MCZ|Daigo Umehara (Yun) and TH|Poongko (Seth) participated in a Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition concept match hosted by Topanga TV. It was a first to 10 wins set. It has been suggested that there may be more concept matches in the future for Topanga.Note: The matches in the embed above start at about the 35 minute 26 second mark.
what is this then http://www.taito.co.jp/gc/special/50n... ?
WTF is going on?????
They've wasted half an hour doing nothing. Is Poongko late, no show, or what????
Poongko's Seth be getting rocked by Daigo's Yun. Maybe he should removed his weights and use the KaioKen [X] 10.
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Wait, Poongko's already using KaioKen [X] 10¿! "Insert Darth Vader: Nooooooooooooooooo!"
@11
Both players made some very bad chokes, but Daigo pulled through in the end.
i liked how daigo very rarely did a quick stand up to stop/throw off a lot of poongkos teleport and mix up timings, most of the time he got hit hard at evo was off a mix up when he did a quick stand up. i dont think i once saw a sonic boom/teleport 50/50
nice matches
poongko fans are going to cry about yun again. no offense against poongko, but he made too MANY "random" shoryukens and ultras, he really needs to stop that. and for those, who are crying about yun makes too much damage, poongko would win with more health, BLABLA, GUYS it was poongkos own decision to play seth, he knew that he's health is low, soo don't cry THX THX
(i'm not a daigo fan, i respect all players, uryo is the king)
Can we have now:
Kazunoko vs Poongko
Kazunoko vs Daigo
Nemo vs Daigo
Nemo vs Poongko
Daigo vs Michael Tan
Michael Tan vs Poongko
Fuudo vs Poongko
Mago vs Poongko
Fuudo vs Daigo
Fuudo vs Kazunoko
Fuudo vs Nemo
etc..... With all those concept matches also being first to 10.
These matches are WAYYY better than Sh-t Battle Opera. Hell, I'd much rather prefer these first to 10 concept matches over Evo anyday.
Honestly this mite have gone the other way if Poonko didn't do so many god damn shoryukens!!!! For gods sake I can already count 3 in my head where he lost the entire match just because of his wasted bar attemptes with FDC's on shoryukens. Yet he only lost 10 to 6. If this guy would just focus %100 on bar consumption and stop trying to impress the crowd that obviously doesn't need to be impressed....he would be way more better than he seems right now. Crazy potential, but no patience. Daigo just sits there and block and Poonko hands him almost half the rounds. I wish there was a translator for the commentary though...would have loved to hear what they were saying when he kept doing those uppercuts.
@#20
u scrub r definitely a fckn idiotic noob!
yun on a knockdown has 1/4 or 5/5 read chance and option select against seth, backdash can be beaten by dp or tenden engine option select, yun dp even ex.dp will be beaten by seth's hp.dp, mashing option select tech throw is way too risky, while seth has a spd, hit confirms, and tech throw!
@ #25
Dude, no. The moment he stops that Yun just goes crazy with the command grabs. You can't allow the strongest character in the game to pressure you for free, you've got to show him you got balls and you'll take risks.
Poongko is successful with Seth because of this style. Other Seths have a safer approach and don't get such results.
GG for both for taking the time to do a concept match. Poongko plays his style. With Seth, you gotta take gamble. And Seth DPs beats any Yun OS move. He did lose some rounds off some DPs. But he also won most of them off those DPs and wake up ultras. Anyway, it was a great match. Remember that Daigo also guessed wrong on some of his DPs giving free "punish" to Poongko. It's an improvement for Poongko after their run-ins in the arcade for 22-8. Winner or loser, they are both great champions. This concept match does not take away from their accomplishments.
Poongko 2011 majors.Won in Australia, finished in Top3 at EVO and Top 8 in GG4. He did win a local torueny in Korea as well.
Daigo 2011:won Revelations,won Norcal. Top 5 at EVO,missed out top 8 at GG4, made top 3 at SBO.
@33
So that's why Poongko couldn't win? Machines can't do -true- randomness, after all.
@28
Spot-on.
Seth vs Yun both players standing up is in Yun's favor, or even at the worst case.
Seth vs Yun with Yun on the ground is heavily in Seth's favor. Yun does not have any reversal that can deal with Seth's DP, and even when you guess right and block he can os FADC the follow-up. And that's before throwing SPD into the mix-up.
