Further raising the possibilities or his potential troll status, Ono has responded to more tweets with the intent of maybe updating SSF4: Arcade Edition. Interpret his responses as you will, but it looks like plans are becoming more definite to rebalance AE one last time.
How are negotiations with Capcom bosses about the new AE rebalance? =D — Daeyrat
Ono: Hehehe, I had something doing to our Boss... ;P
Please no more SF4. Next game. Too many versions already. — FACENC
Ono: Hahaha, I think that re-tune version doesn't Ultra, Super.... ;D Like a AE 2012 version.
Please patch the twins, they are too good — Hegzorjsy
Ono: We will be try re-tune like a AE 2K12 version. I under negotiation with Capcom VIPs now.
SFIV:AE needs a balanced roster that allows all characters to be [viable.] — MrCJolley.
Ono: If we take a chance, we will be it. I wish make AE 2012 version. ;D
Tips from Aluppoj, Denitô and Eltwopee.
Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edition Version 2012.
Please add Elena and Rolento. I'd also like to see a fast grappler like R Mika but would prefer a Brazilian who does Judo and is modeled after one of the Gracies.
Too bad the world will have ended before Capcom puts this out. I'm so tired of people crying about how imbalanced AE is.
So many crying babies for Yun/Yang and a Seth got Shadowloo.
SHUT UP AND LEARN HOW TO BLOCK, 09 KIDS!
Just so you know, Cammy is really, really good and nobody has reached her maximum potential or figured out all of her tricks.
I hope they don't rebalance her unless it keeps everything she has in. And that they see whether there are still complaints in a years time (i.e. whether the demand is unchanged or has decreased) before releasing an update.
@#20 I agree, cammy is still pretty sick, as soon as the urge to tkcs starts to fade away,I've been poking a lot more with her since a decent amount of her specials are unsafe.
I just hope that they leave makoto alone, she is amazing now, she was great in super and really fun to use, but now she's epic.
This has made my day. Looking forward to a smart balance patch in 2012. That should give them time to look over the cast and change and buff what needs to be. Lets hope for a more Balanced game full of variety in 2012. For now We have to deal with AE's horrible balance.
As for seth beating Yun. Hes one of the few characters that can do so.
Seth has a reversal. a command grab, HUGE combo potential that leads to stun situations. Suck move lol be can combo from. SUPER MIXUP POTENTIAL! Seth can handle the twins.
Why other characters? AE is too good balanced (for top tiers /trollface.jpg)
@20: No one wants to, because anything Cammy can do, Yun can do better.
I think they made AE so it was easy to pick up the new chars in THE ARCADE, when paying to play.
They didnt make it for a fully balanced edition like they did for Super.
CAPCOM - If you are listening ------------ JUST MAKE AN ANNIVERSARY EDITION. ------------ Where you can pick from AE - SUPER - OR VANILLA Version of ANY CHARACTER. This is put the twins in their place automatically. EASY AND IT WILL WORK and sell golden.
And bring it to PC too. :D
@32: So I guess all those professional players who say that Yun is too good are idiots whining, too.
@33
There is a difference between saying 'Yun is good' and going 'WAAAAH, I CANNOT DEAL WITH HIM ,CHANGE IT'.
The 'pros' essentially learn that you have to deal with whichever strong character no matter the edition. I never saw a single 'pro' demanding rebalance or saying he gives up on the game because of Yun.
@#24
You do realize having a bad match-up against a character does not mean you always lose. And no, Seth was never considered a Yun counter or even match-up.
People should realize when player skill takes goddamn effect.
And Capcom - If you do make another new re-balanced version,
Please still allow for option of choosing to fight with any version of the characters - Like:
Vanilla Sagat Vs. Super Guile.
AE Yun VS. Super Cammy
Vanilla Ryu VS. 2012 Viper
We want this option no matter what!
....and PC as well.
@36: Filipino Champ has said there's no point playing AE. Three guesses why.
But I guess he's not a true pro!
Glad it'll take those turdbags at Capcom an entire year to balance the game. I hope they enjoy watching nothing but twins and Fei Long. From the bottomfeeder pool players all the way to top 8 of every tournament. Grats Killian, grats Ono. Your developer instincts were obviously kicked out from underneath you.
