Shadowloo Showdown 2011 in Melbourne, Australia has finished up. The Shadowloo crew provided the live stream for viewers at home throughout the weekend.
Got hold of a laptop! Sweet.
This guy on the mic seems pretty safe. This tourns looking BIG. My cash is on Tokido. -> £ <-
Game outt is sick! sad to see what they did to Guile's damage . His Flashkick is neutered. Cant wait to see Tsrai's blanka, Makoto's Vega, Uryo and Sako
#12 Tokido has a good chance. So does Momochi if hes anything like his old self. All his characters moved up the teir list (Ken, Cody) and he plays makoto. Interested to see how Gamerbee does, he steamrolled his match
this AE tournament should be 2X evo points. it doesn't make sense that some easy mode tournaments got just as many points as this one. The east coast showdown winner has no chance.
Gootecks not hearing of Gameouttt? Ooooo, research lad :P
Holy crap Ken is awesome! MOV got Ken Masters lookin' like Ken Masters! That kara throw distance turns him into Kengeif lol godlike range like its a command throw
How do the pools work? Do you do Round Robin and get ranked in brackets, or is it a bracket from the very bottom? Can you get eliminated while still in pools?
of course you can get eliminated while in pools. it's straights double elim. all throughout.
So how are pool rosters decided? Why are they called pools instead of just playing the bracket? I don't know anything about video game tournament setup, so I'm curious. Seems a lot different than other tournament formats I'm used to.
Gootecks so intense with the grades at the end of each match.
Sweeet! MCZ is def the yankees/ heat of SSF4 community lol
Gamerbee vs Gameouttt should be good
don't let Kindevu join US tournament lol. he will counter pick us to dead.
@40,
Pardon me, Kindevu's a dick. counterpicking's a dog tactic brahz.
btw, i'm aussie and these commentators are fckn shameful. horrible wog accents, annoying as hell.
Also, 'overcooked' is not used commonly. WHATS WITH THESE RANDOM SHOUTOUTS FAT WHITE DUDE.
@ 45 That's Haitani aka Wa78051 (or something like that) Another great SF3 player. And I agree about Poongko who I've always thought was overrated, has a very strong chance of proving me wrong and might take the whole thing. HIs Seth looks scary good.
Keep in mind that all these Japs are coming to EVO this year. I doubt we'll see any Americans in top 8 honestly.
5 Gods:
Daigo
Tokido
Sako
Haitani
Nuki
Does Nuki still play at all?
@SF4maniac:What is this then?
http://shadowlooshowdown.com/register...
@Hitstick I don't know. My player list is from Itazan's Twitter and here. http://beastnote.blogspot.com/2011/06...
#69 [Racist term deleted] Usually I put up with your asinine annoying comments but seriously stfu already.
#73 You really think so? Can you explain why? Just curious, Only "counterpick" Ive heard is Gief..
@#76 Fei's stand jab beats dive kick every time so really puts a stop to his pressure game but I still wouldn't say its a counter-pick, Compared to Fei vs Sagat or Seth vs Zangief etc.
@#81: It's just more about the "5 childred" or "5 prodigies" more than 5 Gods. Its 5 young new player that were rising and considered as very talented, according to Nuki (Interview on youtube). First it is Ume - Nuki (Daigo and Nuki), and then Tokido. After a while, Sako start to gain attention through his godlike Vampire Saviour skill. And then Haitani appear due to his godlike 3rd strike performance.
But it is just some media thing, not like recognise title like Daigo as 2d Fighting Kami
@#81
Dunno about 'beating', but:
Rufus has good pressure with his divekicks(twins do not deal with them THAT well), can threaten them in the air with Roundhouse juggles, and his BnBs and easy combo into Ultra lead to massive damage. Ex-messiah out of trouble helps as well.
And all these characters want to carry the momentum, so if Rufus gets going...
So he certainly does not have a hopeless match-up.
@84
AE alone lasted like 11 hours. Ridiculous
@87
As a Rufus player, I think you (and unfortunately, even tourney players) are missing one key element to Rufus' game against the twins. Both of his ultras beat Yun/Yang special moves. It's clear both Larry and Daigo didn't know, as evident by the fact that Daigo kept rush punching even though Larry had an ultra ready to throw out at any moment.
Daigo is the beast and there's no disputing how great he is. However, I think the Yun/Rufus match-up is in Rufus' favor, and had Larry known he could punish rush punch and shoulder block with ultra, the outcome would've been different.
Amazing tournament so far! Props to Haitiani, Tokido, Poongko, Mago, Momochi, MOV
Poongko vs Itabashi Zangief and Tokido vs Haitiani were really hype...although i hate Makoto in AE.
Also, everyone who mains Vega has to watch that Makoto vs Heave Weapon match...my god...Makoto is just dancing. He makes Vega look so dangerous and powerful...
he still lacks some AE-experience, but he plays Vega like noone else.
They said on the stream that Poongko usually plays 16 hours a day...sometimes even 24 hours straight...OMFG!
The tournament is a lot friendlier for Europeans to follow, since the hours are a lot better. You can see the finals around noon or earlier. To watch stuff like CEO or norcal I have to stay up until the morning
Great stuff, great players. But this looks like an all-asian party
@Ibuki
Pool A:
Winners - Gamerbee and Kindevu
Losers - MOV and Humanbomb
Nuki talks about Sako and the 5 Gods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMAZqD...
