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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 information from Portugal, part 2

Posted by Nyoro — November 7, 2011 at 9:54 a.m. PST

Obake, Kee Chak and Roz from PT Fighters got their hands on a retail copy of Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. They continue their information output from yesterday.

Prepare yourself for a long but informative read. There are a lot of characters covered, and your favorite just might be included with important info to prepare yourself for Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

Hit the jump for the details. Also stay tuned for more details from them as the day goes on.

Hulk

• Standing H only has one point of Super Armor

• Hulk's new move, The Incredible Punch seems really useless. Only use found for it was to use the one-hit armor to bait a punish and cancel the punch to Tornado. Takes very long to charge up, and you can't combo from the wallbounce unless you are in the corner. Needs further testing.

• Gamma Charge's anti-air may have armor on the first charge (unsure).

• Gamma Crush cannot OTG on the way up (just like before).

• No changes to Gamma Tornado other than the damage buff.

• Gamma Quake is the same as MvC3.

• Combo > Gamma Crush > Air X-Factor > Gamma Wave > Gamma Crush is possible and does a lot of damage as expected..

• At least two reps of the Gamma Wave loop can be performed on small characters like Wolverine.

Ghost Rider

• Crouching H has incredible range and is super good.

• Crouching M can function as a cross-under, but this is really hard to do.

• Full-screen keepaway is really good with Ghost Rider's standing H and command normal Forward + H

• Jumping S is good, but it has long air recovery and it's not possible to cancel it into anything to protect youself.

• Back + H is a flame pillar that OTGs and is really good in keepaway. It's spammable and is a nightmare for slow characters like Haggar and Nemesis. Does good damage as well.

• Ghost Rider's short-range normals are poor.

• Ghost Rider's Hellfire Maelstrom doesn't have full-invincibility as it traded with some moves after startup.

• Wavedash > cr.M xx Penance Stare is a really nasty technique to add range to Ghost Rider's Level 3. It already had good range by itself, but this makes it more ridiculous.

Nemesis

• His 3-rocket Hyper isn't a guaranteed combo on hit. In two different combos, the third rocket whiffed and the stomp followup was blocked and punished. Both times this happened, the player was at long range.

• Jumping Rocket Launch angled down is really slow and has long recovery to the point of unusability. Standing Rocket Launch is very high and can be ducked under by average height characters.

• Does really good damage but has awful mobility. It was a chore to get close to characters with zoning tools.

Firebrand

• Incredible mobility. He does low damage, but he'll be opening people up all the time.

• Grounded QCB + M is an angled jump that puts him in Flight Mode mid-way.

• Aerial QCB + M has him do an angled airdash towards the opponent while keeping him in the air.

• Using the two moves above combined, it's possible to go from 3/4 of the screen away to a crossup airdash in a small period of time. He is super fast.

• Spitfire is really annoying to deal with.

• Level 3 wasn't tested extensively, but it can get pretty crazy. One time when the Level 3 was active, a player was so confused by the mixups that he got tricked into attacking the clone rather than the real Firebrand. They look very much the same, and it's pretty confusing.

Phoenix Wright

• Maya Shield is very good. She stays out for 5 real seconds if she isn't hit. She also blocks hits from the other side of the shield, so Phoenix Wright can stand behind her and avoid attacks from the back. She can also take a lot of hits; with Berserker Barrage X vs. Maya Shield, the Shield lasted until there were only two or three hits remained on Berserker Barrage X.

• All Maya attacks have long recovery; you have to wait until she's offscreen to call her again. If you back up with Wright too much, Maya won't be able to run off screen so that you can call her again.

• Finding evidence is really fast and you can get all three in under a second. Bad evidence is a big hindrance as it's a bad, slow projectile.

• In Courtroom Mode the two best evidence projectiles are the triple-spread (knife) and the three-point tracking fireballs (cell phone).

• The real challenge is getting to Turnabout Mode with Phoenix Wright (landing an Objection).

