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1 BP 319688 WARRIOR Daigo (Yun)
2 BP 303025 U.MASTER Kazunoko (Yun)
3 BP 255781 U.MASTER Mago2DGOD (Fei Long)
4 BP 229520 U.MASTER Nemo (Yang)
5 BP 202488 U.MASTER Michaeltan (Ken)
6 BP 200803 U.MASTER MDR(Yun)
7 BP 180441 U.MASTER Yaz (Yun)
8 BP 178178 U.MASTER Iyo (Ibuki)
9 BP 169468 U.MASTER Banbaban (Yun)
10 BP 167664 U.MASTER Fuudo (Fei Long)
11 BP 163008 U.MASTER Ojisanboy (Yang)
12 BP 150448 U.MASTER Nekojita (Abel)
13 BP 143493 U.MASTER Taku (Blanka)
14 BP 137554 U.MASTER Kyabetsu (C.Viper)
15 BP 134099 G.MASTER Maakun (Yun)
16 BP 131829 U.MASTER Dogura (Dictator)
17 BP 130435 U.MASTER RF (Sagat)
18 BP 126867 G.MASTER Sekiganryu (Ryu)
19 BP 124781 U.MASTER Aqua (Yang)
20 BP 124288 U.MASTER Fu*k Yun (Yun)
@2 who is mamoichi
@4 I think those are their actual names, hashigashira and Ikoma are the names they use on their cards.
according to tier list Fei is S tier, higher than the twins, maybe people plays twins because they are new additions to the AE series and just enjoys playing them.
The fact is S tier Fei has only 2 players in the top 20 is proof that AE is a fairly balanced game.
In before the Yun defense force tries to come to the rescue of their blatantly broken character as confessed by the creator of the game. I'm sure we'll see great arguments such as mentioning how other characters in other games were in fact far more broken.
In case you guys didn't notice, the latest Arcadia Tier list for AE is here :
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/ma...
S : Yun, Yang, Fei Long
@Cryios If Amiyu ever picked up Yun he might be able to. Problem is that he's too in love with E. Ryu, T. Hawk, Gen, and all the other non-OP characters.
@11
Yun, Yang, Fei all in S tier right? so doesnt matter Yun has 7 in top 20, and fei only had 2 in top 20, so player skills is more important than tier list.
@9
Then please tell us how it works, son, please enlighten us, dont just leave it as 'doesnt work like that'.
@10
No one is deffending him, the point is to stop crying about it and learn the matchup, characters such as Seth, Akuma, Evil ryu and twins has low hp for a reason. Btw you didnt trash Yang and fei because they are in the Same tier, why not?
@DR Jam
It's just one of those stories you can take a quick look at to see who's been putting a lot of time in at the arcade.
Sometimes people want to know "Who are the best Japanese players?" and this is a quick reference guide, since in order to have this many BP you need to be good. Pretty simple.
For example this week I noticed Taku and Dogura on the list, so I'll keep my eye out on any Japanese streams / videos for those two players.
If you think a bit of news is trivial, then pass it up. That's why they give you a snip before you hit the jump to read / watch the full videos - so you don't have to click on things that don't interest you.
@20
what part of Yun requires no thought to play can you explain that? If you mean hes dive kicks, Yang can do that as well, if you palm metre build, yang can do it too, if you mean command grab mixup yang can do it as well? So can you please explain to me which part Yun requires no thought to play? I dont deny people defend them but thats only because a lot of people trash them to death.
Yun doesnt have low health like Akuma/Evil Ryu/Seth...
Taku has been in the Top 20 for a looooooooooooong time. Acqua slides in and out of the list from time to time, but everyone else on that list has been there seemingly since the game came out.
#22- Yang's dive kicks aren't as effective, and his command grab has less range than Yun's also. Just because they have similar looking tools, doesn't mean they're the same in terms of effectiveness.
Yang also has a bunch of stuff that Yun doesn't have though, so I'm not trying to say that Yun is just better.. just.. your comment shows a lack of understand about the game.
Yun isn't totally braindead, he just gets away with things he shouldn't and gets a lot of benefits for very little work. The things I really don't like are:
*EX rush punch being +1 on block
*being able to deal 600-800 damage easily through Genei Jin (which can be landed through simple hit confirms into the shoulder, then canceled)
IMO, he should be a character of high risk, high reward, not little risk, high reward. Too much of his stuff is safe. He's not totally broken like many of the people complain he is, but he needs to be nerfed.
@24
"Yang's dive kicks aren't as effective, and his command grab has less range than Yun's also."
You're calling other people out for "lack of understand about the game"???
