Electronic Gaming Monthly posted an interview with Capcom's Yoshinori Ono concerning Poison's gender. The discussion starts from her somewhat humble beginnings to how she's blown up as a pretty popular character in her own right as of late. EGM: In talking to members of the trans community who have an investment or general interest in the character of Poison, one major concern I’ve heard has come from some of the videos shown for Street Fighter X Tekken in regards to win quotes. For example, in one video that was shown, both Ryu and Chun-Li made statements toward Poison regarding her not being a “real” woman in one way or another.
Capcom rep: Can I jump in really quick on this one? Those win quotes came from an earlier point in the game’s development, and while we haven’t publicized it too much, we’re actually working very closely with GLAAD. We’re very sensitive as far as not wanting to alienate anybody as Ono-san said, so we’re trying to be careful in that regard. It’s been an education process for us, but we do want people to know that we’re now working with GLAAD to make sure that anything that might be offensive has been very tailored to not be.
EGM: Ah — I’m really glad to hear that.
At the end of the day, in the entertainment industry, you can’t go about willy-nilly and not be sensitive to these sort of things. Our goal here is to make sure we’re caring for all of our audience members, and make sure we’re not stepping on any toes. We want to make sure that the Poison fans out there—no matter which way they see her—are satisfied that the character is being portrayed in a way that suits their idea of the character, but also in a way that isn’t insensitive or demeaning in any way. So, we do take our responsibility in matters like this very seriously, and want to make sure we’re as inclusive as possible.
Submitted by Boba and Virtua_Kazama.
Hope u guys are carefull with this, since we know that Capcom has been stupid with their steryotypes like T.Hawk, Gief, Fuerte, Dudley(3S)maybe? and more
She started as a female, but then women where getting beat by their husbands or whatever in the usa and they changed her to a man in final fight, then all this bs started...
Wow, GLAAD is working with everyone on anti-bullying, whether it's WWE or Capcom. Or even more...
I don't care if Poison is transgender or whatever. I care about whether she'll be fun and effective to use in SF x Tekken and also if those rumors of Hugo and Poison being in SSFIV AE 2012 are true...
Im glad everyone will mind their manners before they beat the tar out of each other.
Jesus tapdancing Christ.
Just forget about the ancient history Final Fight gender controversy and make her a damn woman. No one cares anymore if you put women enemies in games, like they might have cared back then, which led to all this stupid ass-covering crap.
Poison is a woman. I have never seen Poison as anything but a woman. Why milk this crap for laughs and get GLAAD involved? God damn.
I think it's fantastic that Capcom is being so considerate to their fans and to the trans community. I was a bit put-off by those early win quotes as well.
God, gotta be PC about everything now days. So pathetic, it's a video game, who cares about a stupid win quote? Characters always talk sh*t to eachother after fights, wesker, wolverine, etc. talk sh*t during the fight on MVC3, but now, just because Poison is possibly not a girl, etc. We gotta have it where after they beat her they make sure they are polite, and gracious? Wow, I'm pretty sure there are winquotes in SF4 currently about someone not being a REAL woman, or w/e. And there are no gender questionable characters in SF4....It's just a stupid video game.
I don't get the big deal with the win quotes... transgender people are NOT women, let alone REAL women.
What a confused world we live in where something as simple as one's sex is ripped from its foundation in nature and put in some vacuous post-modern notion of pure autonomy of the will.
How nonsensical our PC society has become.
Poison is a girl and will always be one. I don't care what CAPCOM says about her... she is a girl, end of story. Though I can be wrong.
who gives a flying trans-gender turd? why are we bringing back up?
Do people just want Poison to be a girl so that they can fap to her? I mean seriously. Poison's a much more interesting character as a tranny, because it gives representation for all of those people out there. Otherwise there's not much to her. It would be like making Balrog white because people see him as a negative stereotype.
@23
More like people with a tranny fetish decided to change Poison into one.
She was female in the original Final Fight end of story.
Either way I couldn't care less.
@mark_morrison @jmastaflash1000
I understand you guys are tired of the subject, but Poison is one of the most talked about characters in SFxT, and is pretty popular in general. A story focusing completely on her and her origins isn't uncalled for, given these things.
I'm kind of confused.... So, some people found it offensive for some win quotes to bring the topic up of her "true" gender, and as a result, they are working with some group to revert and hide it, and treat Poison as a straight-forward female now instead?
Also keep in mind, EGM, a pretty major publication, sat down with Ono to talk about this. They could have went over game development or whatever, but they chose this subject. There's quite a bit of interest here, whether you as an individual are interested in this or not.
I don't like GLAAD and I'm trans myself. I find them to be repressive of artists and so what if Chun Li says poison your not a real woman. Is anything about that statement even inaccurate? I don't mind being politically correct to the point where you don't want to be sexist I guess but don't compromise the product for political correctness. I want dick girl jokes.
Actually the assertion that a male-to-female transsexual, whether pre-operative or post-op, is 'not a woman' is both offensive and wrong.
For those of you who don't know, there is a difference between 'transgender' and transsexuality, and actually, a large number of transsexual people have absolutely no wish to be lumped into some sort of catch-all category with transvestites, cross dressers and drag queens. Not that there's anything wrong with those things - it's just that they're utterly different things.
Transsexuality is rooted in a form of intersexuality (look it up, for those of you who are deluded enough to think that nature is some sort of binary XX woman XY man system) in which one's brain doesn't match one's body as it does for most people. This causes terrible discomfort for a person, known as gender dysphoria, and leads to depression and suicide at very high rates unless it's treated - and the appropriate treatment is to transition and live one's life accordingly, with very high rates of success.
But no matter what Poison identifies as, I'm very happy at the thought of there being a transsexual or transgender character, and I'm even more happy that Capcom has been in touch with GLAAD on this one, even though being gay or lesbian is a matter of sexual preference and not gender identity, it shows that they're at least showing some sensitivity. *applause*
I don't particularly like the origins of the story, considering that trans people are the target of so many hate crimes, and the thought that she would somehow be more acceptable to beat on if she were male assigned at birth, but there's a great chance now for Capcom to make her into something great - and as someone who has wanted her to be a playable character for a very long time - I'm maining her!
poisons gender is always the same 'leave it to your imagination'. Damn creators. Just say if the character is a she or a he. Why making it complicated? -. -
Take a look at SNK. Ash Crimson: He has girl looks but we all kof fans know his a straight guy.
In my eyes. Posion is a very beautiful woman. Leave it at that!
There you go. As the article says, originally poison was a WOMAN. Simple as that. Until final fight got released here in the west and they changed her gender to being transgendered.
So, FACT is FACT. She is a female. End of discussion.
If Capcom and/or a sector of the FG community wants a transgendered character, then Capcom should just make ONE completely from scratch; and let poison be the character she was originally intended to be (a female). So there would be no more CONFUSION and BS.