@FAQU
seriously dude what the f is your problem? trolling everywhere even calling poongko crap? 10-6 is a very convincing result and that poongko choke (the fail dizzy punish) could very well turn the result. If you failed to see a high level play then dont play fighting games...you whine about characters, 3s and now players too? seriously get a life.
@JasonLee
I see that you are still trolling and whining about Yun, good work man good work.
I will admit....Poonko woouldn't be Poonko without the random shoryukens. It pretty much sets him apart from other Seths I've seen...Its hard to coach someone like that because you take away the random stuff and you don't get the same Poonko that has gotten this far.. Hope he doesn't get sponsored then....cause he mite feel more pressure to win and tone down the random tactics and change the mental gameplan.
those shoryus are not all random, in Poongkos case, the majority of time if he got 2 metres he will definitely fadc out of it, sometime he punich dive kick when it hits too high, thus not a true block string and can be punished, sometime he punish backdash after wakeup with dp, some time he does a dive kick, then delay to bait a jab or dp then do a dp of his own to beat it, sometime he just have good guess and do dp to punish normals whiff, only a small percentage he will do a random dp maybe in desperate situations or bad read.
I see alot of people online who does random shoryus all the time, you dont see them have poongko's skill level, not even close.
@faQU
Seriously how old are you? no one said Daigo isnt good, he is one of the best if not the best fighting game player in the world, but that doesnt mean that poongko is crap, like I said 10-6 is a convincing result, and your point of poongko being too random so he is crap is retarded? Read my comment 39 for his reason of being random, if you dont agree then correct me with your opinion, dont just troll on the internet like a stupid teenager.
I didn't watch - but did Daigo put a lid on his excessive command grab guessing? That was one of the main reasons why he got smashed at EVO.
Poongko showed off some tricks I'd never seen Seth use before, and it was a good match. What worked in Daigo's favor was that he started to figure out how to deal with Seth: block low. Seth only really has 2 responses to that: a jump-in/dive-crossup or a throw/command grab. Daigo generally anticipated the jump and knocked Seth out of the air. Poongko relied on his dive kick way too much and didn't adapt quickly enough. After Daigo was 4 or 5 wins ahead, Poongko started mixing it up with throws and command grabs a lot more and immediately started winning matches. Daigo soon started being more cautious about that and at that point the game became fairly even and was more back-and-forth, but the problem for Poongko was that Daigo had adapted quickly and Poongko hadn't made up the difference, it was still 8-6 and once Daigo reached 9 wins there was no real way for Poongko to dominate enough to get the 3-match-streak required to make a comeback.
@faQU
I credited both poongko and daigo because they are the players I respect? how does that make me a poongko fanboy specifically? I credit high level skills where its due, you on the other hand is trolling a retarded scrub who only sees the thin layer from these matches, like I said I only say what I see and you can correct me if you see it otherwise. I'm still waiting for your reasons to why Poongko is crap.
@faQU
Daigo's wins proved he is one of the best if not the best player atm, how does that make any less on Poongko's skills? its not like Poongko the only one who lost to Daigo before, like I siad 10-6 is a convincing result. I seriously doubt your intelect, do you even read your own comment? its nothing but whining and trolling without reasons, opinions or facts, go rot in a corner and die, no one need you to troll and prove that you exist.
'Posted by faQU on September 18, 2011 at 5:13 a.m. #20
poongko was crap, way too random
this whole match was a DP mash frenzy'
The guy said Poongko WAS crap (WAS being the operative word here so read carefully)
So what's the problem with the guys opinion? It isn't like he said Poongko IS crap
@faQU
I seems to me that you are a Daigo fanboy and trashing poongko, I on the other hand respected both players.
@faQU
Again you are the one who cannot backup yourself, from the comment you wrote I can already tell what a ignorant and arrogant fool you are, this is not the first time you trolled, just to show that you seriousy have a mental problem.
@faQU
Again like I said, back up your own comment, Poongko suck? untill you give me your opinions or reasons, then admit you are a troll and shut the hell up.
Technically, arguing reasonably is a waste of time only when one or more of the participants is completely stupid and/or unwilling to listen, internet or real life.
But we are on eventhubs, where uneducated idiots and couch warriors present their strong minded opinions as facts.