#hail_poongko
@36 lol I never said yun was a counter pick to the twins but he has the tools to not get walked over by them. Just because a seth player has beating several yuns dont mean they are not OP. Yun still destroys most of the cast.
The game NEEDS a rebalance as of right now its terrible and the only reason im playing AE is because I can't get my refund lol. Im stuck playing this Imbalanced piece of crap till 2012 apparently lol. Ill be dam if my money goes to waste lol.
I don't want an entirely new version since Makoto is so good now, but Yun can stand for some tweaks.
Wtf does "Hehehe, I had something doing to our Boss... ;P" Mean? I had something doing to our boss sounds like Magneto... Welcome to Die!
I agree that the twins are not broken. But enough with the "Poongko won SS2K11 with Seth" stuff. I mean it was awesome to watch, but let's not pretend that Poongko didn't also play Yang this weekend. I think there is an argument to be made for NOT patching the twins, but using a high level player who ALSO used one of the twins doesn't help your case.
As far as my own opinions of this issue, I think if they're going to tweak anyone, it should be the characters that have glaring weaknesses. For example, Dhalsim's keep-away is decent, but not good enough to outweigh what happens when he gets rushed down.
This is a very satisfying news item. It's fun to watch the 'Yun is fine' crowd try to avoid embarrassment. They're quieter than usual on Shoryuken, so I imagine that they're trying to come up with new talking points now that Ono just gave them a stern spanking.
Seriously WHY are people asking for re-balancing to AE? Isn't that the reason why you get to choose between AE and normal Super? AE is just that, a more Arcade feel to the game. I think they should leave things as they are now and move on to SF 5 for pits sake
@#50
Then play Super online if you cannot deal with them (mid level online being dictated by match-ups is a hilarious though).
@#55
When people whine, Capcom finds chance to serve another update.
He IS fine(as in, beatable like many other very strong characters).Also, what SRK do you go to where they are quiet?
Are they going to nerf seth now too? He beat all those Yun players. I thought you guys said Seth wasn't a viable character. If Yun is so broken how come he didn't win the shadowloo tournament considering there were so many top Yuns there? Maybe Capcom already patched the game?
Sethkillianfanboy: You said you were following all the Japanese tournaments and there were only Yuns. When i checked that out, there weren't nearly as many as you said. Are you going to secret underground tournies or something?
Do you guys think they need to nerf Honda and Sakura more? They were both really strong too.
@61: Yes, because one person beat the best character in the game with one of the worst, everything CAPCOM and tournament players have said about Yun is automatically invalidated for all time.
(Also, Sakura was never nerfed. Sorry to spoil your strawman argument.)
@62 - the only yun to win in tourney til this day is daigo.and looking at the top 8's of every tourney ae has had to this point how mant twins were in each compared to other chars? the twins are strong yes.but broken? hardly.the nerf stick isn't needed.the most that could change if anything is frames on ex lunge and palm (for both as far as palm goes) that's it.neither twin can be used by scrubs and win.that's how u know a char is truly broken. oh and any1 that thinks super was balanced is a fuking idiot.
Cool. So i guess we should nerf Seth so he won't win anymore. I mean he won against some of the best in the world and there were lots of Yuns there.
Considering no Yun player other than Daigo has won a big tournament, i'm beginning to think we need to nerf more characters.
Sakura, Viper, and Honda come to mind. They seem to be doing really well in tournaments.
What do you guys think about bringing back auto-block? That way you don't have to block crossups. Also, stop with all the special moves. Everyone was so much happier on this forum when characters like guile were top.
BTW, when a Seth player eliminates 6 of the best Yuns in the world, it does invalidate Yun being broken. If Yun was broken, then one of those players would have won the tournament. That is exactly what it means.
But, i'm all for more nerfs. Lets Nerf Yun and Yang and Fei and Honda and Seth and Sakura and Fireballs.
Lets bring back autoblock and extend the reversal window to 20 frames.
Oh and of course bring back roses mash U2.
