Tip from USAtlas.
sorry but harts yun looked really boring.would much rather see alot of the others who own alot more use him then ryan hart. idk maybe im not used to seeing such a boring kind of playstyle. Sorry if this sounds insulting but im just saying how i feel about how he uses the character is all i already know ryan hart is very talented sf player but still.
interesting matches..
@4 no your probably thinking about the salty racist Ferdi Guler. his name changes alot on xbox live.
I gotta agree with you #7. Refusing to shake someone hand is not right but then again aren't they team-mates in Canada Cup?
@ Weltall #6
Funny you should say something like that, as Japanese players stated that the skill level of European players was higher than that of the foolish Americans.
just finished watching all of the matches and wow never knew ryan hart would ever be so salty lmao what a sore loser glad he got washed up by loufy great job! never seen a rose player dominate a yun like that ever ( even though his yun is seriously garbage). congrats loufy glad to see you using rose even though said characters have better tools then her in AE glad to see other characters besides yun yang feilong viper and makoto winning.
@10 They said that at the conclusion of a tourney in Europe that they obviously want to be invited back to because the money is FREE.
You're an idiot. What has a European ever done at EVO in SF where it really matters?
Ryan / Starnab / Etc are all free at EVO.
LOL cant believe anyone said Europe is higher level then America thats definitly not true! Ryan hart was so salty after he got bested by a rose player (Louffy) losing with yun AND sagat and refused to shake hands wth was that all about?!
this is why a few peoples words shouldnt ever be finalized especially when it comes to who is better then who etc because its something that wont really be concrete since its more about showing consistency in performance and such and hart showed us exactly how not to play yun and how to be salty and not even shake hands even though he lost.
@ 17 i believe it was just a dualshock 2 with an xbox controller adapter thing from online
@14 They get free money in the US aswell, they do not need to be polite to get money.
Also that whole "what has european ever done at EVO" statement really isn't a strong arguement. It will cost alot more for flights, hotels etc for europeans. Plus the prize money is rubbish when coverting over to most european currency due to the dollar being so weak. Its not really worth coming over.
@5 That's the best Rose in the world who's beaten top japanese players, by player quality you want Yun, Fei, Viper, Akuma, Yang, Makoto, Sagat, those are all you see in top 8.
Having rose win is a nice change, we would have seen more rose play around the world if it wasn't for U2 nerfs.
Why is Ryan the captain of his team at Canada cup? Most of the players in his team are better than him. Louffy and Evans especially are much better players.
@24
Please point me in the direction of all these Rose players in the tourney scene. Yes Sako did wonders for Rose but then to drop her instantly upon AE release. Arturo only plays her begrudgingly and Gootecks doesn't play her consistently either. Using SSF4 Rose as an example has nothing to do with the way Rose plays now in AE.
Other then the guys (myself included) on the srk rose forums Luffy is the only one representing Rose. His skill at the game allows him to get past Rose's limitations. He doesn't need the flashy combos (which the first one in your video example is no longer possible in AE). Flashy combos =\= pro player.
There are still a few Rose tournament players out there. I for one am a Rose/Gen tournament player in So. Cal. Hell I even won a tournament out here using AE Rose. Louffy Rose is good and so is Sako's Rose.
Funny, I'm making a transition from Vega to Rose and was gonna ask if any pros use her. But according to comments above it seems Louffy's Rose isn't the best. Anyone know another good Rose I can look up?
saltybiscuit
I absolutely agree. Sako is/was the best Rose ever...no doubt about that. Yeah, the tournament you are talking about was called BeatByContest, where Sako beat Alioune (Cammy) quite convincingly (with Rose)! That's a quite bad matchup for Rose...but Sako played Rose like I've never seen before! Sako is just on another level!
The Japanese are the best at AE. America and Europe are both trash. Evo and Seasons Beastings are both American tournaments held on American soil and the Japanese always win them. Same goes for the EU tournaments as well.
Japan have been the best at SF and Virtua Fighter since time began and it won't be changing any time soon. The level displayed in this tourney was not up to scratch with anything I've seen from the Japanese.
@34
Don't don't get clever. Many people think the US is on the same level as Japan.
