Aris apologizes, says previous statements do not represent how he feels

To my knowledge, the person he was referring to in his debate was Jared. I think Kotaku totally got that wrong, but I'm not 100% sure.

I wasn't there for the stream when all the Aris shenanigans went down, I only know what I read about it. This rebuttle sounds legit though, this was definitely how it used to be. One of the main reasons why I wasn't allowed to go to the arcades by myself when I was a youngin'.

I watched every munite of cross assault well almost all of it and meeting Aris and having a couple convos with him I know he may come off kind of harsh at times but he means well. I feel what he was trying to say and it just came out totally wrong and I'm sure he means this apology. Let's move on Miranda already has.

It's sad this all happened but I'm glad this situation is finally dying down and while I don't condone Aris's actions, I'm glad he at least tried to apologize for the incident. I simply want this issue to get resolved so we can all focus on the awesomeness that will be SFxT where Kuma shall reign supreme! The fighting game community is a good one and is full of people who do have good hearts, especially when something happens to one of our own, for example when our fellow member had that unfortunate fire occur in his building, many people in the community reached out to help. This is a good, no great community and it's important that as we grow and mature we don't let incidents like this become the beacon that people see when they think about fighting games. This community is great and were only getting better ;-)

I don't get it. What the hell did he even say to garner such a padded out apology? Did he throw out some race jokes or something?

Eh? Is this about Miranda or something new AGAIN?

At #5 This is what started all this: http://youtu.be/0SLDgPbjp0M (warning the video is really choppy as it's from a stream but comments are the main thing here, Aris is making sexually inappropriate comments towards another player called Super_Yan)

At #6 Nah same ish, new day

@5

Because mainstream video game website is writing about it and wants them page views. None of the websites even put up the Sherry conversation with iljoe on his stream. They didn't even talk about what the argument was in the first place. It was between Haunts and Jared and how he departed Iplaywinner and Frame Trap for Twitch.tv and begin talking down about FGC.

This is pretty much exactly what he needed to say, after apologizing personally to Miranda. He was twisting the issue into a defence of the way the FGC works; and that's a good cause to fight for, I hope we all agree but it wasn't relevant to the fact that he upset Miranda. He's not apologizing for making jokes, or his defence of the FGC and IMO he shouldn't apologize for either of those things (and should in fact be praised for both) but he is apologizing for causing offence. Good stuff, Aris.

(I wanted to say 'good shít' but Eventhubs is too eSports for that. Stay free, word filter)

I've missed the past 3 days of this and still don't know exactly what's going on. Can someone just sum it up in a few sentences? I know people just want to move on from this.

This is referencing when he was arguing with Twitch TVs Jared on stream and said "sexual harassment is a part of the community." This is what the media is blowing him up for. This has nothing to do with SuperYan. Aris has said multiple times that the situation with SuperYan has been resolved.

Jared said he would rather have the FGC become more like Starcraft in that we censor ourselves and have commentary more suited towards everyone (no Yipes/Matrix type stuff). Aris was trying to make a point that the FGC has always been raw and should stay that way. He screwed up and said sexual harassment is a part of the community and Jared/media took it the wrong way and blew it out of context.

Aris may be a dick (little dick as he said himself) but he doesn't want to see the community become "esports", whether or not it's right, that's what he believes in.

#11 Aris made sexual comments toward Super_Yan, people said Super_Yan was ok with it because she was laughing but she clearly wasn't ok with it because she resigned from the show and afterwards two sides formed, those accusing Aris of sexual harrassment and those defending Aris's actions as simply playing to the stream viewers. In a related issue some feel Super_Yan purposely threw a match because she no longer wanted to be on the show and used the Aris thing as an excuse. I'm sure I'm missing some stuff but that's the long and short of it all.

It's getting blown out of proportions now by media sites. I just hope that people who have no knowledge of the FGC think that Aris actions represents the FGC as a whole (I'm already seeing comments from those articles with people who have no idea about the scene generalizing the community).

