Tip from Rafael2487, y.kececi and Fawaz.
Pretty decent video, Joe was reasonable enough and Seth handled it all well. Betting these 'additional modes' will be practically non existent though lol
good video but I felt at times he was just shrugging Seth's comments off and not paying attention. But as far as I'm concerned if a little is good then more must be better!
BTW anyone know the name of that tune at the end of the video?
thanks
This is pretty good info. Hype for new modes, stages, characters and balance etc. Can't wait for ultimate. I bought the special edition of vanilla Marvel 3 and I am in no way upset with Ultimate.
#4
But the Street Fighter team didn't have to work with Marvel, so therefore their tasks was much more simple. SSF4 AE was actually weak. All they did was added clone characters with a few different moves.
It's kind of funny that SSF4 came out with 10 new characters, then SSF4 AE came out a year later to give us 4 clone characters lol. But no one complains about that.
Angry Joe didn't conduct the interview well (as always) and lacks the basic etiquette of letting someone else finish before speaking. He's also complaining about modes, I'm pretty sure that most people only care for training mode, improved netcode, spectator, replay, maybe additional challenges. (Combo challenges, not events)
@7
You are correct, I said this when they'd announce the game. It makes sense, not only that, they are also scheduling games around Activision Marvel games as well. Notice how they are never released in the same month just to place attention on that game.
(I didn't know Fox News cared about games anymore, interesting)
#6 I agree I bought the CE and I'm not butt hurt at all hopefully DLC those missing 8
Wow, what a waste of an interview. You really just wanted to get him on camera so you could argue and whine about stuff that is basically set in stone at this point? Waste of Killian's time, too. At least he was decent enough to humor your crybaby ass.
Uh, is it just me or did he just keep repeating the same stuff?
"What about Vanilla Marvel players?" (Answer: They'll buy ultimate) "What about new modes?"(buy Ultimate and find out) "Is it more a character expansion?" (Buy ultimate... but yea)
After 6 minutes.. that was basically the whole interview
Man, would it kill Joe to actually make eye contact, not stare off into the distance, and not cut off Seth's sentences when he's speaking? I can forgive looking at his notes for the next question since that's important but god damn, show a little common courtesy to Seth.
Seth took the time to answer his questions but it almost felt as if Joe was more focused about being sure that Seth is aware that Angry Joe is Angry.
However, this video does have some benefits; Joe was able to get reasonable and good answers to all of his complaints and questions, which should hopefully (but probably not) keep all the blind raging idiots at bay.
You MvC3 fanboys aren't making any sense. Angry Joe was kinda rude... but his name is Angry Joe, Derr. Angry Joe made Seth work hard on his answers, and thats what I like to see. Most interviews, they can get away with 2 sentences for a answer.
And I'm not paying $40 for dumb stages, and online features that should of been in the game, the characters are great, but I only interested in Strider. but a better netcode is great. Please knock down the price of the game.
did people forget that vanilla sf4 didnt have alot to start with and that mvc3 takes more power to run and has more data which is why we dont have alot of modes and I really dont care for alot of modes give me arcade,training/vs and online thats all I really use
I'm not a fan but I wouldn't mind to unleash him on Tameem Antoniades
#33 don't worry Gene and Megaman will be DLC for 10 bucks so they can make even more money.
Oh did you guys know they planned on having 20 characters for 40 bucks instead of 12 chars? Oh yea thats 8x5 = 40 bucks more we're paying :) ..Oh and did you know they would probably have Megaman & gene in that version? Did you know Cashcop wanted money fast and rushed this game?
:D gonna watch the interview now.
@anon1010
and that would make you a Capcom d*** rider because you like them the same way you like the sun for giving us light and heat which ofcourse means you are a sun d*** rider lol
@27
i totally agree with you dude. i do admit he was rude but he had to get the truth out of him. i mean all Niitsuma does is Lie. he lied about mega man and stupid tsunami excuse. mostly because there are happy go lucky ppl asking him questions. i felt like seth was being honest to him, in order to reach a understanding. Imo seth should of took the time to talk with him just because there are a decent amount of ppl tict off about this (i mean just look on joes video rant and you see how many thumbs up he gets). now sales might change because of this video.
lastly i blame marvel even more now. they just care about there marketing for their characters. probably just want the game to come out before ghost rider or some other game they got in development.
Haha he was in such an attack mode. But im glad he had the balls to rub it in Seths face though. Not saying its his fault, but some of the dumb stuff thats been going on with CC should have been noted
But w/e 12 chars, even though I dont know 9/12 (so 15 bucks) im still excited for it. Does freaking suck cause im sure 4 years from now we'd still find better teams.
Who knows Wolverine / Akuma might be the worst duo in a year or two but we'd be playing turbo super ultimate marvelous marvel speed crack edition 3 by then. Loveit tho
Lets face it,the only Major complains of haters are the characters, nothing else. Why do people want mvc2 characters so much? Its just gonna make ,mvc3 a freakin clone of mvc2 with nothing new. Seriously, grow up whinners.
Yawn. An interviewer whose so caught up in his own internet persona that he has no concept of professionalism at all. We can do better.
I think if I wasn't going to by Ultimate anyway, I would now just because I hated how this was handled. Hard questions are one thing, but this in my opinion lacked class.
The UMVC3 Defense Squad is so quick to point out things like "you're getting more characters than SSF4," "the retail cost is less than DLC would be," and "Mega Man sux lol." And ordinarily, they'd be right. We wanted a big update, and that's what they're doing. BUT... the bottom line - the principle of it - is that the content they're giving us is one step forward, two steps back, and it's hard to get hype for that. We wanted new stages, and they're giving us old ones with different weather conditions. We were VERY SPECIFIC about which characters we wanted, and they pretty much ignored that, except maybe Strider and Vergil. We wanted spectator mode, which they're giving us, but if the MVC3 dev team's track record is any indication, it'll be broken out of the box and it will be a while before they patch it. We wanted an uglier HUD and UI, and... oh wait, NOBODY ASKED FOR THAT.