Nah lets make THE_GODDAMN_MASTER happy and buff Cammy so that all her moves are unblockable and everything combos to ultra. OH and lets add a button when you pick her that makes you win at the select screen if you think the match up is to difficult.
Well, congratz on complaining enough to get a re-balance in 2012. Anyone wanna take bets on who they complain about next? I find it crazy how people were calling even Vega cheap on the stream at Shadaloo Showdown. We should just re-nerf everyone again.
Vega definitely needs additional nerfs. His crossups are way too hard to block. Maybe we could lower his health to 850 like Seth. I mean how could a vega beat gootecks.
Also, i've noticed they still didn't nerf fireballs enough. People still "spam" them and you have to block them or you get hit.
SSF4 2012 will be really funny. Maybe we can even have a easy mode where you only have 3 buttons. Punch, kick, special move.
OH and of course lets have an optional block button.
@71: He's not the only troll here, just the only one who'll admit it.
"BTW, when a Seth player eliminates 6 of the best Yuns in the world, it does invalidate Yun being broken. If Yun was broken, then one of those players would have won the tournament. That is exactly what it means."
No it doesn't. ONE fantastic player does not invalidate the issue. It means he had a great run despite Yun character being fundamentally unbalanced. ONE player. Let's try an analogy. If a single person has a high-paying job, that doesn't mean there can't still be an unemployment epidemic.
Ono's at it again... trolling as usual. But it's still good.
@73: Are you serious?
Lol guises are getting Skillz mixed up with Tiers. Just because a low tier beat a high tier doesn't change the fact if a character is broken or not. I'm not saying that the twins are broken which they could be, but you still have to take into account skill for high tourny play.
@#74
I hope making analogies is not how you make your living.
In a tournament full with killers, the finalist Yun (who even switched characters for BAD match-ups, pay attention to that) was sweeped clean by another very skilled player using a weaker character.
Top 16 has had quite varied character selection.
So, when player skill can clearly overcome it, what is 'unbalanced' or broken?
EVERY Fighter has a few characters on top.
Respect them and play your best.
HOLY POOP, IT WAS ALL A TRICK GUYS. THAT'S WHY THEY SAID EVERYTHING WAS BALANCED AS PLANNED. THEY STACKED THE DECK INTENTIONALLY, KEPT THE GOD TIER YUN, SO THEY COULD SELL THE "AE 2012" DLC TO MILK MORE MONEY OFF THE GAME
VERY SMART CAPCOM, BERRY SMAHT
So we've had ReveLAtions, NCR9, CEO and SS.... And all Yun's get bodied except for Daigo.
This is no surprise to all of the people (including myself) that were crying about the twins (and not fei long? Lol)
But no matter how many majors pass, the excuse makers will come to Eventhubs and say "Uhhh, one tournament win doesn't change anything, urrrrrr, durrrr, duhhhh!"
Phoenix is close to a "Game Breaking" character you morons. Not Yun and Yang!
So a few characters get a bad match up... I didn't see the world crying for Ryu when Sim owns him 7/3 or 8/2! The best Ryu in the God Damn world can barely hold his own against a competent Sim.
My online expierence has been no different. I've played a TON of twins online.. I've lost TWICE to Yun! And ZERO to Yang! I'm beating them all with Chun Li and Ryu! Currently #5 Chun on PSN btw.... In case you guys think I don't play. :P
I'm always happy to get more SF, so more tweaks and hopefully more characters are welcomed, but I can't believe you crying B!tches have gotten them to consider a Re-Balance before the Disk version has even hit the God Damn store!
Pathetic.
Cause scrubs don't want to learn the match up or take risk.
oh no no don't nerf twins! ... if they are nerfed, rufus would be better than them. and daigo will quit. =/
wow, so we will prob see one more verison of sf4. So thats 4 goin on 5(the first arcade sf4, sf4 console, super sf4, sf4 arcade edition). Wat ever, hopefully they really balance this one. THe best thing they can do is go back to the super street fighter 4 characters and work from there, all u need is basicly buffs with small tweaks.
I'd like the twins to be nerfed just so the scrubs will drop them. That way I can use them without running into them every other match.
@Samurai
What do you want me to say here? Your not happy about your characters so the game needs to be changed?
