a "nerf Wesker patch" rather than part of a broader set of balance changes though.
But to be perfectly honest though, there are major problems with this game at it's core so it's probably more trouble than it's worth anyway. I was optimistic that these problems would be addressed in Ultimate, but instead I was ULTIMATELY disappointed.
By this time next year, no one will be seriously playing this game.
#13
Just because you lose a lot doesn't mean that everyone else will drop Ultimate.
The only way UMVC3 will be dropped at tourneys is if MVC4 is announced. Other than that, hold the salt.
@ 13 Even if this game frustrates me sometimes, It' s still extremely fun and I'll keep playing it. It was a major improvement on Vanilla imo
Trish beats Wesker no doubt. A good Dante can make huge problems for him too. Sometimes Vergil, but idk. People say it all the time "If you control that upper corner Wesker can't get into, then he can't get any momentum". I'm probably gonna get called out soon, but Zero really is becoming the problem. 1 to 2 meter kill with an invincible crossover assist, with decent assists one meter over one million, AMAZING normals, buster makes him have great option selects, the buster has superb durability, with the buster soungenmu and hadangeki he has a pretty solid lame game, build nutty meter, and thanks to raikousen being insane with the buster he has mixups that the user can barely make sense of. Oh but he has low health and takes some skill to use, so let's just pretend he isn't great lol. Welcome to Marvel Seth.
"No bad match ups" I'm sorry but that's a hint that HE MAY BE OVERPOWERED!
I could understand if it was straight 5/5s across the board but no he bodies some cast members, and while Trish might be a weakness that's still a little over powered when out of a cast of nearly 50 only one character is considered a noticeably bad match up.
No bad matchups doesn't mean overpowered. If the game had nothing but 5-5, no character would have bad matchups either. When a character had good matchup against over half the cast, then that's the real OP.
Trish? Are you serious?
Trish can't beat a good Wesker, barely a bad one, Modok cant even beat a good Arthur, let alone Wesker pr Doom. Okay she has traps, tats her only thing that'll stop wesker from doing what? getting into close range?
her dive kicks can be punished at any point of the screen with Wesker, he can dismiss those traps with gun then go immediately to Super.
Now his problems are Zero, Doom, Hawkeye, Spencer, Nova, and Dante. All the characters to stuff out most of Weskers moves,all have good options to shut down his teleport game, and have a strong anti air game
Oh Internetland, always the ungrateful.
MINE and X-RAY are completely right in their assessment of Wesker. As a Wesker main, I agree with X-Ray and Floe in that he can do with a nerf, but to say he is "good but not that good" is probably the best way of describing Wesker.
There are much more vicious characters to be salty about (Wolvy, Spencer, Doom, etc).
Wesker just needs to lose the glasses buff and have 900,000 health like a normal character.
If you think you NEED above average health with Wesker to win, then you're a bad player.
@ 22 Figures another Wesker main would say that. Good but no t that good. lol. You can say that about Wolv (who I cant believe you used as an example) Wolvierine is good, but has a definite weakness. Thanks to the B Slash nerf he can be zoned out now. Whats wesker's weakness? Ppl hiding in the top corner? Please.
* Used as an example of a character worse than wesker* Vanilla Wolv, yea. Ultimate no sir.
Amazing, has nerfs that actually make him worse and everyone perception of him being OP is there people cry. Keep crying. With all the complaining people do how scrubby the game supposed to be all I ever see is people saying "I don't want to bother learning how to deal with a GOOD character. NERF HIM!"
The reason I hold ZERO value in what scrubs say is because these same mutants cried to high heaven how BROKEN Sentinal was and how stupid he was at lvl 3. They nerfed his health, JUST his health and it was enough to shut everyone up. HE STILL DID THE SAME FLIPPiN' DMG!!! Then the focus switched to Phoniex. Whatever stop playing the game, really go trade it in.
He's not overpowered. He has plenty of matchups that are either not in his favor or are close.
My prediction: In 6 months, as players and technology advance, Wesker won't even be top 3, IMO. I'm not even sure he's top 3 now. Zero and Spencer have 2 spots and Wesker, Viper, and Doom all have reasons why they can be in there.
