LLL|Ryan Hart posted a new entry on LowLandLions.com further documenting his experiences while playing Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition in Japan. Here's a snip.
Ryan’s strange training day:
“I can't say I had a good day today but nothing to do with my own performance. I am improving every day as I learn matchups and setups etc. But it was later on in the evening when Umehara and Kazunoko made an appearance and got into one of their sessions as usual.
One thing I saw that I didn't like today is as soon as Daigo arrived and sat down to play 80% of the players stopped playing totally and just watched. Of course I don't mean they all forgot their credits, stood up and watched. lol Of course they played the credit they were already using until someone beat them but once they lost they stopped playing totally.
All the machines are linked and at this their was Daigo on one side and Kazunoko (really strong Yun ranked number 2 after Daigo) on the other side so basically wherever you played you would end up facing one of those two. But I mean seriously, I had no idea this kind of thing went on in Japan.
Well that was very depressing to read. Hopefully they rebalance in a year or so with a patch.
in my opinion, maybe they enjoy watching high level plays more than actually playing. i usually would stop playing if i see a good player on another machine; i would rather watch him than be playing.
Chances are i dont think they are scared to lose or anything like that or waste credits, probably just using that time to learn from the top players while the opportunity presents itself. Just as Ryan Hart was paying attention closely to daigo and kazunoko play styles and what not who said the rest of the players arent doing the same.
I didn't really see that sort of thing in CTF (when it was open.) If someone remotely famous was on the machine people would actually line up to try their hand at it. Sure, that meant that people weren't playing *other* games, but their presence didn't deter them from playing.
Maybe it's a different mentality altogether. Arcades are rare in the US, so when you do go you go for the competition.
From the way he's written that text, it seems he got his ass handed to him by Umehara and Kazunoko. I wanna see his Yun though...
rebalance 4what??? lol learn your matchups and your spacing or dont play...tired of all the complaining and bitching about tiers...
@Jerry
I was talking about when Ryan mentions how unstoppable Yun is when he's dealing offensive pressure.
@13: Yun only has two bad matchups, and one of them is himself.
I'M tired of all the 3S fanboys coming out of the woodwork to defend him...
Think about it...Ryan said that after awhile ALL you ended up facing was either Kazunoko or Daigo. Both using YUN! Even if I was itching to face these two just to say that I did...after about 10 bucks wasted, and everybody else just watching me get folded.....I would feel a little scrubbish and embarrassed. I would just start watching matches myself.
(mind you, if my matches were close loses..I would keep playing.)
After awhile you're not actually getting better..you're getting frustrated that what normally works for you is not working! Getting better to me is also stepping back and looking at the matchup, breaking down your opponents strategy, Then going back to the drawing board and working on your skills to counter or adapt. (hardcore training) If I was to think that by just mere throwing in money into the machine im going to by osmosis get better with some guy(s) who fien the game like a religion...Im only fooling my wallet and myself. (If it was on console, that's a TOTALLY different scenario tho. They would have to kick me off! Id mash rematch so fast, nobody would get a turn.)
I guarantee most of those Jap players there were all probably PROs in our eyes and probably average 30,000+ in BP and yet they know better than to just donate they're hard earned money into the machine just to get "experience". I assume they themselves are looking at the strategy and breaking down the difference between their style and the obviously better style from Daigo and Kazunoko at that time..
this game seems like its going to drop hard in fun value, kinda made me think, if me and my opponent were equal in skill but he picked yun and I picked a character that doesn't have really good tools, i'd lose.
I wish I was in Japan. I would be that guy who's always playing and losing to Daigo so much people will get tired of watching Daigo play me. Until I start to get the hang of things and win. lol Justin Wong & Daigo are lucky that they had an Arcade where they grew up. Every time I found an arcade the MvC2 cabinets was always broken.
*Cries a river*
@15...lol ur a clown bro...its not about tiers...its about player skill which obviously a majority of you people on here dont seem to understand...like i said learn ur matchups or plz stfu
@12 and 13
I think you missed the point of the article.
@11
Well he went there to play people, if everyone got up to watch Daigo play who is he suppose to play then? The computer?
I think he is just reinforcing the fact that Yun is just too strong and that it may have changed everyones attitude when playing SSFIV AE.
The way I see it. SSFIV AE is dead, the new game is SFxTekken. Faster, aggressive, less bull probably, more popular characters. This game will be the new CvS2 I think and that is why they decided not to focus on balancing AE.
