Arcadia Magazine has posted new tier rankings for Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition. These are May 2011 listings, and include Evil Ryu and Oni, the most recently unlocked fighters.From Alebielsa24 and 等級6 天 via Twfighter.
The tiers will change once its out in the masses. No big deal here...
I feel they need to have more grades because half the cast is C rank and it seems like characters that got a bunch of buffs like Deejay are the same, and T hawk went lower and all of of his moves got buffs
Just watch dudley go to top of the C rank when I release my AE tutorial
Oh my GOD.
Ryu with Gen??? yea ok there. his damage output may have been nerfed but hes still got the tools to be way more effective then Gen. plus he got his to U1 back. im no pro so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but i think this list is a bit rushed.
People have NOT had time to figure out Evil ryu and oni akuma so I would take thier ranking with a grain of salt. Heck since AE machines dont have a training mode I would take all the ranking with a grain of salt till the game has been on consoles for a long time....... Cant wait for AE
@9
Akuma has a vortex were ER doesnt. what makes Tokido so effective is Akumas non stop pressure once an untech-knockdown is applied. ER can do combos like Akuma but his playstyle is a little off from Akumas. plus not to mention his teleport is a pile of balls.
@2:
We'll miss you.
@4:Yeah, it seems quite rushed. On top of Evil Ryu and Oni being put in a quite obvious "I don't know how they work" position (bottom of C-Tier but not so low as obvious whipping boys like Hakan, Hawk and Dan), the C-Tier in general is quite crowded, as if the maker of the list only bothered putting effort into deciding who went into A- and B-Tier. S-Tier is bandwagon stuff and E-Tier can't possibly have been investigated enough.
So apparently, Cammy is in the same tier as Akuma and Makoto, and ABOVE KEN.
I think that speaks for itself.
watch a this get a bazillion comments
anyways, imma still play ibuki. and my viper won't be A tier until I implant bionic fingers into my hands. I'm glad offensive characters rule the day a little more this time around.
List is quite rushed also I have a hard time believing that Ken & Bison are Bs while Cammy is A... Also funny how some of the buffs some characters got still didn't move them up.
@#1 and @ article.
Gief in A tier is just so dam laughable. Because he does well vs the twins doesn't mean he belongs there.
Dgaf about Oni being low.
He's still sick as f*ck and I'm still using him.
seriously i dont understand why sakura is suddenly seen as a higher tier - her changes in ae seem useful, but largely unrevolutionary to me (i mean stuff like double hits on air hurricane kick is nice, but not game breaking)
as sum1 whos mained sak since vanilla, i feel like sak has always been beast but people are only just realising in ae when shes got her buffs
Sakura: she was a good character both in super and vanilla, but she had alot of bad matchups, and alot of those characters were top 10 and frequantly used in tournaments. Now that those characters are less used and nerfed, and sakura got buffs she is more viable in tournaments. Also, a lot of the Japanese never had access to her cause they played vanilla arcade.
Oni/evil ryu: C tier is not bad, look how much of the cast that is there. Expecting them to place higher than characters like rufus, sim, abel, honda +++ is expecting to much. Neither oni og evil ryu has anything revouloutonary they bring, they are just average characters.
Short version, C tier is good/avaerage, anything below/above is unbalanced.
yang is $-tier, but ken is only B tier...ken is low A tier
@27 giving her a fireball that she can actually use is a pretty significant buff. Plus she is probably rated too low on this list.
This list is wrong its not to be accepted by anyone, only thing right is yun, yang n fei n A tier. everything else is wrong. I'll wait a while for the official, pure tier. Everything until then is refuse(garbage for those who dnt know).
People have to see that B and C are very close to each other. Also A and B are close too!
It goes kinda like
S
- (maybe even closer like 1 1/2 "-")
-
A
- (maybe even closer like a half "-")
B
C
-
D
You know what I mean?
C and Bs can compete with no probs against each other also can A and C's. But it's tough as a C character.
Also A character have a good shot against the S characters but it's also tough.
I feel like this when I read this list.