I like to use Chun, Ryu, Rog, Bison.... All nerfed. So what? I can still use them. I can still beat ppl's a$$ with them.
Meanwhile, plenty of "weaker" characters have become stronger.
Example: Makoto, Juri, Hakan, T.Hawk, Guy.... Theses are just examples of low tiers that got improved for AE.
So... You've make the "Strong" weaker and the "Weak" stronger right? Isn't that bringing everything closer the the middle! Isn't that balance?
Tell me anyone of those "low tiers" I mentioned isn't better in AE than they were in Super!
So Samurai, in closing.... While You or I might not like the changes made to our characters, doesn't mean we should cry like babies until Capcom comes over and bottle feeds us.
@ Aluppoj
Yes, some weaker characters got buffed, but that doesn't justify nerfing characters that didn't need to be nerfed.
What I would like to see is AE Makoto, Yun, Yang, Guy,.... And Super Balrog, Cammy, Guile. That would make the game more balanced. And more balanced is a good thing.
By the way, I still play with Balrog. Doesn't matter if he's nerfed or not. Maybe I'm not a good player, but I play with him because I like his style. And Oni is fun to play too. I play with other characters too, just for fun.
@SAMURAI
Maybe if you made that semi coherent argument that last hundred posts you've made instead of posting "HURRR INB4 PEEPOLES SAY YUNZ NOT OP" you could have gotten that point across much more soon.
Do you see how easy it was to post a little more civilized? Please don't revert to being a brainless monkey with a keyboard again.
And +10 to all those getting easy wins over twins as the game is now!
@Samurai
I'm not sure leaving the Strong, "Strong" creates the "Balance" your looking for.
I don't see Cammy losing her Tiger Knee strikes as a bad thing, it was a semi abusive tool. Besides, she received plenty of buffs to make up for it.
Seth's arms were scrubby and abusive. Now the character is legit IMO, he also received Health, Damage and Stun buffs to make up for it.
My Air Tutsu is the most useless thing in the game now, but should we re-write everything because I'm not happy? No.
They brought the Top characters down, and brought the bottom characters up. That's called balance.
The X-Factor is the Twins and Fei.
Strong? Yes.
Broken? No.
I think the big difference when Pros say "yun is strong" is that they're thinking about the matchups, and working out ways to deal with him.
When most people on forums say yun is strong, it really is whining and basically just begging capcom to hit him with the nerf hammer.
Like I said in #29 and 37 -
Anniversary edition, play any version of your character.
Vanilla, Super, AE, or 2012.
Who would be the new BEST top tier in all 3 versions??
Make it happen - especially on PC :D
well, after the next patch who are you scrubs going to complain about then? huh? ....pathetic....
you should all go work at capcom, ssf4 napoleon edition ver.3.27 super ultra hyper championship scrub edition.
If they made an edition where u can play as any character from vanilla to ae, I believe vanilla sagat would beat any and everybody... The twins wouldn't be able to take his hits at all!!! Vanilla Sagat was very powerful, and was always a threat in tourneys...
Ok I play both the twins only because after they nerfed the hell out of the rose u2 I was forced to do so because she gets brutally dominated by almost any rushdown charcter in the game now! AE makes me sick it is an unbalanced and a one dimensional game that cators to about 15 characters that require no skill at all to use...a rebalance is needed...re-nerf bison balrog yun seth and fei and give rose back those invinsibility frames!!!! There was No need to nerf it in the first place capcom!
1. By saying "make SFV" you show how newby you are when it comes to, not just SF, but gaming history in general. I'm not even going to go into specifics here.
2. Keep balances coming yearly, SF was made for competitive updates and roster changes, it's perfect.
3. I'm actually really mad someone asked Ono to stop making SFIV games. Really rude and ignorant.
@110 Can't tell if trolling or just incredibly stupid...
and how can you "re-nerf" Yun if he's a new character to SF4?
@111 He shouldn't stop making SF games, he should just consider not listening to the regular fans in terms of balance anymore. That doesn't mean they shouldn't listen to top players at all though.
"Broken", "Cheap", and "Tier Whore" are so overused with the current generation of fighting game players. I'm starting to see some similarities between 12 year old online COD players and the current FG generation.