And let's keep in mind that new characters, etc. take a while to develop, and the announcement coming this soon is a sure sign that this was planned from the get go. They half-assed their DLC plans because they knew what was coming. They're not even trying to hide the fact that they're out to make a buck. The difference between this and SSF4 is that with UMVC3, we are taking adopting the new game as a given, but we're essentially paying for Capcom's mistakes... only to find that they're making new ones. People wouldn't be scrutinizing it so much if there weren't things there to scrutinize, and you don't see that with SSF4, at least not with as much passion.
And argue all you like about nobody caring about/playing Mega Man, you know deep down it ain't right. And Capcom ought to know, too.
agree with #42, so sad use to play the other marvel vs capcom games everyday until niitsuma got his hands on the series or should i say tvc, and now he has made mvc3/umvc3 tvc2 i would like to say.
anyone know the name of the song at the end of the video?
cadnexus: "It's kind of funny that SSF4 came out with 10 new characters, then SSF4 AE came out a year later to give us 4 clone characters lol. But no one complains about that."
No one complains about AE? You and I must be visiting different EventHubs. The company is in damage control mode on it as we speak, putting together a free update.
So basically what Seth is saying is "I think your love for the game will overcome your hate for everything we've done wrong" and he's right in a way. Anyone who plays MvC3 is gonna buy ultimate and none of us are going to be happy that it lacks features or that we're paying an extra $40 for a game we should of had before, but because it has spectator mode and more characters and it overall better than MvC3, we'll still play it. He didn't say it outright but it's well known this is just a Capcom money grab. I personally don't mind what they've done with the game but I do mind paying $40 on top of the $60 i payed before. Collectors edition buyers better get SOMETHING out of all this.
@49 They aren't in damage control they are patching the game because of certain characters. The type of complaining AE gets isn't the same complaining UMVC3 gets. AE is getting complained at for the twin's brokeness. UMvC3 is getting complained about for coming out to early.
It's funny how people pit the MvC series and the SF series against each other like they're not made by the same damn company. LOL. Thanks for playing!
@44
You are SOOOO Right dude.
Seth gave some of the most run-around answers in this interview and Joe knew it. I honestly don't get why everyone is getting on Angry Joe so much for calling out how crappy this game has been handled. The dude spoke volumes for a lot of disappointed fans in his rant about it and I;m glad someone popular in the community finally called BS instead of just running along with it. Big props to Joe. You cant pour syrup over sh*t and call it a pancake, and thats exactly what Capcom is doing with MvC3. MvC2 was epic so I coulda' waited years longer for better installment to top it. Patience always pays off in the end.
thats the first time i seen seth uncomfortavle in an interview.
Some of you guys are such tools :/. Sure 40 bucks in the end compared to howlong we'd play it is nothing, but that doesn't mean Capcom isn't a lazy as shiiiii, nor does that mean that there should not be a certain LEVEL OF QUALITY you;'d expect.
Open your eyes and look at pretty much EVERY OTHER fighter out in the market. MK9..BB..Tekken Gives Patches..Balancing..Endless Costumes for FREE.
BB had a 12+ hour story mode..+ Arcade mode..+ a superrrrrr advanced tutorial mode..+ a trial mode..+ insanely unique characters..+ great netcode..+ Amazing button layout + amazing unique modes. Seriously, they are spending 0 time on some of these CC games. They don't even have a tut mode for beginners..they spend 0 time on a story..Online is crap (Mvc3) glitches everywhere..Come on man.
Im gonna buy UMVC3 and im excited but some of you guys saying that its a good deal and they are heading in a good direction makes me wonder if anyone played any other games.
@44 When you got to talking about Characters you wanted this is what me & everybody else who isn't salty heard.
@55
Not trying to start an argument with you bro, but why buy UMvC3 with all the great points you brought up about the other games? Thats exactly WHY Capcom is going to uphold this cash cow release pattern with their titles because people still buy their stuff even tho' they know it's a barebones release. You know this release still seems very lazy so WHY SUPPORT IT BY BUYING IT? Otherwise I totally agreed with you on everything else you mentioned.
Mvc3 could have had 15 characters with four stages and it still would have sold well
My question is why in hell do they make Collector's editions for SF4 & MvC3 when in a couple of months they are gonna release an updated version & render the previous game obsolete. I don't blame the people who don't buy Capcom games right away, like the people saying they won't buy SFxT when it comes out because in a few months we'll surely get an update to that as well.
I think if people are upset about capcom releasing umvc3 9 months after the original then they should simply not buy it. None of joe's complaints will ever be considered if Capcom sees they've earned a profit so all he needs to do is not buy the game, simple. Or at least wait until the price drops and get it preowned that way they won't get any of your money.
I have already preordered it and will have as much, if not more fun with this than vanilla mvc3.
@56
And yet another posts my video.
If this keeps up, it's going to end up on the front page of this site.
@#57
Never mind MK9 having within 3-4 months character DLCs (where you should complain even more why they were not in the game already),or BB having both a new edition (CS over CT, with less characters added) and character DLC(still to purchase even aftre free update to CS2).
Or ask people how the very first port of Tekken 6 felt, which also took 3 freaking years to come out, and how many updates it took to become STABLE. And which also had DLC.
Do you people know ANYTHING about Fighters? Because the posters here and Angry Joe does not seem to.
More modes!?!?
GTFO
Is that supposed to make this worth the money???!!
This is what I hate about this situation: half of the people complaining have NO FU<KING IDEA what they're talking about *cough*Angry Joe*cough*
People who have genuine concerns bout this game are drowned out by sum really dumb shiit:
'Oh, if you put in more modes that would be awesome' (super shadow mode+ ftw???)
'oh, if you could play online with vanilla users that wouldn't split the community' (ni**a please, how many times, honestly, have you played super online since AE dropped, EVEN IF YOU PREFERED SUPERS BALANCE??????)
The character situation is what it is, can't please everyone...