Hey, this is the person from EGM who did this interview.
First, thanks for reading it (as well as linking to it on here)!
Second, posts like #9 and #17 really make me sad, but it's what I've come to expect from some of the comments in the discussion over Poison.
If your response to this issue is "who cares", then you haven't paid enough attention to the people out there who DO care about it. Go talk to them, find out why they have the opinions they have. It might open your eyes a bit to the conversation.
Or, you know, don't, and just stick to the "OMG shut up she's a real woman" argument.
Maybe I should get the NAACP to jump on Balrog's and Deejay's offensive designs.
I feel some fans push the tranny part of Poison just to be a snob about it and to mess with other people who don't know about it.
"You know she's a Tranny" *TrollFace*
@ #36 shidoshi,
First off, thanks for the article.
I, however, completely agree with #9 and #17. And just to add to it, Capcom is just fueling the confusion about the real gender of POISON by not taking an official stance regarding her sexuality. Also, as you mentioned in your article, Poison was originally a female character to begin with. So in that regard, we already know the fact and truth about her sex/gender. To me it is just hypocrisy on Capcom's part for not owning up to the true origins of the character of poison.
yup so female and good sense and public relations says be supportive of what they think the community things so basically they dont wanna bash trannys so female for sure
I love the guys who are getting so hyped up about how he/she IS A GIRL! They just can't fathom popping a boner to a tranny. Personally, I think it's so funny that people care about her gender. I'm just going to say she is a dude. It's on the wikipedia page, Ono has said it himself that she is. To the lonely pervs who can't get their dicks wet, I'm sorry to break it to you. :) GYDW!
Wow, even in video games we are forced to face this issue. It is ironic and sad that those individuals who were once social pariahs (GLAAD and Co.) are now making those who disagree with them social pariahs.
Seriously, can't one disagree with GLAAD? I can't believe Ono and Capcom have to bow their knee to GLAAD, but I suppose it is the way of the world...
can anybody link me or tell me the win quotes towards poison? im interested to what these said quotes say. much appreciated
#36 Thanks for the the article, but #9 and #17 were right on the money. I don't see what's the big deal in saying that she's a woman. Is it that hard? Does Capcom think we'll get mad over all the years they lied to us about her gender? Some stupid people would, but most people with half a brain wouldn't hold it against them. Hell, she was originally designed as a female! That's all the proof right there! They can't use domestic violence against women as an excuse anymore, since this IS the year 2011. When we've already had female Street Fighters getting their heads crushed between a Russian wrestlers thighs, there's really no excuse. Capcom needs to drop this whole charade and be done with it. Why do they have to make things so complicated for them? Amusement in seeing fans trying to figure out the gender? Come on now.
#9 hit it on the head. The whole controversy surrounding her sexuality was all a result of people being sensitive to the idea of hitting women in video games. Times have changed and video games can get away with a lot more these days. There's no reason to keep this ancient workaround anymore. Just get rid of it and make her a woman. She was originally a woman. She looks like a woman. Let's just make her a woman already.
I don't know why the issue has been around so long anyway. Usually we laugh and shrug off terrible attempts at censorship and translation issues when games come overseas. Why did this one stick around?
I totally agree with nunyabusiness. This is... well, none of GLAAD's f-ing business. I hate all these socially correct groups coming into MY realm of gaming and into MY games and imposing their morals. I don't give two sh*ts what Poison's gender is, but I could give 5 sh*ts less what GLAAD thinks about it. Poison ain't hurting nobody. Stick to helping REAL people who need it and stop trying to tell game and movie companies how to make their products.
@17
There's a difference between one's gender and one's sex. Gender is a cultural definition while sex is a biological one. Gender has little to no real foundation in biology. Poison is a male to female transgender person who's gender identity as a woman is perfectly legitimate whither he/she is sexually male or sexually female.
On another note, I don't mind characters demeaning one another after a fight if it fits their character. But I took issue with those win quotes, specifically, because they came from characters who are typically characterized as tolerant and "good" (Chun-Li and Ken) and so were setting a bad example for how to speak to a transgender person.
I think it's awesome that Capcom is trying to be thoughtful about this (especially since they do have a history of promoting insensitive stereotypes) and I totally applaud them. I know it'll improve my enjoyment of the game.
Poison was never a trap.
Poison was and is a female. Play any capcom game she was in in the 90's.
What capcom's doing is something everyone in the media is doing, globalizing, marketing transgender/homosexuality.
You think the world was ******* 5 years ago? This is just the beginning.
#56 "I know it'll improve my enjoyment of the game."
So....you're saying you're a trans?
NOTE: this rant is note thought out.
i DONT GET IT. I never looked up to a black cahracter because he was black. hell i wanted to be like crash bandicoot when i was growing up. and so what if she might be transgender i could've tokld you capcom was going to say 'whatever you want her to be'. I mean this is one of those times where i feel like i can jsut say its jsut a cahracter with a story casue by PR. Hell me and my friends still go back and forth bout hjow to pronounce blazblue lol.
Oh and no offense but if a transgender person was going to kick my ass i wouldnt care abnout politness. Hell i would look forward to a fighter where the creator goes 'Why should they be polite to each other as long as their not blatantly offensive like saying the n word or calling a latino wetbback' thats jsut not right. and we all do relize taht guile coul be called the 'typical' american or that balrog is kinda of offensive. but really is jsut a video game as long as its not completly ignorant what does it matter. No really someone tell me why it matters.
@56
First, the argument that (and separation of) sex and gender are different is one that is very unique to the last 20 years and IS NOT A GIVEN (ie not merely culturally determined...)
This is an example where one has to obtain a Ph.D. to see that gender and sex are different. Seriously, how can you say that being called a "woman" has no biologic tie to having two X chromosomes.
I think this is a very sensitive issue that should be approached with gentleness and meekness for true open dialogue. Both sides are very passionate, for good reasons and it should go without say that if you are passionate for the trans/sexual/gender then there will be those equally as passionate on the other ie those who hold that the differences between male and female are beautiful God given roles.
I question the decision to have Poison be the focal point of this truly important question of our times and if SFxT is really the appropriate place for this. If Ono brings in GLAAD maybe he should bring in some conservative Christian leaders to the table too, but eh, who cares if we are offended...
also why not create a tranny cahracter. wouldnt be that hard.
I mean i know a big part of a fighter is character personality but im tryna fight.I really dont get what the big deal is. Hell capcom couldve saved EGM the trouble and really quickly said whatever you want her to be for blah, blah, blah. I dont wanna come off as offensive or intolerant jsut asking why is it such a big thing.
Hell i remeber the argument ree-u or rie-u lol. freiza bugged the hell out of me as a kid casue i thoguht he was ashe then goku said him and i was like wait freiz the baddest dude wears makeup? lol bu really thoug i shrugged it off and said this is the coolesst show ever.