@ 28 name these matchups. I'll give you Trish and perhaps Zero. Who else? Btw just for the record I agree Zero and Spencer are two of the top three. I think Wesker is 3rd Doom 4th and then Viper/ Wolvie/Mags/ Dorm and etc.
@ 27 If a character does high damage they generally dont have high health. Giving Sent the best assist, the best damage output, and the highest health was too much. Idk if you remember but pretty much every damn team had Sent minus justin and combo in the beginning. Im glad it was nerfed. Not because I'm a "scrub" but because its boring as hell everyone playing the same damn character. Yet another reason ppl hate wesker as well.
"Good, but not that good."
Wesker is top-tier, no matter how you look at it. He's the only one that has a passive buff that can last practically forever. He also has the fastest OTG in the game and no Mine, XF Lvl 3 Wesker is not the same as any other character. He gets stacked bonuses from his glasses buff, essentially making his XF Lvl 4. I'll admit Wesker's not over-powered since you can hit him out of several moves and he has slightly above-average health. I say the last nerf he needs is the removal of the glasses buff. It's ridiculous.
@27 On the contrary, there are several ways to deal with Wesker. One way is to snap him in if he's the anchor and get rid of him before he can use XF Lvl 3. Oh yeah, Sentinel still does the same damage. Wesker essentially got the same health nerf, but he does more damage now. Tell me if that makes any sense.
"no bad matchup" but he's not OP? That was BS from a Wesker player, obviously no one expected MINE to reveal his lame strategy right? He became incredibly good with an OP character, and there's no shame about it since that's the sh1tty game Capcom made for us, but if we all want a better game, just nerf Wesker and let the real fun begin.
There's too many ways to nerf him, his speed, health, damage output, the god damn glasses buff... I would just go for the damage output, otherwise Wesker wouldn't be Wesker... Or remove that crazy OTG move...
It's just too easy to win with Wesker, it's not funny. True story.
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XF 3 Wesker had More Speed and Damage in Vanilla then in Ultimate So that XF 4 thing is silly. And honestly some characters in XF 3 are way more worse then Wesker. Super Skrull is just stupid in XF3 with his teleports and command grabs. XF 3 Arthur Is probably worse then wesker if you don't have XF youself, as he can Kill you with just CHIP damage alone. XF 3 Vergil and Nova, Do i need to say more? Also, Sentinel still does more damage then wesker, even with the glasses buff.
"Wesker has no bad match ups, but that doesn't mean he's too good!" - A Wesker player
If you have no bad match ups, it means you have no counters. If you have no counters, it means you're OP as hell. Wesker wins games. He can't solo the enemy team outside of level 3 X-Factor where that's common, but he can do everything. He can rush down. Zone. Be a battery. Be an anchor. Be a point. Be an assist monkey. There's absolutely nothing Wesker can't do and really, there's no reason he shouldn't be on every team unless you're worse with him that you are with other characters, which is hard to believe because Wesker has one of the lowest skill ceilings in the game.
Wesker is on every team because he can do literally anything his team requires and adapt on the fly. That kind of all around play style is nice in theory, but hurts in this genre since people tend to be complacent with their easy to learn, easier to master characters.
Characters that have a 6-4 or better against wesker
Zero
Trish
Firebrand
C.Viper
Dormammu
Dante.... and I'll throw Morrigan in the mix as well
Character that has no bad matchups... pssh, unless your name is Zero Viper or Firebrand you have at least 1 or 2 bad matchups somewhere in this cast
AND as for the real BFE type pairings.... Look no further than Doom Strider and Viper Strider..... seriously, why does Vajra give a hard knockdown....
#28
Spencer isnt top three, in fact, hes far from it.
"Okay she has traps, tats her only thing that'll stop wesker from doing what? getting into close range?
her dive kicks can be punished at any point of the screen with Wesker, he can dismiss those traps with gun then go immediately to Super. "
lolwut. Sorry sir you have never played a good Trish and/or have never played a Trish with Wesker period.
Dismiss the traps with gunshot? The trap is either on the ground, or in the air, at super jump height, right next to her. How are you going to shoot either of those spots?
