Tip from brazilanubis3 and Baraa_rulz.
One Swaggity Squeeze kills Dark Phoenix? I like that. Wesker still looks to have variety. Definitely gonna be playing with the both of them and seeing what changes have come around.
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It's true, any level 3 kills her (not sure about Zero's though)
that black and purple alt for Magneto is looking NICE!
(Wesker...hasn't really been nerfed! I hope Doom is ready for round 3!)
Would it be too much to ask for a version of Phoenix with like 800k health, no Level 5 Dark Phoenix transformation and maybe just a Level 3 Transformation Hyper (not dependent on her death) with a toned-down Dark Phoenix?
I personally just like playing regular Phoenix... just sucks that she dies in half a combo.
her health nerf makes chip damage that much more viable in killing her now... Which is a good thing
(@12 Normal Phoenix is named Dr. Strange.
Have fun!)
All the people agreeing with the pointless health nerf of Phoenix are idiots..... LMAO if you think that helps your chances...Ever notice That when DP wins a match she doesn't get touched? If you think it helps on Chip LMAO keep faith in that C.Viper video where the Phoenix player (who probably doesn't even main Phoenix) refused to push block and sat in a corner.....I wish the health nerf was the only nerf she was getting LMAO matter of fact give her 100,000 health Capcom and all her orginal tools back, I bet I still own you whiny peasants!!! Remember ask not for pity....
Can someone explain why Akuma gets a health nerf and stricter timing on his OTG but wesker still gets his ABC OTG CDEFG Hyper and speed boost with his glasses? *sigh*
I Phoenix didn't need a health nerf, her health was never a problem. (Provided her healing field wasn't out, that crap annoys the hell out of me.) But yeah, they've nerfed her in other departments, so it doesn't really make much difference, I guess. (Bearing in mind I'm NOT a Phoenix user.)
As for Wesker, I'm glad he's pretty much the same. I'll live with the health nerf. :]
@14, Did Seth actually say that? O.o Because the most damage Wesker's glasses take is his right shade being busted; not that he even needs a speed boost, but meh.
I suppose the health nerf is Okay, but the fact that it's so hard to push block a good phoenix and I've just been in an almost in-escapeable block string means I have no way to counter. Dark Phoenix shouldn't be in the game, She should be a regular character with a level 3 hyper which involves Dark Phoenix to deal damage maybe? I don't read the comics so I don't know about the whole Transformation buisness here.
@ #25
In the comics(and I generalize) whenever Jean went Dark Phoenix, that was it. She never turned back to normal, permanently atleast, until the X-Men/whoever took her down somehow. Or DP was just snuffed without her turning back. So Jean briefly going Dark Phoenix for a lvl 3 and then turning back would be completely unrealistic to the comics and the character herself.
Anyway, I find it pretty funny that when people were b*tching and whining about Sentinel the general response they got from everyone else was "Shut up and deal with it", and pretty much got blasted after Sent got nerfed. But Phoenix/Dark Phoenix on the other hand? I guess b*tching and whining about her and getting her nerfed instead of "dealing with it" is A-OK.
@26 you couldn't have explained it any better, and you stated the honest to god truth...The MVC community is such hypocrites, When ever someone even dears bring up the brokeness of MVC2 the response is "We like broken" and "Deal with it" but Phoenix is the most whined about character in the history of MVC even the pros whine about her LMAO.....
Yesterday on the Ultimate Marvel stream, Seth Killian said that Wesker's speed and damage input increase as he takes damage. When you hit Wesker enough, his glasses crack, and his speed and damage increase by 10% and when you damage him more, the glasses break completely, and he gets a 15% damage and speed boost. He also said that the gun loops and other combos that were seemingly gone in Ultimate, can still be done when Wesker gets his speed boosts.
Phoenix is now = to Crap, did she really need this much Nukes?
Relating to phoenix
1) Lower health
2) 1 action in the air
3) when hit her fireball disappear
I don't play Phoenix, but after the 1st 2, I thought that was enough. Now I pity her, next thing you know Capcom will say Dark Phoenix Require 6 bars (I know 5 is max, but that is the point)
I've been a Phoenix player since day 1. Sadly, though I don't use her much anymore 'cus people complain and I too can agree "Dark Phoenix" is overpowered. I hope the nerfs do bring her down on the tier lists so I can go back to playing her without feeling cheap. As a long time comic and video game fan, J-E-A-N (lol) has always been one (if not) my favorite Marvel female. I know a lot of Phoenix players say that, but if anyone remembers (probably not) I said that before MvC3 even came out.
Honestly, though I don't think these changes will effect her as much as some people think. Not against good Dark Phoenixs anyways. The most it will probably do is make it a little easier to chip, kill, etc. a snapped in Phoenix. The tweaked mechanics and new characters seem more of a hindrance to Phoenix then her nerfs. The meter-steal tag exchange, Shuma's new grab meter-steal, Morrigan's fireball meter-steal, x-factor nerf, what seems to be less meter gain, Hawkeye's instant hyper, Nemesis's hyper-armor hyper, and Doctor Strange's projectile counter which if instant will destroy Dark Phoenix for pressing any attack button since all her normals gain projectiles are what I believe might actually bring her down a bit in rankings.
They should make phoenix a regular character with a toned down dark phoenix being a transformation like dante's devil trigger.
@34
just wait 6 more months for SUPER HYPER MARVEL VS CAPCOM 3.
I like the phoenix nerf simply because I hope it Makes all of the people that just Throw her into their team... (even tho they might only know how to use the other 2 characters on their team) ... stop using her as a get out of jail free card because she was so cheap. Leave phoenix for the dedicated Phoenix players.
Phoenix's nerfs don't seem that awful. We'll just see what happens when you can't throw three air homing fireballs and just stroll your merry way along.
I like Phoenix. I don't use her that often (I feel like a cheapo), but if this makes me feel less guilty, it works for me.
I hope that they pay attention to the other characters the way they've paid attention to Wesker.
I mean, I don't want to just see things like "health buff" "damage buff" for some characters who need help.
I want Hsien-Ko to get more than just a "speed & damage buff." She needs to be able to cancel Senpu Bu with S, a complete removal of the bombs thrown with Anki Hou, and a lot of other things.
I'm not whining---simply hoping. It seems that they were like, "Oh, let's throw in Haggar---okay, he's slow and big. We'll make him strong and... maybe have an obnoxious assist---done. Now people can use him." Add some depth!
Does Hulk really need an extra super armor hit for his Standing H? Haha.
Why make anyone super-low tier? Spending time on creating these characters meant spending money. I thought Capcom liked money.
The Phoenix health nerf needs to be tested on regular Phoenix. Level 3's do extra damage to Dark Phoenix so Gravity Squeeze was an instant kill for her in vanilla as well. (trust me I'd know...)