All the top Japanese pros have acknowledge that Yun has better divekicks and a slightly bigger grab range than Yang. Now the reason for that is because Yun and Yang were designed to be played differently from one another.
Yun was designed to be heavy rushdown character. around 85% of his offensive abilities depends on his in-your-face rushdown abilities, most of which are centered around his divekicks. Even Daigo said that one of Yun's main problems is that he needs to be airborned in order to launch his best offensives.
Yang is not even a heavy rush down character. Yang is more of a footsie based than rushdown based character. Yang's offense is based more on footsies than it is on rushdown. Remember how when AE was just released on arcades, all the Japanese Yang players were getting bodied hard???? The reason for that was because they were trying to play Yang in the heavy rushdown manner, they were trying to play him as if he was Yun and so they were getting bodied. It seems to me that you're one of the people who still hasn't figured out that Yang's offense is more footsie based than the in-your-face rushdown type.
Sure Yang's divekicks and grab may not be as good, but Yang has a much more solid ground game, better wake-up options, and he also has better defenses. Not to mention his ability to FADC his DP is another aspect that shouldn't be overlooked.
I long for the day that Dan or Hakan become top 20.
@25
Typical scrub who likes to exaggerate and blow things way out of proportions.
You have no clue about what you're talking about. You call him "braindead" while giving only two examples. Actually, you only provide one real example and that is the +1 on block for his Ex-Lunge-Punch. Yes it is +1 on block, what you don't mention is that it can be easily stuffed with things such as jabs and such.
The other example you gave is total bull: "being able to deal 600-800 damage easily through Genei Jin (which can be landed through simple hit confirms into the shoulder, then canceled)"
There is very BIG damage scaling if you hit confirm into the light-shoulder then cancel into Genei-Jin. Most, if not all, of the hit confirm --> light-shoulder --> Genei-Jin combos are around 350 damage and such. It can go up to around 400 damage if you add in his U1 at the beginning of his Geni-Jin, but we shouldn't overlook the fact that such damage comes at the price of an Ultra and Super meters.
Almost all of the 600-800 damage Genei-Jin combos require both the Super + Ultra meter and are only applicable under the most rare and unrealistic situations.
You sound like a total dimbo when you claim that the 600-800 damage Genei-Jin combos are "easy." You're probably just another one of those scrubs who watched Desk's high damage Genei-Jin combos and think that the average player can also wasily pull off such combos in an acual match.
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Sorry for the type. It should be "the average player can also easily pull off such combos in an actual match."
@25
Genei-Jin gets scaled down like crazy, almost every single character can do 600-800 damage anyway so I dont see the damage factor as a problem, example: Viper j.hk cr.hp cancel cr.hp ex seismo flame kick ultra. Sagat jump in hp, cr.mk low tiger shot fadc cr.mp dp fadc high kick u1. Gen jump in hp, st.mp, target combo super then ultra. Just to name a few here. His safe attacks like ex lunge requires a super bar so its expected to be safe? (its gona be -1 in 2012), even st.mp lp shoulder is not a true stun and can be dp through it so I dont see whats so safe about him.
I'm not one to usually defend high tier characters, but what you guys are saying about Yun not being brain dead is totally true. When I get frustrated at times, I try to look for a cheap/easy character to win with just to get my spitits back up. Yun is a tough character to use effectively, and he's the last person I would go to in that type of situation that I mentioned. When I actually choose to use Yun, I'm in a mood where I want to increase my mind game, technique, and strategy building skills. It takes a lot of skill to use him in my opinion.
@32
That's what we've been saying all along. The people who just blatantly say things like: "Yun is very easy to pick up and play," "Yun is braindead," and "Yun is autopilot," etc... are people who almost ALWAYS fail to give any explanation of why they think that Yun is braindeady easy to play.
What these people are doing is that they are slandering a the character. Basically slandering means that you're lying or giving a dishonest opinion about something in order to get what you want.
And I honestly think that a lot of these Yun haters are purposely slandering Yun when they say that he's "easy to play."
The fact that almost every single person who have claimed that Yun is "easy to play" has failed to follow up with an explanation gives proof to the fact that many of the people who say such things are giving a dishonest opinion. They know that Yun is not an easy character to play, but they are still calling him that anyways in order to slander him and such.
This problem with the community that shouts out how S tier Fei Long is that they don't know how to play the match up. I am so sick of hearing how my character is top tier status when he shouldn't be considered S-tier. You see when it comes to playing Fei Long, the players skill determines EVERYTHING. He is not a pick up and play character and if you don't have skill you will lose against good or even decent opponents. People even top players complain about that which they do not understand or simply put don't want to deal with. If you look at the frame data from super to now its almost exactly the same yet people complain about him being cheap when he is not. LP, ex rekka (1st and 2nd) being safe, and the arc of the chicken is really all that changed. Learn the matchup and stop complaining point blank!!!
