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I just got this game on disc for PS3 and it gets stuck loading on the VS screen.
And according to the transcript, it isn't his most damaging combo!
Chun has a big combo but is far from broken cause its bloody hard and it gets scaled allot this looks like touch of death
So basically, by the time Yun has Super and Ultra in a match - you're already a dead man walking? Greaaaaaaaaaaat. :(
@Strider_RagnaroK
I had this same problem at my friends house. I deleted everything on the system that was street fighter related and it worked from then on.
@12: And all it takes is one person Aluppoj sorta recognizes from the other videos showing that Yun is absurd to make him try to kill the messenger...again.
YUN is f'n broken man. I'm gonna send another twitter to ONO-San about balancing:P
Ok, ok... That combo is a bit much lol. And, yes, Ive only lost to Yun twice in Ranked matches. And zero against Yang. But I'm probably not EVO ready lol. Thnx though.
For the record. I don't care if they nerf Yun/Yang, I don't use them. In fact, better for me if they do! But I'm not self serving like that, so whatever.
A Re-Balance just means more SF for me! So do as you will guys. I just don't have a prob with them. Then again, I main Chun Li, so maybe I have a Good Match Up.
The Goddam Master returns also! You two have got to get on eachothers friend list! You guys can complain eachothers ears off!
Sorry, I stand firm, Twins are strong.... Not Broken. Other characters can perform similar damage combos with Full Ultra and Super gauge.
@19: You mean Makoto and Yang, right? Cause those are the only two that come even close, from what I recall...
To be fair, Yun's ground game is so freaking ridiculous that you have no choice but to jump sometimes.
(Focus is broken hella easily with his tools, he has a useful command grab, he has low divekicks to blow up crouch teching, he's safe on practically everything - with high rewards if he lands a hit)
re-got-damned-diculous...
seriously. every other day i visit this site and see more outlandish damage and combos from most likely Yun. of course some people say he's Overpowered, and of course people come to the rescue to defend him, saying he's not. at the end of the day, it's kinda both IMO. i've seen he has a bunch of moves that are way to safe, given the animation, the damage potential, the link potential, the juggling potential, their speed, and their frame traps lol... esp while having such great speed and relative ease in combo-ing. still it requires some level of skill though.
more importantly... when i see this... i'm immediately reminded just how much i have to bust my butt to play a half decent fight with Vega, and i SMGDH.at this point, after seeing this... i'm 1000% convinced that Capcom hates Vega, and that all the things he lacks (most of which just plain make no sense) are not because giving him those options would make him broken... nope, that BS. it's because they hate him and don't give a damn about him or his users/fans/etc.
Kinda a repost, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW3e0s...
Twin's palms. Enough said.
IMO, I don't mind top tier characters AE (I don't play the twins or fei). If capcom wants to promote aggressiveness and rush down characters then that usually makes the game more interesting. However I feel the top 3 are a little too powerful. I'd prefer only small nerfs, even if they remained top tier.
Btw why are people arguing so much? just a game... nothing wrong with opinions put why the insults? :D
First things first, props to Desk for finding even more ridiculous Yun combos.
But like moths to a flame, all the crybabies come in with tears already streaming.
Give me a legit reason why you would be neutral jumping in the corner against Yun, then you can claim he's broken because of this. But you can't, because there's no reason to do so.
Until then, stay classy, whiners. Not like any of you will ever encounter anyone doing this to you online. And none of you go to tournaments to neutral jump in the corner either.
I played a very good Yun with my dudley last night and to be honest, I wasn't frustrated. It was more challenging than anything else. Granted we only played two matches (we won one match each), it was fun to say the least. He knew the whole gen-ji combo. He knew the gen-ji into ultra 1 link for more damage. He spammed the st. mp, hp, palm (like all the yuns out there) combo.
Maybe you guys arguing about the situational value of these combos and their final damage numbers should instead be realising how freaking quickly/easily the damage is racked up.
@35
You might also need to make it clear that counterhits are more damage. I think that will ease some people for this extremely situational combo.
cool......so as people discover higher damage and easier to execute combos we will see even more people move to yun...Good job capcom cuz everyone loves to play a fighting game where you get crushed if you dont pick top tier. Super Street Fighter 4: Yun Edition, make believe balance
@35, 37: The second combo is non-counterhit and does only 1 point less damage.
two palms and seth is down to half his health
holy crap
i forgot this wasnt youtube
accidentally put the s word
@35
Right! Given the proper situation many characters can perform these types of combos!
My god, have you ever seen the damage Gouken (mid tier right?) can do to a low health character like Seth on Four hits!
This is strong, but it takes a Proper Situation to even be possible! I.E Full Super, Full Ultra, Corner, Reversal...
Desk can also perform Full Kill combos with Spider Man, is he broken like Phoenix?
Chillax guys.