I wonder how all the children calling people 'white knights' feel about this?

"censor the community" ?

Those proffessional leagues don't want to censor people like me. Not everyone in the FGC needs to be censored. Only those that in the FGC that believe and act like it is OK to harrass individuals for no reason. Those guys need to grow up and realise that type of behaviour is just immature. Yh of course jokes and trolling are fun, but when it turns into harrassment then its gone too far IMO

I like how he compares the situation with "arguing with your girlfriend", sure we believe he knows what it's like to actually have a girlfriend.

If eSports means having more commentators like James Chen and UltraDavid and less like Yipes and Matrix and absolutely no people like Aris EVER AGAIN, I'm all for it!

Just my opinion...

So the reason some people don't want Esports is because they wouldn't be able to act like immature d0uchebags anymore ?

@17
Yipes is great entertainment, I wouldn't want to see him go. Not that Ultrachen is inferior, they're just different styles and both have their merits.

Yipes etc wont disappear because of esports. May have to cut down on the cursing but they dont curse that much anyways so all will be cool.

Fighting games need all types of commentary, from Ultachen with their deep in game 'shirt-&-tie' analysis to Yipes and Matrix with their quirky sayings, jokes and banter!

#18 Pretty much. Not everyone though, it mainly seems to be the people who have been playing for 20 years or whatever. They don't want to grow up, or potentially make money either apparently. :-)

I always cringe when I see apoligies like this. Why must everything be so damn politically correct all the time? I don't even know anything about this Aris guy, other than the fact that he has a long beard, but people like this make the scene interesting. It's so relieving to see that not everyone is a politically correct smug assh*le

If anyone wants the FGC to grow, it's gotta appeal to the masses - it doesn't take a marketing degree to figure that one out.

People like Aris have no idea how to grow the FGC. Capcom is trying their best to grow the FGC by creating this show and throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars in prize money... All in attempts to create some buzz (and they are getting the wrong kind of buzz).

Support Aris 100% on this, I have met the man, I have watched him on stream, he is a good repersentation of this community, he is not a monster.

I also wish people would stop posting that bull$hit link in post #7, it represnts everything that is wrong with this 'scandal.'

By condensing and editing everything that could possibly be construed as sexist into a 13 min clip you produce something that is inflammatory, sensationalist and woefully out of context. Hmmm, wonder why all the scandalmongerers are latching on to it...

@#22

So you find harrassing birds relieving? You've got issues pal.......

I want to like Aris.

It's a shame people got hurt over this.

I mean, we are playing games here, right?

Aris was just being Aris, no hard feelings here.

wait..wait...why do 90% of the people dropping comments think this apology is for Miranda....This has to do with the conversation he had live on stream with Jared (who sounds like a total tool). I think #12 explains it best.

#18...being yourself rather than a fraud for the community doesn't make you immature.

EEEESPORTS!

Anyone who respects Kayo Police is cool with me...

If only Aris had been saying these things to a guy. And then if said person reciprocated.

No one would white-horse, but laugh. And then vomit a little.

I can't believe some people are defending this Aris guy. Here's an easy way to check if he treated Miranda with respect? Just imagine that was your mom or your sister he was talking too. Would you be ok with that? What a prick...

As long as people in the community keep defending or perpetuating Aris's behaviours and views, people outside of the community will continue to view the FGC negatively.

There are plenty of respectful people who have been trying to do good in the community. Unfortunately, not as many people support them as much as the louder and cruder members of the community.

People have been saying that the FGC needs to clean up its act but it has fallen on deaf ears for years until this week. Maybe now they will realize that with great power comes great responsibility.

Did Aris just tried to defend himself by saying that without sexual harassment some of the greatest players of our time won't be where they are today?

