You can use this page on Marvel.com to get a barometer of what the various power levels should mean.
To be fair, Akuma is always holding his true power back.
Okay, first off:
Fighting Ability refers to the character's KNOWLEDGE of fighting styles. Meaning that Taskmaster WOULD be higher than Captain America, if only because Taskmaster-- even if he's weaker-- actually KNOWS all there different fighting styles, and can combine them flawlessly.
So they seriously need to stop complaining about that damn part.
Ok on the Capcom side, 4-5 is average and 7 is excelling, but in the marvel universe they dont have cosmic beings and gods to really gauge them against. So if you took most of those values and halved them then it would be more understandable.
like Wesker would be a 3-4 in speed, basically teleporting, and strength is a 4 maybe 5, intelligence is about 3 at most 4 cause he is a tactician, fighting ability would be maybe a 5, stamina is a 5.
They are right about all the "normal" humans, like Chris, Haggar.. Tron, And the street fighters had way to high strength and speed. Akuma should not have anything close to a chance against the friggin Hulk.
However.
Zero, everything was right on. to unleash Zero upon his world is pretty much like letting Rambo loose in a senior citizens home. Only a handful (or, 2-3) could take him. Pretty much the same as X
Darkstalkers where if anything underrated.
But still, Street Fighters.. way overrated on the charts.
I'm far from a Marvel fanboy (and far from a Capcom fanboy as well), but I agree that these charts are a bit ridiculous. On the other hand, I don't really care and arguing about fictional character's abilities are a bit ridiculous as well. But I really enjoyed the video and got a good laugh out of it. Great work.
Gamesradar are nerdy marvel fanboys... they dis capcom chars without knowing crap...
SF and RE chars were overrated ok agreeable.... But Zero and DS chars were correct ... Zero can freeze time and travel at light speed(incase you din see notice at the battle start)....he should have full stats for speed and energy protection...not to mention he is the best maverick hunter there is which would give him 6-7 in fighting ability as well....
lol this is funny as hell... "c.viper - Shes only been in 1 game how the hell does anyone know"
@6 Dormammu(Marvel) is a God like entity Shuma Gorath(marvel) is a type of chaos god from the chaos dimension Galactus(marvel) is another Godlike entity who devours planets.... i dont think you know what your talking about LOL
cosmic beings and gods
Memphesto (marvel)
Black Heart (marvel)
Onslaught (marvel)
Thor (marvel)
the list goes on LOL
I like how Wesker's intelligence is a 7. In one of the fights in RE5, you beat him by TURNING THE LIGHTS OFF.
Its most likely from their respective titles but some marvel characters were overbumped or underbumped. She hulk shouldnt be 7 on strength leaving her the same as hulk, hulk is way more stronger.
The street fighter stats are too much but chun li IS fast especially in this game.
I do feel thrown off that these guys only care for marvel and have no Capcom knowledge, only 1 person knows viewtiful Joe and that's it, the others just know the characters as icons.
Two different universes, two different sets of rules. Haggar, Ryu, etc. are far from NORMAL. Who the hell said Mike Haggar is a normal guy? Along with Zangief he's one of the most powerful Capcom characters as far as physical strength. Far beyond a normal human, the SF characters are the superheroes in the CAP universe. Akuma has performed feats of strength almost on the level of Hulk. Destroying submarines, splitting GIGANTIC rock formations... Seems like Hulkish strength to me. What a ridiculous debate.
Everything they say is on point the power grid is all f* up even if they were measuring gameplay wise instead of story wise it still be off so its better to pay no attention to it
Capcom's stats don't even make sense if you took Marvel out of the equation. Ryu would basically kick Ammy's ass all around town. There's no restraint.
I loved the "Akuma would not have a chance against Hulk" comment. You know, it's not like he has crappy health in every game 'cause he lacks stamina, that's just balancing the game - or he would tear everyone apart, ST style.
Loved the vid though, certain power levels were totally off, like Spencer moving at the speed of the sound, lmao.
The guys in the video do bring up a lot of good points. And you can't really say that the Capcom characters follow their own set of rules for the power grid...because there is absolutely no indication of that, and unless stated otherwise, both Capcom and Marvel are following the same set of rules for that 7-point system, so yeah, some of the stats for the Capcom characters are pretty ridiculous. I have to disagree with their assessment of Zero though, because while his stats felt a bit overblown, they're not that far off either, considering he is an extremely advanced android from the future.
I think it basically comes down to Capcom wanting to make their characters seem really good, heh. That, and whoever did the stats for the Capcom characters was probably not told what each of the stat levels indicate, such as 2 points in intelligence being regular human intelligence for example.
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Street Fighter characters are not super heroes, let's not kid ourselves here. They even mention in the video that Seth Killian even said that when they did X-Men vs Street Fighter, they had to make the SF characters a bit more over-the-top to match up with ACTUAL super-heroes. The only stats as far as the SF characters go that made some sense was Akuma's, simply because he's displayed some of those physical feats before...but even then, I'm fairly certain he's not as strong as the Hulk.