@saltybiscuit: "Call luffy the best rose in the world if you want, but he gets that title by default, because the players who have to deal with a vastly more competitive scene likes japan are too busy using characters that will win then a 'real' tournament."
So your argument is that others are actually better Rose players than Louffy because they dropped Rose for characters who are easier to win with and he didn't? Sophistry.
@Super_Shoto_Fighter_4: "The Japanese are the best at AE."
...So?
The problem with Europe and USA is that the arcade scenes arnt very competitive and we have to travel far just to get to the arcade. Playing online can be a burden due to lag. Most places in Asia they are pretty much part of the culture. You could just go downstairs and pop into the local arcade and face pretty competitive casual players. (I learnt this travelling asia for a year)
Even I must admit the UK scene isnt very big at all and its hard to find top players. Major tournaments cost a lot to travel to as well. I am looking forward to Canada cup though...Im impressed with Luffys Rose so far. Its good to see us even have a team! lol
All this smack between nation/region is so irrelevant. Save the salt-shakers for Canada Cup guys.
Yeah, Ryan Hart can really come of as a douche sometimes, which is a shame, since he's a pretty decent guy when he's not salty. I wish he's switch back to Ryu, he was really good with him and a lot of fun to watch. I've seen him at tournaments, and it's always been pretty hype. This Yun... nah.
And Louffy was in the zone, nobody can say anything against his Rose.
congrats to Luffy !
funny to see that rager will never stop finding reasons to say he doesn't deserve his reputation :) keep on raging, nothing changes :)
really disappointed by R.Hart with his hand shake refusal and his lack of adaptation with yun (rush dive kick rush even when it was clear his gameplan was countered everytime)
@#38 You really never know, dude.
Why did Shiro get 2-0'ed by Art at EVO? He got caught offguard hard by the character, and Art's skill as a player. Same story for Mago vs PR Rog at SBVI, and Gamerbee vs Justin.(although Justin was rusty from being on WCG)
I can totally see Kazunoko being thrown off by Louffy and losing, but I could also see him just being stomped. Crazy stuff happens, especially when players are caught offguard by a strange matchup.
I am european and yeah us scene is definetely bigger,and better than european.But if u spoke about the real top players european can easely deal with USA.Unfortunately european team@ canada cup isnt the best no Vryu , No alioune.Alioune can OCV us team for free.There is no yang like him in all the western countries.Jwong try to build a yang rubbish ,Pr rog tried rubbish, floe yang ... no comment.
Americans speak a lot but they never show there face again i ask , my self , why , if we are so free , come and take the biggest tournament cash prizes in europe, come in cannes WCG and stunfest.Deminion leran a lot in europe and i see him beat a lot of player in us tournament so wtf?
46 is right. Alioune is one of the best players in the world, he is one of the few western players who is on the same levelas the Japanese. He got the skills to OCV the US team at Canada cup if he was in the team. But you never know, everything is possible, US got great players too.
But to be honest, without vryu and Alioune I think Europe's gonna be pretty free.
And by the way, I really don't like how Ryan Hart acted against Louffy. And he's gonna represent our continent as a captain? I mean Ryan is a good player, but he doesn't need that kind of behaviour.
And he should pick Ryu or Sagat, I think both of them are stronger than his Yun.
@ 48
So losing to Sako = exposed? lol Please gtfo...and dont bring the 7-3 matchup bs, did you see that recent video of Wong's Dan beasting on Air's Ryu? Dan is low tier as it gets and Air has one of the best (if not the best) Ryu's outside of Japan.
Alioune is the best player in Europe, I wouldnt go as far as saying one of the best in the world though, and you yanks need to stop saying 'he must travel to EVO'...not everyone can afford to fly across the continent. Its easy for you yanks because you just need to sit in a damn car and drive
@48 Alioune got his own life bro, he seems obviously that he cant move as he desire,everyone in france knows that sometimes he attend tourney sometimes not,it is life.
Every body know he can't move as he wish, but he is sponsored, so why Elive pro with people like RF,Kindevu,Kazunoko,Ogosho,dakou,Dune,BAS,xiaohai,MOV signed a guy like alioune ask ur self why?, he is not a marketing product like kayane(who is a beast too but in Soul calibur and dead or alive), he is a beast, that's the reason.