This guy is an Idiot. Every scene needs to evolve this isnt the old arcade days where dicks like him can feel all high and mighty and treat newcomers like trash get over yourself and grow up Aris

#33
Ok Sorry i hate him now.. : )

This was kotaku commenting on a giant bomb article.
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/when-pa...
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/aris-ar...

Dunno why anyone gives a damn, bunch of nobodys on a stream with a poorly presented and formatted show.

Move along, nothing to see here.

If the commentary is boring then its all bad there is no hype. We got ultra david James chen and Seth Killian to do the extremely professional commentary and everyone else can do the raw uncut stuff. I don't wanna sit and listen to some boring adam sessler esque commentary on stream all the time. Thats a no go son the FGC just needs to keep going like it is. The only problem is the anti female BS. That has gotta stop. its a giant sausage fest and that is NEVER good

TLDR

what a scumbag...

@33&35

LOL!!! What is it like on your planet? like seriously?

You may not want to read this next bit cuz it will probably blow your mind, but when I'm out drinking at bars or house partys people talk like this to women ALL THE TIME, and sometimes say even ruder things. 0_o

Seriously, where do you white knights who want to treat all women like delicate little flowers hang out, I really want to know.

Yeah I don't like the thought of my mom or sister being spoken to like that but thats the world we live in and frankly I realised that when I was about 10yrs old, you guys must live some sheltered a$s lives.

Girls in my group of friends get $hit like that all the time and they give it back twice as hard and you best believe we know about it when any of us step out of line...

Seriously, WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE COME FROM!?!?!??!?!?!!?

@36

I was talking about socciety in general above not just the FGC, but honestly...

I don't give a fuk what outsiders think of our community

so, he doesn't want newbies to come into the fighting scene, and hates the idea of fighting games becoming more open and accesible?

... What an elitest snob. Shut up and go home. Nothing wrong AT ALL with new people wanting to join the scene, and hoping for help and advise for getting in. The arcade scene was that because everyone was a bunch of kids, and thats how kids acted. That, and your money was at stake(had to put money in the arcade if you lost, but got free rounds if you won), so of course they didn't want other people coming in ruining there streak and stuff. You are not in an arcade, popping quarters into the mechine, you are in front of a game system, playing with others. There is nothing wrong with more people wanting to play the game. In fact, the more people, the more fights. And if you help them get better, you will have more people in tournies, with much more variety of gameplay types, styles, and characters. I welcome this whole heartedly!

Aris didn't make his point well when he suggested that changing the FGC is "unethical", but he's actually making a point that's been argued for since philosophy and legislation began. It's all about relativism vs absolutism and the freedom of speech. One the one hand you want things to be raw and unfiltered, anything can be said, deal with it. On the other hand you have the guys that want the FGC cleaned up, meaning that language/content has to be censored. The problem with the second perspective is this: Where do you draw the line of censorship? How do you draw the line of censorship? Who decides where that line is? To wit, I might say swearing is too far, while others think swearing is fine, but swearing AT someone is wrong. Another guy might go further and say you can and should be able to swear at whoever you want as long as it's an individual and not a demographic. The next guy might say we can single out individuals, demographics or the entire universe. Person A's ethical line of speech censorship is not gonna lie the same as person B's. So, as South Park said, either all of it is allowed or none of it is. Personally I think it should all be allowed. I hate the idea of censorship and, in a secular society, I don't understand the basis for the sanctimonious tone.

Free speech is not a price we should have to pay for getting more mainstream.

It has become really clear that Aris has become out of touch with the gaming community as a whole. Those of us in our late 20's or up remember the original FGC in an arcade physically standing next to a person. You needed to have a thicker skin in those days... especially if you were a skinny teenager that just double perfected a guy who could easily kick your ass in real life.

That's not what fighting games are these days though. Sure you have organized tournaments where you're physically sitting next to someone... but your main audience isn't standing right behind you... it's thousands of people watching a screen and hiding behind anonymity. The internet and death of the arcade has changed things... it's just Aris hasn't changed with the times.

