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Justin Wong talks the possibility of dropping Rufus and switching to Adon, lists top 5 characters in Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012

Posted by Steven 'Dreamking23' Chavez • December 16, 2012 at 3:24 p.m. PST
Justin Wong talks the possibility of dropping Rufus and switching to Adon, lists top 5 characters in Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012 The Street Fighter 25th Anniversary tournament series recently came to its stellar conclusion with the Grand Finals held in Northern California. With this event we experienced a bevy of incredible matches between some of the World's best players and were also dealt quite a few upsets.

Among the few American players that made it into the top 16 in Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012, EG|Justin Wong was favored by many to make it to the end of the tournament. Unfortunately, Justin did not make top 8 due to suffering a loss against MCZ|Tokido, then later facing elimination at the hands of RZR|Problem X's Seth.

Justin decided to stick with his signature character throughout the tournament and upon conclusion, felt that a lack of tools may have tipped the scales against him a bit. Not very pleased with his performance, he took to Twitter and voiced his dissatisfaction with Rufus, mentioning he may be dropping the character for another in Arcade Edition.

We were able to get a few of our questions answered and received a bit of insight on the matter. Below, Justin divulges who he feels are the top 5 characters in Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012, which characters he may be switching to and more.

EventHubs: We heard you might be dropping Rufus in Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012, is that true?

Justin Wong: I don't know if I will or not. I'll think about it after the salt in my body leaves.

EventHubs: You mentioned that Rufus isn't quite on par with the top 5 characters in the game. Who do you feel are the 5 best right now?

Justin Wong: I would say guaranteed top 4 in my opinion is Akuma, Fei Long, Cammy, Adon and the 5th one might be debatable with Seth or Sakura.

EventHubs: Which character are you considering switching to?

Justin Wong: Well I can play an above average Adon so I was thinking about him but I might run an Adon combo with one more character, maybe Cammy.

I'll still use Rufus in particular match-ups though.

Evil Geniuses recently conducted an interview with EG|PR Balrog and EG|Justin Wong that goes a bit deeper into the subject of both players looking to change up their characters. You can check it out here.

Much thanks to Justin for taking the time to speak with us.

Comments

SnakeX said on December 16, 2012 at 3:27 p.m.

RIP EG Rufus?

#1
takanari said on December 16, 2012 at 3:27 p.m.

moar footsies

#2
xanderglz said on December 16, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.

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#3
RawVoltage said on December 16, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.

#HakanAllDay

Also this game is reaching the point where character variety is slimming down to the top tiers.

#4
DProto said on December 16, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.

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#5
SAMURAI said on December 16, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.

@ 4 Top tiers are overrated. A Hakan player wins a Japanese tournament and you say that the tier list is holy?

When AE 2012 came out everyone cried about how Akuma got nerfed. And now that Infiltration is raping everyone around the world with his Akuma he is on top of the tier list?

Also when Poongko and Latif/Wolfkrone were dominating with Seth and Viper those characters were considered broken and overpowered. What happened with that?

#6
Boogityboy said on December 16, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.

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#7
Eden said on December 16, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.

Sakura 5th or 6th ? Interesting...

But Cammy isn't that easy, look at PR Rog, he tried her and she doesn't fit his playstyle, Sako finally prefers Ibuki etc...

#8
MrGreeny said on December 16, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.

maybe if he actually showed up to Wednesday Night Fights he wouldn't have gotten blown up by a seth

#9
Dominion said on December 16, 2012 at 3:50 p.m.

Justin may have been a total ass to Adon early on, but now he's one of the best Adons in the States. The irony.

#10
Mune said on December 16, 2012 at 3:58 p.m.

Disagree with Sakura even being top 10, but I guess his words have more weight than mine. Maybe there simply aren't enough good Sakura players locally for him to figure out the matchup.

Interesting that he's moving to Adon. I feel he suits his style a lot better than Rufus (more defensive).

#11
Ginta36 said on December 16, 2012 at 3:58 p.m.

If Gamerbee lost the tournament and he is the best Adon, why does it matter weather or not he uses Adon? Dose he think he could be a better Adon than Gamerbee?

#12
Anon said on December 16, 2012 at 4:03 p.m.