I miss the good old days when gaming companies made games without fan base input. none of this crying for patches and remakes because they can't or won't figure out how to beat a character themself. isn't that what forums are for? to discuss a game? not to QQ about it?
Everyone is buying the updates so why not keep making them? They know exactly what they're doing balance wise too. Super was the most balanced one. They intentionally made it unbalanced by making Yun very good (As Ono admitted) to "keep the fighting spirit alive"; and needlessly nerfed the World Warrior characters without any explanation. Its obvious that all these changes are just keep the people complaining and looking forward to another update which they get to charge for.
Capcom doesn't care about the current complaints because they know that all those people are still gonna by the game anyway. If the game is balanced there's less to look forward to and less demand for a new version of the game.
Now they also know they can put just a few new characters in also and we'll buy it so the next one might have 2 new characters and more empty slots to fill for the next version. Who knows how many versions are coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci_6CQ...
@116
Those older games generally had broken characters and unbalanced rosters. While games like these did result in a lot of people developing good tactics vs. the broken characters, it didn't change the fact that the roster was still imbalanced. Being able to balance out the game post release is a good thing, and I don't see any reason to complain about it. I'd rather have a game where no one character is significantly dominant over the others than the alternative.
Fan input should definitely not be the sole driving force behind the development of a game, but it can be a valuable source for the developers to pull from. Ultimately the developers make the final product; they decide what they want each character to be capable of, but if they're willing to open an ear to what the playerbase at large has to say, they may change a few things based on those perspectives. This is a good interaction for game developers to have with their customers.
You know what guys? You are all complaining about people complaining, Yuns, new updates, this, that, BLAH BLAH BLAH. WHAT ABOUT DAN!? Really, I mean what about him? Dan needs to get so freakin buffed The Terminator wouldn't mess with him. Let each taunt build 1/4 EX, give is Air MP a combo usage, give him a actual good costume, Gadoukens take up the whole screen in a laser-type projectile, and give him the Otoko Michi from MvC for an Ultra. Just a though :D
new characters are either fairly weak, because of the lack of knowledge on using them, or powerful, because of the lack of knowledge on defeating them. regardless, I'm not exactly sure if I understand the impatience from some. alot of arguments have come by here, some valid and some not, but whether the game needs another serious update or not, I feel only time can tell. all I can say is give it time. you might be surprised by how much people's views on things can change in a year or so.
I think that people in the community have NO clue what "Broken" or "Op" means.
Phoenix is "Op". And if she wins Evo she will probably get patched or get a Tournament Ban.
That is a game changing character. Almost a "Game Breaking" character.... How many Majors in a row do the twins/fei have to not win or even place top 8 before we see that everything is ok?
Yes, Yes, I know Yun won Rev and Ncr9. Oh.... Wait.... That was Daigo right? Pretty sure he's like the best SF4 player in the world.
Maybe C.Viper, Seth, Akuma are the real "Top Tiers"? Or maybe, just maybe....
Player Skill > Tier List!
Lesson learned: Play more, complain less.
@98 - the fact that u think having super guile, cammy and rog in AE would make it balanced is laughable.those exact 3 chars were some of the biggest problems with super's so called balance! certain chars had no answer for cammys tkcs, abel vs cammy was a nightmare for abel.rog with his lame ass st.jab hitting crouchers and who can forget our favorite american braindead retard guile with "sonic boom,sb,sb,cr.fp...sb,sb,backfist,sb,sb,sb...ZZZZZZZ".AE's balance is FAR better than super!For the first time ever in the sf4 series playing lame isn't the only viable way to play.
So, is Seth now a S tier you whiners after what Poonkgo did?
Whats wrong with another update? You think the twins are fair? You think Fei is fair? I love how all of a sudden you people are all complaining a new update is coming when a while ago there was a post complaining that they are too good, you all changed your mind? They might not be broken, but that dosen't change the fact the game itself isn't broken. I main gouken, and just ran a ton of matches with FNEX Shiine, and he picked yang and bodied my gouken, who isnt half bad by the way. He himself even admitted that theres nothing gouken can do against them, and at first i didnt believe him. Now i know why after he pretty much destroyed me. It's pretty said i have to change my character just to have a fair chance against others. They buff gouken and i was so happy, then i see that he got buffed just to get bodied more.