Also Cross Assault is a reality show... people think they know a person after watching a reality show. I feel sorry for Aris and Super Yan because thousands of people watched this and it cannot be undone. The public now views Aris as a sexist pig and the view Miranda as a victim and a quitter and it was all for our entertainment.

@46
Well, it's your choice but it doesn't reflect well on the community when everyone outside the community and half the people in the community find such behaviour negative. Or maybe you are right and everyone else is wrong.

I think you are confusing what is acceptable and what is the norm. Just because everyone you know is doing it, doesn't make it right. There are places in the world where killing and raping are the norm after all.

He went over to sniff a girl because the stream monsters told him to, and asked for her bra size.

This isn't a federal case. Aris isn't going to be arrested, not sued, probably not kicked off the show.

But, he definitely crossed a line of just basic respect for a competitor/human being.

Imagine instead if Aris was gay, and there were a bunch of dudes on the stream going "Hey, go find out what Tasty Steve smells like..." or "go ask if he uses magnums"

Definitely wouldn't have the same rush to defend, would we...

Just think about that for a second. This isn't about being PC. If he did something like that to you, would you just sit there and take it as just part of the game?

#15 Troll harder.
#28 They are just wandwagoning that pedestal at full force.
#29 Exactly.
#33 http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvt... lol.
#36 http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/n...

I completely agree whit #48 and #49.

Fighting games =/= Starcraft and for that reason, it has a sort of charm and appeal for this community. Keep it in-house, going mainstream means the FGC loses a lot of its self-identity.

@51
I'm not saying everyone else is wrong, just maybe lost some perspective. I literally see stuff like this everyday (I work in a bar) and no one even bats an eyelid about it.

I'm not saying its right or wrong but it does happen all the time.

Hell, if Aris was a bit taller and had abs of steel, but acted the exact same way, we'd all be talking about a new reality show romance.

But you're right tho, maybe I am confused, reading some of the coverage of this story lately I seriosly wouldn't be surprised if I discovered I'd slipped into some ultra polite parallel universe...

@45
Dude there is a time and place for everything. No problem if the girls your talking too are game with it and it doesn't make people uncomfortable around you. Obviously, Miranda wasn't ok with it. Sexual harrassment when your there to to enjoy a new game, in front of thousands people watching.. That is the right place for this kinda crap. Dude, where are you from? lol... Part of growing up is knowing what is appropriate and not acting like a brat.

Everyone messes up and people always deserve a secon chance

Basically Aris thinks the community needs to be full of dicks who are hostile to anyone they dont feel has earned there respect or anyone who is new. News Flash Aris you where new once too Stop trying to be an Elitist

Here's what Aris is trying to say.

1. No one is a special snow-flake in the FGC when it comes to FRIENDLY criticisms. Doesn't matter what your gender assigned equipment, race, sexuality, controller-type, disability or what have you.

I agree with this. If you come into the community, be prepared to deal with getting a lot of crap. Never mind the fact that the community was originally founded by a bunch of nerds (not an insult, I'll gladly identify with them) who themselves probably dealt with being targeted for their hobbies and lifestyle. They taken that negative energy and fed it into this wonderful community.

2. Here is what Aris actually did.

He intentionally harassed and crossed personal boundaries on a female player. Not because of how she played, but because she was a woman. He felt he could get away with that because she was a woman. That is what is wrong here. Make fun of her missing links or choosing crappy/cheap characters. If you think you can be classy enough about it, throw in a gender joke if you think she'll be okay with it. But like physically getting close and crossing personal boundaries is a no-no in the community. Remember how much crap SmoothViper got for socking that guy in the face?

Now it's easy to see that a physical altercation is different in many ways from getting a few inches from a girl who doesn't appreciate, both of these are PHYSICALLY uncomfortable situations and no one has to deal with that in any context. If he had done the same kind of stuff to a guy, aside from it raising some obvious questions, he'd have gotten a fist straight to the beard.