Also, Haggar is a human, nothing more. He's a pro wrestling mayor that beats up street thugs and has a sweet 'stache. You can't assume that he's anything more when there is zero indication of him being anything other than a human being at peak physical condition. And peak human physical condition =/= Hulk's strength and stamina.
These guys are making some points but they clearly know nothing about the Capcom side, so it's a little biased on certain levels. Wesker for example, they said he doesn't invent things, even though it clearly says in his description that he's knowledgeable with bioengineering and anyone who has played Resident Evil knows he has worked with several viruses and created all kinds of monsters, not to mention the manipulative nature of Wesker. Also, Tron Bonne is a mechanical genius who is only 14 years old, so that has to stand for something. I don't think either of them should have a 7 for intelligence but a 6 wouldn't be out of the question, so it's not that big of a difference or deal.
For the most part though, Capcom's powergrids are way overboard.
@25 (SnakeX): But... but... Mike Haggar pile drives sharks! :
http://www.roflposters.com/awesome-by...
Yup the Capcom side is for the (most part) more overpowered then they should be. Just imagine, according to his stats, Mike Haggar should be able to do this:
http://www.destructoid.com/you-wish-h...
More than likely what happened was, someone probably did a first pass on these stats and noticed that almost all the Capcom characters had significantly lower stats across the board.
They needed to do a second pass to normalize the stats to not make things look so lopsided.
@26 (DK_DOOM): Tron Bonne may be smart, but 7 means you are omniscient. Tron Bonne does not know of everything in the universe.
Just in general, Capcom's stats are not very consistant.
Ryu has never been known in the Capcom universe for being anything more than a guy who knows nothing but fighting. It's even been played upon a bit where he doesn't fit in with society at all since he doesn't even know common sense things since he leads such a focused introverted (where socializing is concerned) lifestyle.
As a whole, just how most say, Capcom's humans are way overpowered. Felecia may be a little overpowered even for a demon, but I'd say that Morrigan is completely correct.
She is feared even in the demon world as one of the most powerful beings in their realm. Her stats should be very high.
Interesting to note that most poeple in these forums tend to agree that Akuma can hang with heroes of Marvel since he has displayed superhuman feats in the past. The reason this is interesting is that he was a secret character (and only Street Fighter) in Children of the Atom and was kinda how the idea of the crossover series got started in the first place.
LOL that's funny. Haggars Lariat can reverse anything the Hulk does at close range. Guess that means he's stronger. Seriously though, not even the strongest normal human at "peak" physical condition could do the things that Mike Haggar and Zangief can do. For example, Haggar can grab hold of a person even larger than he is (think Hugo). Then he jumps high into the air with them and slams them into the ground. A normal human in peak physical condition has a hard time doing that with a basketball. No sir, these are no ordinary humans. What kind of genetically engineered freaks did you grow up with? Not to mention Haggars endurance. He fought his way nonstop through an entire city full of thugs at least three times. He's ignored bullets, knives, and explosives. I mean come on! He IS superhuman. And I'd wager he's stronger than Wolverine, Cap, and Spiderman. We're talking about a dude who carries an eight foot lead pipe like its a newspaper.
I never claimed he was as strong as the Hulk (whose strength is immeasurable) but he's far from "normal".
Tbh I think the stats are respective to their own worlds and games they originate from and would not try to compare most of the capcom characters to marvel and vice versa. For example I think Akuma's Strength should be that high. His Kongou Kokuretsu Zan can destroy and island has shown. Another example would be Ryu. If you remember Oro's ending, You will remember Ryu lifting that very large rock over his head :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D_KQl...
I'm a bigger Capcom fan, but I totally agree with everything these guys said. Like come on, Chun Li is not a freaking genius, and genius is only like a 3. I guess its because the developers didn't look at the guide of the power grid, and they didn't check the requirements for these. Maybe they were following their own criteria of what is what... but anyways, its really stupid, and they should redo it
I think the stars are a little off, but fair. If you put each of these characters in thier own game/universe they would be dead on. But when you put them head to head like this, it throws everything off. Of course characters like Ryu would stand a chance against Thor. That's why we play these games. It's a comic book fan and fighting game fans dream.
Looking at the power grid, I do agree alot of the capcom characters are OP, especially in Intelligence. It should be the lowest of alot of the capcom characters. Also, anyone know how Stamina is being ranked? I couldn't find it, I did find everything else but stamina.
@18
You have to remember who made the post. Just sit back and laugh.