SIDE NOTE: that song that goes I'M COMIN OUT comes on i always nod to it. lol idk it jsut happened
OK i thought this @@@@ was old news by now. we already been through this when she first made her appearance. the trolls already had there fun with this character,so lets find a new character to troll about like...R.Mika or Dan the MAN.
@62 The same thing was said about Hitler and his regime.
No one realizes it until it's too late.
When it has been realized, there is no turning back. The damage has already been done. This generation as we know it is on the path to destruction.
Name one transgender fighting character. Before this news hit.
Just one.
You can't.
Everyone saying Poison is a woman most likely fap to him/her and are trying to seek justice for their unrighteous fapping.
POISON IS A TRANNY! Its already been stated by Ono, They have porn of it, and once you cross that line, you cant go back! Even if they declared him/her Female as of now, the damage is done and the scar is bare for everyone to see. Doesn't matter if Poison was Female from the start. Poison became tranny! Case closed! Debate over! Next Subject!!!!!!!!!
@68
They already made a tranny character. That's what this whole thread is about.
@70
If there's one thing that's a good indication that this generation is on the path to destruction, it's that people on message boards are comparing tranny videogame characters to Hitler. What the hell is wrong with you?
I'm serious I have read every comment in here and I have just been laughing out loud this is just hilarious stuff I needed a good laugh
Anywho... I do remember the article with Ono saying in japan had junk in America had surgery whatever the funny thing is how passionate people are about a video game character who cares what it is lol... I'm just going with tranny cuz that is what I have thought for awhile and I don't look at characters that type of weird way but thank you all for making my night with these priceless coments
@59 loved the sheer randomness
@57 what makes you say this, "What capcom's doing is something everyone in the media is doing, globalizing, marketing transgender/homosexuality.
You think the world was ******* 5 years ago? This is just the beginning."
yea poison is a women and if she was a man so what, she fits hugo and I can't wait to get some games.
@70
Are you kidding?
You're going to seriously compare Transgenders to Nazis?
By the way old man, every generation has said that about every generation after itself since... Pretty much ever. Calm down.
This is how I view it in my headcanon: Poison is an extraordinarily hot girl that used to be a guy.
That is all. *bows and leaves*
Oh my god, transexuals in video games?!?! Don't look at her or you'll turn into a tranny yourself!!! What's next after this? Homosexuals in the military?!? Surely this is a sign of the apocalypse! Stay ignorant America. Keep your head in the sand and no harm can come to you.
(To those saying Poison is a woman, period - you're missing the point. But this seems to pop up in every Poison article so I won't waste my breath besides that.)
@72
Nothing was taken out of context. Don't take things out of context.
@73
It seems you are doing the same thing.
@75
And again...sigh
@76
It's evident. Look at the world 10 years ago and look at the world now. Assuming you aren't underage.
@77
It seems people here are fueled by emotions rather than intelligence. Please don't take anything I said out of context. But your right about the second comment. You'd think the bar would reach it's limit but it continues to be raised.
@83
"No one realizes it until it's too late."
What exactly was I taking out of context?
Its too late for what?
Too late for society to accept people in the minority?
When you make outlandish statements like comparing Transgenders to Nazis, despite the context, you need to be ready to back up what you said.
I'm actually a pretty articulate, level headed guy, I wouldn't consider myself "fueled by emotion". Just SUPER curious what you meant when you said "No one realizes it until it's too late."
@85
I read that comment and was like "Wow he doesn't even realize how much he's contradicting himself". I never thought I'd see someone criticize others for their ignorance and generalization of a culture, then swing back around and do it themselves. It kind of funny actually.
Its kinda sad that poison is getting all this attention because of the final fight conversion, capcom cant even make a game with a minority main character hell they cant even make a non offensive minority character but they can contact gladd to make sure poison isnt offending anyone, this is a PR stunt nothing more.
This thread makes me lol. So hard.
Guys, just leave it alone.
(1) It's a video game character
(2) S/he's whatever you want it to be.
I personally view her as a woman, but if you view her as a tranny IT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
It's more of a personal preference, she could be a female, she can be a tranny that adds diversity to the community as a whole.
Leave it at that.
@80
Words can't describe the ignorance in this post.
@84
I never compared transgenders to nazi's. You took my post out of context and ran with it into the wind.
The world in which we live in today is searing the conscious of the youth.
10 years ago stealing was wrong.
Today there are exceptions when you steal that makes it justified.
10 years ago murder was wrong.
Today there are exceptions that make murder perfectly legal.
The youth today aren't being told what to think. People in this thread are forcing the youth today to think like they do. Brainwashing. You say accept it and leave it alone. Requiring no one to question anything or your a bigot. The cycle continues to repeat itself no matter what's at the forefront.
@85
You can't be serious...
@91
Oh sorry, I didn't mention I wasn't directing that at you. I meant to be agreeing with you about #80's comment.
My bad. :(
What are you talking about? OJ got off in the 90s!
There are exceptions to everything and always have been. With the advent of the Internet, everyone can question EVERYTHING!!!! That's why we're where we are right now!
Seriously, do you hear yourself right now?
^^ I find it hilarious that there is so much discussion over a characters gender. but I have an idea that should work well for everyone. There are 2, that's right, 2 Poisons. The Japanese final fight one of old poison, who is female. And the transgendered westernized Final fight Poison who we will be seeing in sfxt. I personally would be angry and infuriated at the way the transgendered Poison made her debut. "calling poison her because she identifies herself as a woman, not a man" I would be angry that Poison was okay to beat up because she was a man who didnt feel like a man. To me this is a greater injustice than the whole debate on her sexual identity. It amazes me that people actually get upset because they want a character to be a specific gender or have a specific gender identity. At the end of the day, Poison is going to be a good character and if I can get Karin in the mix too then I will absolutely 100% buy this game DAY ZERO (midnight release)No questions asked. And I will start bodying people with poison. Funny thing is that I have never heard of an outcry this large from the tekken community when it came to Leo, and he practically went through the same thing
And the world is definitely not better now then 10 years ago sex all over TV unemployment high as ever gas high as F reality television has taken over the wolds better now cuz gays and transgenders are accepted well hope they can get a dang job cuz right now times are Grimm and we are tip toeing right around another depression if we ain't careful well at least we have iPhones right... Lol
@92
"The same thing was said about Hitler and his regime.
No one realizes it until it's too late.
When it has been realized, there is no turning back. The damage has already been done. This generation as we know it is on the path to destruction."
When referring to someone that said Transgender lifestyle wasn't hurting anyone.
But no you never compared Transgenders to Nazis. :|
@99
I read that all as one ridiculous run-on sentence. Probably because it was.
@95
"There are exceptions to everything and always have been."
No it wasn't always like that.
Maybe you're too young to know. There was once a time when right = right and wrong = wrong.
With exceptions in place, nothing is right or wrong.
Nothing.