@41: Several CAPCOM employees have said that AE is intentionally unbalanced, but who cares what they say, amirite?
@29 thank you i couldn't have said that better myself why would you be neutral jumping in the corner. i don't go to tournaments and i don't consider myself a good/great player but i know better then to take a meaty palm the video is for lols people that show how much of a bad player you are for overreacting to this get a life or quit it.
@41 Gouken is capable of ~700 damage combos, not ~800. It becomes exponentially harder to raise the damage of combos as they get bigger, so the difference between a 700 damage and 800 damage combo is massive, let alone the fact that 800 damage kills one of the cast members outright. Gouken was incapable of doing this even when Seth had 750 health.
In fact, I'd challenge anyone to do this kind of damage with any other character. I'd be very surprised of anyone else could 100% Seth without breaking the rules with infinite meter in training mode.
@44
Haha thanks. Catalyst should try posting it @.@
Should generate some laughs over all the tears this video is creating xD
@45
Ok? So maybe only Yun can do it. Maybe Yun is the BEST character in the game? Probably is... But so what? Some character is going to be the best.
Remove them and some other character becomes the target. It's happened three times already.
Cry Cry Cry, Piss Piss Piss, Moan Moan Moan.
This is the game we got fellas. Play it or don't, it has pro's and cons. No different than Vanilla or Super.
Or should I list the Tyrants from those games again?
@48: Okay, so what you're saying is that it's better that Yun be the best character in the game (allegedly) than someone else? If that's the case, why?
@45 if the random situation where seth raped you the entire round and suddenly turn into a bad player then sure that can happen ;)
I don't know, there were some very good Yun players at the Shadowloo 2k11 tourmanent, but in the end looked who prevailed, Seth. Other than Poongko has there been any other Seth players that ranked #1 at a fighting game tournament?
Momochi or Kindevu's Yun may not quite be on par with Daigo's Yun but are still very formidable nonetheless. Poongko was just the better player this past weekend and had many answers for the twins with one of the weaker, possibly more underrated/underutilized characters in the game. It also could very well be that the people playing against Seth just didn't completely know the proper matchup too well because there aren't a whole lot of good Seth players on the level of Poongko evidently. Online Tony is the only guy I can think of.
newsflash to the "yun is not broken" people... people aren't coming here and saying this video PROVES he's broken, or saying he's broken simply because of this video. they're saying this video provides more EVIDENCE of him being broken.
im not interested on claiming onne thing over the other btw.
and lastly... it probably doesn't require neutral jump... a back jump will surely result in the same end, no? i've seen PLENTY of people back jump while in a corner. i've done it myself to.
This video is great. Winning EVO is going to be so easy now. Can't wait to pull this off on every single person i face.
Look at all these scrubs playing other characters. All you need is yun, soooo easy.
I think they should make the characters that take absolute no skill - aka guile - the most powerful again. That was so cool. You could win without even knowing how to do a combo.
Shadow you must be an awesome Yun player. If Yun is broken, i bet you never lose.
@52
Lol @ "more broken", further evidence that you people have no clue what "broken" even means.
Broken is 3s Gill, Broken is Phoenix.
If seeing a Desk combo video proves more to you guys than the results from the last FIVE major tournaments than I'm afraid there is no hope for you.
@49
Because in a game where every character has a different skill set, different properties, someone is always going to be the best, or the easiest, or the weakest....
It's been the same in EVERY version of SF for 25 years! Going around in circles with eachother isn't going to change that.
@#54
I'm sorry, but you seem to be under the illusion that combos are the only thing that require skill. (Hell, I'd say that aspect actually requires the least - since it's just glorified muscle memory most of the time)
@48 Yun being the best character in the game is a problem mainly because it's not really a debatable fact. If the cast were more balanced, it would be easy to discuss several characters as potentially being "the best" in the game. The margin by which Yun outclasses the rest of the cast is significant enough that there is no debate, just arguments over whether this fact is "okay" or not.
I'd rather see SF4 be a game where many of the characters are discussed as being "OP" which, when dealing with a large amount of characters, really just means every character has certain unique strengths that people find very effective. If a one or two characters are singled out by the playerbase at large (and even by the developers themselves) as "OP," then it's likely true, and should probably be changed for the sake of character balance.
Desk's videos like this always have a point. That is to make it known to Capcom about certain glitches and things that need to be fixed in the game. This clearly shows that Yun needs to be balanced, which is a known fact to anyone who plays Street Fighter AE.
Who thinks Yun is the best because of this should really put more time into the character.
And no, it's not more evidence of him being broken, that crap won't happen in game.
@ #52
Everyone backs jump in corner. But palm is slow to come out, it has got to be a great read. And if they can read you brainlessly jumping back, you deserve some hurt.
Shadow050: I didn't think it was possible! You might actually be more of a retard than THEGODAMNMASTER!