Now that 2012 has been out long enough for people to maximize and understand all the characters' good and bad matchups, I think we are going to see a lot of counter picking from here on out. Until the next SF4 balance update that is, if it ever comes.

#13
dorayaki said on December 16, 2012 at 4:05 p.m.

Typical American reaction - i lose so it must be the character's fault. I mean it just couldn't be that my opponents are world class and had the better tournament day? lol
EG FTL.

#14
KTProsper said on December 16, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.

Top 5 is definitley getting alot of attention right now.. I think ssf4 is going through a phase right now. It'll be awhile before we see variety again.(If we ever see variety again). I'd say in the future 2 out of those 5 will be figured out and many wont use em as much.

#15
SonicfanQ said on December 16, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.

@14 Most of the time with top players it IS the characters fault. This game IMO is 60% character 40% Player. You can have all the skills in the world but you are only capable of doing things your character allows you to do. Justin... do what you have to do. Honestly I can see him using cammy with heavy plinking training. His adon is not bad either. He can frustrate people with his defensive adon lol. I would like for him to drop rufus mainly because him and ricky both using him is boring lol.

#16
Murdurus said on December 16, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.

#6: Actually, if memory serves, Akuma was argued to be the best in AE 2012, even to the point where Daigo really considered maining him because he said that he was a sponsored player and he should be playing to win, not for fun.

#11: Considering that ChrisG and HumanBomb plays amazing Sakuras, I can definitely see her being arguably top 5, if not, definitely top 10. Her tatsus are safe and if she lands them, it can lead to huge damage.

#12: Even though GamerBee has the best Adon (that we know of) and didn't win EVO, it doesn't mean that Adon isn't top 5. Adon is most likely higher on the tier list than Rufus is and if Adon best suits his style out of the top 5, then I think it's only reasonable for him to switch to him.

#14: It's not an American reaction, it's a logical reaction. Out of all people, Justin Wong and Ricky Ortiz are the two people who play Rufus all the time and I'm more than certain that they know what Rufus is and is not capable of. People come up with top 5 on the tier list not because of the fact that they win tournaments but because they analyze the tools that they have. To say that they lost to their opponents purely on their skill is a fallacy. You don't see Dan winning tournaments, do you?

I really hope that there is a 2013 patch to close the gap between the top 10 and the rest of the cast because I think eventually, those who play to win will flock to the top 5 and there are already enough of those players. Don't get me wrong, I think that the 2012 patch closed the gap since we mostly saw Yun and Seth as top but to make the game more varied and more enjoyable for everyone, there needs to be another one.

#17
tupo888 said on December 16, 2012 at 4:26 p.m.

No need doubt
Ues akuma is good choice

#18
korosuuu said on December 16, 2012 at 4:30 p.m.

@ 8
... well, thats just not true...
Sako does not how to play Cammy ? - Is that what you are trying to say ?
There definitly are characters which arent that easy to learn/master ( Ibuki, Viper, Akuma, Makoto, Sakura, Juri etc. ) but Cammy is definitly one of the easiest characters to pick up imo.
Cammy is pretty straight-forward and she isnt execution-heavy...
You should have good reactions to maximize her potential, i give her that.

edit:
.. btw: i am a rufus player myself since vanilla and I do feel Justins pain.
Considered to switch characters for quite a while now too.

Rufus has many problems imo.
There comes a time where every rufus player is asking himself >what can i do better ? Can i still learn anything with this character ?<
He suffers in some MUs too. (Zangief, Sagat, Guile, Deejay, Seth..)
Rufus just isnt as good as people seem to believe imo.
Most of the ppl who cry about the Rufus-MU need to step up their MU-Knowledge imo.

But I really dont know about Adon.
I think Justin will suffer in the same way at some point.
But my Adon-Knowledge is limited.

#19
MegaRanX said on December 16, 2012 at 4:34 p.m.

Eh, I like the fact hes thinking Adon AND Cammy. I dont think just Adon alone is a solution. Gamerbee has went to Yun for the solution when facing an Akuma player. You better your chances with Adon but it'll be nice to have a character in your pocket for Akuma.

#20
SonicfanQ said on December 16, 2012 at 4:38 p.m.