"With the advent of the Internet, everyone can question EVERYTHING!!!! That's why we're where we are right now!"
There are consequences.
You can be an Atheist and say God doesn't exist. You might get flack from a few Christians but that's it. People will even cheer you on.
You mention one thing along the lines of 'homosexuality is a choice' or a 'mental disease' you are labeled anything and everything. Mind you the same things are said about people who belong to all types of religions all the time but it's only considered a joke.
The logic is mind boggling really. You can't question homosexuality at all. You have to accept it. Brainwashing in full effect. Which is funny if you ask me, the irony of it all is mind blowing.
Hey Augusta, there's questioning something, and then there's comparing it to the 3rd Reich. There's a pretty defined difference. If you don't want people "taking you out of context", don't use such intense rhetoric.
Also, things were different 10 years ago? Ya don't say! No WONDER Gamestop hasn't gotten any new N64 games lately, I was wondering about that!
Since you're such a history buff, allow me to retort using an example you'll enjoy:
Years before I was born, Germany was ok with rounding up and killing Jews.
Now, rounding up and killing Jews isn't ok at all! Funny how time works!
@101 maybe where your from well I been around and there are plenty plenty of people with low standards of living morales are worse some things are good about this time but not enough for me to think it's better at all
So until now, no one who has ever stolen or committed murder has ever gotten away with it. Really?
And the LONG period of human history where people were ridiculed and oppressed for being homosexual didn't happen at all either huh?
I'm done. Seriously. Done.
@100
Families and friendships are constantly destroyed because of homosexuality and transgender along with all of the other ones people choose.
It's silly to think it hurts no one.
Secondly I think it's sad that you'd think that in order for something to be wrong, one would have to suffer from it.
When it was confirmed that Osama Bin Laden was shot through the head, America had an extravaganza @ the White House. No one was hurting, in fact, they were rejoicing the execution of a man. How is America at that point any different from the People dancing in the streets as the Twin Towers fell?
Maybe I should just say I miss the Clinton Times ahhh... It was good living
@108
I never once compared transgender to nazi's.
You just continue to take my posts out of context.
With your other point, there's nothing wrong with murder today as there are exceptions. So technically, it's still the same if not worse.
@110
You never addressed a single thing I said. All you did was go on a tangent. That's just silly
@107
Are you insinuating that there was a time of absolute spiritual and ethical black and white that you were alive to see?
Do you seriously think Homosexuality is a choice? Granted, yes, it is a choice to act on one's sexual desires. But when you see boys with straight, conservative parents wanting to dress up in their sister's clothes and talk like a little girl you REALLY think they just decided their identity one day? How about suicide rates among gay teenagers? Did they choose to be suicidal based on wanting to be "different" or "cool" according to the liberal media?
"More than 34,000 people die by suicide each year," making it "the third leading cause of death among 15 to 24 year olds with lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth attempting suicide up to four times more than their heterosexual peers."
Just thought you'd like to see some proof, I can link you to the website if you want to learn more. (but you probably don't)
@kdavis851
I`m really glad you`re done because now I`ll never have to read one of your inane comments again.
Don`t let the door hit your ass on the way out, buh bye!
And that period You speak of when trans and homosexual people were ridiculed is constant today and always will be that's life there will always be groups of people that hates different people ain't changing period it is better but it ain't going nowhere... Funny how a video game character has lead us to bin laden the twin towers hitler this is becoming out of control
Capcom-1 us-0
@114 and people that commit suicide whatever I have no pity whatsoever for weak individuals that kill theirselves... They need to man up we all got problems just because they think people will hate them cuz they are gay doesn't mean they should kill theirselves no one should be that lazy are the just being selfish only caring about theirselves sorry I will just never have pity for people that weak minded and weak hearted
@111
"Families and friendships are constantly destroyed because of homosexuality and transgender along with all of the other ones people choose."
Uhh, I'm gonna leave that one alone, unless you bring up specific incidences and statistics it makes for a pretty weak rebuttal.
"It's silly to think it hurts no one.
Secondly I think it's sad that you'd think that in order for something to be wrong, one would have to suffer from it."
I never said that actually, funny that you would put words in my mouth after criticizing me for taking things out of context.
"When it was confirmed that Osama Bin Laden was shot through the head, America had an extravaganza @ the White House. No one was hurting, in fact, they were rejoicing the execution of a man. How is America at that point any different from the People dancing in the streets as the Twin Towers fell?"
Hmm, pretty random. I was't one of the people you described in this paragraph so I don't know what to say. Secondly, someone WAS hurt in this instance so that makes this an even weaker argument.
Not really sure how to respond to this, overall its pretty weak. Come up with some better points.
......For the love of Odin's broken electric shaver,
This aint about the transgender community. No dissrespect meant to those here.
It's futanari. Disagree? Google it. Then count how many times you see Chun, Cammy, Sakura, Elena, Juri, walkin' around "packing" 2 foot long pee-pee's.
We cant see the wee-wee, there wont even be a visible buldge, but they're making a huge point of telling us irrelevant info. CONTROVERSY!!!
Why on earth did Shuma show up over plenty of awesome'r characters? To enflame tentacle-lover community of course!
This is a damn game, but 1st,
THIS IS A BUSINESS.
And this is marketing. And sex sells.
Thats the ONLY reason she/he is in this game.
Wow. Just looking at these posts is just mind boggling. People her gender decides the fate of humankind, saying things were better 10 years ago, and all this other crap nobody gives a damn about...Can people at least stay on topic for once? You know who you are.
@58
It's pretty irrelevant one way or the other.
I really love Street Fighter (enough so to post on these forums), but I've always been disappointed in how insensitively they've dealt with race and ethnicity in the past and was concerned that they might go down that road with Poison. Seeing that CAPCOM is trying to be more thoughtful this time around is a really great thing. I mean, I don't expect Ryu to be ultra-PC and have his win-quote say "I respect and understand the reasons behind your serious life choice, though I do not share your feelings." It's just that Poison's a super-hot bad-girl thief and with this controversy averted, we can focus more on those aspects of her character and enjoy the game.
Why people drooling over a girl(guy?) who flaunts their stuff all over the place like a piece of meat in a lions den s beyond me; totally not classy. Chun Li is way more attractive anyways, at least she IS a girl. And at least Juri is also very sexy and at she is'nt so obvious about her sexuality. There are plenty of female fighters to google over (No pun) and you know what, REAL WOMEN arent so bad either. Should try to talk to some now and then, best thing about them is "gasp" they talk back.
Now we cleared that up, where is my Lei Wulong for SFxT?
#122
YouTube has possibly the stupidest comments I have ever read. Ignorant and shameful.
Poison is transgender. Capcom is simply being cautious about her, and that's WONDERFUL.
To the folks calling her a woman---that's exactly what she would want you to think.
All of you can stop commenting on this. It stems beyond frame rates and hit-confirms. It's real life, son.