Okay first this list is bullsh!t to a new level!! People defending capcom can tell this is f'd up. No way can haggar jump 3 miles in a single bound like the hulk and remeber this hulk wolverine deadpool x23 she hulk dormammu an thor cant die! Hulk only gets bigger and stronger he gets even to the size of sentinel if he is angry enough no its a cold day in hell when haggar is on par or akuma! Akuma sank a ship? Thor can blow up the earth he is a god akuma gets his salad tossed by ryu and failed to kill gouken!!! Cap fight ability should be to the max and his intelligence should be better he is a freakin genius how many ppl van calculate a shield toss for a perfect bounce back while runninng'!!! All the marvel chars r so much better but capcom upsd their stats to not let their fans down. I mean seriously chris? Wolverine can easily f#ck up the kijuju africans and the executioner and the freakin chainsaw dude. Wesker is a superpowered being he is way faster than felicia he can dodge bullest like the flash he moves at light speed no way i hell can a cat demon keep up! Mvc3 is f#cked up in all kinds of ways man wish mk came out sooner the more i watch this the more i realize how messed up this game trully is. If ya dnt mind imma play sOme mvc3 now deuces!!!! :D
@41
Oh and Dc is better than marvel i mean not only did marvel copy some chars from dc such as deadpool and deathstroke even the name deathtrokes real name is slade wilson, deadpool real name is wade wilson and his costume copied his! Spiderman has a villian named scarecrow with similiar powers to batmans scarecrow!!! Dc has the best villain oof all a.k.a the Joker. It has the first superhero the god father man of steel superman and then batman who iron man completly copied a whole lotta sh!t from such as owning his fams company and being a billionaire play boy who makes weapons for the army and sh!t except he to much of a bitch to fight face to face unlike bruce who can also build robots and sh!t like iron man so he way smarter abd a better fighter than cap. Superman stronger than the hulk y? Cause he can easily pick hulk up and drop him off at the sun where hulk would burn if hulk not burn then leave him in space where he cant breath and flash would outsmart spidyley and shoot him with a gun cause spidey cant dodge multiple buleest shot at him with speeda faster than light! Dnt get me started on martian manhunter im srry marvel fans dc would kill em
Since when did this turn out to be about the DC characters in a MARVEL vs Capcom game?
I think that alot of people here miss the point of the clip that it's just a fun thing they are doing.
Even tho I'm not a hardcore marvel fan or even having that much knowledge about the respective characters, but without seperating the Power Levels from the respective universes, they are QUITE off the charts! xD
Of course they know that the Power Levels are for the respective universes, they are just comparing them all to the same, Marvel, universe's Power Levels.
Hilarious and interesting vid, bring moar plox! =)
#44 Man shut up that's what I mean by fanboyism. DC copied heroes from Marvel just like Marvel did DC. Just like snk did capcom its nothing new. My point still stands Marvel and DC still have heroes that can beat each other who was made first is a mute point. Marvel characters where the first characters to have real personalities something that DC copied off of and the only thing to save the comic industry from ruin was marvel through the 60' to early 90's. They both have good a bad so Marvel = DC equal.
(Listen, The Saikyo Arts are unparalleled, so you can stop nerdraging, folks. Why ELSE do you think Dan wasn't in MVC3?)
this dudes have some good points but come on, tron bonne builds tons of stuff, and for their coments i can tell they never played megaman legends or the misadventures of tron bonne, she has tons of mechs, servots, ships and stuff, i think she has the same level of inteligence of tony stark, but a 7 is not going that far, her methods for geting rich are not that smart thoug.
Wow, someone was generous on the Capcom side. I'm glad they kept referring to Cap, cause I fail to understand why so many others like Chris are better than him. This wouldn't make much sense even if it was according to in-game speed or damage in the game. Knowledge of fighting should go under fighting ability, not overall intelligence. I'd argue that Storm would be smarter than Ryu and she's only a 2 which is considered normal. And tron is no Dr. light to be smarter than Iron Man.
THIS *HIT HAD ME LMFAO AND BTW FK U CAPCOM I KNOW THERES GONNA BE A SUPER MVC3 I AREADY PAID FOR JILL AND SHUMA AND ONTO SUPER MVC3 COMES OUT I AIN'T BUYIN *HIT CAUSE RIGHT NOW ONLINE NEEDS LOTS OF WORK YOU CAN'T SEE NO ONE FIGHT WTF WAZ SUP WTIH THAT AND LACK OF MODES FK MY MK9 GONNA HAVE MORE *HIT AND ONLINE AND ALL THOSE CHARACTERS LIKE DLC WHEN THEY ADD THEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE DISC FROM THE START NOW LETS SEE HOW LONG ITS GONNA TAKE
fev part was all of them but when hagger pop what wtf lol yes he was the fkin mayer hahaha
You say Ryu lifts really big boulders?
Hulk lifts really big mountains. *points at Secret Wars*
Most of the Street Fighters are probably around the level of Marvels Iron Fist. Meaning that through technique and skill they can take out quite a a few of Marvels non cosmically powered uberheroes/villains.
But they aint close to being as physically strong as the Hulk or even Spiderman.
But it all comes down to who writes the story, sometimes wolverine gets outpunched by martial artists.. sometimes he gets hit headon by a frigging Train and shrugs it off. Sometimes Spidey can dance around laserbeams from everywhere when using his spidersense, sometimes he gets hit by punches from a normal human.. its so damn random.
Same goes for Capcom when comparing gameplay to cinematics. And in come cases game to game.
In the end it doesnt really matter since it's just the real nerds who are bothered by stuff like this.. yes me included
what these guys dont realize is that the marvel characters share the same universe. Capcom has all these different characters pased in their own little worlds that really never co-exist. so there abilities differ in each game.
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