• Turnabout Mode is completely ridiculous. Evidence projectiles can be double-shot and can force the opponent to make lots of mistakes.

• Press the Witness assist seemed useless. No wallbounce, invincibility or OTG ability.

Iron Fist

• The little time spent with him was spent trying to understand how to use his rekkas effectively. He does good damage and has good ground mobility.

• His air game is really bad and must keep opponents on the ground to have a chance at doing serious damage.

• Will probably be able to avoid a lot of his offense by chicken blocking.

• He powers up really fast and it will be easy for him to power up mid-combo.

• Only anti-zoning option is wavedash.

Nova

• Not tested extensively, but his mobility is really amazing and his attacks are good anywhere on screen.

• Nove's Tackle Hyper has properties that are a bit weird, and it seemed punishable on block.

• Nova's Gravimentric Blaster will always consume red life.

• The tracking on Energy Javelin is pretty weak. It's also a bit too slow.

Vergil

• All of his normals are unsafe, so he has to cancel them into other moves to keep them safe.

• Rapid Slash is not invincible and is slower than Berserker Slash.

• So far it only looks like Judgment Cut gets buffed as an assist in Devil Trigger mode.

• The Spiral Swords Hyper is really strong. The variation that places the swords above the opponent's head is also strong, as the swords that come down are not a true blockstring (leaving gaps to attack).

• You can't control how quickly the swords fire on the variations of his Spiral Swords.

• With Devil Trigger enabled (with the airdash) none of Vergil's normals can cross up the opponent except jumping S, which was hard to do.

Chun-li

• Her new OTG move is the stomp kick. Can probably be followed up with on her own to make a combo. The playtester was able to use it as an OTG by Instant-Airing the move (Tiger-Kneeing) or after a hard knockdown with a neutral jump and a stomp before landing.

• EX Spinning Bird Kick seemed good, but it doesn't have any combo potential.

Taskmaster

• Shield Skills travels more ground horizontally but does it slower than before.

Sentinel

• Rocket Punch to Hyper Sentinel Force doesn't work anymore unless done at the beginning of a combo.

• No armor on air normals (this was a mistranslation earlier)

Magneto

• Disruptor is slower on point and as an assist. It's still a good move though.

• Repulsion can keep characters out for a really long time; the only real answer to it is wave-dashing and even then it takes a while to get to Magneto.

Arthur

• Jumping S OTG might be possible to follow-up without an assist, but an assist will probably make it easier.

Deadpool

• It wasn't possible to combo from gunshots > teleport.

• While it feels like the teleport cancel from specials should open up new combos, they didn't find anything yet.

Haggar

• Haggar's crouching H OTG can be canceled with Forward + H (pipe swing) but this doesn't combo, so he'll need an assist. The opponent seems to recover really fast after this OTG even during non-extended combos.

• Forward + H does a ridiculous amount of hitstun just like before.

Spencer

• Death from Above has this "pose" animation at the beginning that hinders its usability. Prevents it from comboing into anything or doing any OTG attacks.

Hawkeye

• Command normal arrow charges really fast, within two seconds. It can't be canceled into anything though. He recovers really quickly, so fast that you can perform specials afterwards almost immediately.

• A full charged Command Arrow does three shots, a non-charged one does one shot.

• Slide is very strong and can be canceled. One trick is to cancel it into the forward flip, fire an ice arrow and then follow it up. With a good cover assist it's really hard for the opponent to block this.

• Back Flip is OK for running away and the Forward Flip is good for a surprise forward-moving attack, but if the arrow is blocked Hawkeye is not safe. Forward Roll seems useless.

• Poison and Ice Arrow can OTG, but it was harder to do with the Poison arrow for some reason.

• Can combo from his Level 1 Gold Arrow if the ground series before it was short.

Dr. Strange

• Disks of Denak and Teleport is a simple mixup strategy that's effective. Disks can also protect Strange from teleporters.

• Dr. Strange's height actually makes him a bigger target than most characters.

• Mystic Sword projectile is a very fast projectile.