Challenge to either Shadow or the THE G MASTER: if Yun is so broken and powerful, post a video of you guys going on a 30 game win streak against any skill level using Yun. I believe many players can do this, but you guys are NOT ONE OF THEM!
It is so obvious that you both suck and it has nothing to do with tier. I am sure that neither of you can do this.
@62: I didn't think it was possible! You're a bigger troll than the other two Yun fanboys on EventHubs!
Seriously, you're not even trying any more, are you?
The only thing this indicates is one thing we already knew about Yun: his palm damage is too good. Oh and the whole 'link into and out of ultra' business... the link in the vide isn't that significant though.
Remember they dropped Cammy's cannonspike from 150 to 100 when going from vanilla to super, and the blog said it was 'too damaging'? Yun's palm exceeds that damage and is safer. I know it's a bit of apples and oranges, but something to think about.
Yun isn't 'broken' compared to past fighting games because the brokenness of past characters (particularly pre-internet days) was oftentimes an accident, or balance wasn't considered as much a value or was poorly understood, and the technology of fighting games hadn't been pushed to the limits back then to find out where the exploits could occur.
There is absolutely no question that Yun was deliberately made to be the best, even if Ono had never admitted it. Compared to the rest of the cast, Yun has no akilles' heel except low health.
The reason he doesn't dominate like an 'old school' broken character is simply that they understood what they were doing when they intentionally made him the best, so that they could keep him in check. You can find dominant characters in the 4 series but nothing 'stupid'. They know how to stop at borderline-stupid.
THE G MASTER is still the biggest retard! Congratulations!
I guess you won't be posting that video, because you can't. If Yun is so good as you say, post a movie of you actually winning with him. The fact is you can't because the reason you lose has nothing to do with a tier list. It has everything to do with the fact that you are too dumb to play thing game.
So Caruga, you think Yun has a matchup advantage over Zangief, THawk, Balrog, etc...
You're an idiot too.
There is a question about Yun being deliberately made the best because no one has ever said that! He isn't winning all the tournaments.
When Daigo won EVO, i still remember all you idiots saying the ryu was still too powerful. GTFO.
How the hell would someone like you, a person who doesn't even own super, know anything about matchups? Please...
@Kalashnikov #9 - "I had this same problem at my friends house. I deleted everything on the system that was street fighter related and it worked from then on."-
Thank you! it actually worked. I didn't have to delete everything SF related, just the SSFIV Game Utility Data, with it I lost the alt costumes but I re-downloaded them again and now I can play. It seems that the game still was recognizing the Game Data from SSFIV, which was version 1.2 instead of the AE update version 1.5, even after installation.
But be more careful with your wording if someone by chance deletes the Save Data, they might be erasing the data from the trails, arcade scores, options configurations ect... also there is no need to erase SFIV Game Data, because of you do so you'll be loosing the 1st alt costume pack.
ado,
Daigo also won tons of tournaments using Ryu - a mid tier character. Take daigo out and how many top 3 finishes do you have with Yun? 1, maybe 2? How many wins? NONE!
If you let people use ST Akuma in tournaments, every single person in the tournament will use him because he is really broken!
People are using other characters against Yun because they know that Yun is beatable. Do you really think you lose because of Yun or because you suck?
BTW, Why arent you retards complaining about 3rd strike?
Erm, hello? Arcade BP rankings?
It's stupid to only talk about tournaments since AE got released for DLC. There have probably been plenty of AE tournaments in Japan that nobody over here knows about...
Give it a couple more months and we'll probably see Yuns all over the place.
Yang = Powerful
Yun = Waaaaay too powerful
Vega = Why are you guys crying? Gen has it way worse than you.
My reaction to Yun users is to just be as cheesy and dirty as possible.
Soon as they eat the 7th/8th snipe. they freak out or freeze and try to grab me....
BUT MY SIM DONT LIKE BEIN TOUCHED!!!!
So I burn em over an over.
I guess they THOUGHT they had an easy victory.
I also do this to ERyu players who act the same way.
They'd get in a good gombo, stop, backdash 3times to TAUNT....
BUT MY SIM DONT LIKE IMMATURITY EITHER.
So I teleport snipe, slide, teleport away. And watch them crouch back, throw out like 9 whiffing jabs, then they hurricane to get close. But I teleport away and count the jabs again. then I smash and smash. Till the ko.
The moral to my ramblings is, yes they are strong, they were made that way intentionally. And the folks who use them?
THEY KNOW THIS. And they'll act like they dont.
They want sure wins. But, if you GOOD and confident with your main, and have been piling up bodies the whole time, well, just add twins to the menu, and season it with some Evil salt too.
Just be as vicious and dont respect em too much.