Video games are a major media, and while YOU may not care about how Capcom runs its business, THEY do.
So. Shut the hell up and open up your mind. Ugh. Idiots.
#124 I don't know why they gave Ryu a special win-quote against her in the first place. He's never met her. Just him the generic "You must defeat my Shoryuken" BS winquote and problem solved. If Cody and Guy are in the game, it'll be cool to see their win quotes against Poison and Hugo. Cody will be interesting in particular. Poison had a crush on him in Final Fight Revenge, and visited him in prison with flowers, and Cody shot her down because he loved Jessica more.
#127 If she's a guy, then why do you keep referring to her as a "she"? ;)
Nah, Ono said he wants to appeal to both sides by not saying anything. He'll let us think what we wanna think. Her gender is whatever you think it is.
Ninja I think everyone has special win quotes against everyone, its not ryu and chun li specific, its just that they showcased ryu and chun li during this particular time and someone just happened to note what was said, i am sure other characters had something harsh to say to her as well, Like Cammy for instance
I agree lei wulong would be sick addition too I'm hoping for
Capcom
Sakura. Tekken
Karin. Alisa
Guy. Lara
Cody. Lei wulong
Juri. Roger Jr.
Makoto. Asuka
Oro. Law
Sean. Bryan fury
R. Mika. Zalfina
Heck really just a massive cast
@132 that's funny MY cats breathe smells like cat food too!
I knew Capcom would take this stance. They're grabbing an Internet debate by the horns and using it in their favor. When people are arguing about Poison, they're inadvertently advertising Capcom's products. It may as well be a current product, yes? Honestly, we wouldn't even be talking about Poison right now if it weren't for her gender controversy. If Capcom sticks to their guns and keeps Poison's gender ambiguous, people are going to continue to argue until they're blue in the face and Poison will always be a topic of discussion.
In my opinion, Poison's gender being ambiguous is more of a social commentary than just outright saying she's trans. One of the problems with society is that some people care what others do with their lives, and think they can tell others what they can and can't do, when it doesn't effect them and isn't any of their business.
I saw a few people saying that Poison was originally a woman in Japan release of Final Fight but was changed to a transvestite when it was localized in US so therefore must be a female.
Well, you know what else has Capcom changed when localizing their games in US? M. Bison, Vega, Balrog and Gouki/Akuma. Up till this day, Japan and US are still using their respective versions. So, if that's the case, it makes more sense that Poison is a transvestite in US but born a woman in Japan. If you all want to be accurate about it.
No comment on the rest of the world.
@141 & 142
How does that work? Anyone who thinks differently than you is a troll? I say otherwise and I have no intention of trolling. Why is okay for you to think Poison is a woman, but others thinking she's a tranny is not okay?
And who says she's a woman? The best argument I've heard is that the original, Japanese version says Poison is a woman. The fact that Street Fighter fans actually think that's a valid excuse is so far beyond weak it's pathetic. You're the same people that don't call Claw "Balrog", Dictator "Vega", and Boxer "Bison". You accept that Birdie is black, not white. But you won't accept that Poison is a tranny? Even after Capcom has been running with her being a tranny for this long? They're working with GLAAD for crying out loud. What more proof do you want?
People can believe what they want but I think it's stupid when some of the people on this site suggest that certain opinions are wrong, and that their own are facts.
Also, a gold star to the first person who can tell me (without being a narrow-minded, prejudice, idiot) why Capcom should officially make Poison a woman.
MAN I SAY THIS
If you have to debate weather its a he/she and the people at capcom dont want to give a straight answer, than its a dude. You dont hear all of this about MAKOTO now do you, we all know that is a chick.
if you guys wanna keep tradition going then
japan - girl
usa - boy
@143
I like your answer with the balrog/ bison thing and that is why I said if your in japan its a girl in usa its a guy. Everywhere else if you call vega your final boss in street fighter than posion is a girl. I dont think Capcom will ever say that posion is a girl. They like the big argument and people that really want him to be a her. They laugh about it, just like I do.
@#46 & #52
First, thanks for the rationally-written replies.
My problem with #17 was how horribly insulting the comments were towards people who are transgender, but that's a different conversation.
Part of my argument (which I wrote about in the text before the interview) is this: Yes, Poison started as a woman. Nobody denies that. However, the change - stupid or not - was made. She was then considered transgender, and then Capcom started waffling on that decision.
At this point, we can say one of two things: Poison is a "real" woman, or Poison is transgender. If we go with the first decision, what's gained? We have one more typical female character to throw on the pile with hundreds of others. If we go with the second, then a group of people who have almost no representation in gaming have a small example of representation.
I think, no matter how or why or when the various decisions were made about the character, couldn't the side who wants her to be a "real" female just decide isn't not that important to them? For the folks on the other side - those who want her to be considered trans - it's a HUGE deal. I think it would be a small sacrifice to make so that a group of people can feel like they have some part in the world of video game characters.
Really, I think that's what this argument is about. Not about denying what she was at one point, but decide that it's okay if she's now something different. The way she ended up getting classified as transgender was a TERRIBLE process, because the decisions that caused that change weren't good reasons. But it's a question of the transgender community having SOME representation, and having none.
And for those who say "why does a group of people need representation", I'm guessing a lot of them come from groups who are already heavily represented in video games, so it's never even a thought to them. If we push to have video games more inclusive and more representative of all races, genders, religions, and sexual preferences, it would make gaming a better place.
Sure - the BEST choice would be to have a major character who, right from the start, is announced as being transgender with no wavering on that choice. Unfortunately, with the way things are, that's not likely to happen anytime soon.
People just need to realize, that Capcom is on the selling business, and some of their clients need her to be a tranny to like her and feel some way curious about the game at the end. If Capcom reveals the gender, they will lose one of these two markets (straight and almost gay), so expect them to never reveal the truth and keep this myth going on for as long as they can. They could just draw some bulk in "her" crouch, but we never saw that right? is there any kind of proof? no... so here is the truth DIG IT
@ shidoshi - first of all, great article/interview.
~~ "And for those who say "why does a group of people need representation", I'm guessing a lot of them come from groups who are already heavily represented in video games" ~~
Personally, I think this is the exact reason that gets said. I don't know about anyone else, but personally I like some variety in my character choices. Granted, part of that is moot for me anyway because I'm a dude and I tend to play mostly female characters, but that's another discussion...
Poison's background is completely muddled, but at this point it is what it is. What I find kind of entertaining is how hard some people fight to "prove" or outright deny that she's transgender now. I won't go to the old tried-and-true "they just don't want to admit what they're fapping to!" argument because honestly, that's a lame, ridiculous argument anyway. But what is there to argue about? Why do people get so heated because Capcom decided to leaver her as transgendered?