• Range of normals seemed weak but it didn't affect him much.

Strider

• Ground dash is really good.

• OTG bomb comes out quickly and also functions well as a standalone projectile.

• Wall Cling will attach to the wall behind the opponent only.

Zero

• Buster cancelability from specials is really strong. Can help with instant overheads, fast crossups and just tricks in general.

• The TAC trick doesn't work anymore.

Hsien-Ko

• Can't cancel Senpu Bu into anything.

• None of her normals OTG.

• Gongs seemed to travel further.

• Lots of new items to throw but none do anything noteworthy. One freezes and another electrifies and it looks possible to follow these up, but it seems very useless.

• She cannot jump-cancel any of her normals.

• Bombs thrown still pass through the opponent.

• Still possible to OTG Tenraiha after a command throw.

Ryu

• His rapid-fire Hadouken has a lot of durability. It actually ate up all of Hawkeye's arrows in a projectile war.

• During an X-Factor test for a simple bread and butter combo, combo damage was separated by level like this. LVL1: 720k, LVL2: 840k, LVL3: 970k. Definite damage decrease on X-Factor.

• Takes a long time to charge up the Explosive Hadouken, not sure how people are going to find the space to use it.

• Hadou-Shoryuken has slow startup.

C.Viper

• Can't cancel EX moves into any special moves confirmed.

• Optic Blast-like move doesn't seem to work in combos, and during a durability test with Zero's Buster her blast went right over it. Could have uses, but it seems doubtful.

• The rest of her tools seemed intact.

Amaterasu

• Air dash nerf hinders her offense, as expected.

• Weapon switch change in the air makes combos more flexible, such as Ground Bounce > Weapon Change > OTG Sword before you land.

Iron Man

• Startup of Unibeam might be faster, but it's barely noticeable. The most notable startup fix is to Aerial L Unibeam.

• Repulsor Blast will now always leave the opponent on the same side on hit. L Repulsor throws opponents to the back, M and H to the front.

• Air dash noticeably slower, can't cancel it quite like in Vanilla MvC3.

• The normals cancelable into airdashes buff seemed really hard to take advantage of, but the player only tested for about five minutes.

Spider-man

• Spider-man can still block during Web Zip, but he can't block during his regular airdash.

Tip sent in by Carlito Keyes, Alex_MMorales, Ultimatekd and Vulcan786.

Comments

Hakansoilbarrel said on November 7, 2011 at 8:59 a.m.

(NOOO NEMESIS ES MALO...sorta

YES FIREBRAND IS GDLK

Chicken blocking?

Tackle hyper is for projectile punishing, nothing else, not suprised(Nova)

*SPITTAKE* CROUCHING H INTO PIPE *DROOOOOL*

ahmyga ahmyga ahmaga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Dafamx said on November 7, 2011 at 9 a.m.

I dont mind getting zoned out, somehow, some way i will get in and do major damage with Nemesis.

If i cant get through someones zoning its my fault and mine alone.

I_H8_UnitySnow said on November 7, 2011 at 9:18 a.m.

Halleluhja
GREAT INFO!
Thx for not teasing us!

Fightingfan69 said on November 7, 2011 at 9:25 a.m.

Iron Fist's air game balances out his ground game to a point IMO. If he does such good damage when he's in there should be a flaw to his offense and that is getting in.

All in all he is one of the characters I'm so looking forward to.

SpadeHand said on November 7, 2011 at 9:44 a.m.

Damn it. Looks like I've still got a long road ahead learning Nemesis.

Hotdiddykong said on November 7, 2011 at 9:47 a.m.

So your just gonna keep updating? Nice!

Press the Witness is effective during combo's but as an assist not really effective. Im just gonna be using it all the time considering its Wright's 'Haters Gonna Hate' walk.

Concerning Arthur, his Fire bottle is more usefull as an OTG, Jumping S would be good at some position.

ChunLi said on November 7, 2011 at 9:48 a.m.

Can they PLEASE give something good to Hsien-Ko?!?!