@17 Indeed this game does certainly need more tuning. The main reason we got version 2012 was because people were rightfully complaining about yun and yang and look what we have now. Yang has been butchered to a mediocre character while yun stays pretty legit even with his nerfs. If they do another balance patch they need to be really careful on how they tune the Top characters. Don't get me wrong i hate cammy c viper seth and akuma as much as the next person but i do not want to see them get butchered like yang did. Capcom should give us 1 last tune up with NO NEW CHARACTERS and then start looking for ideas for street fighter 5. They can call it AE Final. There is still work to be done ...

#21
MonkeyCha0s said on December 16, 2012 at 4:42 p.m.

lol @ the thumbnail of Rufus DreamKing used for this.

btw why are people still trying to blow up Justin for his REALLY old comments on Adon from before Super Street Fighter 4 even came out? when Adon was still fresh his future looked bleak, and people thought he was ass. it was a shared opinion. why are people still trying to haunt Justin based on a really old opinion that was proved wrong in EVO 2k10?

#22
DevilMaySpy said on December 16, 2012 at 4:43 p.m.

Are people forgetting Justin had one of the best Cammy's in Super? He'll be fine once he learns AE 2012 Cammy.

#23
tavarez said on December 16, 2012 at 4:48 p.m.

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#24
KTProsper said on December 16, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.

@21 Honestly this game does not at all need a patch all because 6 characters are dominating at the moment. This game still needs alot of more time.

#25
Obanye said on December 16, 2012 at 4:52 p.m.

That "Adon sucks" quote was from before Super was even released, much less AE or 2012 you fuking eventscurbs.

#26
BUYACUSHUN said on December 16, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.

i didn't know sakura was THAT good sheesh. Why don't more people play. I know Justin isn't the end all to be all im just curious as i dont play but have been considering it.

#27
wBENDERw said on December 16, 2012 at 5:07 p.m.

shocking.

#28
Murdurus said on December 16, 2012 at 5:08 p.m.

#25: The only thing that time will do is solidify the ranking of top 5 (i.e. who is #1, #2, etc.). There are characters that will never see the light of day of being top 10, let alone top 5, no matter how much time you give them.

#27: Most people don't play Sakura because she is high execution. She has a lot of 1-frame links to maximize her damage. Even playing online, there are some Sakuras who can't nail her 1-frame combos and still come out winning because of the amount of opportunities they get from her cr. MK and safe tatsus.

#29
KTProsper said on December 16, 2012 at 5:16 p.m.

Their are characters that will never see top 10?.. Not everybody can be in top ten. No matter how many patches is made there will always be a solid top 5 obviously. It sounds like people just want to see a new top 10. We had a Hakan and a Gen take a tournament..

That alone makes your argument irrelavant.

#30
dorayaki said on December 16, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.

@16 - htf did you come up with 60% 40% bs?? lol you scrub. And Rufus is a great character- even has a f'n fastest divekick in the game, safe moves, big power and combo potential. Justin got two and outted and is butt hurt like his pal Ricky. His excuse for subpar performances in recent tourneys was that he was focusing on SfxT - which he got peaced out like a punk in. lol! Now his excuse is character.

By the way, Inco says Rufus is top notch and proves it on Topanga almost every show. Ummmm..... hello??
And, yes, Inco > ANY usa rufus

#31
Murdurus said on December 16, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.

#30: The point of these patches isn't to have a clear cut ranking of the top 5 (or top whatever), it is the close the gap to make it so that the lines are blurred. Just like how the fifth of the top 5 is so varied depending on who you ask, it's the way that the game should be if it was balanced, then there is no clear top tier. Regarding Hakan and Gen winning tournaments, I think it is clearly because of the fact that there was no match up knowledge against them and that is not something anyone should depend on to win. This is not to discredit the players themselves, but it was definitely a factor that worked in their favor. You look at something like the Canada Cup and say, "Oh wow, Xian won with Gen" but one of the recent tournaments (I forget which), the Japanese players were ready for Xian's Gen and I'm sure the results would have been different.

#32
Eden said on December 16, 2012 at 5:28 p.m.

@19 : I didn't say Sako doesn't know how to play Cammy ! But now, he's playing Ibuki again. Like PR Rog, he tried Cammy, but he prefers Fei Long.