I use Sim, Hakan, Rog, DJay Guile and once upon a time I used Rose..... And it feels great to smash these NEW fanboys with real earned skill.
i suggest if u have been thinking of buying the ae on disk dont unless ur like me and want it the download does the same thing only change is case,book,cd, and the title and announcer says ssf4ae nothing different beyond that even the achievments are the same read the same only thing is that i can install game but says ssf4 not ssf4ae
Haha I like how when THE_GODDAMN_MASTER gets mentally checkmated he stops posting or he just calls people trolls without providing anything to his argument. I also hope they beat Cammy with the nerf stick in the next balance change since he loves to complain about how bad she is.
So hows them tourney results lately? Or lets take a look at you guy getting a large win streak against good players since Yun is brainless.
I bet ANY amount to money that even if people went back to Super or if they re-balanced the game again people will STILL be calling someone broken. Lets add more to the list guys!
Complaints of we've heard so far in SF4: Vanilla Ryu, Vanilla Sagat, Vanilla arcade mode boss Seth (wtf?), Vanilla Rufus, Super Ryu, Super Bison, Super Guile, Super Honda, Super Cammy, Super Rose's Ultra, AE Yun, AE Yang.
I forgot to mention Super Abel in my #80 post also lol
I'm not saying Yun is OP, or anything like that.
But unless you're playing at tournament level, you shouldn't really be saying that Yun isn't one hell of a decent character to use. The only reason I can see as to why Yun hasn't been winning major tournaments is the same reason you didn't see vanilla Sagat win that many tournaments.
Everyone sees him as one of the most powerful characters, so a lot of people devote time to countering him, much like with Sagat in vanilla.
LOL
@ 61... that may be the case, in getting hit, but no. you're wrong. almost no one deserves THIS kind of punishment. you guys are being silly, and acting like this damage isn't ridiculous. it doesn't even have to be the fully 800+ or whatever, and that's what you all fail to understand about people calling him broken... which once again, i am NOT DOING.
@ NERFGUILE you must be an idiot. first off, i'm not a Yun user. learn to read. second, a 30 game win streak isn't something easy to do, unless you get lucky and happen to play a bunch of scrubs, or you yourself are just that damned good, which is also rare. if for no other reason, people screw up due to not being a damn robot. second of all, i didn't call him broken. at the very most i said he was both broken, and not broken... so use your brain and figure out what that might mean.
you guys are stupidly using logical fallacies to say "yun is not broken." while i'll agree he isn't necessarily "broken" in the way some people make him seem, he certainly doesn't have to win all the tourneys to be broken. USERS are USUALLY the most important element in a fighting game, but the closer the skill of the users, the more the characters being used begin to come. yun is still relatively new to ssf4... most people will still be more skilled with other characters - this should be obvious.
@ 75 idk if gen is actually worse than vega, but i know he has a ton of better options than vega does, and can easily be more in control of most matches. vega is forced to rely on reading the opponent like crazy and ALWAYS adjusting, almost never forcing the opponent to adjust much at all. then they nerf him further. there's a long list of shyt thhat makes no sense about him. i've recently posted most of these items/issues regarding him, on another site.
I rescind my other comment. Shadow050, you are truly the biggest idiot here. Lets see...
To quote you: Shadow050 said:
"at the very most i said he was both broken, and not broken... so use your brain and figure out what that might mean"
Yup, you're a regular genius; that's what it means. Thanks for taking this terrible comments section to an all time low.
If Yun is so easy to use and win with, you should be able to pick him up very quickly and get a 30 game win streak against scrubs. Unless of course, you are one of those scrubs.
@Paine That's what I want to know. I remember when they asked Daigo, Mago, and Tokido to make a ranking and they all put Fei as S by himself. I think it's more of a popularity thing like when people were complaining about Ryu and Ken. Now it's the twins. I guess the more you have to play against a character the more you hate them. lol
My thoughts about Fei as a top tier:
I believe the main reason why Fei is rated as top tier is because of Mago (especially with regards to the opinions of top Japanese players). He was tearing everyone a new one - whilst giving Daigo a bunch of trouble.
I mean, don't get me wrong - Fei is pretty godlike as he has a lot of options and solutions. However, he's the kinda character the mirrors the ability of the player.
A lesser player with Fei is doomed to struggle and a good player is bound to be scary as hell. Which isn't exactly true for Yun (for example), even lesser players can be scary - mostly due to safe and abusable moves/strategies.
Is this supposed to be breaking news? I'm sure Gen can do just as much damage with a corner combo by comboing in his super and his ultra. The only difference there is he's not high tier, he's not widely hated, and he probably doesn't need a gimmicky neutral jump or meaty palm setup to do it.