Then you got those as$holes who STILL act surprised after a fighting game gets updated, after 15+ years of Capcom doing the SAME SH!T
Look, I'm not defending UMVC3, I got my issues with the game myself, but retarded sh!t like that interview and some of these comments really needs to stop.
#44
Megaman would be great for the casual players, but players who are invested in the game and in the competitive community don't care if a new character is Megaman or if its John Wayne. The simple fact is that how the character plays is much more important than how the character looks.
Look at Spencer who got so much bad drama after he got announced. Now he is one of the most memorable and beloved characters in the game, not because of his looks, but because of how he plays and because how strongly he plays. If your a casual player who plays the game for fun, then I can see how you would blindly ask for Megaman, but your asking that in a website where we are committed to the competitive side of the game.
@60
right with you brother.
in the words of Obama "it's time for a change" oh and "and with your support, we can get there"
@70 I'm not mad, thats basically what you are suggesting with thi game. If this game does not sell well, it doesn't only affect the MvC franchise, it effects all the other fighting games capcom MIGHT have planned for the future. PLus if this does flop, you think marvel is willing to let them try again? People could even possibly lose their jobs. What you said was selfish and ignortant and it saddens me to know we have sh*theads like you in this community
@71
if people lose there jobs/marvel cuts ties capcom its nobodies fault but there own. Capcom should know better then to pull a move like they did with umvc3 not to mention that capcom is alot more in touch with the community then many other developers. they should honestly know better.
this is business people. theres a reason inafune left. the capcom you love is actually that biker boy your girlfriend thinks about when she touches herself.
Maybe they're trying to release less content, maybe not. Buy it and we might see more additions down the line. Don't and they assume we're happy with what they've given us, and let that be and end of it maybe for a few years.
This is a joint venture between 2 companies mind you, with schedules to keep and compromises to make. We don't like making compromises in out life, why would you imagine they would?
and at the end of the day, they are still another company. they do the thing that makes them money. and if what they do doesn't make them money, they'll switch it up and produce lost planet and PN.03 for a few years. They did it once, they would do it again.
@72&73 You're missing the point. If the game does bad, nobody is to blame but capcom. But to wish the game does bad is just ignorant and selfish. Just because you are salty about the game doesn't mean you should wish and hope it does bad. That's basically me wishing you fail at life, which I don't. Thats just wrong. Thats like me wishing all your hard work in life fails because I wasted a couple of dollars.
@64
MK9 DLC I cant complain about at all if you were to compare any Capcom DLC/New Edition.
I paid $15 bucks for MK9 Season Pass and got: 4 new characters, 15 different costumes for that price...(plus 3 classic fatalities for some of the ninja characters if you didn't pre-order). I dont know about you but in comparison to anything Capcom, I got A LOT out of that $15 this summer on top of what that game already had lol.
Two different companies yeah, but I think most of the frustrations with a lot of people lie in how Capcom not only charges for EVERY little add on, but they're making their previous games obsolete because of it. It's like why bother buying or getting good at their titles, when they will release another version months later? There's hardly any fan or player consideration being shown and I can see why people are getting upset.
#57: I will buy it cause I know I will play it for a great amount of hours, and as I said in my first post for 40 bucks to some of us ..thats nothing compared to the hours we get out of it. Also CC fighters have a tonnnnnn of players. If BB or w/e had a huge scene? Id play that game instead for sure. As a fighter fan, I wanna play the games that a lot of people are playing..discussing..etc. And CC games are my favorite but I am just disappointed at the way things are going and how unpolished everything they produce is. Ironic thing is..they are making the most money too.
But I do hope at least everyone will complain (which they did) and theyll learn from it. I hate a lottt of things such as the beginner friendly mechanism every one of their new games have to their money grubbing shemes, but their games are addicting and everyone plays them so yea :/
Angry wasn't being a dick. He was being honest.
If you all take the sands outta your vags, you will see an angry customer before a member of the Capcom board.
He had every right to look as if he didn't give 2 sh*ts because all Seth was saying was "Yeah.. you did buy the original.. well buy this one(smile)."
Then when Joe asked why the game was being released so soon. Seth says "Because Movie,comics,toys." which shouldn't intertwine with a game at any point of time.
Then Joe asks him why would Capcom do this, Seth says; "It's complicated."
Why would you care at that point in the interview if you're only being told to buy the game and wipe your tears with the original?
I don't know how anyone can say they are doing a good job and that this a value pack, or that they aren't rushing things if you compare CC fighters to ANY other fighter on the market.
Look @ what I said @ 55..or hey I could name the 200x more things Tekken 6 has that this is lacking. But I do love CC fighters, so w/e. The chars are unique, and ill get the money out of my hours.
Props to Seth handling that "Attack Mode" Joe like a champ.
If Joe actually paid attention to updates that specifically said that there will be more modes and what not, then "maybe" he wouldn't be so salty in front of Seth about it.
This guy needs to grow up.
@#53
Yeah, we can argue all day and rant and complain, but Capcom is not a perfect company, and you have to understand the employees have needs to be met as well.
Joe on the other hand didn't consider any thing positive about the game, he's kind of selfish. If Capcom wanted they could simply just make one version of the game, get their 2 million plus copies sold, and never offer more content...Then off to the next project. Then other characters and such will NEVER get in, nor will there be more content for the game. We'll wait another 10 years lol.
@#78
If you bought the DLC before the bundle offer, you paid more per character than anything Capcom offered.
Also, they came out MUCH faster than anything Capcom has put out, which makes the 'gap between releases' argument much stronger.
And the reason to buy the game?
Play it for those FREAKING MONTHS before a new one comes out. And while there are many changes, it's not a complete design overhaul where skill does not carry over.