What I mean is that you can't pick Cammy just like that, because she's Top Tier. She isn't the hardest character to master, but she isn't the esiest. To play her properly, especially at the highest level like Alioune or Xiaohai, she requires you to be good in specific areas (like a lot of characters). Even if you're a top player, if her style doesn't suit your strenghts and your "philosophy", you need to pass and pick another character.

#33
ec0ec0 said on December 16, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.

Okay, i know that justin said that rufus main weakness is his wakeup, because of the ex messiah going over crouching oponents, and that if capcom change that rufus will be broken... maybe, making it to no go over crouching oponents on hit and BLOCK would be to good because after every blocket ex messiah rufus would have the 3 follow ups to scape save but what about letting it to go over crouching oponents on block at point blank (so rufus gets punished everytime) but not letting it to go over on HIT? That would help rufus without making him espacially good, right? capcom?

#34
GoldenTrophy said on December 16, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.

@12 If memory serves me right Justin's Adon took out Infiltration at one time where Gamerbee has not in every face off he has with Infiltration. Gamerbee is the best Adon but Justin may have a better strategy vs Akuma with Adon than Gamerbee. Justin and Ricky are the best Rufus players by far and both of them are close to even in skill but Ricky get's raped by Momochi while justin beats him with ease.

#35
gtfopanda said on December 16, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.

Surprised no one posted this, just to have a laugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxzCLD...

2:21 for the lazy ones.

#36
RunningWild said on December 16, 2012 at 5:43 p.m.

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#37
SonicfanQ said on December 16, 2012 at 5:45 p.m.

@ 31 Yes thats what I said and I stand by it. I explained to you why also SCRUB lol! Also I never siad rufus was a bad character lol. Rufus IMO is an amazing character but he has problems with the top 5. Even characters who is not top 5 like zangief and guile. Justin is looking to win. Hes a pro player and I support his choice in changing characters. There is a reason rufus never listed as a top 5 character.

#38
Iammanchild said on December 16, 2012 at 5:47 p.m.

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#39
xShonuffx said on December 16, 2012 at 5:57 p.m.

The irony. Thats all I have to say.

#40
KataM said on December 16, 2012 at 5:58 p.m.

He sould play an underdog character as secondary. Same way he played Fei Long in that vanilla's SFIV final or how Xian moved to Gen.

Justin has the talent to play any character to an acceptable level. He continously does it in UMvC3, playing some underdogs as Iron Fist on a competitive level.

He doesn't need to shine or be the best player with his character, just take advantage of his adversary's lack of experience on a certain matchup.

#41
KTProsper said on December 16, 2012 at 6:01 p.m.

@32 I understand where you are coming from though. But know that you are delusional when you say some of this. Honestly patching isnt going to settle it. Some characters playstyle and tools are put in positions where a patch would make it too good or bad. Their will never be a point where all characters are debatable with all characters. The truth is that many characters have ano answer for every character in top 5. But the top 5 all have something that is difficult for a "Player" to stop. And every rebalance is going to be like this..

Its a sad truth.. Accept it

#42
Murdurus said on December 16, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.

#42: So your solution is to never try. If AE 2012 wasn't released, all we would ever see are Yuns, you're satisfied with that?

#43
KTProsper said on December 16, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.

They can try all they want. We are gonna get the same result different chracters everytime. Its always been like this. All Im saying is that this is the best patch we ever got for this game. Having 10 characters thats viable in competition is ALOT better than the yun and yang issue.
And even though top players were taking off guard by gens and hakans and etc. It shows that the community is trying as well. Dont throw in a patch until it is confirmed that no other character is viable against the top characters. Which isnt the case

#44
ineedbackup said on December 16, 2012 at 6:23 p.m.

I predict the US will still be free to japan.

#45
SuperStraightFighter said on December 16, 2012 at 6:25 p.m.

Some players can make a great transition, like Xian going from Yun to Gen, both his Yun and Gen are very very solid.

#46
analogos said on December 16, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.

@3 @10 @36 @40

will you people please for the love of god drop this stupid nonsense already

@22 @28

exactly.

#47
SuperStraightFighter said on December 16, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.

A patch to buff hawk, dan and hakan to level up the playing field a bit wouldn't hurt at all...you know some people do play these so called 'joke' characters seriously and want to present them in high level tournament placings, now that is a hard task to do

#48
Kijui said on December 16, 2012 at 6:34 p.m.