3. Here is what needs to happen.

Apologize to Miranda. Learn to filter the unfunny/creepy/unnecessarily lewd crap. I'm not a prude, I'll drop f-bombs all day. But ask yourself this, for how funny Yipes is, how many times has he had to resort to extreme racism, sexism, or other types of socially unacceptable behavior for a laugh? Is that what Yipes is known for, given how hilarious the guy is? No. No it is not. He keeps his jabs and jeers centered around the GAMES. You can be an inclusive community without being a bunch of screaming morons making jokes about rape and other unfunny crap that might have been worth a chuckle on 4chan 8 years ago.

I'm not for crucifying Aris. He made some good points but he also stepped out of line and I'm not going to let "15 years of dedication to the community" be a reason not to rightly chastise him for that. Don't kick the guy off the show, don't make an extreme example of him. Just make it absolutely clear that there are right and wrong ways to go about doing what he claims he was doing.

I hate phony-ass apologies like this. He's not sorry, he hasn't learned a thing, he only wants people to stop being pissed at him. Exactly the same as when he "apologizes" to a girlfriend, I'm sure. Aris, you're a worthless little misogynistic punk and always will be no matter how many insincere apologies you make. I see right through you, chump.

@#59/TheHeroPixel:

I like extreme examples. Frequently they're the only thing that actually makes an impression on the kind of boneheads we're talking about. Ever heard of shock and awe? A halfhearted punishment is almost as bad as none at all, an overly extreme one wakes people up out of their stupor and can actually make them afraid to do it again.

Excerpt from the Kotaku Article:

<b>Later, when asked about whether shouting "Rape that bitch!" at a match is acceptable behavior, Bakhtanians replied, "Look, man. What is unacceptable about that? There's nothing unacceptable about that. These are people, we're in America, man, this isn't North Korea. We can say what we want. People get emotional."<b>

Really dude? I'm kind of ashamed to be in the same community where idiots like this guy can get to speak for everybody else. You're an idiot and you said stupid things in front of the whole world on the internet. Sweet. Don't try to make it seem as though you're standing for something you really aren't.

Clearly #53 is upset. It's ok, there there now.

@#45

You have missed the point of this issue completely.

@56
Calling me a brat, when you're supposedly here to defend people rights not to be abused verbally... nice.

Also nice of you to admit that what Aris did could have been OK under certain circumstances.

I mean what are we trying to string him up for here not realising her giggles and smiles were actually, 'I'm not realy comfortable' giggles and smiles...

please

@62

No you're missing the point because trying to put what happend in the show under the 'sexual harassment' banner is actually an insult to anyone who has really been through something like that.

@55
Don't worry, you're still living in a world where people do horrible things to each other and everyone just let's it happen as long as they're left alone but cry foul when it happens to them.

We all see it. It's just that some of us cannot accept what is going on.

@#64

Ok, I agree it's hardly sexual harassment, I never said it was. But there is a big difference between what happened on this show and going out and having some banter with birds.

Drama.

I'm definitely not getting into this again... Just want to say that this ISN'T an apology for doing somthing wrong.

The is him saying "I'm sorry if YOU didn't like what I said"!

What a effing d!ck.

@66

You used the word harassment @25 but OK w/e read #63 as soon as you admit it would have been OK in certain situations, how bad could it really have been??

@65

I realy hope you've moved on to talking about the situation in Syria now, otherwise I'm really lost...

This whole fiasco highlights some interesting things:

1.Aris is and always will be an idiot.He says" my statements do not reflect those of capcom or myself" and he expects this to be a suitable response.It just shows he hasn't learned anything.Of course they represent his opinion otherwise why the f is he saying it in the first place.This is a contradictory ,weak cop-out.He abused his position of power and tried to boost his ego.