Well i play Akuma since Vanilla and dont have much of a problem with the twins and fei. The only thing that annoys me really with yun and yang is the stupid metergain - seriously why does guile need to do 20 sonic booms for 1 bar now and yun needs to whiff 4 palms? Thats really stupid and unfair..I wouldn`t have that much a problem with an update...
Wouldn't it be better if he just spoke Japanese and be translated..?
I am by the way very curious about how all these whining bitching pussy's live their lives. If they cant even accept a illusionary unfairness in a *game*, how will they deal with life's unfairness. ;)
I do hope there will be another SF4 game because I'm so disappointed that Yun, Yang, Evil Ryu and Oni Akuma don't have rival cutscenes and sadly no Alex and Ono still didn't get to the bottom of this
People on here complaining about the twins, are cowards... To be honest Yun's reversals when he gets knocked down are horrible, n Yang can be safe jumped... Land 2 nice combos on either one, n they're dazed. I'm not a top tier, nor a mid-tier player, but I really don't have a big problem against the twins... I main Akuma, so once I get the untech knockdown, they can kiss their ass good night!!! Patience is the key people, so stop crying about a patch, n learn to fight!!!
@135. Maybe Alex and whoever else was supposed to be added got pulled out and added to Tekken Vs SF.
@115 I was speaking re-nerf on the characters besides yun you idiot yun just needs an overall nerf
He 'trolled' about a PC version of AE as long as a year before it was made official. So some of what he says ain't BS. The biggest let-down for me was prior to the Comiccon(I think?) announcement he promised new character reveals, when he just reannounced the twins we'd already seen pics of. A nonofficial announcement is still an announcement after all...
I think we need another change. The producers should make it so that other characters are not allowed to taunt at Guile. No taunting allowed against American soldiers:
If they can't get it right after 3 versions who really expects them to do any better?
You know what would be great?
If this edition of Street Fighter doesn't have anyone trying to come up with tier lists for it, and that includes this website.
They play their chosen characters to the max and beyond, and just see what they come out with.
People do base their decisions around tier lists; even many of those who think they do no such thing do it subconsciously. There becomes some accepted view of certain characters being above and below, that enters the common wisdom among the followers of the game, and it creates a rigid way of looking at things that's hard to shake off or challenge. People like to make their minds up quickly about a characters' potential so as to sound authoritative as soon as possible.
And when people don't challenge the accepted view and play the 'best' characters, or just don't push the limits of their 'weaker' characters, it seems to create further 'evidence' (confirmation bias) that they were right all along to think the tiers are where they are placed, since the better characters are winning and the weaker are losing. And the 'weaker' ones lose often due simply to the players' limiting mindset and playing the character in a submissive-to-convention way instead of an ingenious new way, and then the 'stronger' ones keep winning because of that, cementing the existing beliefs of the characters' places further.
Certain characters ARE dominant; that is a reality. But when does the fat lady sing? When does it get cemented in stone once and for all as to who is where? Question all of your assumptions. Maybe make a rule to only even consider tier lists that are new after at least five years of the game being released. This game is deeper than anyone is realising.
The balance changes to AE are a command from on high to _push your characters' limits and find new things_. The devs are yelling at you to break the game open, which means that you haven't yet. Do you understand?
ryuhayabusa13> pretty much the case, dissappointing as Hell
Since when was Super ever balanced? Did you see plenty of Dans, Hakkan, Gouken, Deejay, Guy, Gen, Cody etc tearing stuff up? AE comes out and all of a sudden Super is the pinnacle of balance. All the supposedly over nerfed characters are still quite capable as shown in recent tournaments.
Yun is cheap as hell granted but try not to blow this out of proportion.
The people who are calling for the return of SSF4-Guile and SSF4-Cammy in order to make things more "balanced" are just plain ridiculous.
Cough, SAMURAI, cough.
SSF4-Guile and SSF4-Cammy were far more broken than the Twins in AE. In AE, even the characters in the lowest tier levels can beat out the Twins.