My Saikyo sensei isn't top 5?! Oh I get it Dan is too good to get a number. No wonder you never see Dan win tourneys. Those -4-frame links are too hard for people to pull off

#49
SuperStraightFighter said on December 16, 2012 at 6:38 p.m.

Dan's character is like his hadouken, it slowly fades away Kappa.

#50
SteadiestShark said on December 16, 2012 at 6:47 p.m.

I wonder why he doesn't just block on wakeup if he's worried about EX messiah going over the opponent.

#51
BaroqueObama said on December 16, 2012 at 6:51 p.m.

tfw Justin switches to Adon or Cammy permanently and Ricky follows suit. :(

#52
100thMonkey said on December 16, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.

@42, 44 Exactly, i finally see some people here who talk some sense when balance/rebalancing is mentioned

#53
SonicfanQ said on December 16, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.

@51 Because this game is all about making people guess on wakeup and ambiguous cross ups and such and having a invinsible move like EX Jesus kick removes all the guessing from a situation.

#54
KTProsper said on December 16, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.

@53 Its something many dont understand. They want change but dont realize that at the end of the day we're back to square 1

#55
Worstfatman said on December 16, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.

I feel that if Justin practiced more he would have done better. When was the last time we saw him at WNF or in the training room as a matter of fact? The Japanese players performed well because they're in the arcade every week practicing and Infiltration practices at least 10 hours a day. It's a lack of dedication on Justin's part. He should spend more time practicing and less time whining. IMO, he's still going to get blown up using Adon.

#56
Graphf said on December 16, 2012 at 7:09 p.m.

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#57
niggardly said on December 16, 2012 at 7:39 p.m.

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#58
BaroqueObama said on December 16, 2012 at 7:59 p.m.

@58
He just said he thinks Adon is top 4... He's been playing the character for a couple years now and would have the most success with him. I think top 5 has a lot of gray area anyway.

#59
SgtKonus said on December 16, 2012 at 8:06 p.m.

@RunningWild

Why waste his time with games that have no money behind them?

#60
DevilMaySpy said on December 16, 2012 at 8:14 p.m.

Justin mostly uses Adon's roundhouse and gets pretty far. When he fully learns the character, we're all in trouble.

#61
Shinebox said on December 16, 2012 at 8:26 p.m.

5th is Seth... Sakura is easily between 10 and 13. You wont encounter many Dan, Cody and Blanka's at high level play tournaments which is the worst thing for her. This is why she looks so strong

#62
illness690 said on December 16, 2012 at 8:30 p.m.

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#63
Kenshiro said on December 16, 2012 at 8:53 p.m.

I'm absolutely convinced Niggardly cannot read/comprehend.

@ 50 Nice, I feel the same way about that joke character.

#64
Cyan said on December 16, 2012 at 9:08 p.m.

If Hakan appears more often in tournaments, everybody will get to know his few cheap tricks and he won't win anything again.

#65
massi4h said on December 16, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.

@62, Dan and Cody are not bad matchups for her

#66
xShonuffx said on December 16, 2012 at 9:16 p.m.

@47 Its not our fault he put his foot in his mouth.

Besides, it doesnt bother me that he wants to change if he thinks its the best move for him. More power too him. Justin is one of my favorite players...

But he still shot himself in the foot about what he said. Just saying.

#67
HyperViperNZ said on December 16, 2012 at 10:22 p.m.

Sakura as a debatable 5th? Replace her with Viper as a definite 5th in my opinion. Dunno why everybody lists Adon so high. To me he falls in the middle of the tier list in terms of difficulty to beat.

#68
niggardly said on December 16, 2012 at 10:43 p.m.

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#69
VladDracul said on December 16, 2012 at 10:51 p.m.

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#70
citiofbrass said on December 16, 2012 at 11:50 p.m.

@16 i know its you opinion but how does it makes sense to you that diago and several dozen japan players are able to place high in tourneys and not use top ten character? 60-40 is all wrong. its all about match up experience and for that reason, it wouldnt even matter if justin had adon on him as a main the outcome would have been the same. its just his saltyness speaking. he dont need to change. he just needs better match up experience. hes only gonna get that by playing better ppl. instead of investing time with another character, he needs to invest time in japan. which is why i agree with #14's statment.

sakura is def top 10 who does not see that is just plain blind.