2.Vast majority of commenters on here lack some basic social skills.Of course its normal for people to slag/play with other people and for it to be apart of the norm, but like anything in life there is a time and a place.This has nothing to do with the acceptance of this behaviour in social settings like bars .People are drunk and having fun and it is fun when EVERYONE involved is having fun, not just one person at the expense of others.

3.(only for a select few)
There are a particular group of commenters who are either trolling or seriously deluded comparing this situation to religious troubles and other huge topics of discussion. They try to justify this harassment by relating it to "everyday" on-goings as if sh!t happens and that's that.No it certainly isn't.These topics such as religion are highly intricate and cannot be resolved on here in a number of comments.Its ridiculous to even bring this up as if it rationalises whats happened.Religion offers only a subjective view on the natural world(including humankind) and that it is science that leads us to real truth and understanding.To quote Einstein, " science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind".Nature won't be fooled by religious nonsense.

4.This is not a matter of boy/girl or man/woman being treated differently, it is only a matter of harassment be it one way or the other.Anyone trying to say that it's only a big blow up cos she s a girl needs to wake the f up because the fact that this is true only highlights the problem even more.Pat yourselves on the back for that excellent reinforcement, bravo.Women are not all angels nor are men, but we try to get along and do what we can to better our community, without gender or racial discrimination.There are problems in every single aspect of life but doesn't mean we should sit there and accept it.Absolutely not!

5.This has nothing to do with freedom of speech or holding back whats real.The FGC imo needs to spread its wings and become something fantastic. The potential is there but it will remain stagnant with the attitudes of some of the people within our community.We can have a laugh,we can have fun,we can hopefully get more girls into our scene and we can grow our prize pools and representation worldwide.Sharpen up your acts boys and girls,men and women, because this childish mentality does nothing for you in the big bad world. Being respectful doesn't mean you are weak or thin-skinned,a comparison that some people have tried to make and horribly misunderstood.

Yeah, next time i'm gonna do some sexual harassment and then apologize, that way is like nothing happened.
Boy, Aris is a stupid person.
And to all the people that is defending this punk, please grow up.
I'm done with this topic.

@70

Poetic man! Great comments.

@#69

Yep, ok, time and a place but the were elements of being 'inappropriate behaviour'

Noone is saying just cause she's a girl you've got to kiss her arse, NO. But there are lines that dont get crossed, especially on a show with cameras.

To: TheHeroPixel...( post #59 )

Well said man. I agree 100%

@70

referring to 1.

what the hell do you want Aris to do? he already apologized. Do you want blood?! Do you want him to shave his beard?! It's over. Miranda probably regrets bringing up the whole harassment thing because she's gonna get trolled for it for many years and Aris is probably chillin and living his life like normal.

Ha Ha, aluppoj glad you enjoyed it!

I am offically exhausted on this topic now.I hope my thoughts and those of other rational beings such as yourself can be digested by some of the members here. Time to roll a fat dooby and hit it up online. Good luck to all.

LOL I am obviously gonna look like im taking this whole thing very seriously and that i care about these people enough that I wrote a fkng essay on it! I really dont care about the individuals involved but the issues are very important.Now to answer your question,no, I don't want blood , I would like him to have a better mindset . Taking into account he is a senior member of the FGC , how do you think the newer generation will develop with such role models?
Apologies are very easy to make , to change your mindset is far harder. It is very clear from what he said that he hasn't changed his mindset, simply putting it down to the norm within the arcade scene. Something i think may be true but does not make it acceptable. Fair enough?

This is what happens when you take socially inept gamers and put them on camera in front of thousands of viewers in a house of people that they don't know. Idiots try to fit in so they say things that cater to the stream viewers and upon any sort of reaction they keep pressing the action. This is also relevant to the other party who could have ended this before it even happened. As soon as she heard a comment she was uncomfortable with step up and speak your mind. I can guarantee you that at my job if I were to say anything like that it wouldn't take 13 minutes or a couple days to finally hear a complaint, I would be getting my ass chewed out instantly.