UmvC3 offers 12 new characters. That alone is worth the money, even if it was DLC or released 5 years later. I am not sure what argument you people have any mnorpe aside from 'hurt my unreasonable feelings'
@76
it honestly should fail. Lets get real, the moment an update/patch/new verison of a fighting game is annouced that current verison is in the trash can, meaning mvc3 lasted 5 months. THey should have just WAITED and released the full verison this fall but o well. THat means thats 60 bucks that could have went to another more deserveing game. If it fails its understandable, it was a stupid move 1 and 2 its gonna compete against some big name titles this holiday season. THink about it, why would i give u another 40 bucks for a complete mvc3 when i can have skyrim, the new batman, gears, etc.
*80 "Then when Joe asked why the game was being released so soon. Seth says "Because Movie,comics,toys." which shouldn't intertwine with a game at any point of time." Thats a load of crap. Capcom is at marvels fingertips. If Marvel told capcom to put in a random chick from a random comic in the game and threaten to end the deal if capcom doesn't, guess what? Either capcom puts the random chick in or the game is off. If marvel wanted the game to come out earlier, Capcom HAD to listen or else we wouldn't be getting this game until next year around this time.
@80 the last thing marvel wants is anything getting in the way of Sega's $hitty Avengers the movie the game that will go into development about a month before the movie itself so yeah i can see why we would have to wait so yeah i can see that being plausible.
@78
Another bullsh!t argument:
'oh, why get good at the game when a new one will come out in a couple of months?? derpity durrrppp'
Yeah, it was really sad seeing all those grandmaster Vanilla players getting bodied by noob juri players in Super... oh wait... Oh and good luck winning ANY matches online if you 'cleverly' waited until AE to get into the IV series.
Also congrats to Seth, 6+ mins without punching that douche in his ridiculous face, looks like a record to me
Damn, I just clicked the video because I saw "interviews Seth Killian" and now I regret it cause the interviewer turned out to be a complete douche that doesn't even pay attention to the person he's supposedly interviewing.
You can tell the guy is just an attention whore that likes to complain just for the sake of it cause he keeps complaining about wrong or inaccurate information. He should at least do his research before making himself look like an idiot.
@#85
You can guarantee those guys pulled in some overtime to make 12 characters,and it's true they could of taken their time, but it would be longer than a 2 years to get extra content. You can guarantee they have other game projects in store that we'll hear about at Captivate next year. Even people saying they wish they release more at a later time would become very impatient waiting on the game. I bet Street Fighter X Tekken will not get an update like MvC 3 did, for the most part the crossovers never get updates.
Capcom is a business it's aim is to make as much profit as possible. Most likely most of the new content was meant to be in vanilla but it got pushed to umvc3 to make a quick buck. If people just sit on their ass and not complain and just accept things the way they are capcom+marvel will milk us for every future release(sfxtekken?). Don't act like capcom is doing you a favour you're paying for it you have the right to show discontent.
@94
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! Not hard to be a smart as$ when your around is it??
I couldn't even be bothered to point out that if Capcom charged the same price per character that NRS did for MK UMvC would actually cost MORE money. Thats not even including the new costumes and stages.
Was THAT smart as$ enough to get you started?!?!
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHA!!!
I give props to Angry Joe for not pulling punches. It's common knowledge that over 90% of video game journalism is nothing more than spineless talking heads who are content to ask questions that are nothing more than propaganda to allow for the game companies to reiterate what they already stated in their press releases.
It's as if these game journalists are content to have any content at all nevermind that all the information is stale and uninsteresting already.
So yeah, props to Joe for actually asking hard hitting questions instead of feeding Seth propaganda questions.
That being said I'm all for Ultimate MvC3. The argument that it's too soon, I counter with this: Super Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact, Street Fighter 3 3rd Strike, and Capcom vs SNK 2.
Each of the above games was released 1 year (or even sooner) than it's predecessor.
Each one of these games, I believe, were worth it.
For 2nd Impact's case, there are still people out there that prefer it over 3rd Strike. The graphics and sound were better than 3rd Strikes and way better than New Generation.
Third Strike really doesn't need much argument since it has been a game that has had such technical depth that new things were still being discovered half a decade later and a healthy competitive scene for nearly a full decade (I don't count the last few years).
Capcom vs SNK 2 should be an even easier argument. CvS1 was garbage. Though still fun at the time, CvS1 had so much wrong with it that became extremely obvious when CvS2 was released. CvS2 had possibly the shortest turn around time since CvS2 I believe was anounced to the world at the CvS1 Japan National Finals.
Short turn around time for games should not be an argument for whether a game is good. Let it be judged on its own technical merit instead of jumping to wild conclusions that it is going to suck.
@97 dude I like mvc3 and I will get umvc3 despite all the stuff that angry joe points out but I will be pissed if there's another version next year. There's other games to buy don't want to end up buying the same game 3 times in 2 years.
After 10 years of making a mvc3 you would expect they would give us an awesome package.
Mixed feelings about this. For one, it's nice to hear someone complain about it (although tbh, I really don't mind paying 40 bucks for something I really love to play), on the other, he acts like a total douche, not letting Seth finish, not listening to him, the hand gestures... Hmm.
The tweaks to balance and characters matter a lot more than stages and who got in. Even the old characters that got in that we know and love have changed fairly heavily in MvC3 and then they get more changes in UMvC3. Look no further than Ironman for a decent example or Jill for an extreme. Stages are just background noise that can be pretty for the first few fights. This version brings new flair to old characters, new tweaks to the overall system, new characters with new ideas, and new tech in general like hyper draining or air xfactor. There are a lot of very large fundamental changes and some very new ideas being implemented. little stuff like modes, stages, and colors are fun for a bit. Seeing how all these new tools and playstyles work is where the fun begins. I'm a supporter, but ony because they are seriously making big tweaks I don't care who is in I care how they play.
@96
Ummmm nooooooo because your last statement holds hardly any water to the point I was making..... o_O. You also could have left out the random laughin' to avoid looking even more like an idiot.
Now stop while your ahead before we have to settle this outside near the jungle gym like real men. :)
*Looks @ name again* CapcomDointhingsRight......smdh -__-....on second thought this kid may just be a little too easy to roast so Imma' let him have this one folks.
in regards to mvc3/umvc3. Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me.