In beating SSF4-Guile using one of the characters from mid-tier was much harder than beating the Twins with AE characters that are of the lowest tier.
Every character can stuff and counter the Twins' dive-kicks. But back in SSF4-Cammy, A LOT of characters had just no answer to her TKCS. The reason for that is because TKCS was broken. The makers never intended the TKCS to be in the game in the first place. It was hard for the makers of SSF4 to design a counter strategy for the CAmmy TKCS when they didn'teven know that her TKCS existed.
Saying that SSF4-Guile and SSF4-Cammy with her TKCS were "balanced" is just plain stupid.
Ono, should just ignore all American players. When you have people calling for the return of SSF4-Guile and SSF4-Cammy's TKCS, then you know that some of the players here are trying to manipulate the producers to make their own favorite characters be the strongest and most OP.
@149
You make a very good point here: "Did you see plenty of Dans, Hakkan, Gouken, Deejay, Guy, Gen, Cody etc tearing stuff up?"
All those characters you've just mentioned (Dan, Hakan, Gouken, Deejay, Guy, Gen, and Cody) have a much easier time taking on the Twins in AE than they did taking on SSF4-Guile in SSF4. I've actually played Dee-Jay and Cody for quite a while in SSF4. And trying to beat a lame-defensive SSF4-Guile with those two characters in SSF4 was like hitting a brick wall. I don't have a hard time against the twins at all when using those two in AE.
Not to mention, most of the characters you listed did not have a real way to answer to Cammy abusing the broken TKCS. But all these characters do have legitimate ways to answer to the twins' dive-kicks.
@154
Aluppoj. Look, I'm sorry if some of what I say come across as offensive. I agree that not all cry-babies on eventhubs are Americans, and I also agree that not all American players on eventhubs are crybabies either.
But the point I was trying to get across is that if Ono does want to consider re-balancing, then he should definitely consider ignoring some of the whiners here at eventhubs.
There are people here who are complaining about how AE is unbalanced, but at the same time, they are calling for Ono to bring back SSF4-Guile and SSF4-Cammy with her TKCS. These people are not concerned about having a fair, balanced gameplay at all. These eventhubs posters just want to manipulate the Capcom producers into making their own favorite characters to be the most broken and OP cast members.
If people are genuinely talking about "balance" changes, then strengthening Hakan, Dan, and T.Hawk are reasonable considerations. But bringing back the SSF4 versions of Guile and Cammy is just ridiculous in terms of making a more "balanced" game.
I agree completely. AE by the Match Up is MORE balanced than Super. That's right. I said it. MORE balanced!
I'm having a fun time in AE... My Chun is currently #4 in the World Ranks, and I'm still winning with my good ol nerfed Tatsu, nerfed low forward, Ryu!
Twins? What Twins? I whoop em all! Lol.
I see a lot of people talking about The Twins and the nerfs of the old cast...but I have been seeing some things in the game that I don't understand and it has nothing to do with who beats who. More normals, specials, and ultras have been trading. In some instances where they never have before, and I talking about offline as well as on so its not lag.
Before the free update these trades never happened, oh and I'm implying that this issue also happens in super as well. Has anyone else made the same observation, or is this just me? I hope to think the latter but I seriously doubting it.
If they update it in 2012, all I ask is that they fix this. EX shoryuken should NOT lose to a normal special with no invincibility.
I keep getting this feeling that when Daigo started trying out Yun he realize how powerful he was.
After playing competitively all these years, Seth Killian said Daigo was getting a bit frustrated with everyone's comments about him not being as good. And with each version Ryu was nerfed so Daigo knew picking Yun would be him at full power (according to Killian) and now it's exciting that there's this overpowering Daigo coming, but after this Evo there needs to be a balance.
Hearing Combofiend admit he had no chance against Daigo's Yun was a depressing thought, and I don't want Evo to turn into Daigo getting free cash like the last couple tournaments. If Yun isn't nerfed I don't see how we can have EVO's like the last couple of years where everyone had a chance. I can't shake the feeling that we need them toned down some time this year in an update...
Damn Ono.