@19...no i never said he was but what sf game hasnt had a overpowered character....plz name one
@23...i wasnt referring to the article when i commented...mind your own business lol
@23 He can play online.
I'm sure even if he still picked Ryu, people would still get up just to watch him play simply because it's Daigo.
I've said this countless times before. YUN IS NOT EASY TO USE. AT ALL. Yes, he may be strong, but he is tough as hell to learn and use. You are in for a rude awakening if you think you can just pick Yun up *snap* just like that. Anyone who thinks otherwise have never played 3rd Strike.
@25: Way to put words in people's mouths and completely ignore what they're saying!
And yes, 27, they are deliberately ruining another Street Fighter series by bringing the worst parts of another one into them for no adequate reason.
Some fakers on this site need a Balance Patch for their Fighting Spirit.
Imagine if players whined like B!tches because a pro team had a better player?
Imagine if they just said "I'm not playing cuz he's too good!"
Your all a bunch of wannabes. "Yun, sob sob sob" "I'm not playin, sob sob sob."
Good, gtfo.
Me? I can't wait to beat Yun down!
I don't see the big deal here he went on to list 10 characters that counter Yun so if you're soooo scared of Yun learn those match ups and stop whining.
By the way, I guess I'm playing Yun "wrong" because whenever I play Yun in 3S, I mainly play super defensive and usually turtle with him, despite that he's more of an offensive character and I usually rush down with other people. But he's so hard to use that I usually have to turtle in order to win with him.
Yun is OP their is no question about that. He can just control the match and you cant do anything about it and like Ryan said Yun usually takes control of the match during the first 5 seconds. Once everyone gets the game and after giving it some time people will find ways to beat Yun and will know how to fight him. Look at Rufus, once super came out Rufus was considered Top Tier, now people are saying he is mid at best because people know how to deal with him. Same thing will happen to Yun, people will learn how to fight him and he wont be as good as he is now except he will still remain top tier.
@Jerry
I've never played the game personally, but from what I've heard Yun's SFIV incarnation is just an easier and watered down version.
Yun in 3s is very hard to use, but I'm not so sure about the SFIV version so the payoff may come easier.
@ 15 THE GODDAMN IDIOT:
did you even read the post?
"There are characters who can fight really well against Yun that I've noticed, so far from what I have seen these 10 characters are: Makoto, Yang, Sagat, Ibuki, Ken, Rufus, Zangief, T Hawk, Guile, Dictator"
I play Yun and he isn't difficult to learn at all. In fact, you don't play Yun, you play Genei Jin. Spacing and hit confirms are elementary high level practices. Genei Jin is where 80% of your time is invested in when playing Yun. He's broken but I'll still run Guy, Cody, Makoto & Yun and play this. Until everybody gets to spend time with him outside of arcade goers, strategies to counter Yun/Yang are limited since EVERYBODY has a different approach to every match with some tactics being more universal.
#35
As ridiculous as Rufus was in vanilla (A rushdown characters with 1200 hit points? Sounds good!), he still didn't have the options that Yun has. He has also seen a numbers of nerfs since then. As it stands, Yun can do everything Rufus can do and more. He has all of the rushdown/mixup potential and none of the drawbacks. People will figure out anti-Yun strategy with a handful of characters, but I don't think Yun will lose to any character in AE. 5-5 at worst.
@29
Ah, you again... Listen dude, I don't even need to read the freaking posts to figure out the tone in this chatroom.
Hold on, I'll read them...
Hmmmm,
Whining... Check
Complaining... Check
Ah, it's the usual crap. A bunch of clowns who HAVE NEVER played AE talking about who's strong and who isn't.
Just because Ono didn't outrite say "Oh, Guile is strongest" in Super, or, "Oh,Sagat is Op" in vanilla, doesn't mean they weren't!
Ppl have been freaking out since that statement was made.
In a recent tweet Ono said "If we have time I'll bring back Sodom and Rolento!", should we take everything ge says as the Gospel? No. We play the game, we figure out who's strong.
there's bad match ups and then there's yun loool that's the kinda talk that kills the game which is what I'm currently doing. teee heee ho ho ho *runs behind tree*
With all the ridiculous nerfs in ae i dont know how people are surprised. I hope people really consider this write up before buying ae.
Its hard to fathom whether he means that people are stopping to watch or because they're scared to play against Daigo. Both are understandable, but hell I would kill to play a match against Daigo, regardless of how bad he kicked my ass.