I will admit, I have peeked into Poison conversations and made the trap joke or said "you know that's a dude right?", so I'm not exactly helping the matter. That said, it's amazing how quickly people get pissed off about that and fire back with any number of Wiki articles to prove she is indeed a woman. Oddly enough, the transgender issue is exactly what makes her interesting rather than being just another sexually charged female character.
Nothing wrong with that either, of course.
I had my "She's a what? Oh!! ...ohhhhhh" moment a long time ago, lol. Now she's just an interesting character that I'm curious to play.
In 2007, one of my best friends told me, and shortly after his family, he wanted to be a woman.
This wasn't unexpected. He's always been girly, let alone the ultra-effeminate online persona he had at the time. We all saw it coming and he hadn't exactly rejected the idea before.
Since then he's been trying to get his friends and family to accept it. He wasn't a dick about it, he didn't expect everyone to just suddenly call him female. But we're well into the fourth year now and people still call him a he, still use his male name, despite it being pretty obvious this is not a rash decision or a phase. Now imagine every time everyone's ever been condescending to you, and imagine that had been going on over the same subject for four years. For anyone who had a girlfriend or sister or whatever critically and vocally unaccepting of gaming who refused to see it as anything more than a childish hobby, a downside to you as a person, imagine that for /four years/.
That's just one side of it.
Next we have the public side of it. Between generally thinking of himself as a disgusting hideous creature because he hates his own gender (imagine having a golf ball sized pimple on your forehead that you could never get rid of, and having to go out in public with it), a number of incidents where he's been verbally abused and two incidents where he's actually been physically assaulted, he's basically agoraphobic. I mean it's already bad enough that he sees himself in this way no matter how much everyone tries to assure him there's nothing wrong with his gender, but to have everyone abuse him for it as well is absolutely awful.
How about the legal side? Our government will not let him undergo hormone therapy until he has lived as a woman for 3 years, while constantly checking in with a professional psychologist. However part of 'living as' includes working, and since he's agoraphobic that's pretty much impossible. Not to mention forcing someone to live as a transvestite - remember, he doesn't want to be a man dressed as a woman, he wants to /be a woman/ - is something I would probably categorize as abuse at best. Also one of the hormones he will eventually need requires him to place himself on the sex offender's register. Because, y'know, he hasn't gone through enough humiliation already.
Financial side? Surgery costs thousands of dollars which he can't afford because he can't go more than about a month of 9-5 without having a severe anxiety attack.
And now let's get down to the most tragic part. He knows that he'll never, really, be a 'real' woman. He knows he'll never genetically be one, he knows he could never have children, he knows he'll have to wax most of his body for his entire life, he knows he'll always have to hide the fact his intimate parts don't function normally, he knows he'll always look at best like a masculine woman and that he will always just be an imitation. He knows that even if SOMEHOW he gets past all of the above rubbish and actually achieves his goal, he'll still have to hide his past lest 'people' like the majority of you guys find out and abuse him. He knows that even after the surgery he won't be able to just go out to a club or whatever and pick up a guy, like every other woman is able to do, and take him home, without hours upon hours of preparation to hide everything and if he misses something he runs some pretty incredible risks.
He knows that there are intolerent, blind, ignorant ****wits out there, just like most of the commenters here, who would beat the tar out of him if they found out the person they'd slept with used to be a man. Just because they once had a penis, something that if I may remind you, is the type of genital you've spent far more time touching than vaginas.
I opened these up to complain about people getting too politically correct, because let's face it people do think like that and I don't want post-battle quotes to be an episode of My Little Pony where Ryu addresses the audience about the dangers of intolerence, but some of those comments just made me so goddamn sick to my stomach that I had to post this story, just in some HOPE that it would make even ONE PERSON understand just how much crap these people go through, and how much they absolutely do not need any more.
Special mention goes to SmokeRulz for thinking this is some kind of joke that should be swept under the rug, RedWaltz79 for the utterly ignorant dismissiveness and offensiveness of saying transgendered people are "NOT women, let alone REAL women," and for everyone just pretending in their minds that Poison is a birth-assigned female just because they're so damn terrified of something they lovingly stroke at least once a day anyway.
Seriously this whole Poison debate has opened my eyes. I knew transvestites aren't liked or accepted but the revulsion, denial and fear the majority express towards them is sickening. I hope at least some of you grow up enough to be ashamed of yourselves.
Yeah I made a two-part comment, what of it.
@Shinkada
No-one gives a flying poop about your friend. Why give us "its" life story?
To the people at the begining of this wall of comments asking why this is news #157 comments and still going....
@157
To provide context to his argument.
Why do you "not care" to the point you had to post about it?
You must not care so super hard. Its almost like you DO care!
@155
Tell your friend to man up and deal with it.
There's such as thing as wanting to become something else, and I can totally respect your friend for that.
However, it's quite another thing when you misrepresent yourself when dealing with others. How would you feel if I sold you a 'Rolex' that I swore was real but secretly got from a replica shop in China? You'd want to beat me up well and good too.
Kayopolice has way more balls than your friend.
@Summoner
You are basically saying the same thing to me that I just said to Shinkada. Hypocritical much?
@Mikeydactyl
Erm...I asked him a question, unrelated to whether I care about his friend or not. You even answered it, dumb ass.
Your `herp derp if you don`t care, don`t post` argument doesn`t even make sense here...
@155
what #163 says about your friend is true. If he came out and told everyone and found a partner by truth, Than it would be the real thing instead of him having to hide behind a wall of lies. Hell yeah I would f#ck up some tranny that tried to sleep with me. Sh#t why he even tryin to sleep with someone with a mutilated pen!s. You aint gonna get no enjoyment from it! dumbass.
@165
You were obviously insulting him and his friend (pretty well hinted at when you quoted "its" from nowhere (fyi that's not how you use quotes in an argument, you're supposed to actually quote something the other people said) because obviously transgenders don't like to be called it, just like most people), or could you seriously not put together that the story of his friend was provided to make his point of view more palpable?
"No-one gives a flying poop about your friend."
Pretty related to you not caring about his friend, or am I interpreting you wrong?
This also kind of ties in with my third point, where if you really didn't care about his friend or his story, why feel the need to put her down, call her "it". Its pretty juvenile
honestly.
That and using annoying internet lingo like "herp derp".
@163
You're comparing a person to a watch. To say "I didn't get what I bought" when referring to a date or casual sex is... Well. There's a lot wrong with that thought. If this was before surgery, okay, that's entirely understandable, but post surgery? Even criminals are given a better reputation when they haven't committed any crimes for long enough than someone that had a penis ten years ago.
I do get your point, that it would be ingenuine of her to take someone out without telling them, and I don't agree with that, but I'm sure you can understand how not wanting to get turned down by 99% of people would encourage her to lie about something that REALLY should not matter.
How do you even bring up something like that? "Oh, before you buy me this drink, I should tell you I used to have a penis." Awkward, inappropriate, making herself known as a freak which is something she would have already been dealing with for almost a decade by the time she finally gets her surgery... And again, for something that just should not matter to anyone who isn't ridiculously insecure.