@24 that is hillarious lmao

i dont think the game needs any more tuning. they risk messing the game up all over again. the US tends on placing rankings compared to winning majors. why have we not learned to separate the 2?

#71
clustercannon said on December 17, 2012 at 12:12 a.m.

you guys, stop arguing or saying he's scrub, or he'll lose, or even saying it won't do him any good. it's his choice, let's see the outcome at next major tournament. in my own opinion, the tier list doesn't matter. yes there are characters having more tools than the rest of the roster, that's why you train. you say akuma is 1 on the list, i say seth, adon, cammy or even vega has the right tools to match akuma's tools, maybe not all of them, but enough to shut down akuma's options. it really depends on how you train, find a counter for everything, and practice to not throw risky moves that'll put you on a disadvantage against a certain character.

#72
Smorgasboard said on December 17, 2012 at 12:16 a.m.

Akuma is a character that requires a huge time investment to be really good. It took Momochi and Tokido almost a year before they were incredibly good in SF4. It took a while for Infiltration to master most match ups too.

Does any top player really want to spend the time instead of other more quicker to pick up characters?

#73
Ryu_Apprentice said on December 17, 2012 at 12:22 a.m.

Its sad we take what pro say as a criteria for character picking. Sheesh play who u like. If justin says he wants to change let him do so. He has dat right, but saying Rufus is not a very good character is funny and lame, ricky got to evo finals, wong won plenty of tourneys, now pls stop talking bs and play d game

#74
FOOOLS said on December 17, 2012 at 12:42 a.m.

FFs eventscrubs.

You guys have no f**cking idea.

#75
edrigo said on December 17, 2012 at 2:52 a.m.

I would welcome a patch if they buffed the weaker characters. Leave the top 5/10 alone everyone else gets either major buffs or minor ones. Makoto and gouken got better i'd like see more of that with guy, cody dudley, dee jay, bison and chun (more damage). Give gouken a link for his low short into fireball lp and have his his ex air tatsu be invincible on startup.

#76
Grevier said on December 17, 2012 at 3:27 a.m.

"I think Adon is like the worst Character in the game"

The irony! ^_^

#77
jhgguhgfuy said on December 17, 2012 at 3:53 a.m.

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#78
Raven said on December 17, 2012 at 5:15 a.m.

Lol people, Justin assumed too much about an unexplored character. He's doing more for the scene than anyone on these forums, let him be please. ;)

I think Cammy is better than Adon, as I do C. Viper. Adon is agile and he's good at annoying you, but he seems to have some really tough match-ups against some of the high-tiers.

He could dual-main and just use which ever character is better for specific match-ups.

Sakura is definitely top 10. ChrisG made short work of a top level Guile and Sagat player, she's up there. She's got nothing but buffs since vanilla. But she is execution and mix-up heavy. If you're not on point, like with Akuma, you get punished hard.

Personally, I'm maining Gief, Guile, and Chun-Li. Undecided on my rush down character.

#79
misdaa said on December 17, 2012 at 6:52 a.m.

#77

-said Justin before SSF4 was even released.

He was bad then, now he's not. Let it go bro.

#80
SlydeSlym said on December 17, 2012 at 7:32 a.m.

You scrubs and stream monsters are so dumb I don't think you even realize that Justin's comments on Adon were in the SSF4 BETA. Before the game was even finalized.

Justin was right about how awful and pointless the character was and they listened and tweaked him to the point where he was able to be used competitively in SSF4.

80 comments and not one person points it out but at least 10 come out with HURRRRRRR BUT U SAID ADON WAS ASS DURRRRRRRRRR.

#81
Aluppoj said on December 17, 2012 at 7:46 a.m.

@81

Lets see the date that he gave that interview.

#82
Aluppoj said on December 17, 2012 at 8:03 a.m.

@81

Lol, after reading you're comment I felt that I should go look for the footage myself. And big surprise.... It wasn't the beta he was talking about.

But who cares anyway? His opinion has obviously changed. Not that big of a deal. So you can stop lying and spreading false information now.