I agree with you guys. AE is so unbelievable imbalanced. I mean, i haven't played more than a handful of time, but i'll just take your word for it.
I remember when SSF4 came out I already knew not to buy it by looking at these Eventhubs posts! Thanks. Just go back to some old threads for some REAL info:
Hakan was wwwwaayyyy overpowered because he can move while focusing.
Dudley is impossible to defend against and completely OVERPOWERED!!
Juri is GOD tier!
I mean who in their right mind would ever purchase Super no less AE.
Chickenwings, weren't you the guy that was always crying about SSF4 being too expensive. LOL. Now your crying about AE. Have fun playing yourself in vanilla.
A Quote from Ryan Hart : "In all honesty tonight is the first time I've not enjoyed the game, and it's just from watching as well. It's a shame because I actually did ok but it's not because of my performance, it's because today I really saw that Yun is too much. Even Daigo as good as he is with Yun couldn't do a thing once the other guy got control of the round (which usually happened in the first five seconds).
I think in this game it's too hard to escape Yun's pressure without taking a really stupid risk and I don't think that means the opponent is bad and deserves to be punished hard for it."
Go tell him he is a crying baby, lol...
When every top player playing AE is saying that Yun is "Too Much", call us nuts, we pay attention.
@48: Yeah! It's not like professional Street Fighter players have said that Yun is overpowered! It's not like CAPCOM has said they altered the way the game mechanics affect him to stay true to his 3rd Strike incarnation!
It's all those pesky Internet people with their contrary opinions!
I can't tell if NerdGuile is being sarcastic or not lool
I think the only unfair matchup is someone who is spamming a spacing move against somebody who has NO spacing defence.
(Note these are examples of Professional matchups)
Dhalsim VS E Honda
Dhalsim VS Zangief
DeeJay VS Dan
Guile VS anybody without fireballs
Seth VS Blanka
and so on....
You get professional players getting all spamming and "scrubbish" with they're attacks when they all KNOW how to fight with combos....that when it's the most frustrating. But honestly, these guys are playing to WIN. They aren't trying to win a popularity contest and they don't care what you want to say about them on EventHubs or Shoryuken.com or any forum for that matter. They got money and rep on the line and they do what it takes to keep it that way. :(
LOL,
Mago, Daigo, Tokido all have Fei Long as S tier.
Here is a link to another eventhubs article:
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/ja...
Even the newest tiers all have Fei, Yun, and Yang together.
Ryan Hart is a crybaby. Remember his loss to Luffy? Notice Ryan is LEARNING FROM DAIGO. If Yun was so strong and easy to use; how come Ryan isn't winning on his own? Why should anyone take Ryan's opinion on this game seriously if he is getting his ass handed to him. He is NOT daigo, mago, tokido, nemo, etc... I am sure they just think of him as a scrub.
If ryan is so good release his win % and compare it to the really good japanese players.
The last AE tournament only had one Yun competing in the finals. DAIGO.
I have a better idea, why don't we just nerf Daigo instead.
You do know Ryan has defeated Daigo before in vanilla & super.
yea we all know Yun is strong but when it gets down to it, its the player not the character. you all make it seem like your going to run into Daigo. Fei is stronger then Yun/Yang in AE. but the reason people arent complaining about him is because theyve already played him enough to understand whats weak and whats not. and how to beat him. give it some time guys. when you learn the match-up and still cant win theres only two options.
1) you absolutely suck, or
2) your playing someone better.
to say Yun is unbeatable is saying the person using Yun is unbeatable, which we all know is total bull. theres not a single match-up in SF4 that is impossible to win. every character has a chance, even Dan (even though hes ranked higher then Hawk and Hakan).
@The_Goddamn_Master
Everyone and their mom says Fei is S tier, even higher than Yun. How come you never whine about him? All you ever do is whine about Yun, yet there's Fei who's placed higher than him, but we never hear about him from you.
By the way, it's not just Zangier, grapplers in general like Abel will be a nightmare for Yun.
btw guys the scariest characters in the game will be the mid-low teir or even low teir characters when top players start using them. do any of you reall yknow why Kurodas Q was so strong? or how Hayao and YSB kicked ass with Hugo? because people did not know the match-up (thats half of it). when you get an outstanding player like these guys-mixed with a character whos never been used or read, you get someone very powerful.
im waiting for Oni, and hopefully (sorry fanboys) i hope hes trash so when i pick him and play him i can hopefully surprise some people. my point? learn other match-ups and stop complaining...its just a video game after all
@57: HIGHER than Yun? Says who? Seriously, what could be higher than god-tier?