Disagree or agree with me. I wanna hear feedback anyway :D
I gonna hate having to do even more work as Claw to win like I do, I think the only buff I got was a better crouching MK frame-wise and chaining an EX Crystal Flash with a crouching MP but seriously, I don't use Crystal Flashes. Sigh...
what, hakan and dan still on the bottom? figures! and there i thought that ono and his side-kick battle director would have learned from the interview in which daigo, mago, and another top player all admitted that Hakan was the worst.
and why cant they give something to Dan that makes a lot more people use him?
Dan is much better than bottom; he's easily mid. Shame nobody uses him, this giving him the bottom spot.
@41
he was A teir in Second Impact with his ridiculous double Denjin. how could he go from decent (Alpha) to crazy (SF2) to the best (SF4) down to poop (SSF4 AE) to crazy again (SF3 2nd Impact) to absolute horrible (3rd Strike) lol. seeing as how he is the face of SF youd think he would be the best char, but to each his own i guess.
I really hope this game isn't as unbalanced as early reports seem to suggest.
SSF4 was almost perfect except for a few characters (Like Hakan, Guy, Makoto, Gen, and maybe Juri) being a little underdone.
@TheShotokan: How much have you played the game? It feels like most of this is pretty much pure speculation based on some videos from Japan and the change log, but people fail to recognize how changes to one character affect the standing of all other characters, too. While not quite the same, this is pretty similar to people arguing about how Dudley was going to be S tier in Super or how Gouken shouldn't be allowed in tournaments in vanilla because he was going to be too strong. It's pretty undeniable that the twins and fei are pretty strong, but most of this info is coming out of Japan, where 2 of the top 3 players have been using those characters since the launch of AE. If Mago switched to Makoto for AE, I'm sure there's a chance people would have her on S-tier at this stage.
@49: I don't see HOW it's similar. AE has been out for several months in Japan, and nothing like that happened with Super or regular SF4.
And we didn't have tournament players outright stating that Dudley and Gouken were the best of their respective versions, unlike AE.
So the analogy really doesn't work.
sorry, but no wway in hell am i gonna sit here and actually are believe ryu and honda is now only C tier... just not happening.
that, or i'm seriously gonna have to back and review the buffs and nerfs of all the other characters...
this list will change, drastically, without a doubt.
@#53
just cause cammy is being played as much to your standards doesnt mean she cant be consider good. Looks like more higher ranked ken players than cammy yet a tier under.
@#56
Rufus is a solid character with a solid gameplan but he doesnt have anything special going for him really. Amd lol @ eventhub tier list. And snakeyes skills far exceeded the limitation on his character choice.
Is Cammy really still that good? I know Sako has been getting a 90% win pct with her but it's Sako! I wanna see some footage.
I think I'm the person who likes the balance changes here. This version seems more balanced than super and I agree with everything Capcom has done. The tier list looks fine. There are a lot more mid tier characters than there were in super so I think that it's shaping up well to be the best version.
all these nerfs and buffs just ruined this game. how is the brothers and fei long stronger than saget akuma, and bison. they still couldnt even add bison's cross-over to his devil reverse and skull drive. wtf. thank god for bbcs2
@62 I guess you don't understand what an opinion is. No matter how much you want it to be true it's just your opinion.
didnt think oni & evil wud be dat low. but wow at makoto, she made a pretty big jump. i hoped dat t.hawk wud of gotten higher up. he's pretty under-rated.
poongo(seth) won an ssf4ae tourney...akuma can use srk and air fireballs.....guy got buffed and adon was buffed..this game is focused on how to beat the twins+fei..ssf4 was all about turtling .. AE is about rushdown
Oh please everyone, don't think that just because yun is top tier that people are going to pick him. Theres still going to be an infestation of shoto and guile scrubs playing online. You all fail to realize that Yun is a bit harder to play..... Think of it like this: Rufus was supposed to be extremely powerful, yet we never saw him on online play. Don't complain about Yun being in tournaments either, when most of you probably won't enter a tourny....... Its a blessing that those 3 are top tier, because now we won't have a bunch of tier whoring people playing since the characters actually take skill....
@72: Uh...no. I know you're a 3rd Strike fanboy and thus you're just recycling arguments, but SSF4 was NOT all about turtling.