@102
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!!!!
Jesus Christ they were 3 of the most retarded posts in this entire section and that ain't easy.
A grown ass man who can't handle basic arithmetic and wants to play on a jungle gym trying to call somebody else out, funny sh!t
Thanks for 'lettin me have this one' though...
It's obvious who the real fighting game fans are. Fighting games have been getting updates like this forever so I don't even get what the big deal is. You guys are just mad you didn't get mega man and venom huh? Listen Mega man wouldn't add anything special to this game character wise so he would be a waste. If they put in venom, marvel would force them to use the new venom who would end up being another guns character with some symbiote powers which sounds cool, but...
could go wrong pretty easily. Besides I think they want to focus on the characters who have never been in a fighter before.
#105 your another blind fool who thinks megaman will bring nothing new...
1. its all a matter of which megaman they bring in
2. We dont know if he was gonna suck because he is not in the game.
3. Megaman EXE could pretty much take slots of 10 chars because he can just do so much things that its ridic.
4. Your making yourself look bad by bringin up megaman I have yet to see any MM comments on this post yet u want to start a flame war, either way he Angry Joe made a point who dont care if he looked like a Dbag for anything he went up there and asked the questions that ppl wanted to hear like explanations
#107 typo meant to say he doesnt care what u think of him he is still askin what ppl want to hear. He made his rant and wanted the answers and got them. Angry Joe has my respect
Sailing the seas of salt.im looking forward to UMvC3 and getting it day one:P
I think capcom should charge joe the $5 a character it would have cost him to get every character and then the additional charges for the stages. He can stfu about feeling cheated. Its as simple as dont play it if you are against it. Its so disappointing when people with horrible opinions and views get their own shows.
#107 That is true on Joe but he did it in a manner which he himself stated is unprofessional. In Joe's interview with Geoff Keighley at the VGA's he specifically stated that Geoff acted in an unprofessional manner by constantly looking away from Joe and at the celebrities. Well Joe did this quite a few times in this interview and interrupted Seth several times which I thought was very unprofessional. Joe and most other casual fighting game fans don't realize that a disc based release is the best way because you get all of the content for a better price and it helps for fight clubs that don't have access to Wifi for using the DLC (you have to be connected to the internet to use any form of DLC). It also helps for consumer's who can't get DLC because they don't have internet I suppose its okay to leave them out? Disc based releases ensure that everyone no matter what can play and they get the content. This is the way its been done for years and years. Is it the best practice in the world? It depends who you ask really this sort of argument has so many different valid points from different parties that there is no clear cut winner to said argument.
Arguing over something like this is ridiculous. In the end, no matter who argued the loudest, you're all just gonna buy the game and forget about this.
Also, this is one of the reasons why I can't stand angry Joe. He does an interview, but instead of asking important questions like "Do you have any plans to balance (overpowered character[s])?" or "X has been an issue for quite some time now, any plans to fix it?", he just throws passive aggressive insults at Seth (who's in Hyakuretsukyaku range, by the way) and only asks about scheduling issues and single player things. Way to conduct an interview, buddy, have you ever considered reporting for Fox news?
OK, let me rephrase that: You're all going to obtain the new version of the game one way or another, regardless of your stance on the issue now. The same thing happened with L4D2.
@Nyoro
Wow! lol , "negative"?
How about deserved reaction or honest reaction.
Who the hell am i kidding , your a CapCrop as well.
@118
I don't remember you being the one to decide whether i purchase sh*t (UMvC3) or a game worthy of my purchase (Skull-Girls).
Your not God , don't imply that you are.
Calm down & have a seat.
@120
Hostily claims that I think I'm god for making a prediction based on past events
Tells me to calm down.
@122
Based on a "completely" unrelated situation.
Yes.
Your grabbing straws & pushing your own bias on other viewers.
Example:
I can say everyone bought Mario Kart Wii , so everyone is going to buy Hitman Absolution.
It's funny how people can still complain about this matter as if someone died from it. MvC3 was/is fun. At 1st everyones having fun and stuff till later months they find some quirks about it. Nothing seriously life changing, but its still a nuisance. Fans submitted complaints and Capcom listened and not soon after BOOM UMvC3 enters showing how its improved on previous issues. Not enough characters? Hey we got +12! Not enough modes or spectator? You get them now!
Bottom line: This all goes up to choice. Do you want the game or not? Capcom isn't holding you up to gunpoint saying "Buy this game because its better or die!" . Stop taking this so personal as if you invested your life savings into MvC3 and just take what you can get and be happy you have the option.
@116
Those games you listed alone are worth your money at the 60 price tag , more than UMvC3 will be at the 40 price tag.
Heres some more games:
Disgaea 4 , Skull Girls , Uncharted 3 , Sonic Generations , etc.
Left 4 Dead 2 was announced not too long after the release of the first one. People were riled up and complained that they shouldn't have to pay for the release of a game that could easily be DLC. Kinda exactly like what's going on right now. In the end, everyone stopped caring and just bought the game.
Also, I don't see how re-releasing a relatively new game, that would still be at around full price, with a lot of extra content is bad (ex. SSFIV:AE, UMvC3), but re-releasing old games, that can be easily emulated for free, with little new content is fine (ex. Starfox 64 3D, Ocarina of Time 3D).
guys guys guys cant we all get along. if you dont want to support them then dont get it. if you like what there doing then keep supporting them like you been doing(bascally beending over). i for one will not buy this game because i bought my 8 year old nephew the first one for his birthday and now he's sad because he doesnt have the money to get this one, oh and his fav character megaman wasn't in the first one like everyone thought was coming as DLC.i cant buy the game for him this time around because his parents want him to do well in school first. i will always hate them for this X(
The only logical argument with MVC3 and UMVC3 is the 9month life Span of MVC3 if MVC3 becomes obsolete then the Beta was a total waste..... and good for those who don't feel "butt hurt" I mean you get about $10 back for a $60 purchase, so that seems fair, UMVC3 will only be $30 bringing your Grand total to $80 YAY!!!! -_-
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?...