The same people who say Cammy is top-tier, despite the fact that nobody plays with her, let alone entering in tournaments?
@59
Daigo Mago and Tokido (arguably the best players in the game) are saying Fei is much better then those two. theres a link right there.
@59...lol by all top players its no secret that fei is top tier lol....i respect peoples opinions on here but the complaining has to stop yo.....do what i do...learn more than one character and counter pick..there solved
@60-62: Jeeeeesus Christ. Yang in the same tier as Yun, and Fei Long's better than both of 'em?
How exactly are people willing to defend this game?
@63
like someone in that link posted before. i would rather take the opinion of these guys then some random EH comment. sorry dude nothing personal, your just dead wrong about the game. plain and simple.
It's natural that if one character or two dominates the roster...character selection in high level play where money is on the line will be severely limited. I tend to dislike that as well, but really, who wants to see just 2 or 3 characters in high level play? I want at least 12 - 15....if not more. =/
Also, how can you compare Yun to Rufus? Yes, Rufus is a powerful character, but his weaknesses are MUCH easier to exploit.
Yun doesn't need a lot of stamina. His combos are simple and he has many, has 2 good ultras, an attack that stops a lot of buttons and cancels out fireballs, and his Super is the best in the game. Unless Rufus, you will never be able to keep Yun out (like Fei Long or Makoto now). Once Yun gets in and pummels you in the corner, you're done. =P I'd rather be trapped in a corner with Dudley than Yun with Genei Jin.
His strengths are a combination of nerfs in AE coupled with all the goods he has in AE. Mobility, hit confirms, reliable ultra damage, a super that puts most to shame, and a good dive kick to set up offense. Yang has pressure moves to deal with boxers and grapplers (like his Mantis Slashes), so Yang can easily counter-pick them. lol
This is just an analysis from watching so much footage and practicing the game on my own. Character's strengths are fairly obvious. The only way to force them to rebalance is to not buy the game. lol
If I end up watching streams and just see Yun/Yang I'm gonna be pretty upset. lol
#42
Yep, I'm 100% serious. I don't think Yun will have a single matchup where he's at a clear disadvantage. He's certainly not going to lose to the grapplers since command grabs are a joke in the SF4 engine. Daigo whined about Zangief because Zangief can turn Yun into an above average character rather than a god. A 5-5 matchup is a nightmare when almost every other character is a free win.
I'm glad all you scrubs whining about YUn didn't play SF4, since Sagat had zero bad matchups in that game and Yun has a more than five. Of course Sagat was still super beatable and almost no tournaments were won by Sagat.
Yun is just an excuse for crybabies to cry. stop playing the game.
@48
i never said that, i actually praised ssf4 for its 35 dollar price tag and if u consider what they gave u it really was a fair price. U got alot better online modes over sf4, alot of new characters and the balance from 4 to super was well done. With ae we got what? 2 new characters with 2 more shotos and a crap load of unnessary nerfs to the existing cast.
ANd then when u read my post i didnt mention anything about pricing, just about balance changes. SO please try harder to learn how to read.
ryan needs better comma placement. I had to reread some of the sentences because it didn't make sense =(
#68
Comparing vanilla Sagat to Yun doesn't work because Sagat's overpowered garbage was completely linear and one dimensional. He overloaded you with fireballs until you jumped into a juggled/FADC'ed ultra and he did a lot of damage overall. Yun's overpowered garbage is worse because he's a walking roulette wheel. Maybe not as bad as, say, C. Viper or Fuerte, but so much of his BS is ambiguous and guess-oriented.
Also, Sagat did have at least one unfavorable matchup in vanilla: Dhalsim. That's one more than Yun has in AE.
@63 What is wrong with you? You claim to be so sure that all the top players say Yun is top. How the hell do you miss them saying Fei is higher than him? Do you just choose to be selective and read whatever you want and just skip the rest? How is it possible that for someone who takes the top players' opinions about Yun being so OP to heart that they don't even believe them when they say Fei is higher than Yun? Please, answer me that.