On a similar note. People pull the same crap for Mike Ross. Acting like the only version of SFxT he liked was the *pre gems* build..... WRONG!

The game was pumped and pumped and pumped by the CC crew right up till launch.

#83
SlydeSlym said on December 17, 2012 at 8:07 a.m.

@82, 83
Yes it was. The copy he was playing and giving his impressions on was the one he had been playing for weeks before the retail version came out. It's not like he got the game, looked it over for a few minutes and said "looks like Adon sucks".

#84
sarif2soon said on December 17, 2012 at 9:07 a.m.

seth>sakura

#85
misdaa said on December 17, 2012 at 11:19 a.m.

#83

Of course they were. They get paid to.

Jwong pumped MK9 then dropped it as soon as he won the $10k tourney.

#86
RedRapperSux said on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.

At the end of the day, it is the players fault.

#87
Chunners said on December 17, 2012 at 3:30 p.m.

yay for tier whoring.

#88
Swafflong said on December 17, 2012 at 5:07 p.m.

Oh my gosh, JUSTIN, DO NOT BE A TIER WHORE! If we get all top tier characters placing top in tournaments, the game might get stale to watch, thus leading to depletion of hype and eventually, being replaced by freaking smash bros, WHICH COULD THUS LEAD TO THE END OF THE FGC!...... Or at least that's my theory. But seriously, play characters cause you like them, not because their easy to win with. Heck, I use Dan, and it's a struggle, but at the end of the day, I like the character.

#89
xRELLIKx said on December 17, 2012 at 6:40 p.m.

How is it even a question?!
Use Akuma, he's top.

#90
umad said on December 17, 2012 at 7:53 p.m.

switch character. lose. blame it on character. switch character. repeat X1000

#91
keebler said on December 17, 2012 at 10:10 p.m.

If they bother with another damn patch, they better just buff the people outside top 10 with little buffs here and there, and leave the top alone.

Honestly though, it'd be dumb to patch again. People are spoiled now. Instead of just letting the game live, and having the metagame evolve over time, we tweak it every damn year. That's not nearly long enough. Heck, look at this sudden outcry over unblockables in the last couple months (an overrated issue). Things are constantly being discovered still. If everyone keeps fussing, capcom will eventually mess up and overbuff someone all over again.

Take a look at who is on top. Justin mentioned Fei and Adon (though i'm not sure i quite agree about fei), but most of the top is made of high risk, high reward characters. Have you ever watched low to mid-level cammy, seth, or akuma players? They get blown up alot! You can only succeed with those characters with tons of practice, and most importantly, the ability to read the opponent and train them how to react. These characters can dominate, but they really do have to earn their wins.

I'd rather have the fast-paced, high offense characters be the ones that are up top, as opposed to Super where it was mostly charge characters. The gap between tiers is pretty damn small anyway. Akuma is rough, but how many truly good akumas are out there? And Cammy...cammy is beatable. You just have to block, lol.

#92
spotlesseden said on December 17, 2012 at 11:54 p.m.

nobody blocks in this game. lol
Go play against top cammy players, you will not block too.

#93
sdfkuhiuhsdf said on December 18, 2012 at 4:14 a.m.

(This user was banned.)

#94
fighto2000 said on December 18, 2012 at 5:46 a.m.

You can't blame the character for your lack of skills. Each character can win, so go ahead jwong you will still be the same even if you change or even worst I'd say. Because I don't think he have that great of an adon not comparable to gamerbee.

#95
rikudou said on December 20, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.

I'll just add that ALL the Akuma's you see winning majors today are ones that stuck to their characters since vanilla. Tokido, Eita and Infiltration. It takes a long time to master him, since you have to level up ALL aspects of your SF skills to become good with him: footsies, zoning, combo execution, setup execution. He's perhaps the only character that requires all these skills, but as you see with Infiltration, it levels up the player.

He used to get bodied by Daigo, but now he's 6-0 'ing him in major tournaments. Contrary to what people think, he's not brainless. You can't fight Ryu the way you fight Abel. One requires superior footsies, the other requires reads and setup repetition. Doing that for 4 years tends to level up a player in general.

I'd say that infiltration is the first player to truly master him because he has all the fundamentals down. It'd be a damn shame to nerf Akuma even more, given what he provides to the game.

#96


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