@SAMURAI
You can't say something is difficult based on YOUR inability to do it. FADC Chicken Wing to Ultra is something even basic Fei players can do. I main Vega and even I can do that. Does that mean I'm good with Fei? Does that mean my execution is amazing since I can do it? No lol
@SAMURAI
You can't say something is difficult based on YOUR inability to do it. FADC Chicken Wing to Ultra is something even basic Fei players can do. I main Vega and even I can do that. Does that mean I'm good with Fei? Does that mean my execution is amazing since I can do it? No lol
FK FADC Chicken Wing Ultra is difficult? Hah. Never practice any of Feis combos, just went into training mode, got it second time and I didn't drop it the next 10 times.
I'm sorry, linking into Vipers SJC ultra is difficult, and even then my execution isn't the best and there are players out there who can do that stuff super easy. A single FADC is not a hard combo by any means, it's the same as a SRK FADC ultra and even the online Ryus can do that easy enough.
You don't need much more skill to be good with Fei than you do with Yun. Super solid footsies, good pressure game, awesome OS game, safe rekkas, easy hit comfirms into real nice damage, ambiguous crossups, an overhead, link into sweep. Fei's only downside is that his ultras are pretty poor.
Even then, how often do you see FK FADC Chicken Wing ultra used in a match? A single, rarely used combo, is not what decides how good a character is.
Yun is way too strong.
Tone down his overall damage, tone down his ultra damage, make ex palm unsafe on block and tone down meter gaining from palm and he is ok.
For Yang tone down his meter gaining rom palm and that is enough.
For Fei revert him back to ssfiv incarnation and that is enough.
That would be enough for a balanced game without needing to make another big patch with thousands changes that will change the complete game. I dont want my character CHANGED again.
@ FlawlessMatador
Once again you're missing the point here. It's NOT about what I can or cannot do, besides that, I can do it. The point is that Fei is NO easy mode character. I'm just saying to fadc chickenwing ultra is way more difficult than for example fadc into ultra with Ryu. It takes skill and good execution to be dangerous with Fei.
@SAMURAI
Yes I know this lol but the whole reason I posted that was because you said "No, that is NOT easy." which many people disagree with.
Is it more difficult than Shoryuken FADC Ultra? Sure. Are either of those difficult on a basic level? Not a chance.
I agree Fei takes more skill to use than Ryu, but as to what specifically takes more skill about Fei is a different thing entirely.
Phoenix is not broken. X-Factor lvl 3 Phoenix is broken. There is a difference. Wolverine is worse than phoenix. He is dangerous with no X-factor and a lvl 1 = touch of death. Most Dark Phoenix players have to act fast without x factor because they are losing health. So, Phoenix is not as broken as people think. Only x factor lvl 3.
Yun is not "broken" per say. He just changes the game up so much. Now, I'm not a 3s player, but it seems like they are making AE to have 3s moves and combos and by doing that, it is breaking SF4. If they made yun play like a SSF4 character...he wouldn't be as bad. With Juri, Abel, etc... They based them around the SF4 engine so they fit the game. Yun and Yang came from 3s and since they made makoto so bad in SSF4, they may have thought "hmmm can't make the same mistake with yun and yang"
Well, anyway capcom is a company....they are taking our money. Release new characters in an Arcade...how do you make money? Make the new characters really good..or delay their release to keep interest level high.
It's funny all of our money is going to Japanese company or players (lol).
Erm, Fei already had a link into sweep in Super - close st MP (1 frame link).
St LP means he can do it from further away.
Fei lost invincibility on HK chicken wing to potentially escape pressure for "free".
Fei's hit confirms on a crouching opponent suck (st lp whiffs low, although that might just be close st lp, can't remember). Cr LP/LK into cr LP/LK (for special cancels) is a 1-frame link.
EX Rekkas are a way for players to turn their brain off briefly by burning their meter if they're not confident with their rekka spacing.
2nd LP rekka is still -6 (I think?) on block - so Feis should not be getting away with doing that against you.
Quite honestly, Fei didn't just magically become godlike in AE, other characters got worse and players like Mago opened players' eyes up to his potential in the right hands.
Is this SAMURAI guy serious?
Fei Long's FlameKick-->FADC-->ChickenWing is hard? WTF?!?! No wonder he's calling for Ono to bring SSF4 version of Guile back since his executional skills are horrible and he can't really use any characters that require some basic executional skills.
Fei Long's FlameKick-->FADC-->ChickenWing is not hard at all. I remember that I was able to get that combo down within the first 10 minutes of training with Vanilla-FeiLong in the Training Mode lab.
The first time I got knowledge that Fei Long was able to do the FlameKick and FADC to the ChickenWing was when I saw this video made by iplaywinner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_d2QF...
I saw the video, and then I went into training mode myself and was able to get the move down in about 10 minutes. Saying that FlameKick-->FADC-->ChickenWing is hard at this point in time, when SF4 Fei Long has been a playable character for most than 2 years is just plain pathetic. FADC-->ChickenWing should be a combo that even scrubs like DSP can perform on a regular basis.