There were rumours circulating about Kayo. She basically had no choice but to come forward with it, and I doubt she would have if she didn't have to. Nobody would willingly invite the kind of mocking, ridicule and disrespect that she's gotten since then.
It seems some people have misunderstood me. This person is not "going trapping" - they are not trying to get dates before surgery without telling people. In fact the mere idea of being in a relationship, given how much they hate themselves, disgusts them. I mean, agoraphobia and all.
The whole "can't pick someone up" etc stuff was referring to a rhetorical situation if and when they finally get their surgery.
The point I was trying to make was that even after surgery, complete with breasts and female genitals - even someone as gorgeous as Kayopolice - the majority of males would still abuse the crap out of someone they slept with if they found out they used to be female. I was trying to point out how sad it is that people are so insecure, they would say "you used to be a male and you had a penis so I can't sleep with you or THAT WOULD MAKE ME GAY."
I'm reminded of one of Tucker Max's stories when he had a total breakdown over the revelation, years later, that someone he slept with was a post-op transexual. Even when I read that years ago when I was about 17 I remember wondering what the hell he was so freaked out about. Is everyone here 16 or something?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-1445...
How do you think people like these feel about those claiming to be "transgender"?
How is being a post-op transgender and not being forthcoming about the fact not 'going trapping'?
Trap, noun
any device, stratagem, trick, or the like for catching a person unawares.
My watch analogy may be offensive to you, but it's exactly applicable to your friend if 'she' goes out post-op and pretends to be a complete woman.
Like I said before, I totally support your friend's choice. It's the potential for misrepresentation that I am casting my apprehensions about.
Back in university I took Japanese language classes as an elective, and one of my classmates in that course was gay and through two terms we saw his transformation through growing boobs via hormone injections and finally through full on transgender surgery. Nobody in the class disrespected him, and everybody, including our professor gave nothing but support and encouragement on his choices and his future.
You are here, preaching to us about the lack of respect people have for their gender choice, but in not properly declaring her transgender status I believe there is a similar disrespect for someone else's sexual preferences.
I'm sure they sympathise quite a lot with them. Many people born with gender abnormalities are descriminated against, as Caster Semenya likely knows very well, and it's not much different than the process transexuals have to go through to be 'allowed' to live how they want to.
Those with the heaviest gender abnormalities often have surgery performed at birth to decide which gender they fall under for them, and generally have highest rate of gender identity disorder in the world.
I'm amazed you can read that article and still be aggressive on this topic; the issues are really very similar, and I doubt anyone with a physical birth abnormality would be intolerent of someone with a mental one.
@170 hey news flash if you sleep with someone born with a shlong just because they have a surgery to remove it your gay hey that's cool that's on you but you are gay
Shes a girl. Nintendo and 90s censorship is the cause of this. MK got censored to hell doesnt mean it isnt violent anymore. Poison was created as a female and only replaced by a male character cause beating on a woman back in those days was offensive. That era is over.
Only reason Capcom doesnt give a final answer on this is cause it brings attention to the product which brings in more sales.
@ 132
Finally, a comment that's a breath of fresh air, err, i mean, an air of cat's breath. lol
Trannys are not women their DNA says so I wish I remembered the post where it sounded like one talking about it's struggles in 3rd person they have Adams apples different chemicals hey if that's what they want to do it's their life but saying that they are women is laughable no they are trannys and all these people commenting on their struggles just feed into the reasons why they do have a detached feeling treat them normal they don't deserve special treatment
capcom should just say f*** it to historic consistency for this one issue, and just make it all easy for us by making Poison a woman. then everyone would stop arguing and just go back to jerkin it like they always do. god.
JIHADJOE... As much as I feel like a moron arguing with that name... Are you seriously saying that you consider someone who is post-op, female in every single possible way except for a lack of ovaries, still male? And you believe they should state to someone, before a first date, that they are a post-op transexual? That's moronic.
The entire point of someone changing their gender is that they want to CHANGE THEIR GENDER. They don't want to be seen as a transexual, or a transvestite, and certainly not a man/woman. Making them announce their history sounds like something you'd do for pedophiles, not someone who simply wished to be the opposite gender enough to make it happen.
What worries me the most is that you care. Are people seriously just that insecure that th-...
... Oh. @175, thanks for that. That um... Yeah.
Mocking aside, no, if someone who was totally post-op and past the process was to not inform someone of that before sleeping with them, I would not consider it trapping. Thousands of women don't tell their partner they used to be strippers, prostitutes or sluts, and thousands of men don't tell their partners they used to be womanizers. People don't tell their partners they went to jail a decade ago, people don't tell their partners they used to take drugs. And here's my favourite one; many women don't tell men they have fake breasts. That's my favourite because men still consider fake breasts as breasts but, apparently, plastic surgery falls under a double-standard.
Everyone has things in their past they want to get rid of, and we only need tell a potential partner what we are, not what we were. A post-op transexual shouldn't have to tell their partner they used to be a man/woman any more than I should have to tell a potential partner I used to be a weeaboo, or any other number of embarassing things from 5+ years ago that are no longer the case.
I'd just like to make that clear. NO LONGER THE CASE. If you are so pathetically insecure and insensitive as to be unable to class someone who has gone through full surgery as female, well, in a nutshell, I don't respect your opinion, at all. A post-op MtF is a female, plain and simple, and as far as I'm concerned that's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Okay that's it. Sorry to small handful of people who can actually put words together, comments like 175, 179 and 180 just... Yeah. I'm completely losing my faith in humanity at an alarming rate, I'm getting out of here before I get any more tempted to go on a mass murder spree or something.
I'm disgusted. I really am.
How can you say that it is fine for a MAN, who has had his penis cut off and his groin converted into a `vagina`, to lead another guy along into a date, or sex, and not tell him that he is not a woman??
That`s a really messed up mindset. I have no problem with trans-gender people, they can do whatever the hell they choose, but your argument is simply ridiculous.
Men and women are genetically different, to argue against that is simply idiotic.
Capcom should just say, " OOps, we made a mistake in history, Poison is a Hermaphrodite". end of story.
I think it's exactly because of this kind of discussion that Poison's inclusion is great. Thank you Shinkada for trying to clarify some of these tenebrous Dark Ages's minds, I think there's still hope in humanity.
Today something like this "wow this is sad i will not buy this game with a f@ggot transgender on it what the f*** is the world coming to? all you people that ok this sh*t can go to hell and burn with them" is considered by the majority, to say the least, a total nazi, absurd madness, although here it can not seem so.