1. The character you are using?
2. The reason why you chose this character?
3. In a 3on3 tournament, what characters do you want to form your team with?
4. Reasons?
1. Main:Yun
2. Reason: fastest rushdown and can comeback anytime
3. sagat(comeback king), gief(anti rush down)
4. sagat is my zoner and gief is just strong
I do play Cammy and Sakura but I'm just a random Swiss player. xD
I'M not gonna complain about the tiers because I find all the top tier in AE a lot more interesting than top tier in Super. (and also because of Sagat's buffs :B)
fei's been my main since vanilla. even if he ended up at the bottom in AE i wud still play him. i guess its just a fortunate thing for me dat he's on top ^_^
@87
And most definitely 1 in 10 will actually learn how to use him for real.
Yun vs Dan in Evo 2011 would mak ethis game more interesting, Yun vs Yun would be boring
Ugh, no one respects Dan. Better recognize the Hop Kicks, cause there coming for YOU
i will still play as juri but it looks like i need a new main,since she didnt move on the tier, but at least sakura and makoto are strong now, and cammy looks like a good option too, my sagat is strong but i dont like using fireball heavy characters and fei-long is just too good to feel good using him.
@98: I think Dan's ranking in D tier is due more to tradition than actual prowess. He's better than RYU, now, so expect to see a lot of those Dankukyakus in the future!
@99, how about trying adon. he's at a pretty decent position on the list and isn't a fireball user.
Been rocking Gief since vanilla. Yun what you gonna do brother when the Russian Enforcer comes after you.
adon finnally stepin up although i felt to me imo is the best for me
Im really surprised by Cammy being A tier. When vanilla came out everyone thought she was terrible. She doesnt have an overhead, a good crossup, or decent throw range (worst in the game). Her TK cannon strike carried her and now she doesnt have that. Only thing I can figure is the buffs to her normals must be amazing.
I hope Rufus really is C tier. 3 Rufus in top 8 at ufgt. Hopefully he dies out.
Lol @ all the people crying about the tier list being rushed because their favorite characters are not where they want them to be.
Arcadia doesn't rush tier lists, folks. They more about making these than anyone of you will ever know about.
@109
Correction, her TK Cannon Strike carried all the people that used it as a crutch. Her true strength came from her really good combos and useful normals, and what do you know, her normals (and by extention, her combos) are even better now. Should be no surprise at all, especially when you consider that a nerf to her TK Cannon Strike isn't going to hurt her match ups that much, which is the case here.
#111 SnakeX
I love you for saying that stuff. After reading every comment here, and I literally mean every comment. You seem to be the only comment that makes any sense. Finally somebody that is not crying about their character being in the wrong spot. Finally, somebody who knows Cammy will be great. James Chen said she was gonna suck in AE, but guess what guys... James Chen was VERY wrong.
the list sounds spot on to me.the twins and fei (all non scrubby chars) at the top. gief with the +frames no kd green hand buff combined with u2 is beast.c.viper didn't change at all while others got nerfed so she moved up.sagat got his TU back so he's perfect now.akuma's akuma just with slightly less stun.cammy with beast normals...things are def gonna be interesting very soon.
B tier and up require skill to use while all the braindead/turtle chars from super (ryu,guile,honda,abel etc.) got put down to C tier mixed with the others that even though got buffs,didn't quite get what they needed to move up (gen,adon,elf,dj,etc.).
Yes ssf4 was indeed a turtlefest when compared to the direction AE has taken with regards to balance. regardless of how good the offensive chars get, u can still mash dp/super/ultra on missed links,wake up and spam fireballs all day..only now if u choose to fight that way ur gonna have to last longer doing it meaning ur gonna have to earn that win.ae is def the most balanced iteration of the sf4 series to date.no more braindead autopiloting allowed scrubs, step ur games up!
Ahh... Tier or no tier.. I will go with Evil Ryu or Yang! yea
@114 - how? cuz the tops this time around aren't braindead and actually require skill to use?ryu and company that got nerfed still have solid gameplans.only now u can't go on autopilot and be braindead about it.u can't spam FBs and low foward all day or run away with tatsu no more with ryu or spam booms,backfist and cr.fp with guile.etc. the balance in ae is fine.ppl just have to actually think while fighting now.