- The above is my response. The idiot moderators of SRK closed it. But if you read it, you'll see my points are pretty much aligned with Seth's comments. I generally like AJ but he's really wrong and off the point on UMVC3. For one you actually get more characters, levels and balance changes than Super did, and I say that as a person who F-ing loves Super.
Anyway ... shameless plug and all that.
0:40 pay close attention to Seths' answer. It is clear this is a marketing set up and Seth did not know how to break it down quick enough but read between the lines here.
Since Marvel is coming out with certain comics and movies next year, they want the game to release sooner to promote them (Ghost Rider, The Avengers, Rocket Raccon comics ect.). Capcom however wanted the game to have time (as Capcom always have.) but apparently Marvel must have forced Capcom againts their will through "licensing blackmail".
"Either we do this now or you'll have to wait longer." This probably did'nt bode well for Capcom and they knew fans would be upset either way, so they took the latter approach.
Verdict: This is Marvel fault. Everything when you look at it points to Marvel (Character seletions, licensing, release dates). MvC3 is nothing but a promotional avenue for them and this is one of the major reasons why we are getting this game so early. I don't believe it's entirly Capcoms fault.
Also lay off of Angry Joe, at least he had the balls to ask the tough questions, I was getting tired fo the "Where's Megaman" questions anyways. Poor Seth is just inbetween this BS.
@132 &133
Yea you are getting more stuff but this isnt just Marvel's fault that the first game was garbage. The number of things that were promised (story, spec modes) that just werent in the game and now its Marvel's fault...maybe that UMvC3 is coming out this fast ok, BUT if Capcom would have took the time and made a decent game most of the things they are offering in UMvC3 could have been DLC. Marvel controls what characters can be used and may have a hand in the release but the actual game is all capcom. So I wont say this is entirely capcoms fault but at the same time I can only take what seth says at face value because I heard similar things when MvC3 was coming out.
There are a few things that are a must in fighting games, before you go on to DLC and crap these things should be taken care of with every company....and I feel that capcom just rushed to get it out and cash in.
/end Rant
I swear.. the comments I read here makes me wonder if Capcom is paying you all.
Doubt it though.
Joe did exactly what needed to be done. He addressed Seth with questions that would be asked by someone who isn't a fanboy, stupid, or gullible.
Even though Seth did nothing but dodge most of them by saying, "Buy the new one and just try it" and "It's complicated."
joe is a moron rude as all hell and all he does is QQ.
if he wants better I wanna see him do it himself and quit complaning about there work. There used to be like NO fighting games coming out much for awhile. now that we have a steady flow ppl wanna whine about it....lamesauce
I don't understand why people are still complaining about Ultimate. The fact is, Vanilla Marvel was released to meet certain deadlines, in fact, all products have some sort of deadline. Many games have things that are left on the cutting room floor. Some are substantial, some are minute. Either way, vanilla was made and they left the door open for DLC. After seeing the game was a huge success, Capcom got the go ahead for releasing more material. They are obviously giving us more than would be feasible in DLC format...admittedly they COULD have done DLC but releasing this much would have been cumbersome. Ultimate is simply a closer version of what Capcom wanted to release in the first place, but that's how the business world works. Sometimes leaving features out is strategic (ala Apple's many ipods and iphones). I believe Capcom really didnt intend a whole new disc release, but it made more sense in the end. And of course they are trying to make a buck...what exactly do you want them to do?
You can have a negative attitude to this game all you want, but they are giving us a good deal. $40 is not a lot for the content. If you REALLY feel it's not worth it, stick with Vanilla. To this day, you can still play Vanilla SF4 online. It's hard to find a match, but it's there. Why? Because the updates provide a better experience, and the masses agreed with their dollars. The same will happen with the majority of Ultimate. Some of you talk like the vast majority of people are angry about Ultimate. So how about you and your "vast majority" stick it to Capcom's profits, stick with vanilla, and your vast majority can play the hell out of Vanilla all you want, and leave us foolish sheep to play Ultimate.
And please stop comparing MvC3 to MvC2. They are two totally different games from far different generations. MvC2 was a game filled to the brim with sprites shoved in from other games with little to no updates to their animations and movesets just for fanservice. It was a fun game full of glitches and issues, but was loved for what it was and was accepted as such because it wasn't a product that was subject to patches. If MvC2 came out today by our standards, it would be considered garbage and a lazy effort and would be tossed aside before people gave it a chance. MvC3 is held to a different standard due to the possibility of DLC and patches because everyone thinks they know what would make the perfect game, and companies like Capcom are running like chickens with their heads cut off trying to keep up. They aren't perfect, so cut them some slack and be happy we have people like Seth that are deeply involved in the community AND in the development arena to help our wishes be heard.
As for Angry Joe, I'm happy that his "angry" persona nets him views...everyone needs a style. But it's embarrassing for him to not know when to be professional when a busy man like Seth takes time to answer his questions and shows him respect.
Why did you EventHubs people draw attention to this? I don't care if it has to do with UMvC3 or not, Angry Joe is a hack and poser. He is not a gamer nor does he properly speak on behalf of them and has no credibility.
To all that actually side with Angry Jack@$$, here's a nice little thread on Capcom-Unity pointing out his stupidity: http://www.capcom-unity.com/marvelvsc...
@42 Cram it you elitist nostalgically blinded @$$ !
@137 As the flipside to your comment, people like you make me wonder if Angry Joe has defenders that come out and defend his image on threads such as this...though I doubt it ; )
Anyway, the point is that regardless of what kind of questions are asked, he should do so with respect. People show their lack of journalistic skills when they can't even hold a halfway professional interview. Sure, Angry Joe isn't a professional, but frankly in that case he has no business interviewing a guy like Seth. Angry Joe gives people in the community a bad name because people who watch him may think he is the typical gamer, and he isn't.
You can ask tough questions without being a jerk, and being respectful is the least you can do for a busy person taking the time out of his schedule to give you an interview to appease the fans.