She's getting NOTHING.

bullitt23 said on November 7, 2011 at 9:50 a.m.

looking forward to all the new characters. Can't say there is one which im highly disappointed with in terms of variety and playstyle.

I_H8_UnitySnow said on November 7, 2011 at 9:55 a.m.

-Lei Lei still not going to be used much. (Waste of a slot)
-Viper has a new move that doesnt do anything for her game. (Except make Cyclops fans pissed)
-They made Ryu really good (ofcourse)
-What's up with Sentinel not having Armor on his air-normals. That seemed like something cheap that Capcom loves to do.
-Hulk with 1pt of armor on Standing H? Well that's OK considering what happens when it hits.

I_H8_UnitySnow said on November 7, 2011 at 9:57 a.m.

I liked the way they knew Amaterasu was a female yet nobody knows she's really a God/Wolf.

#10

EmeraldFont said on November 7, 2011 at 10:07 a.m.

Everything I read about Sentinel is a nerf.

I understand that he was a little too strong in vanilla, but it's like they're intentionally making him low tier in Ultimate, and it seems to be working. He's getting wayyyyy over-nerfed.

The global nerf to X-Factor was already enough to tone him down to acceptable levels, but now they're taking his health and combos? Come on, Capcom, he's going to be terrible now...

#11

HyperCombinationFinish said on November 7, 2011 at 10:23 a.m.

YES! Spidey can still block during Web zip. Gods be praised!!

#12

thischarmingman said on November 7, 2011 at 10:25 a.m.

Hulk - Standing H only has one point of Super Armor

Even though everyone else is saying it has 3 hits now? I hope this isn't true, I've tried the new Incredible Punch and it's incredibly worthless.

#13

Hotdiddykong said on November 7, 2011 at 10:31 a.m.

@Chun li #7

I noticed in Rocket Racoons Trailer that Hsien-ko's Sempubu reverses. That could be pretty useful.

@9
Your a waste of a comment, learn, she doesnt have to be easy to use.

#14

BigDanDrew said on November 7, 2011 at 10:40 a.m.

thank god for some ammy nerfs. by far the most annoying character for me.

#15

GlassTop said on November 7, 2011 at 10:49 a.m.

Listened to each characters theme as i read, made it fun. This read gave me more confidence in Firebrand. He did such low damage from regular normals, i started to doubt. Hsien-Ko isn't getting anything. And believe it or not im actually happy about it. She is a very annoying character, and her tools seem ridiculous against zoners. I never played her so im probably wrong. Arthurs buffs seemed pointless. The health buff aint gonna save him when someone gets in. And I still believe he is gonna be outzoned by others like dormammu, hawkeye, ghostrider, and stuff like that. THANK GOODNESS SENTINEL DOESN'T HAVE ARMOR ON HIS AIR NORMALS!!! All the new characters seem good. I want more info on Frank Wests level 5 and Rocket Raccoon.

#16

anj3l16 said on November 7, 2011 at 10:49 a.m.

WAIT WAIT WAIT.

I thought Hulk was getting getting more points of armor on his S. H? wtf? I got trolled again.. this is very disappointing.

#17

Von_Kunlun_BOOF said on November 7, 2011 at 10:51 a.m.

@11

I remember that Max said out of (The big characetrs) Sent, Nemesis and Hulk that he thinks Sentinel is still the best.

And I don't wanna say that his l.RP to HSF is a direct nerf but rather the many things affected from the hitstun change in the game. I mean lets be honest, whenever you do an ABCS>MMHS>l.RP>HSF, doesn't it seem like the character being hit just kinda floats there for awhile?

#18

I_H8_UnitySnow said on November 7, 2011 at 10:54 a.m.

@ 14
Where did I say ANYTHING about useability?
Oh you cant respond because YOU MADE IT UP?
OK go back to your troll cave!

#19

yamas11 said on November 7, 2011 at 10:55 a.m.

Why is Hsien-Ko even in this game?

They should have put in Q-Bee or Jedah instead, would have been much better at rush down in this game.