But why did u not show us when he destroyed fuudo in exhibition in sf4 vanilla, fuudo was the second best ryu in japan just behind daigo,ask gamerbee who won the FT50 between him and alioune in super.Talk about match for top player so rubbish, luffy exposed daigo twice with rose , so what daigo is scrub to lose a 6-4 match up? BS. Talk with wolfkrone ask him what does he think about alioune, and why does he watch european tournament streamings too?
Nerds in europe are way hotter than the nerds in the u.s.
wow... ryan's yun is pretty bad. he never used option selects, very few safe jumps, never used the ambiguous cross up dive kick on opponent wakeup, he literally dive kicked at 90% of his neutral jumps without trying to bait anti-airs, i saw very little frame tramps, very little real footsies, and he was literally NEVER punishing those focus backdashes that luffy was doing to his dive kicks...
not ripping on ryan, his sagat and ryu have amazing zoning, but his yun is ass.
im not making a blanket statement about european players, im sure there are a lot of killers but for a grand finals... that was pretty ass level 1 or 2 yomi play, NOT what you expect from some of the "best in the world".
@ 48
Haha, 1 match that Alioune lost and he is exposed? And it's against Sako who is one of the best Japanese players. Everyone loses sometimes.
And Sako lost against Justin, just like he lost against so many other players. He lost the Ibuki mirror against Clackey D, what does that make Sako in your logic?
Alioune is without a doubt the best in Europe and there are very few western players on his level. He plays his characters on their full potential. I don't see anyone in the US who's Sagat, Cammy or Yang come close to Alioune's.
And stop with that bullsh*t EVO argument. It's easy to go to EVO if you live in the USA, but not everyone has the money and time to travel there.
@55
Totally agree, Alioune is arguably the best European player out.
Obviously he would have trouble with Sako's Rose for many reasons.
1. Sako invented Cammy, he knows all her tricks, frames etc etc to the very last detail and maybe knows more than Alioune.
2. The rose matchup is not a common known matchup even though European players can play Louffey, there Roses are quite different.
3. Sako is one of the best players out also being one of the Japanese gods and basically inventing and mastering multiple characters just for fun (Cammy, Rose, Ibuki).
4. You cannot judge a player by one loss especially when they have plenty of wins against other great players as stated above against fuudo etc.
etc etc
Also about the arguement that USA are better than Europe, The japanese stated they think the Europeans are better and isn't that all that matters? There are over 10x more US players attending Evo than Europeans and you still say Europeans are worse when some of their best players didn't even go? I'm pretty sure the japanese know more then you eventscrubs.
Btw just realized Louffey was an asian so argueably the best player in France is asian, stay free all other ethnicities <3.
Na I kid but it's cool that he is Asian though :)
Ryan was obviously pissed off. It was poor sportsmanship not to shake his hand, but when you're salty and not calm about it, you're not your normal self.
Louffy's Rose is solid, used the back dash and focus attack dash cancel to its full potential. Got 2 ultras in most rounds and made his Yun fear jumping in.
As far as who is better in terms of continents, I think what would help is clarifying are we talking about the general population or top TOP players?
General population of US players is very bad because no one likes to spend time in training mode. Something the Japanese say is the most important thing.
I'd say the US is at the bottom of the barrel in terms of general population. When it comes to top players, it's Japanese then US (small handful of them that go to the big tournies).
To illustrate my point, a number of the general population of online Ryus can't execute a FADC into Ultra. Does that sound...like strong play? lol
The Japanese most likely were not talking about the small handful of elites. Because the likes of Wolfkrone, Latif, Wong, Flow, and others would obliterate European top players.
@ 58
I think the Japanese gods were talking about the top players. Like the top 4 or 5.
I don't think that Alioune ever played offline against Wolfkrone or Latif. They did play online, and guess what. Alioune won, he even perfected Latif.
Flow? You probably mean Floe right? Good player, but I'm pretty sure Alioune would rape him for free. Both Floe's Sagat & Yang are a joke compared to Alioune's.
@58
You can't put Wong and Floe at the top of the US players for AE because they simply arent anymore. Wong isn't as good as he used to be same as floe, marn etc but I do agree that Latif and Krone are some of the best not really sure who else though but yeah :/
Problem X looks like he will be totally free at Canada Cup. Looked worse than random online Seths at many points....lol.