I guess I am wasting my time by making constructive arguement to a complete retard that is faQU, where I am the only one who backs up what I say with experience in the game, until some1 proves me wrong or have their own opinions, welcome to comment.
what they need to do is bring back the old godsgarden rules. everyone does first to ten. we need poongko, daigo, fuudo, nemo, shiro, kazunoko, rf, Nekojita, sako, uryo, iyo, mochi, mago and whoever else i forgot to mention. they need that godsgarden back just like the old rules qualifying then they do first to 10 sets. loved it show me more
As Poonkgo said himself "Gamble Seth". Though when he didn't capitalize on that stun to end the game that was a big momentum killer in my opinion but it was a great set none the less and i can't wait to see more concept matches from high level Japanese players.
just respect the players, i bet daigo and poongko give a sh*t, about you talking, which player is better or did that mistake blahblahh
just enjoy and appreciate that both of them took the time for this ft10.
i really hope we see more of this.
uryo is the king
You can kind of learn what of kind of player faQU is just by reading his comments. He's either overly aggressive and instead of overwhelming the opponent he overwhelms himself. Or he plays keep away and ends up backing himself in the corner to get beat. Yes...I'm weird.
I wanna see Fuudo/Mago. Maybe I'm a masochist, but I love watching mirror matches.
No Disrespect to anyone, but i think its kinda funny that people who cannot compete with Daigo or Poongko assume they know strategies to beat them.
@74
LOL welcome to the world of SF4. theres so much people out there who play keyboard warrior and think they can counter everything Daigo/Poongko does, but when they get down to it, they either choke on a big **** or they were just trolling and realize they suck. it doesnt get better then the worlds best Seth vs the worlds best Yun. i dont see how someone who probably sits at home all day playing worthless online, think they can match up with these two or anyone else in Japanese/American/European/Australian/etc... that are on a pro level.
@22
"These matches are WAYYY better than Sh-t Battle Opera. Hell, I'd much rather prefer these first to 10 concept matches over Evo anyday."
evo is a tournament sbo is a tournament, doing well in a tournament shows your skill vs 100s of people doing a concept match with 1 player proves your better then one player...
if it was not for evo this year you wouldn't even know who fuudo was...
evo / evo after dark gave us many great matches this gave us 1...
@76 Latiff played mainly "worthless online" and he went on to body Daigo. . .
@78
i think you missed my point buddy. you or any other of your friends cant compare to these two. theyre at the highest level of gameplay yet, and people on here are saying things like "Poongko threw out to many random DPs." or Daigo is playing Yun."
these two would destroy anyone in this room. and Latif is 1 out of how many? thats what i thought.
Best bit - Poongko getting cokcy when he stuns Daigo, then ends up losing the round, had me lol.
Every move, a massive combo as expected from the World's best.
They're both great players who deserve the name recognition. Fanboys suck.
@80
You seem to forget Internet logic.
If players who played mainly online - like Latif, who is an exceptional player anyway - can beat Daigo, EVERY online warrior is OBVIOUSLY of the same skill level and can body Daigo as well... because everyone who plays online is of the same skill level.
Duh!
Firstly, I just love the way all these Daigo haters, who claim they don't give a "£%* about Daigo, think he's overrated and what not just flood eventhubs as an article appears about Daigo even catching a common cold, it makes you wonder who his fans really are, lol!
Secondly to the guys telling POONGKO to take less risk, STFU, it's what makes POONGKO, POONGKO, with out it he'd be...well....as good as onlinetony, a fantastic player in his own right but not quite in the league of Poongko! It's just as I thought about Poongko, he's always going to have a risky game relying on heavy guessing in some tournaments against quality opposition such as Shadoloo it might pay off but in the long run where you'll have to outguess 3 or 4 quality opponents to take the title like in EVO or Godsgarden, it ain't gonna happen, at least not regularly!
Looking at their recent match-ups, it only confirms to me what I had suspected all along from EVO, given the way Daigo has had Poongko,s number recently, Daigo was just overawed by the occassion that led to him being totally destroyed by Poongko, a fate that does not seem likey to occur as the beast has downloaded him.
In closing, this was a great set, I hope to see more matches in this format as opposed the one we saw at GOds garden or the overrated SBO!
Lol @ anyone who thought any less of Daigo after EVO and lol @ anyone who thinks any less of Poongko now considering the score was 8-6 before Daigo closed it out. It's so annoying the way people overreact to every single result, but 90% of sports fans do the same thing, so it's no surprise.
Only 31 minutes???? Dame that was fast considering the fct that some of the GodsGarden Online matches where the score was 10-5 took hours to finish up.