#20

Fightingfan69 said on November 7, 2011 at 10:57 a.m.

@#8

I totally agree about the character Lot's of diverse game-play styles. Although I must say that the Capcom side is a bit weak. Of Course that is my opinion. The characters on the Capcom side I might end up dabbling with is firebrand and Frank West. All the MArvel Characters revealed seem so much fun. I'm definitely looking into the entire new Marvel Roster.

#21

FShoryu said on November 7, 2011 at 10:59 a.m.

#11 Wow, you must be joking. That's still big poppa pump. He has everything from vanilla except Punch into Sent force. Removing a stupid-good tool doesn't make a character useless.

#22

LitchiFayeLing said on November 7, 2011 at 10:59 a.m.

#14 If you mean when she swings back and forth, she can already do that. I do, however, think she was moving a bit faster.

#23

sidechar said on November 7, 2011 at 11:27 a.m.

@20

She's here to troll Arthur and maybe Chris? Her gongs made her a projectile lover's nightmare, though I wished she could reflect beams too...

#24

xShonuffx said on November 7, 2011 at 11:45 a.m.

*Looks at Hsien Ko changes and opinions.....spits coffee*

Look I understand everyones desire to make every character viable but if everyone played like Wesker or Wolverine it would'nt be fun.

This is a 3 on 3 tag team game. If one character can destroy a whole team without X-Factor whats the point? Hsien Ko has strengths and glaring weaknesses, you fill the gap with a strong team that works with her, assist ect. Hsien Ko will win games for you as soon as you get rid of the stigma that she needs to play like Dante or something.

#25

THE_GODDAMN_MASTER said on November 7, 2011 at 11:52 a.m.

Chun-Li confirmed for ass-tier in Ultimate as well.
Thanks for that Capcom!

#26

apotropaic_puppet said on November 7, 2011 at 11:57 a.m.

My main team online is composed of the three darkstalkers girls. I've even gotten compliments on them.
"Cannot cancel senpu bu into anything"
does that mean she can't fallow up with an air-h now or something? That's the only way I see it as. o.o
the rest of her seems pretty identical to vanilla, which i dont have a problem with. plus gong traveling further can really help. i just wish they would've changed the start-up time. >.<

#27

obake said on November 7, 2011 at 12:03 p.m.

We're happy that you guys put the information out and more people can read what we found out.
But it would have been nice if you checked with us first, especially if you're going to do major editing of the text and post something very different from what we did. There's some stuff in there that isn't even the same info that we originally wrote down.
We know our English isn't perfect but still, a simple heads up would've been nice.
Also, this is missing a link to where the info was taken from, just in case people want to read the original posts.

#28

sidechar said on November 7, 2011 at 12:05 p.m.

@27
I thought the gongs are faster now?

#29

apotropaic_puppet said on November 7, 2011 at 12:14 p.m.

@29 idk o.o
i hope X3
that'll at least be something good for her >.<

#30

Hotdiddykong said on November 7, 2011 at 12:35 p.m.

@19
What? Your raging senselessly, how am I trolling? I bet you never used hsein ko or just mad she's not wolverine

#31

Hotdiddykong said on November 7, 2011 at 12:38 p.m.

@25
I know right, hsien needs good assists to cover her weaknesses and she's hard to use, nothings wrong with that but apparently to scrubs, "If their hard to use, their a waste of a slot"

Her gongs reflects projectiles that arnt beams, and she can effective if one can take the time to learn her game, same for MODOK and arthur.

#32

AnaboliChris said on November 7, 2011 at 1:09 p.m.

chicken blocking = fuzzy guarding.

#33

I_H8_UnitySnow said on November 7, 2011 at 1:35 p.m.

Frank's vomiting after drinking shouldnt be an issue. Just call an assist to cover you. Like MODOK's Shield

#34

NEWkidCJ said on November 7, 2011 at 1:38 p.m.

Can someone please find out if Repulsor Blast as an assist still does the same thing?