People need to grow the hell up and realize they're only hurting any chance at furthering this "fighting game community". In actuality its more of a "fighting game population" because a community looks out for one another and does their best to further the advancement of their own group. The salty haters in this 'community' do nothing of the sort and most of the time everyone is out for their own gains regardless of who they must trash talk or put down along the way.

Just like everything in LIFE... this comment clearly does not pertain to everyone as there are quite a few people who go out of their way to do the best work and help the community in any way that they can.

@69
LOL, let's just agree to disagree.

@70
Well said!

Maybe they shouldn't have gone out of their way to pick a bunch of lesser known gamers. Ya Justin Wong may have mopped the floor with everyone but I guarantee we wouldn't be having any trash controversy like this if the real Pro's were chosen like everyone initially thought would happen. Those people know how to handle situations like that without resorting to immature commentary just to keep the stream interesting.

The newer generation is already terrible and will most likely continue to be terrible. They've had positive role models like mike ross and wong a few years back and nothings changed. Not many people know who Aris is and it's likely the newer generations won't be influenced by Aris since he does not have the body or face of mike ross. Aris has very little appeal so I wouldn't worry about our children's future in the hands of aris

@70 bravo sir! everybody read that comment.

@45

No one is saying you aren't allowed to give girls sh!t, the problem was SHE was NOT down with it. If the girls you roll with are down and give it back then that is an understanding between your buddies and the girls. I give my chick guff all the time and she is able to hang. But if a person isn't comfortable with it, girl or guy, then out of respect for that person you stop. You said it yourself, if someone goes to far you all know about it. This is the same thing. Perhaps her skin isn't as thick as your friends but that doesn't make her less of a person. Her line is just different than yours.

@70 Well said..

With how gamers defend their idea of not being shut in, those in support of this sure are doing an excellent job of demonstrating otherwise.

Wow, I just saw the stream archive. This guy should have been kicked off the show by Capcom. Capcom is lucky that Miranda isn't into lawsuits. That "apology" was just a bunch of excuses. The FGC doesn't need people like Aris when we have people like Alex Valle instead.

Less drama more frame data please.

Aris has always been a hardass when it comes to things, if you can't handle it, the scene doesn't want you anyway.

#MirandaThighs

http://penny-arcade.com/report/editor...

http://www.the-isb.com/

http://www.twitch.tv/iplaywinner/b/30...

"very heated" he says....

R.I.P. aris

hope you shave that beard, lose weight, and come back to FCG as someone we don't recognize

you had 1 shot in the spotlight with arguably the highest honor, a coach,

and you blew it like a dick wad representing the whole community

and say goodbye to sex appeal as well for the next couple of fighting games as well

ESRB gonna be all over that s***

*looks at doa5*

...

:(

Let's face it the FGC is misogynic as hell...even the top players (obvious douchebags like FChamps but also rolemodels like Ricky Ortiz) treat women (those who attend tournaments)really bad...I've seen it so many times...sadly.

That's what you get for giving an idiot like Aris a "coaching" position on a reality show Capcom - a lot of really bad publicity:

"Video game communities can have wildly different standards of conduct, but a recent Capcom-sponsored event has proven just how ugly the fighting game community can become. During a week long reality show about fighting games, contestants took part in sexual harassment and in fact argued that sexual harassment is an important part of the fighting game community that needs to continue. This happened on camera, across multiple days..."

@70
I feel SOME of what you said was directed at me, so let me say something without hopefully writing an essay.

People are calling me ridiculous or lacking social skills for using the bar example, but look at what you're saying:

Aris is a sexist pig who should be kept away from women and children and kicked off the show and is basically a deplorable human being... but if he said that in a bar/w friends it would be OK ^-^

To me THATS ridiculous. Here are some others I've read.