@138
Namco , Namco Bandai , Sega , Arc System Works , Netherealm & SNK Playmore say aloha. (Lol what a vindictive f*cking fail...)
Also ,most of those companies release more than 2 - 3 series , which is Capcoms limit.
@139
So let me get this straight. Capcom sells an unfinished game with promises to patch some of the things missing, they dont patch anything but still sell some DLC, now 9 months after the release they are going to sell a new one (yes not just their fault Marvel too) with promises that things that were supposed to be in the first game are going to be in it now....yea its only 40 dollars but wanna bet there will be release DLC on the disc. All this crap capcom does and they cant give every character a free alt costume.
And you think people shouldnt complain???
First off all capcom did is make fighting games main stream but when the blew off the fighting game community other companies were still faithful. KoFXIII is selling its game for the same price, re balancing it, adding new characters, adding more costumes and colors and oh yea a color edit mode.
Lets face it if this was a new IP they wouldnt be able to do any of this, but since this is a nostalgic game for many people they can. If the first game was made properly they could have just done DLC, I am glad AJ asked all these hard questions even though he comes off as a casual gamer.
Capcom was never needed to quote "revive the fighting genere". Everyone was just fine.
What was NOT fine was the tournament scene , thats YOUR problems which only YOU can fix.
The tournament scene is not bigger than a genre & hardly effects the overall flow of one.
Capcom CHOOSES to cater to you fanboy bj'ers , whiners & hypicrites because they know you will buy their bs.
Thats the truth. Enough of the bs arguments & excuses.
Capcom is catering to your worthless & pointless minority.
Deal with the truth & grow up.
Community Questions? THOSE WERE THE SAME QUESTIONS YOU ALREADY ADDRESSED IN YOUR VID TO THE NUMBER!!
Good job rolling your eyes at Seth like a pro....
@145
What are all these things that they promised in vanilla that they didn't attempt to deliver? They tried for spectator mode and said they couldn't get it to perform well enough to bother by the deadline. They promised a story mode, and it was lackluster, but it's a halfass story with endings...pretty much what was expected. Nobody promised a mortal kombat quality story mode. This game doesnt provide the material to even create much of a sensible story like MK does. They tried some DLC characters, and i don't know how well they sold, but I didn't notice much noise being made about them. I don't think they were popular choices.
You have to not look at it as "oh well they came out with this 9 months later they should have waited." Ultimate is ONLY coming out because we wanted more. Vanilla was supposed to be THE definitive MvC3 with some dlc characters. We wanted more than they were offering, so they are doing a new disc.
And you can't compare this to KOF13. If marvel had come out in arcades first, it would be getting the same treatment. And yeah, they could waste time adding a color edit mode, but would you really use it? Sure, you could make a different colored hulk, but the dlc costumes in marvel are many times taking on larger modifications aside from just color, such as cyber akuma, or fanfare such as Ghost Rider's fantastic four outfit.
@146
Capcom was needed to revive the fighting genre...at least the 2d side. Tekken and other 3d fighters were going strong, but 2d fighters were pretty much stuck with only numerous updates of Guilty Gear and KOF, and even those were fizzling out as far as future production prospects. Thanks to SF4, the market is looking more lucrative for everyone again. In fact, your whole comment was backwards. The tournament scene was the part that was fine lol. The tourney players were still rockin Third Strike, MvC2, and even Super Turbo after all these years, and nobody was really complaining. The revival has grown the FGC tremendously, but the tourney players would have kept playing as they were whether SF4 came about or not.
And why wouldn't Capcom somewhat cater to the tourney scene minority, aka the loyal fans who stuck with them through thick and thin? That just makes sense because the casual gamers will buy whatever as long as it's a solid product. So you might as well cater a bit to that "minority" since it tends to be the little things that are easily to implement or fix that appeases them, and the casuals will accept those things regardless.
@149
Yea because no one likes to customize characters everyone loves using the same damn colors over and over. And I dont know you expertise in Japan but I live there and they really dont give a damn about Marvel, Marvel was made for an American audience. If they couldnt get spec mode to work they should have waited and done it right. Yea MK has a lot of extra stuff that other people might not care about but at least they try, same with Tekken (which is actually number 1 in the arcades here) you get tekken force mode or tekken bowl which is stupid but its free and fun.
I cant be a capcom fanboy when all they do is give us less and sell us more, I am willing to bet if you asked games if a free color edit mode would be appreciated I think you would find more people siding with me
@150
I'm sorry, i should reword a couple of points. I more brought up the color edit and did a segue into defending capcom's course of just selling more full-on costumes instead of offering a color-edit/palette swap mode. Something like that could have been included..though personally i feel something like that would have been more appropriate for 3SO, and we see what happened there, ended up charging for it lol. I agree that's kinda dumb.
And when I brought up Marvel going into the arcade, i only did because i was saying that the only reason Kof 13 is getting all these changes before release is that it had an arcade scene initially to develop it, find balance issues, and provide time for new characters. That's the only reason that a decade ago, nearly every game that went to arcades first ended up coming to console with additional characters or features. Nowadays with the arcade scene dead, most fighting games go straight to console, leading for that initial release to be a "vanilla" as it were. So it's the same thing thats always been done, it's just that back in the day, the "vanilla" was the arcade version, and you never had to buy it. Nearly every fighting game has a vanilla. Tekken 5 and 6, VF4 and 5, Blazblue, Guilty Gear, SF, now Marvel...etc. Honestly, Mortal Kombat and NRS is one of the only ones trying to give the consumer as much choice as possible and as much support through DLC and patches, and that has been a mess at times because as they found out the hard way, not everyone has to accept your changes when you make it a choice like that, and it really hurt their online experience. I barely even keep up with MK because they are constantly have to patch this and bandage that. Too much freedom of choice with this stuff wrecks the experience online, which we need nowadays.