Top 10 is yun.fei.yang.ken.sagat.viper.makoto.akuma.gief.cammy
Stop just looking at the buffs/nerfs.
Take deejay. He got alot of buffs, and one of them is a way to combo midscreen into ultra easy. Deejays main problem in super was hard links, low damage and no ultra combo comebacks. All of these things got changed in AE, yet he is still low tier.
This is because AE is a completely different game than super.`If deejay had the same buffs in Super he would have been a top 10 character for sure. However in AE, projectile characters are weak because of team china, and characters he was strong against are less played.
TL;DR: AE is a new game, stop comparing it to super.
Last time I heard Chensor, he said he really wants to play with the new Cammy because of all her new links.
Kinda expected Sakura to be B haha, seen some really excellent play against top players in Safari.
@116 We always think while fighting you know. what i don't like from this tier is why the monster shotos aren't on the top? they should be. They are more powerful version of characters that in the game. So, does this mean fei & twin brothers can defeat evil ryu & oni in story?
I think the 'tier list' for what it is, is a far more condensed list than ever in Street Fighter 4. Every character has been brought more closer to one another in terms of ability. Yeh we've got a few at the top who are very good, but I've never really had amazing problems with Fei Long in Super, and all I ever play is Makoto.
The game seems a lot better to me.
For people who have not noticed, the characters ranked in each rank are in order from best to worst of that rank. So when people complain about Cammy being A or Ken being B, Cammy is lowest of A and very close to the highest of B which is Ken. With Deejays buffs, he is not just C but high C and close to B and with this knowledge, the tier list seems correct.
@111: TKCS didn't 'carry' anybody. Mashing Ryus beat indiscriminately spammy Cammys. Now _low_ cannonstrikes on the other hand... they could have kept those in but just made it unbufferable on the ground (requiring tweak to game engine?), so that you couldn't tiger-knee it and would require the skill to pull it off with that speed. Then no height restriction would even be needed, human limitation would take care of it.
Lol #9 , Akuma got a vortex which is the most important part of his character, ER doesn't have that + a bad teleport + no air fireballs (if Im correct) he just has a breadnbutter like him.
Also YAY to capcom! from going to an amazingly balanced game everyone was happy about, to a game with THREE S tier chars, not to mention 75% of those are EASY(!!!)to play.. Vanilla was bad enough with ONE S tier (Sagat) Great..such BS.
#106
"The only grappler I like is a D-tier -.-"
Well that is not shocking information seeing 66.6% of all the grapplers in the game are D-tier.
I have to say, Im happy that very few characters that were good at turtling in vanilla and Super are not in the top 9...though there are quite a few in the next tier down.
Though Im not a Ryu or Sagat player, it seems unfair that Ryu lost his DP trade ultra while Sagat still can Trade>F-HK> Ultra among a few other characters. I was really hoping they would get rid all trade>special/ultra shananigans from any characters left with them in Super. Oh well, still gonna play the h*ll out of this game.
my god a lot of u are idiots if u honestly think ssf4 was balanced. turtle & dp chars ruled that game same as vanilla. now its finally becoming the offensive game super was supposed to be.so cuz ae has S tiers its less balanced? love the logic guys.
in super, save for akuma and fei most of the tops had braindead tactics that ppl rested on like a crutch promoting autopilot play.guile could spam booms and cr.fp all day.cammy had tkcs man did ppl ride that ish to oblivion.dictator had free ass lk scissor pressure my god that was odee braindead.
now the S tiers u ppl are bitching about actually take skill and patience to play effectively, 2 things scrubs do not have.I find it funny how most of u most likely haven't even played AE are bitching at the very sight of S tier chars w/o even looking at who those chars are or knowing what they're about.the twins have glass jaws and all three need to get in and stay there to be effective. again something scrubs will not be able to do. most will see them and say "what? he doesn't have a fireball? he's ass!" and go back to the shotos.