Now something that is a hard Fei Long combo is the ChickenWing-->StandingFierce-->Rekkas, or ChickenWing-->StandingFierce-->FlameKick. His character specific StandingStrong-->ChickenWing is also tough to pull off.
@ fireinthehole
ChickenWing-->StandingFierce-->Rekkas and ChickenWing-->StandingFierce-->FlameKick are hard? Are you serious? I can do that and I ain't a Fei player.
And I never said that FlameKick-->FADC-->ChickenWing is hard. I said it is NOT easy, especially when you compare it to other character's fadc into ultra combos.
I'm not discussing about getting hit by that means you dumb and stuff. But if the Yun player gets full Super and Ultra meters and you have full health, he's a scrub since Yun can get damage so easily, and if even so you get in the corner and get hit by it, you're even worse.
Not saying he's not broken, but this video is no evidence of anything, it's not his damage that should be nerfed, but his frame advantage, specially on block.
SAMURAI I see you are one of the members of the Genius club. Along with THE_G_Master and Shadow.
Great comments. So let me get this straight: It's NOT easy, it IS difficult, but it's NOT hard. OK... Keep up the good work!
It's great to see that the biggest Yun haters also happen to be terrible at this game.
Chickenwing, st.HP is one of the tougher links in the game. You sure you're not getting confused again with your genius intelligence?
I dunno wtf is going on, but chicken wing into st hp is pretty hard. 1 frame link in the middle of a big delay (harder rhythm to work with than most 1-framers) is kinda...yeaaaaah.
@ NerfGuile
I just went into training mode with Fei. Could do that one frame link 3 times out of 10.
And yes, I said the fadc chickenwing is difficult. It's pretty obvious what I meant to say. It's more difficult than fadc into ultra with most other character. You make it sound like I said that it's the hardest move in the game.
But tell us why you are bashing the "Yun is OP" people in every topic while you where crying for Guile nerfs in Super?
oh man I lol'd so hard at "It's NOT easy, it IS difficult, but it's NOT hard. OK... Keep up the good work!"
@45: Uhm yeah... Gouken, Balrog, Chun, Abel, maybe Makoto. Also El Fuerte, Sakura and Sagat in Super/Vanilla, and I guess Fei Long in pre-patch Vanilla/Super (And maybe again in AE?).
You have a lot to learn about Gouken. He could KO Seth even in Vanilla SFIV. In Super, he can KO C.Viper. Both of those are very unrealistic in a real match, but that's irrelevant.
I don't see the big problem. Yeah I believe Yun is OP (not broken), and this doesn't really prove anything. Its not hard to do, but its not really viable either since a good Yun player isn't going to sit there and build meter on the off chance that they're going to get a meaty palm thrust.
When Yun can start one shotting Sagat, then I will yell and scream broken. But right now, he is just a character thats OP in the right hands.
@ 87 NERFGUILE...
it's official. you're the dumbest guy on this site. common sense should tell anyone with a High School level intelligence or beyond, that my comment ultimately boils down to him not being broken. in short, it boils down to him being VERY strong and nigh "unbeatable" in the right hands. but allow me to hold your hand through this comment as well, so that you can understand, or rather be told, that when i say "unbeatable" i'm exaggerating and i do not LITERALLY mean that he's impossible to defeat.
Indeed, Yun is not that hard to pick up. but he still won't be the ideal character to use for EVERY SINGLE PERSON, and there will be people who use other characters better. and there wiill still be times when better players lose to a player who isn't as good as them. it's happen to LITERALLY, EVERYONE. stop being such a dumbass troll. Daigo, who's praised as the best SF player, like ever.... has lost to people. he doesn't have a lossless record. so the fact that Yun doesn't win every tourney doesn't mean anything.
only an idiot would think "this game is perfectly balanced and tiers are completely merit-less" due to the person being called top teir, not always winning tourneys or w/e.
Sagat hs all but been officially called the strongest character in SF4, and was also called "broken"... yet i've stomped plenty of sagats and i'm not the best player in the world at all. i'm sure daigo regularly stomped them as well. that doesn't detract from sagat being the best int he game though, nor from him being "broken" either. same deal applies with Yun.
but again, at the end of the day, i don't outright call any character "broken" in the sense that no one can defeat the character, or to say that if players of equal skill face off, the one using Yun or the character said to be broken will always win. only idiots would say that. if ii believed that, i wouldn't even play because i know Vega is on the lower end of the totem pole, yet that's my main.
i probably shouldn't have even wasted this time though, because i doubt a person with the level of intelligence you've displayed could even read all of this. hell, you couldn't read and comprehend my shorter posts either.
@127
"in short, it boils down to him being VERY strong and nigh "unbeatable" in the right hands."