WOW I can't believe this turned into what it did LMAO....but (SHINKADA) I don't think its moronic to let people know your transgender straight out and upfront some people are really put off by it and they have the right to know before getting into that situation...insecure? that's funny because the person who will not come out as transgender is ultimately the insecure one...you was not born a female and that's not your fault but own the fact that you are a transgender...you don't have to wear a sign on your forehead and scream and tell the world....but if your going to be intimate in anyway with someone (yes even before a first date) let them know you were not born a woman, I think from a morale standpoint that's only right...
oh also #186 I couldn't agree more and that's the real truth regarding this entire debate (about Poison anyway)
I've posted the truth up there and nobody noticed :P If Capcom reveals Poison as a woman... then the tranny community (like SHINKADA) will loss interest in the game because of feelin rejection. Prediction: Capcom will keep on givin hints about Poison being a tranny (text or story development) but the design will be as femenine as possible, so it's up to your imagination. Jerk it to Poison its not officially gay
@Shinkada
You're just mad that I ignored your walls of text wanting people to think like you do to make you feel satisfied for taking the time to write walls of text. but I guess you could make a petty cop-out response like you did. it is the internet, after all, and nobody gives a sh*t. F*ck it, I'll do one too. I just wrote this to procrastinate from writing an essay for class.
bye. i win. game over. poison is a woman.
I love this thread so much... I really do...
this is some of the funniest s*** I've read in a while... I love hearing how all the tranny-supports try to rationalize their BS. There are men, women, and men/women pretending to be the opposite gender. And don't feed me that "genetics/chromosomes aren't black and white" BS... I know all about that... I don't know what to call these people, but to call them "man" or "woman" is largely inaccurate.
Anyway, why would they need to make it less offensive? isn't it a fighting game? don't they smack-talk? Get GLAAD out of here, and quit bein so damn sensitive... it's a game. God, this is almost as bad as when people were complaining how some games (where you could kill innocents & kids) would promote child-murder, and how wrong it was.
The sex that you are born with is what you really are. You can change it, mask it, put makeup on it, cut it off and reshape it or whatever the hell you want to do with it. In the end you still are the same sex you were born as.
You can change your lifestyle and live happy life. There is nothing wrong with that but the truth doesnt change.
I love some of you with the "you know, if you were a man and transition to being a woman, you aren't a 'real' woman" lines. As if you're saying something utterly intelligent that has never been thought about in the history of this conversation!
People who are transgender and who transition know what they were and what they are. If they're going to have sex with you, it's best that they be honest with you about their past. Otherwise, it's none of your business what their history is.
For those of you who can't get over the fact that somebody would dare do such a thing in order to try to find some peace with who they are, the good part is people like you are gradually becoming the quieter voices in the argument, and one day in the future, hopefully you'll be gone. Same with ignorant racists, or anybody else who can't stand those who is different than them. Time moves on, people (hopefully) get smarter, and ridiculous prejudices get broken down. If you want to sit there ranting and raving about how people who are transgender aren't "real men" or "real women", have fun - just understand that, more and more, the world doesn't give a crap about you and your antiquated opinion.
On the other hand, for those who don't understand what it means to be transgender or agree with it, but can accept people who are transgender for what they are and treat them like normal human beings - thank you. We humans don't all have to be the same, and we don't all have to agree. Diversity, however, is what makes the world great.
It's funny, because as gamers, we've been crapped on by so many other people in the world, people who say we're stupid for the having the hobby we do, how we're wasting our lives playing video games, how our loves and passions should only be for little kids. And then, we turn around and attack each other. We can, and should, expect more from ourselves. It doesn't matter who we are or where we come from, just that we can get together and have fun enjoying the things that we do have in common.
And thanks to Shinkada for the story.
@114
Your post is ridiculous frankly.
First of all you never addressed a single thing I said. Instead you made a claim that no one made and then accused me of making it. How does that make any sense?
Since you want to avoid the subject, Homosexual/transgender isn't exclusive in terms of suicide. Everyone commits suicide. The fact that you think that has any causation of proving anything is absolutely ridiculous.
@201 is almost spot on.
Except for the fact that transgender don't live happy lives at all. They spend all of their lives trying to become something they're not. Transgender can't even love themselves if they are trying to change everything about them. I really do hope trans/homo/bi/metro get the help they need and get help for this sickness. Hearing people like shinkada trying to rationalize horse dung makes me sad. The fact that someone can completely throw the term gender out of the window is completely absurd.
@204
It's funny how people like you completely reject science in order to makes your point valid.
Women who do surgery to become men are not men. They are women and will always be women. You have obviously been brainwashed to believe what you do thinking a few surgeries turn men into women/ vice versa.
I refuse to call someone who was born a woman a man and vice versa. Why? I think even you should be able to answer that.
Here's how you know if your a tranny your still the gender you were born.
If you are a women and did the whole 10 yards to become a man, Full on surgery and printed on paper, and you start a fight with a guy and get your ass beat, He gets in trouble for beating a woman, not a guy or tranny.
And Vice Versa. A guy turned girl and gets into a fight with another girl, but the real girl gets beat up, The tranny gets charged as a man. And it doesn't just have to be in that situation. That is just an example to many other situations and examples of what could happen. Aesthetically, you are what you wanted to be. But legally, scientifically, and morally, you are what you were born as. And you cant change anything about it.
Augusta: Shidoshi couldn't express better what everybody should already be thinking. People like you think to be smart "trying to help" people with gender identity disorder, but I bet you barely know what that means. You know, in all your wisdom, what the Church said more than 1000 years ago, and repeat it like you're an intelligent person trying to help the poor pagan and unhappy people. Unhappily there're many people with empty heads like you. Just don't try to involve science in your argument when you don't know what you're talking about.
I think it's amazing how much discussion this topic has generated.
As someone has said before, Capcom is working with GLAAD. Isn't that any indicator that they think there is SOMETHING unique about Poison?
Personally, I view her as a transgendered woman. One can't prove she is, or isn't.
Also, some of you people are complete ignorant fools. I'm not going to point fingers specifically.
I'm gay, and I'm not sick.
Now, excuse me while I go back to playing Tekken for the first time. I'm terrible, and know nothing about the plot. >_>;
@GlassTop BRAVO! The kind of comment that should be upper in this page as TOP COMMENTS
@Catalyst Please improve the comments section, would be nice to have some real quantitative feedback about how people thinks of your points of view... like or dislike could be good. Btw thanks for helping the FGC, by far the best gaming community all around.
@206
Between 114 and 118, I actually addressed pretty much everything you said. If you aren't reading it, or absorbing it that's on you.
I can see that you are the type of debater that dismisses statistics, facts, proof, that's the type of person you can't argue with. One that is only gonna see things his way, despite the facts presented.
You suck at debate. Do even read the context of what I'm saying? Because you keep on claiming I'm addressing things you didn't say, when you clearly did. Whatever though, you can't be helped.
This is Ono's biggest troll EVER! How the heck are you gonna say "we have no official stance on Poison's gender" when they're pushing the tranny win quotes? The QUOTES are Capcom's stance on Poison's gender. They just like to watch the people squirm about it.
Trap.