Good Set. Daigo is without a doubt the best SSF4 AE player in the world. Fuudo has said it, and he won Evo; Kazunoko has said it; etc... The only people who constantly think this guy should hang it up, are right here on eventhubs, lol.
What is the argument between and Poongko and Daigo. Daigo is better, watch the matches, he won 10-6 and outplayed poongko all around. Even in the matches he lost, only a few came about where poongko actually played the better style.
What I thought was great was the new strats that Daigo brought out. Lunge Punch into focus backdash was sick - to bait Poongko mashing uppercut. Daigo was doing all sorts of awesome baits to beat Poongkos mash style. Poongko had to resort to wakeup ultras - not reaction, btw, - just random wake up ultras, and daigo even started baiting those.
I was really impressed by the play here. It's sad that everyone here thinks one of these guys is overrated; they are both a lot better than you. From these matches, you would have to be blind if you think that Poongko is a better player. He has great execution, but he wasn't outplaying daigo at all.
@ #98
When the ones who win Evo, GodsGarden and SBO say that he's the best player, you've got to be the umpteenth random hater to deny it.
Being the best doesn't necessarily translate to winning everything, in case you missed it.
Go back to losing to scrubs on xbl.
@97 I agree that Daigo is probably the best AE player in the world, but "without a doubt" is a bit strong. After all, tournament results don't mean nothing. I'd say Fuudo, who won EVO and Godsgarden (a tournament in which Daigo didn't even make the top half of the field), has a strong claim to that title, regardless of his personal feelings.
Nothing screams I'm a scrub and idiot like the old "Yun is broken" line. Let me guess, you're that guy with the 22% disconnect rating online? lol.
Fuudo and Kazunoko have said Daigo is the best because he is doing stuff that no one else can do. Kazunoko said he is the Yun that everyone copies from and is on another level.
Why would anyone here no more than these guys?
@104 Except, according to Ryan Hart, Kazunoko vs. Daigo Yun looks like virtually an even match-up. You can't really just take the word of great players to determine who the best players are. You also need to take into account tournament and ladder standings. Daigo isn't clearly the best player based on these objective standards.
@105, lol, because Ryan Hart saw them go even on 2 occasions while in japan 4 months ago, they're even? They play long sets all the time, and according to Kazunoko, Daigo wins a lot more. Who are you going to believe, Ryan or the guy that actually plays against Daigo?
Ryan always hates on Daigo for some reason. Fact is, Ryan is king of excuses. Take anything he says with a grain of salt.
@107 Even the people actually playing the games in long sets miscalculate how well they're doing. A few weeks ago, WakeupSRK featured a discussion of this phenomenon. Viscant referenced a time when he played someone (I forget who, exactly) in a long set and felt like he did badly, but it was actually even.
That's part of the reason you can't just take players' words for it. You have to look at the results. Daigo is certainly not head and shoulders over the rest of the field by this standard.
Fivec, lol:
So wait a second, you're saying that even though Kazunoko says he loses more to Daigo, he really doesn't? It's all in his head? Right...
Using Vicant is silly, he might have been playing badly, lol. He could of had his whole team beaten every single time, then made a comeback the Dark Phoenix. Then he might of been playing badly and still have come out even.
Listen to Kazunoko talk about his GJ combos. If he doesn't hold Daigo in the utmost respect, I don't know who does.
Look, i am not saying that Daigo is head and shoulders above the rest, but when i watch his games, he definitely has a much more technical approach than any other Yuns out there. The other great players are saying he is the best, and places high at every tournament he enters - top 5. So, just being logical, i think it's safe to say he is the best; or at least one of them. To me he seems a cut above...
I think it's retarded to say he sucks; overrated; only good because of broken character; etc...
How many good Yuns are there outside of Japan? ZERO. That's probably the most annoying thing about Yun hate. There are absolutely no solid Yun's outside of Japan.
@110 Yes, I'm saying it's possible that Kazunoko says he loses to Daigo but it's actually even. That's not a crazy or even prohibitively unlikely suggestion.
I already said that Daigo is probably the best AE player, so I obviously believe that he's at least among the cream of the crop. To say that he is "without a doubt" the best player, is stretching it. That's all I'm saying.
@faQU
First you say Daigo is the better player now you trash him? Im seriously confused to what ground you are standing, or do you just seek attention and trash everything for fun?
@114
SBO is a big tournament that most pros will try to get into, doesnt matter if the format is good or bad, to win a SBO is a life time achievement no doubt, it will look good on any fighting game player's profile, Daigo almost didnt participate maybe due to some reasons but still participated in the end right?