---Hmm...I'm not sure tourney results agree with that.
"Sagat hs all but been officially called the strongest character in SF4, and was also called "broken"
---Here we have history repeating itself since it was not pros who called Sagat broken, it was the same type of people who call Yun broken.
"but again, at the end of the day, i don't outright call any character "broken"
---So what's the problem? If Yun isn't on top it will just be another char. You main Vega so you should remember fighting Super Bison or Super Cammy.
@128
"'in short, it boils down to him being VERY strong and nigh 'unbeatable' in the right hands.'
---Hmm...I'm not sure tourney results agree with that."
^This
Seth looks nigh unbeatable in Poogko's hands. So we should nerf Seth? Akuma looks nigh unbeatable when Tokido plays him. Mago makes Fei look invincible. What does any of that mean?
It means the player makes the character.
@128
i don't really follow the tourneys enough to comment on that. my point is that the guy has some crazy tools to work with, and he's very strong, and that's not debatable.
of course the pros aren't going to highlight the guy as broken. why would they? at their levels, the #1 thing is going to the users and how well they can play their opponent. the character will barely even matter. you gotta remember, if anything, the pros are OUTLIERS.
of course i remember how it was dealing with those people while using vega. having to damn near struggle against even the scrub users. it was ridiculous. but hell, maybe that's why i'm not so quick to call other characters "broken' because i use such an underpowered character it's hard for me to tell the big differences lol. (joking)
regardless, there are clearly overpowered or ridiculous moves in a game... in this game. as well as characters. people have the silliest reasons for trying to deny this. my reason for the above post is because i have an idiot acting like i'm claiming things that i'm not, because he's such a tard about Yun not being broken.
at the end of the day, every character has the pros and cons. some characters have much more pros and cons. and some characters have an arguable advantage against other chracters. Yun is a character who will have advantages against the vasts majority of the cast, and it's not that hard to pick him up and apply his advantages. of course, more often than not, the person using him wil be scrub because all the scrubs will flock to the "strongest" characters who are the easiest to use... but in most cases the character won't be able to make up for their scrubby-ness.
all and all... DECENT/SKILLED Yuns will be teaching most people what it's like to use vega lol. as they learn just how much they have to out -think, -anticipate, -execute their opponent to stand a chance of winning.
when a character creates as much.. ruckus... as Yun is doing right now. players all start working on how to deal with the character(s), and information gets spread around, and the characters terror decreases... but this doesn't change how big of a problem the character is, now does it?
@ 129
yeah, players make the match... but you must acknowledge that the characters play a huge part in that. there are plenty of characters we see people scrub out wins with... why? how? we see true scrubs beat players with actual skill... why? sure, part of that is probably just that the skill players(s) had a rough outing... but the other side of that is the character they were fighting probably has natural advantages over the other character.
people only trying to look at the pros have it twisted. the pros can use the characters at their full potential to begin with, and then it comes down to who has a better day, and who out thought the other. it becomes a chess match. this is only because their THAT skilled, and the respects they have for each other skill (which is why some things aren't even attempted). these "pros" make for like 1% of the population.
it's goes against logic to take the very best, and try to act as they are the norm. the "best" are "outliers" in statistics like 99% of the time.
Yun's options are amazing, that's why the pros love him. A player like Justin or Daigo could pull this off in a match.
I bet the people whining here haven't spent five minutes in the training room learning how to deal with Yun yet. That's exactly why their words are void.
@45
You should try looking over youtube before you speak.
Below shows Blarog can kko seth in one combo if you do the final-tap, charge the turnpunch for 60 seconds, and then do the super afterwards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gik93Q...
Note: Nothing is happening during the first minute of the above video because the guy is actually doing the whole one minute charge while he was record the video.
Here are some videos showing Gouken KO Seth in one combo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCz4d1...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsKcZ8...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vecekp...
Chun Li could do it too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGZ_7I...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI47No...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SWMRZ...
Here's a video of ssf4-gen does a 776 combo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJdxqC...
Note: Some of the videos show repeat of the same combos but with different backgrounds and costumes, and some of the Seth-KO combos have a stun in the middle, but I don't think that having a stun in the middle of the combo should invalidate those in any way.
@ 41 a fully charged denjin and a full super does 750 to seth oks him in super. and its not hard to get seth dizzy to charge a denjin. i have only landed a full denjin once on a dizzy balrog then followed up with a ex tasu and it did him in. But the yun thing seems like alot easier way to set the combo up. face it you guys we wont get the odd ball players to be any good till a pro likes them. then maybe capcom will hear us. Two things needs fixed i think but he is much better now than before. After the ex palm the dash tasu without the fadc just seems dumb that you cant fadc the first hit of the tasu into ultra 1 but you can land ultra 2 this way. I could care less if you didnt get the full 3 hits just the juggle would be better than nothing. And what the HELL after seeing this and he gets docked 100 damage for a damn back throw?????? the damage with a full meter in super back throw 503 now thats alot for one move but he is almost knocked out when the meter is full.but its alot less when the meter is not full. but now to charge him 100 damage just for the throw is B S and he event went down is the so called tiers listings.