She superjumps to the top of the screen, puts a trap on the ground to cover her fall (after flight), puts a trap in front of her to keep you from teleporting across to her (not that you could do anything off the teleport anyways), and then shoots stuff all over the screen. She dive kicks down onto the trap, does a safe blockstring if necessary, calls a good assist, then takes to the skies again. Doom can honestly do the same thing. People just don't play lame against Wesker enough.
Maybe "Overpowered" isnt the right word to be used here. But Im not sure which should be used in it's place.
It's not that he has no bad matchups or anything like that. it's the fact that
1) you get tons of reward with little risk with him.
2) Combination of his damage output and ease of combo execution isn't balanced at all.
I think the biggest issue with Wesker is he takes a lot of variety out of the game due to the above mentioned. In tourney play he just makes it stale because people pick him instead of so many overlooked characters in the game.
Not only does it make watching tourneys boring, it stops a lot of new tech with the rest of the cast from being discovered because a lot of the top players who would be the ones pioneering this stuff just dont bother. I think Max said it best though in the fact that being Wesker is so oversaturated right now, people are just going to figure ehim out and exhaust his tech that much quicker. We'll have to wait and see.
Nerfing him though is just going to promote gripes about the "next in line" which would prob be Doom, lol.
Exactly #41!
Good Trishs even leave one or two actions in the air, so when you do the Dive Kick you can cancel it into trap set if Wesker tries to counter with Rhino Charge, then Dive Kick again and punish into combo.
Without the proper assists, Wesker can't do a thing against people who control the area below their feet and right in front of them in the air.
Trish excels at both and I dare say Trish 8-2 Wesker, but if Strider is alive, it becomes Wesker 7-3 Trish.
Wesker can't do much about keep-away, I wish Dieminion would play just a little more safe instead of spamming and people would see how hard the fight is against Joe, Morrigan...
If Hawkeye has someone to protect his 60°, like Spencer's beta assist or even a shield like Nova's alpha assist (even better!) the matchup instantly reverses.
Anybody that calls another player a scrub just because they complain about Wesker is ignorance. Alot of us are still playing the game and dealing with the matchup. That doesn't mean Wesker doesn't have broken aspects about him.
Can we just take a moment to recognize some inconsistency's. Wesker is the only teleporting character with a million health. The next closest is deadpool with 900,000, and the game penalize him every 3 teleporters. The bulk of the teleporting cast sit at or below 850k. You can see how this was a design decision by capcom because the price for mobility is generally stamina. But you just ignore this rule for wesker? Things like that is what makes wesker overpowered. People shouldn't be called scrubs for acknowledging this. Respect your fellow players.
I know I shouldn't necessarily base my opinions by what I see online, but seriously; it's difficult to not think of a character as OP when the emerging pattern I witness online is : People play. People lose. Then people pick Wesker. If he wasn't "that good" 6/8 teams in majors wouldn't have him. If he wasn't "that good" scrubs online wouldn't immediately throw him on teams when they're salty.
Wesker needs a slight nerf in is damage or health he can still stay intact as a character just make him a glass canon type like phoenix or strider. Also every character is broken. Strider Xf level three shoot stuff and teleport that is impossible to block. Doom foot dive is ridiculous. Hulk has a three move 120% combo in level three xf. Dark Phoenix is still cheap. Also someone was saying something about MODOK he not fair at all.
he is to strong to be this fast....this from my knowledge thats is a broken design......in the decades of me playin FGs only BOSS chars are designed this way.....which is deliberatly broken...... which other FG chars are fast n strong...its practically contridictory in FG chars.....look at f****n thor!
I dont agree that he has bad match ups. Zero, Trish, beat him for sure, Vergil and Dante can also give him problems too because of his range.
Wesker is really good and is probably top 3 but he might go down in the tier list once people start playing the right characters against him.
Anybody who thinks Wesker needs a health nerf doesn't understand how the producers and game devs balance Marvel 3.
Look at the characters with less than 1 million, and tell me he functions in any way like them.
There are many nerfs Wesker could get. Removing his glasses, a large-scale nerf to his damage, etc, but a health nerf?