@116 Yes, he did. I suspect that was due to pressure from the tournament organizers, honestly. It seems very fishy to me that they gave 2 spots to same-day qualifiers, making for 33 qualifying teams, if there weren't ulterior motives, like making allowances for the highest profile SF player, who has said that he would attend EVO over SBO every single time if forced to make a choice, to compete in the tournament.
So in addition to featuring a laughable format, SBO is also a disgracefully run tournament.
@FIvec. He had no initial plan to attend. Remember that he did not attend any preliminary qualifiers. I wonder what made him decide to attend the last qualifier(his team eliminated Gamerbee's team and others). His manager maybe? After the Kumite, team madcatz will be attending NSB on the 23rd.It seems like they are making him play a lot +the book deal he advertised last month.
As far as his status, he is one of the best no doubt. Fuudo won two majors(EVO,GG), Tokido(2(Elive+CEO),Poongko(Australia). Daigo won 2 (REV,NORCAL). I am just amused that people expect the top players not to lose at all. Hell, Tiger Woods hasn't won anything in a while. Kobe doesn't win every time. Lebron has yet to win. In fighting game, the measure of a player is the consistency.
At the moment, Fuudo and Daigo have the edge as being the top 2 players of the moment. Fuudo have the slight edge because of the significance of both EVO and GG.
One game single elim is a lot of fun but clearly doesn't always end up crowning the best player as champion. But in anything as competitive as SF4 has been, it's basically impossible to determine who the best really is. You'd have to have all of the best players play at LEAST FT10 if not FT25 sets all against each other on the same day or weekend, and even then some players are gonna have off days, and there are always bad character or style match-ups. What does the "best" even mean? Most consistent in tourneys? The guy who is less consistent but on his best day is untouchable? The player who can adapt to any style? If two players have the same results, should we respect technical skill, mind games, or guts/clutchness the most? I appreciate the guy who brought up the sports analogy (although I think there are better examples, those are good enough). I feel like being a serious athlete or even a serious sports fan can give you a different perspective on some of this stuff. Golf is a really good example, but let's instead just take the case of Tiger's pre-meltdown career. He didn't win even close to every tournament - it's just not possible in golf. You're competing against like 120 people at each tournament, 120 of the best in the world. Golf is a LOT more competitive than SF, but golf tourneys give the players a lot more actual gaming time to separate themselves. And, like SF, golf has a massive element of randomness - if you are feeling a little off on the first day and hit the ball into the woods on the second hole, that could send your entire tourney into a downward spiral. There's the weather to consider, different players' strengths shine on different courses, and the game by its nature is a game of millimeters. Tiger had two different four year runs that are considered far and away the most dominant results by any golfer ever. He won roughly (but less than) 50% of the 32 major championships in those periods, and he has had many other seasons where he won 1 or 0 majors. Daigo's run in SF4 has been, all factors considered, about as impressive as Tiger's in our world. Of course Daigo isn't unbeatable, but he's won the most and soundly defeated just about everybody at some point. If Fuudo continues at near this pace (which I doubt he will) for another year or two, he could become the Nadal to Daigo's Federer. Barring that, I think too many of the best players have started moving on from AE or will within a year or two as new games come out, so Daigo's legacy as "the best," tourney result wise, is pretty safe.
i thought the random shoryukens got him this far. Hes crazy talented, but i dont think quite as skilled as Daigo or Fuudo, but the risks he was willing to take and the crazy pressure is hard to handle. Hes great at making opponents crack. I think in terms of footsies, getting in the head of your opponent and the familarity with the matchups, Daigo wins everytime.
Neutral jump FTW. You can see Daigo shutting Poongko down with neutral jumps and high priority air attacks. Fuudo and Latif abused their respective characters' neutral jump during EVO as well. It is like, come on people. Be creative when you are adapting to high level play. I hate it when neutral jumps determine the winner.
If anyone cares: Someone on youtube translated what Poongko said after the FT10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXU4v9...
"I had a bit of greed to win. To speak the truth, I came into this fight not expecting to win. It was a relief that I didn't lose by double score (10-5) or even (10-0) so it turned out better than I thought. At the tournament (EVO), I thought I had a lot of luck on my side. However, I will still continue to do my best."
Awww, it's a stream. Cool anyways, was hopping for some HD direct feed quality.