@#136 and #137
Sadly enough most of them examples are with sf4 before the damage changes that came with ssf4. Also one of them chun li ones that did the massive damage was against Vega without a mask. Picture doing the same combo on demasked vega with that Yun combo would probably hit 900+range. Would need more current vids for an accurate comparison as them characters wont do the same damage with the same combos now.
And another note is the situation at hand, from current tournament showings there are plenty of times where yun have full ultra and super while having the capability of having the opponent cornered. And given how good his palm is for being used as a meaty, the combo used against gief looks very plausible to be used in a real match. Also people are getting into the habit of neutral jumping while cornered to avoid dive kicks, command grabs or lunge punches.
So setting these up wouldnt be outlandish as some of the other vids posted(Gouken getting fully charged fireballs off point blank, balrog getting away with holding 3 buttons down without being able to tech throws and sacrificing either his sweep or anti air options)
So in all true others can almost do the same amount with meter, but Yun is about the only one capable of stocking the meter and keeping it while still being a effective fighter...while the others need the meter to even create situations and not able to gain it back as fast.
Dont get me wrong, as i havent said he was OP or broken. But these look pretty practical to most of the high damage combos vids out there, while not being risky or huge gamble to try and fish out if you happened to have anyone cornered given the general safeness of the palms. with plenty of time to tell if they hit or not before continuing to do anything else so to not waste any resources.
My stance with yun is that hes a very good fleshed out character, Not OP/broken status yet in my eyes. As one of the the things i hate most playing in this game is a good turtle chun li player >:( since day 1.
@136: Really wouldn't count that Gen combo, as it doesn't kill Seth. I guess it might be possible to OHKO Seth with him in Super though.
@141: In Super, Gouken could kill Seth with Full U2 and no super meter, from a blocked Seth U2, which was actually quite plausible if the Seth tried to chip out Gouken but failed. Maybe he can do the same now as well, haven't tried it out yet.
@#142
well my focus wasnt on if it could kill seth or not during the combo, just the raw number output people can do. Do you mean no super meter at all? or just not using the whole super bar for gouken kill with U2?
And given the example, it still an outlandish way of trying to set up the kill. Not saying impossible just only seems plausible against only seth. while all the yun stuff could be applied off situations that already happen currently and against most of the cast. If someone is caught hitting buttons on wake up and gets hit by a meaty palm(from guessing between a fake palm or real one), people neutral jumping to avoid meaty command grabs or cross over dive kicks but instead eat the palm while airborne.
Those situations present themselves fairly often in times of guessing, unlike hoping that seths ultra doesnt chip out to get a fully charge U2 from gouken.
Although i wonder with that U2 example you gave for super, did it rely on seth low stun? Anywho in a real match if seth even has ultra to try to chip out in the first place and fails, he would die by a standard gouken combo cause of his low health so the example holds less grounds in actual application >_<
@#144
If you guess right, thats how it should be lol his low health should work against him. But sadly not everyone have a reversal option like that ...then is able to go into a full blown combo. I was mentioning how situations to setting for beefy damage with Yun wouldnt be a rare occurrence compared to the previous examples/posts of people with high damage.
Not like i was calling him OP/broken or rallying for nerfs as many other posters are aiming at.
The faster matches go the happier i am >_>, Plus if i catch a sucker yun trying to pull that against my mains(Gief/hawk/hakan) he will die. If he has full ultra to even do damage like that and attempts to go all out i would not hesitate to do a wake up ultra the moment i see a palm animation. Or i would mash exGH/ex condor spire/ex oilslide as they all have projectile invincibility(which would go thru all his palms). Im prepared for this nonsense im not complaining about yuns damage seeing how if i have full super/ultra it would basically kill him outright if i land it LOL.
@140 since you posted your comment i booted up the game just to be sure. You cant land the ultra 1 after a ex palm i just went and tried it and it whiffs every time. jump hard punch stand/med punch ex palm dash tasu fadc ultra 1 cant be landed try it in the corner if you like. if you use the ex palm you cant tasu fadc ultra 1
@143: Yes, no super meter. Mid-screen. The fact that he probably doesn't have full HP while doing the ultra makes it even more plausible, as you won't need a full ultra yourself. It should also work against other extremely punishable moves, like Gouken's tatsu, Juri's U2, Ken's U1 etc. As long as you're willing to burn EX to stun those that have 1000 or more stun.
Shown here btw. The rest of the video also shows even more damaging combos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZtSg5...
Oh Catalyst, you know what kind of people this post will attract...