Get a clue guys. All the characters with less than 1 million health all function and move in ways that Wesker cannot. You can cry all you want about how he can teleport, he lacks the double jump of Cap Amer, the flight of Doc Doom, the air dash of Thor, etc.
Also, Dormammu can air dash AND teleport AND can use Dark Matter into teleport, reminiscent of Vanilla Wesker days.
God, the amount of people crying over Wesker STILL is insane....There will always be top tier, deal with it. Just be happy that Wesker was nerfed from his vanilla iteration (yes, he was nerfed, quite a bit actually, look it up scrubs). I don't play Wesker, but I'm perfectly content with the balance of this version of the game, Wesker is top tier, but he's not broken, not like phoenix was, and no matter what, people will f*cking bitch. I used to think that was a bullsh*t excuse that tier whores used to defend their characters, but Ultimate proved it.
Wesker was not such a problem in vanilla, despite him being much scarier than he is now (in peoples eyes, not in the literal sense), and yet now, somehow in ultimate everyone pretends like he is so much worse than he ever was before, and the game sucks because of him etc. etc. Well that is complete BS. People are complaining about him, simply because he's the one on top of the tier lists, there is no other reason, since he is worse than he was in vanilla. Everyone needs to just grow up, because you know that if Wesker was nerfed, Dante would suddenly be seen as a totally broken character, and you'd all be screaming about how screwed up Dante is, and how horrible this game is etc. etc.
Just give it up, all of you will never be happy, I know that, and you'll never be any good at the game, I know that too, but please, do those of us who actually know how to play this game a favor, and stop crying before we end up with a game full of bottom tier characters, instead of a game with an entirely usable roster, and pretty damn good balance.
Number #52 LMAO at you right now
The part thats funny is.... "You can cry all you want about how he can teleport, he lacks the double jump of Cap Amer, the flight of Doc Doom, the air dash of Thor, etc."
None of these characters have teleports so Capcom gave them other maneuvers that fit their character better, are you saying you could swap weskers mobility for Thors? And then be able to defeat Thor with wesker? LMAOOOO!!!
Plus Akuma, X-23, and Amateratsu would like to have a word with you, they are low health characters and wish they could do what wesker does...
As for Dormammu *shrugs* He is a bad mother shut yo mouth...
I don't play Wesker, never have, and probably never will, I don't think he has to be nerfed, (although I love the whinning for it reminds me of those Vanilla Phoenix days...its your turn Wesker!) but I will agree that his damage output on top of his health, and his mobility is a little wtf...
Oh I forgot to include Chun-li in the "Jealous of Wesker's Mobility" camp
@ 56 how many characters can punish that teleport from full screen away...without a super?
How can you honestly say Wesker was scarier in Vanilla. His only notable nerfs was the health, which wasn't much, and he lost some shenanigans with gun shot. However, speed and damage upgrade and phanton move after cobra strike far outweight anything you might consider a nerf. His ground string is already amoung the safest in the game (-1 on S) but now he can easily convert a block string into a mix up.
I don't care if Wesker gets a nerf or not, but stop calling people ignorant or scrubby for just acknowledging Wesker is overpowered.
And i respectfully disagree if you feel Caps dbl jump, or Thors airdash is better than Wesker teleport.
While it's not true that Wesker has no bad matchups, it IS true that he has no bad matchups when paired with Vajra. Vajra fixes just about all his bad matchups.
Also, are people still complaining about Wesker? It's been over 2 months now, get over it.
@45 Dormammu has a teleport and 1,000,000 health...The problem is people need to develop they're own strategy against fighting Wesker. Just learn how to play a counterpick. Wesker is a ground based character, so if you stay on the ground, youre screwing yourself into falling for his teleport mixups. Wesker has no air control, so if you super jump and fire projectiles, there's nothing he can do. If he does Maximum Wesker, he might dash right into the projectile. Also characters with high priority limbs in the air are good as well. Trash and Zero are the best counters for him. This guy has no idea what he's talking about when he says Wesker has no bad matchups. Zero is the only character with no bad matchups, everybody should know this.
I lol'd.