@73 Zangief, T. Hawk, Abel, etc. Basically an grappler. Zangief - Yun is like a 8 - 2 matchup. Yun has to get up close to Zangief in order to do anything and Zangief can just piledriver his ass. I also believe Zangief's grabbing moves have priority over Yun's. Not only does his piledriver usually do huge damage, Yun has extremely low health, so he'll bleed.
@74: What is wrong with you? You claim to be so sure that Yun isn't horrendously overpowered. How the hell do you miss the top players saying he is?
The same top players who say that Cammy is top-tier, mind. And that Yang can compete with his brother.
@77: I'm sure you will.
But Fei Long doesn't irritate me nearly as much as Yun and his fanboys do. He requires slightly more skill, and his combos don't last for a goddamn hour.
But why does Fei Long irritate YOU more than the skateboarding brat who might as well be CAPCOM's new mascot?
@76 Makes me wonder what fighting game you play if any at all since you complain this much about Yun. There plenty of "BS" in just about every fighting game all the way back to the SF2 days.
I also noticed how the majority of your posts on here seem to be nothing but "whiney" type complaints instead of intelligent argument or even an attempt at starting off politely.
I completely understand the need to vent if you're not satisfied the way a game was developed but to post the way you do so many times makes me wonder why Catalyst allows you to go on.
Again, nothing wrong with it per se, but it seems your comments usually are intended to start flaming or take a shot at one side of the community.
Nothing good comes of it which is not to say you're the only one or that I'm not guilty every now and then.
He doesn't irritate me. I have no problem with him. You just seem to be so set that Yun is god when there is another character who is placed higher than Yun and that's Fei. You always whine about how Yun is OP, but you never say anything about the one character who's more powerul and that's Fei Long.
Top players were saying Fei was the best just after AE dropped in arcade.
When we look at this many months later :
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/ma...
I see a clear pattern there.
I think Kindevu was the first to place Yun first, Yang second, Fei third in his latest Tier List. And by the way, he is a Yun player. I would honestly want to know if the others stand in their early opinion.
Wait and see...
I don't blame them for stopping when Daigo arrived. Doesn't AE cost like $1.25 USD to play over there or even more? If I'm right, you're almost like throwing money down the drain for 20-30 seconds of real time to play Daigo.
I dont bother if Yun is op, he is not an instant win but its a very easy character, all we know super is a very balanced character and all can win but all that I see online is high ranked characters, balrog, bison, akuma, ryu, guile, chun etc. I really dont see fuertes, hakans, vegas, sakura, or gens, super is balanced but very repetitive online
AE will be balanced if the twins dont be like they are now, fei wasnt buffed ( I really dont know why of this) and thats all, we will see more characters and not the lot of high ranked, a lot of high ranken in super were nerfed in arcade edition and that help low ranked characters to stand a little bit...
I see a lot of people here need powerfull characters...
@82 hahaha theres only a few ways of playing Daigo. either you somehow play him in pools for a major tournament if your lucky (which will also result in you almost automatically being sent to losers) you can play him at winners quarter finals semi finals or finals, or losers quarter finals semi finals or finals. and then theres spending at least $20 to play him a first to 5. to me spending $1.25 USD to play one of the best SF4 players for the average gamer doesnt seem like a bad idea lol.
meh.. I'll just wait two more weeks for the game to hit consoles and reserve judgment until then.
stopping and watching pro play is very important,for example i played against the best player in china that kicked my ass with yun,didnt have no time to learn a thing,after loosing i sat next to him and watch him 60 win streak,and let me tell you one thing ,those 2 hours of watching worth a week of training,i learned a lot of yun setup so.........
ryan hart said this
The best Sagat: Hanamaruki ,what the hell,and RF is in the toilet?
The best Yun: Daigo or Kazunoko
The best Ibuki: Iyo
The best Zangief: Itabashi Zangief,cantona is thousand better
The best Fei Long: Mago or Fuudo
The best Akuma: Tokido
The best Ryu: Togawa,sekinganryu and dan are way better
guess he was speeking about the arcade where he is.
"Have fun playing yourself in vanilla" hahahahahahaha
Screw Yun! I'm gunna destroy every Yun\Yang in my path ¬_¬ muhahaha
I also think Ryan is a bit hard. He just arrived in Japan, but I imagine Daigo and Kazunoko are destroying everyone for months in this place...
Honestly, I can understand the feeling of the players there. Everybody in Japan is not tournament material...