#35

GeeK said on November 7, 2011 at 1:48 p.m.

Are they sure about the Hulk standing H?

It already has 1 point of SA in vanilla so that would mean they didn't changed it.

#36

shambles said on November 7, 2011 at 2:14 p.m.

hulk standing H has one point super armor!! ;ljzbnseuhrpuw3h4 :D:D:D

#37

MightyAfro said on November 7, 2011 at 2:55 p.m.

Just a couple questions...
What's chicken blocking? (I've never heard the term)
and Where did "Wave Dash" come from? I heard it alot when I was playing Smash Bros with friends.

#38

Nyoro said on November 7, 2011 at 3:16 p.m.

Chicken Blocking = Holding up-back to prevent high-low mixups.
Wave Dash = Canceling your dash with a crouch, then dashing again.

#39

GlassTop said on November 7, 2011 at 4:03 p.m.

@38

Im sure wave dashing was much more harder in Smash Bros Melee than in this game. I still look at the video's in the MLG tourny's and wonder how they do that.

#40

YoshinatorZ said on November 7, 2011 at 4:07 p.m.

No Tron Bonne?

#41

yomaaaahval said on November 7, 2011 at 5:49 p.m.

never again will i jump away at the start of a match vs hulk ;]

#42

SJDevs said on November 7, 2011 at 6 p.m.

#16 Tools? What tools? Henkyo-Ki and then getting blasted with a beam super?

I don't know which comment it was but, regarding Hsien-Ko going backwards for Senpu-Bu, you could always do that by mashing the attack button. It's relatively useful, as in everything else she has is terrible.

I don't think Hsien-Ko/Lei-Lei users were asking for much. Remove the useless bombs, cancel the pendulum, a wee speed up in movement, and a decrease in start-up times for some of her . That's minimally what she should get, but didn't get any of it.

Her c.H looks like it would OTG, and probably should, and does not. I'll continue to use her, but I definitely wish I had some more potential to work with.

#43

xShonuffx said on November 7, 2011 at 6:12 p.m.

@39 haha The term is new to me but I figured thats what it was because of the word "chicken."

Obviously I know what wave dashing is though.

#44

dot_dot_dot said on November 7, 2011 at 6:16 p.m.

#7 what do you mean nothing? I've met some really challenging hsien kos online, play with her enough you'll find out good stuff with her.

#45

Fightingfan69 said on November 7, 2011 at 7:23 p.m.

Found this on SRK his final thoughts which I don't think was posted

Final Thoughts

Well can’t think of anything else, if i remember more i’ll post it up here, Long weekend full of work and didn’t have much time to sit down and get this stuff done.

Anyways like was said before, We only had 4 hours and most of the time we had was getting HP values and seing Frank West and RR stuff, we tried to cover as much stuff about other chars as possible but since this was the very 1st time we played UMvC3 , we had to start from scratch with all the new chars.

Overall the game feels better balanced, Since lot’s of chars got better, and X-factor seems more balanced out. But there will still be a large gap between the top chars and the Bottoms like Hsien-ko and Arthur. I hope ppl find stuff to prove this idea wrong.

Air dashing not being able to cancel to Block will certainly be one the bigger changes to the gameplay at least in my view. It’s gonna give a bit more trouble to Air dashing heavy chars like Mags, and Storm and its gonna hurt chars with worse dashes even more like Hsien-ko and Morrigan since it’s another tool they have to use more carefully.

#46

MightyAfro said on November 7, 2011 at 8:48 p.m.

mm... thanks for the info. and yeah wave dashing was something Inever bothered learning. I know Luigi was supposedly the best at it

#47

streetman88 said on November 8, 2011 at 7:20 a.m.

@#26 Dont knock off miss "Thunder Thighs" just yet wait till u experiment with her a little bit before u make your judgment. There where characters in vanilla MvC3 that didnt look like much until pro players started working with them more. She-Hulk was one of those characters that comes to mind when she was first annunced and look what happend to her so dont blow a case before there even is one. LOL the irony

#48

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