I wouldn't bring up MK in an argument because MK9 is the first game that has had a decent fighting system in years, and thats partially due to the fact that they focus a bit TOO much on the extras and not the substance. Even still, their inexperience with the actual system shined through even in MK9. They added alot of features from current fighters such as EX moves and xrays for supers just to bring it up to speed, but their lack of experience with things like frame advantage led to numerous issues that had to be patched out almost immediately. Capcom fighters have those issues too, but not nearly as much as MK was having.
@150
I agree that 3SO could use something like the pallet swap or color editor too, but I also meant SF4 And MvC3, just because these games have an already established fan base they dont give us any extras or content hell even intensives to play the game you just have to buy everything.
The thing about Kof is they know that they dont have the power and weight to go toe to toe with capcom so they played it smart waiting for capcom to announce AE so that they wouldnt have to compete and making a tone of changes and adding a tone of features to the game. Yea I know what you mean arcades allow for devs to see what needs to be re balanced for home release, but look at KOF the game came out more than a year ago in the arcade and they WAITED to get things right. Capcom just rushed the game finished the dev and now anything that was supposed to be in there is going to be sold to us again as UMvC3.
As for MK I was a bigger fan for capcom but now i really dont care about either, I just like what MK is doing from a business standpoint their fighting system was always there just not what people wanted. Some people consider SSB Brawl a fighting game and that doesnt even register on my radar.
The whole point of this is capcom should go above and beyond what is "acceptable" for a full game, not only because its what its competitors are doing but because its what their fans deserve, yea I know it sounds like I think we are entitled to this, but arent we? We buy collectors editions, wait years for games now to have annual games with low content and DLC
@153
I agree that it's nice to have extra content in there. It's just a matter of priorities and resources. Capcom hasn't really had an awesome single player mode since Alpha 3's World Tour mode. Once online came, it became more about making sure online is on point. That's just Capcom.
As far as Capcom "rushing" a game, they have deadlines to balance not only amongst that actual game (and in this case also working with Marvel's deadlines to fall in line with their own marketing), and not only Capcom's other fighters, but also the rest of the Company's numerous IP's. Pushing a deadline to properly put in a (in the grand scheme of things) a fairly unnecessary but much welcomed feature like spectator mode...that won't fly with the Capcom execs for a delay that will effect their earnings. I know I'm focusing alot on the business side making excuses...but that's how it goes sometimes. The final product was MvC3, Ultimate was never supposed to happen. Same with SF4...Super was never supposed to happen, nor was AE by any stretch.
Heck, they already said that they wanted Ultimate to have even more characters, i think 60 altogether. But they had to cut them out because it would have delayed the product too long. They need this game to be released before SF x T so it doesn't hurt that game's initial release, and they need to release SF x T this fiscal year, plus i'm sure they want ultimate in time just for the holiday rush too. It sucks I know...I would have LOVED to have Doc Ock, and his damn name is even on the disc already. Just the casualties of the cutting room floor. I'm just happy we are getting Ultimate. Personally, I would have paid a full 60 for it. The changes already look great so far, and it looks like they are really taking the time to analyze the balance issues from vanilla and giving us an amazing product...and they havent even shown the capabilities of the other six.
@156
I get the whole priorities thing too but I feel as if capcom has been taking advantage of these priorities for a while not only with fighting game but with their other games as well on disc DLC on games that were really lacking in content.
As for the whole MvC3 thing, if you have online play spec mode is a must I cant think of another fighting game (no matter how crappy the netcode) that didnt have a spec mode, if features like that are missing then the price of the game should be dropping. As for Super was supposed to happen...I cant believe that I think they were surprised by the numbers but most of the characters that were rumored to be in the original were just sent to super.
Now the thing I dont get is with annual games and DLC how come capcom doestn have enough resources to make the games (complete) on time. If they were just making the games annually with content I wouldnt mind yearly releases. If they were just making one game and just kept giving free balances but adding characters and costumes at DLC I would be ok with that too but both...that just being greedy.
I dont know if I am getting Ultimate, for sure KOF but capcom I keep giving them money when they are doing things that piss me off, I mean you said it the best you would be willing to pay 60 dollars for this right? well its because that this is actually a complete game unlike MvC3 (which was 60bucks)
yeah, lets complain, because it would be so much better if they sold us tons of patches via dlc, we would have the fun of paying more and not having the package.
those greedy bastards selling us the game with 12 new characters, new stages and modes at 66% of the price.
wow 66% of the price in 9 months of the original.....so within one year most of us will have paid 100 (more if taxes) and thats just for the reg version. Now add in DLC or collectors editions and thats more money. So within one year I will have paid 100 dollars for two games (one crap and one the finished product) but because we get the game at 66% its all ok you go ahead and pay what ever capcom tells you fanboy
Yup, gotta B honest, I didn't buy MvC3, cuz I knew capcom was gonna try 2f*ck U guys all in da @ss. U all deserve it 4 trusting ca$hcom so willingly after knowing that this is wat they do. Now perk up, bend over and enjoy capcom's package for U. I can't wait 4 UMvC3(Marketing vs Cashcom). I kinda wish that the Guardians of the Galaxy had gotten better representation thou, seriously Y not Adam Warlock & Starlord? or Drax & Quasar?
I'm sorry I just don't care much 4 Nova or RR. I mean how can U respect a guy that misses point-blank shots in a mech.
=D
@105 so what you're really saying is " I get raped all the time! I don't see what the big deal is. :-p" I swear, this community's love for fighting games can blind them from all crimes.
InitialR the only person that is ignorant and selfish is you. You've got Capcom's junk so far up your ass they are using you as a sock puppet. People will lose their jobs if this game doesn't sell well? Lolol. Let's see, there's Street Fighter, RE series, DMC.... I don't think CC will be hurt if one franchise dies. (i.e, see Dino Crisis).
I hope this game doesn't sell well. I love fighting games as much as the next guy here but I can't condone the business aspect of what they did. And anybody within Marvel and CC who stood by this business scheme deserves to fail. At least then, they'll do the right thing the first f*cking time.
only 6 mins , damn I'm angry