^^
Compare the Meerkat not Compare the Market.com simples *meerkat sound* LMAO
In Safari (where he is now) 1 credit costs 50 yen, opposed to most other arcades at 100 yen.
Many of the Safari players are tournament material btw. It's weird, when I saw Daigo earlier (Saturday), he indeed had a crowd behind him but opponents kept coming and coming. Not a day is the same I guess.
Also, Mago >>> Fuu with Fei imo, couldn't do anything about Mago but actually beat Fuu twice with Saks.
Ok, They stopped playing and watched Daigo, and? aren't we watching Daigo's and to japan players videos on youtube...etc?
So it's the same there, they just don't need a search bar.
If i was there i would try him (i'll loose ofc) then i'll watch him play.
And i feel some kind of frustration in what Rayan said, just keep in mind that in japan, Daigo is AKA cami-sama (God)
It never changes....nothing....EVERYTIME I see a SS4AE post on this site it's the same thing:
YUN YUN YUN YUN YUN YUN OP OP OP OP OP OP OP!!!
but yet....you people are STILL going to by the game.
Y'all are the WORST! I wonder if all of you (complaining people) have been whining about this game since 2008-09! NOTHING about this game is going to satisfy you. IF that is the case, STOP BITCHING ABOUT A GAME THAT YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BUY OR DON'T....BUY....THE GAME!!!!
Whats the problem with a challenge??? I went to Power Up in Cincy this year and guess who put me out of the winning bracets? J. Wong (SSF4) PR Rog (MVC3) and TOM F#CKING BRADY (MK9). they all used "OP" characters as you call them. BUT I gave them HELL BY LEARNING HOW TO MATCH WITH THEM!!! They beat me but I didn't make it easy that next match because you LEARN HOW THEY PLAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Some of y'all are like the bad ass kid in back of the class that doesn't learn a damn thing...let alone attempt to learn anything! If you're not going to ATTEMPT to learn how to match a character, then FIGHTING GAMES PERIOD are not for you! Y'all act as if you're not going to get ANY practice with learning how to fight Yun. When June 7th hits, do you know howwwww many people are going to use Yun, Yang, E Ryu, and Oni???? DO YOU NOT SEE THAT THIS WILL BE TIME FOR YOU TO LEEEEEEEARRRRRNNNNN HOOOOOOOWWWWW TOOOOOOO FIIIIIIIGHT THEMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
I'm just saying...but it doesn't matter what I say....there will be another post on here...about SSF4AE, then Yun, THENNN Daigo...and you're going to complain. I will i have EVERYBODY'S XBL AND PSN names on here. because I know for a FACT: as much as you complain about AE, come June 7th, ALL of you f#ckers are going to be playing it looking like a bunch of BIG F#CKING HYPOCRITS!
if you didn't like what I just said.......guess what....I don't give a F#ck! Do something about it.....on SSF4 and AE LOL!
PSN/XBL: MrNova749
Now Playing: SSF4 (AE june 7th) , MVC, AND MK9 (mk on xbox360)
Im tired of this shiz where we see the same 2-5 characters online, and its funny how people want more chars too. I wish people played whoever char they really liked and not just the strongest. (/Not talking about tourn) frking 40+ chars
Damn I thought Yun wasn't gonna be as overused (Online) as Ryu since I figured he'd be a little harder than Ryu. With his dive kick pressure etc. I see almost no Rufus's, Vipers, Akumas, cause they do cost a little bit of skill to use but are top tier.
Also one commenter was right. AE would be perfect IMO if Yun/Yang/Fei weren't this GLDK, Ono said it was his plan to get S tiers as well I believe. From daigo's list apart from those: - Highest are: Cviper, Akuma, Ken , Makoto etc etc. All of those except for Ken cost a shizload of skill and execution, that would be the perfect top tier list. Yay Capcom for ruining it
@MrNova749: Its obvious why people are complaining/still buying..they love SF4, and its one char everyone complains about, so of course youre still gonna get it.
I hate when people go ''Then dont buy it!!'' its still a game we want/like and played for years so of course you want it to be good, and we can't miss on the latest upgrade. But it does suck.
Also a challenge is cool, I loved fighting SSS Sagat since he was straight forward as hell..But this guy sounds braindead in every aspect. Daigo couldn't do anything in the corner literally? (Well blocking/Crying) and it cost almost no effort too? Thats just stupid.
Same thing happens here. If there's someone really good usually people don't want to play. Maybe they think they can't win?