It would have been OK IF:

Her family weren't watching
Her b/f wasn't watching
It wasn't being streamed live
Aris was more sexually appealing/she was hot for Aris

When you introduce this double standard/grey area you really weaken your argument and it seems like you're trolling/realise you're blowing things out of proportion.

I agree with most of the rest of what you wrote, I'm not a Nazi, I don't support the oppression of others.

In post 77 you say you don't care about the individuals, just the issue, and it shows, I feel you got sidetracked. This isn't about those bigger issues, its about a non issue that has been sensationalised.

I care about Aris being chastized for a non-incident and I care that the FGC is being put on blast as a result.

@ heybarnold #75
"Miranda probably regrets bringing up the whole harassment thing because she's gonna get trolled for it for many years and Aris is probably chillin and living his life like normal."

Aris is getting chewed up by the community. The fact that he has to issue an apology is proof that he isn't "chillin and living his life like normal". And either way Miranda was already getting trolled with all the sexual comments. You dumbfuk.

obviously Capcom has never watched Aris on a stream. If they just watched the ttt2 location test stream with him and tasty steve, they would have known what they were in for. this is blowing up to silly amounts at this point. the show itself is a joke, hopefully everyone has learned a lesson. as much as some of you want get all white knight in the comments, your probably just as guilty of the same crap. i have no issues with Aris, because i know he means no harm, and the last thing i want is the FGC to turn into bland eSports.

@85
read #24

@45
read #63 At best Aris was joking around with the stream monsters and his team, at worst he misread the situation (didn't realise her laughing was due to feeling awkward). Nothing to string the guy up for.

Thanks for those links WARGROUND_COOK.

I did not realize Aris was such a complete POS.

Him and everyone like him needs a serious reality check.

There is NEVER justification for that level of horrific behavior. (or any environment that requires/needs it? WTF was that about?)

Why did Capcom allow him to actually read from the chat? (That is like pulling a peanut from a turd. Soooo many juvenile dipshi+s posting nothing but pre-pubescent drivel.) Someone should have stepped in and stopped this right away.

I had no idea it got this bad. Complete crap. Never should of happened. Never should have been allowed to happen. I had no idea Aris stooped so low.

Thanks again for those links WARGROUND_COOK. Everyone needs to see them to get the big picture.

t0fu #95

I think Capcom intentionally choose Aris because he's a good contrast to Valle's more appropriate demeanor.

@23
You obviously dont have one either (a Markerting Degree). Appealing to the masses is not necessary always what makes something grow. Why do you think we have different models of vehicles (Trucks, Cars, Vans, ect) because they cater to a specific audience. This is called a Target Market, or a specific type of group of individuals. You can Google it if you need further explanation. Appealing to the masses is the wrong approach to niche audiences like the FGC. We may be huge, but the entire gamer market segment is even more vast. This is further divided by region and culture.
Appeal to each and every audience, and you will offend or turn someone off resulting in a lost appeal. Thats not to say it wont eventually garner more appeal and respect further into the future as the scene grows. I don't think any of you post 09ers even notice how much the scene has changed since SF4 came out. The amount of character and personality each commentator brings to scene is awesome IMHO. There are some subdued and some bombastic (Seth Killian to Tasty Steve or Yipes). The type of robotic commentary found in Star Craft is good for them, that is their culture. Personally if find Fighters to be more upbeat and unpredictable, and the commentary represents that.
Like Aris or not he is a personality in the community. Im glad he apologized for offending people. As long as he apologized to Miranda, and shes cool with the outcome, then thats cool. He didn't harass me or you, get over yourselves. Im glad at least some of you who represent the real FGC are over this whole issue. At least we know Aris' actions weren't staged. Id rather be free than 28.95 guys, it ain't always about da pay-pah.....Kappa

oops,

I meant @84 read #63

@96

I disagree with #24

@101 in what way? Clip is clearly edited, reminds me of this for more than one reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAe3Fp...