@35
You make a good point about people that start off with SF4. I've been following the SF scene for years way before the arcade release of Vanilla; and as I recall, SF4 release caused an explosion of new people joining the community.
This is mainly due to the fact that SF4's graphics engine made a break through with SF4. And that SF4 got more media attention from popular gaming events such as E3 and stuff.
You're definitly spot on when you point out the fact that lots of people here probably didn't play any SF games before vanilla SF4. If you look at comments being posted all over the place, there are a slew of people saying that Daigo "always" used Ryu and dropped Ryu solely to tier-whore with Yun. Those people have gotten no clue, Daigo has played many characters during his career as a professional SF player other than jut Ryu.
In fact, as I remember correctly. Ryu wasn't even the reason why Daigo got nicked-named the beast. Daigo got the nickname "The Beast" because he was beasting it with Boxer while playing SSF2-Turbo.
Blanka needs no nerf, I think Yun is being nerfed too hard, capcom should ask for top opinion. by the way Yun has onlly been around for just months.
Why are you guys arguing about Yun?
He's getting nerfs end of story and for a reason. It's set in stone and its going to happen. There's no reason to complain anymore, and for the people saying "Learn the matchup" when it comes to dealing with Yun.. well I say this.. have fun "learning the match-up" in 2012.
I personally think they might have done a little too much, but at the same time I highly doubt he'll be bad.
#26
You obviously didn't read my post, but just wanted to reply to one of the things I said.
I'm not hating on Yun.. I've never hated on any character in SF4.. as I think they're all pretty bad.
I was responding to another person's post, asserting that Yun isn't stupid, just because Yang has the "same" stuff, in his Dive Kick and Command Grab. I was simply stating that Yang's Dive Kick and Command Grab are just objectively worse, so you can't say it's the same. That is a 100% true, factual statement.
Anything else you got out of that, was just your own head making stuff up.
I didn't say Yun's Dive Kick and Command Grab are better, so he's an obviously better character. In fact, I stated "Yang has a bunch of stuff that Yun doesn't have", so taking my post as some Yun-bashing statement, requires an astounding lack of reading comprehension ability.
It wouldn't matter if someone started playing fighting games with SFIV. Their arguments still need to be evaluated on their own merits, not just dismissed. I don't know how anyone could seriously disagree with that. If someone makes a bad point, explain the flawed logic or incorrect information and defend an alternate position; don't waste time claiming their age or past gaming choices make them inherently wrong.
@40 Why should they remove him? Did you lose too many times against good Blankas and you're too stubborn to learn the match up or what?
@40
My problem isn't their age or the fact they started with SF4, but their lack of knowledge and experience really shows when people say ignorant comments like "Yun = automatic win", "Yun takes no skill", and "Rufus = Yun + Yang". When people say these things, I tell them that's a retarded statement and explain why, I really do, but they act as if what they know everything about SF when clearly they don't. When you whine and cry about everything that Capcom does because you don't get what you want, it really shows how juvenile you are.
Where are the Dan buffs eh? I believe taunts should give Dan +1 EX bar and +100 damage boost when successful. It's a simple plea.
@HAV
Your comment is directed at me by pointing out some of the similarities of Yun and Yang which I used as an example to discuss why Yun is being trashed and not Yang, sure both play has similar tools but plays quietly differently and has their own advantages and disadvantages. The point I was trying to say both character has dive kick option, command grab option, palm metre build option, the keyword is option. Sure one character might has slightly better option but lacks someothers, but the main point is why people trash Yun only? Seriously all these dancing around the question stuff never explains anything why Yun is too op.
@DR_Jam #48
No problem bro, just glad you didn't come here to join in the "Is Yun overpowered vs. broken vs. cheap/braindead vs. stupidity?" debate :)
@49 Exactly.
Yun is far from being an autopilot character. You have to play with the same amount of patience as you would with Akuma since he has such low stamina, and he doesn't hit that hard either. I guess people say he's OP because you don't have to adapt at all during a match when you're playing as Yun. All Yuns basically follow the same strategy: Sit back and build meter with palm, and when the opponent comes at you, mix in a couple of fake palms to mess up their timing, then get them with a dragon kick. Then you can pretty much rush them down once you have that knockdown. Rinse and repeat.
Yun - 7
Yang - 2
Fei Long - 2
Ibuki - 1
Ken - 1
Abel - 1
C. Viper - 1
Blanka - 1
Dictator - 1
Ryu - 1
Sagat - 1
I wonder why someone's getting nerfed.....