@135: The fact that you think people spammed TKCS (or that it was overpowered) immediately invalidates your giant wall of text.
Guile and Bison scrubs? You can only be talking about online, in which case you look even more like an idiot.
I think some characters belong more in B class and a little less in C.
It's still a decent ranking though.
Zangief might be strong, but he'll get murdered by Sagat without his KD on his EX Hand. Chun-Li would still be a monster against him as well. He's my main, I love him, but counterpicks against him are just a *****.
Also, Sagat being strong now is not bad. I've seen Sagat and Dhalsim beat Yun, so if anything, he's there to keep the rush down in check.
Capcom did make these characters strong, they wanted players to use them in tournaments and to make AE a faster/exciting game. Capcom's strategy worked, did you want to see Ryu turtling again in streams and tournaments? It'll happen less often now, be thankful. I'd rather the twins be good than see zoning and turtling chargers all day.
@139: You'd rather 3rd Strike characters be good than the original cast. Ahh, priorities.
(Also, Ryu turtling in tournaments? LOL'd heartily!)
When you look at the new vf all the low tier are b class if you are going to have s tier characters that makes sense.But to have s tiers characters and half the cast c isnt fun.i have played yuns and while he isnt scrub friendly he gets to decide when he can rush where rufus has to figure out how.Whats funny is yun can sit full screen building meter with palm and most of the cast cant do anything because he can fake t-palm then his ex lunge is plus 1 which means
you cant whiff a poke.Makoto can punish whiffed pokes with full combos now and does nothing but whiff strong from the other side of the screen.which was there before but now she wants to pand a full combo.welcome to ae where the rush down chars are the best turtles.lol.
Cammy does not "suck" in this game at all. The issue here is that the changes to Cammy going from SSF4 --> SSF4-AE is that those changes turned her into a character that is more footsie based than a rush-down type character. Yes, the removal of her Tiger-Knee-Cannon-Strike did have a big effect on her rushdown offense capabilities.
Fixing her TKCS glitch hampered her rushdown abilities more than some people may think, but improving the frame-advantages on her normals gave her footsie game a HUGE boost. Those changes may not sound as much, but they did in fact transformed her from a rushdown type character into a footsie character.
Now the problem in SSF4-AE is not the fact that she's not high-tier. The thing here is that in AE she plays very similarly to Fei Long. And the people who would be choosing Cammy usually ends up going with Fei Long instead due to the fact that Fei Long is even high-tiered than Cammy ( Fei-Long = S while Cammy = A).
That wasn't the story back in SSF4. In SSF4 Cammy played quite differently than Fei Long did. She was unique in her own right. Now she's just like a slightly worse version of Fei and most people would rather choose the better of the two, Feilong, when they want to play a footsie character.
@136
Have you forgotten Sako at Godsgarden already??? Please re-visit the videos of Sako using Cammy against Daigo, Momochi, and Uryo in round 2. You might also want to re-visit the videos of Sako using Cammy in round 1.
Only an idiot would argue against the fact that Cammy's TKCS was not OP after watching those videos.
I am not surprised with Cammy being so high ranked. Same for Sakura I have been waiting for the first player I ever used to actually be worth using and look at her. I feel bad for Ryu, the face of street fighter and Evil Ryu who looks so cool be so lowly ranked, but I can assure you this list will change. Charecters like Oni and Evil Ryu or even Akuma should aall be A tier they all look cool. I don't get that, but I am happy for charecters like Ken and Feilong rank up. I
I am unhappy with Yun and Yang being so unfair and the fact they are so new and stuff. People will spam the mess out with them. My favorites all became higer tiers. Ken, Cammy, Sakura, Feilong and Sagat. I have always like Ryu as well, but he is just to overused for me same for Akuma. I justhate the fact that Yun and Yang are you're amazing awww charecters and Ryu isn't I kind of liked him being the face of street fighter now he will be getting punked by thoose fags who will be forcing me to use zangief more lol, but it is what it is tho
I'll be really interested in seeing how Zangief fairs as time goes on. I suppose people in Japan have figured out how to optimize his game without the mix-up pressure he had in Super, but it seemed like a pretty big nerf to me at the time.