Here's the top 16:
Winners:
•GamerBee (Adon)
•Kindevu (Yun, Sagat)
•Haitani (Makoto)
•Poongko (Seth, Yang)
•Xian (Yun)
•Uryo (Sakura)
•RF (Sagat, Fei Long)
•Toxy (Akuma, Yun)
Losers:
•MOV (Ken)
•Human Bomb (Yang)
•Tokido (Akuma)
•Itabashi Zangief (Zangief)
•Mago (Fei Long)
•Mike Ross (Honda)
•Makoto (Vega)
•Momochi (Ken, Cody, Yun)
Total: 14 different characters in this top 16; which is very good !!
This roster is STACKED !!! INCREDIBLE !! Justin Wong and Ricky Ortiz woudn't even made top 16 in this tournament. And all of theses players are coming to EVO !! On top of that, with all the best EUROS (Luffy, Alioune, Starnab, Ryan Hart, V-Ryu) and probably at least 10 more japanese players (Amiyu, Daigo, Sako, Shiro, Bonchan, Tsrai and more) + Infiltration, aside the ones we've seen at Shadowloo showdown...
Overall, I will be surprise if more than 2 americans makes top 16 at EVO and I'm dead serious !!
Look at all these salty, half-assed Yanks sobbing over how they think that no Americans will make top 8 or top 16 at Evolution 2011 this year.
Oh wait. I'm sorry, but I thought that there was no such thing as Racist bias, there was no such thing as nationalistic bias amongst players of the Street Fighter community.
Wasn't that the message that people tried to tell me when I was talking about how racist and nationalistic biases is a major factor for why so many people are hating on Yun for top-tier in AE but at the same time, not very many people criticized Guile for being cheap in SSF4 and how not many players criticized Cammy for having the broken TKCS in SSF4.
Remember kids, there's no such thing as racist or nationalistic bias amongst players of the Street Fighter community. Pffft, haha.
HumanBomb is Asian, from Australia. I really wanted Playerjun and TSRAI to show up, it's too bad. Hopefully they will be at EVO
I'm not surprised Mike Ross is in top 16 in Ae. He stepped up his game with Honda. He learned how to lame it out properly, which is how you play Honda efficiently. I'm surprised to see him in top 16 for Marvel though. Both him and Mago didn't seem top tier last i saw them, so either the competition is low, or tthey stepped up their game. Or both.
@109
They probably started to spend more of their daily practice time with MvC3 and using less time with SF. People here and there say things along the lines of: "STFU and stop making the multiple games excuse."
But fact remains that if a player dedicates himself to more than one games, then he won't be as good at either of the two as he would be when just dedicating all the time, training to just one game. That's just some basic common sense.
@111
I've been playing with Honda as one of my secondaries since Vanilla, and the only real change that I've noticed in AE is that now it takes a few more hits to beat the opponent due to nerfed damage. They say that his frame-data on some of his attacks have also been changed, but I haven't seen any difference coming into play when I use him in AE though.
Maybe I'm not that great and maybe the effects of these nerfs are much more noticeable when playing at the professional level. But from my XBox live experience, the only true change is that it now takes about 3-4 extra hits to beat the other person depending on the character due to decreased damage. 5 extra hits at most.
With that in mind. I don't think that these damage nerfs are going to affect Ross that much at all. Because if you see most of Mike's matches in SSF4, he took most of the matches pretty convincingly with over 50% of his health bar still remaining.
It amazes me how awkward these announcers are. TY for the stream though.
"But fact remains that if a player dedicates himself to more than one games, then he won't be as good at either of the two as he would be when just dedicating all the time, training to just one game. That's just some basic common sense."
of course you will be better at that one if you just focus on just one game. Just look at j wong. His SF4 skill has been going down since all the fighters were coming out. But it's still probably to be very godlike in multiple games, you just can't be the best at multiple games.
@fireinthehole "Look at all these salty, half-assed Yanks sobbing over how they think that no Americans will make top 8 or top 16 at Evolution 2011 this year.
Oh wait. I'm sorry, but I thought that there was no such thing as Racist bias, there was no such thing as nationalistic bias amongst players of the Street Fighter community. "
that's not racist. just like epsn people said, American player will not win Wimbledon this year
It's amazing how people started complaining about Vega on the stream once Makoto beat Mike and Gootecks. It goes to show that even if Yun and Yang get nerfed people will still complain about something.
when the hell is 3's gonna be over with?? its freakin boring and outdated...
#133 either you started playing yesterday or you're just stupid. 3rd strike boring and outdated? it's the ultimate 2d fighting game... you must be 5 years old or something.
Did Capcom already patch the game? I thought the top 16 were supposed to all be using Yun. Isn't Yun broken? How come there are so many other characters in the top 16? I thought Yun was unbeatable? Capcom must have listened to you guys. Good Job!
Also, I thought you guys said 3rd stick was balanced. How come there are only 3 different characters in the top 8?
i like the crowd going waaa XD for the feilong player
Well, I'm oldschool (SF1 all the way till present). And I freaking love 3s. But no hating on sf4 please. It's an amazing game also.
Ppl don't take the meta game into account. 3s is all about skill, no doubt. But SF2 and SF4 are all about the meta game.
Again, 3s lover here, day 1 purchase, but SSF4 is my game of preference.
This is such an incredibly disappoint tournament. They streamed grudge matches between players that nobody outside of Australia care about (they could do that OFF stream), while the top 16 which includes some of the best players in the world gets played in the background.
Haitani was the person I was most hyped about this tourney, but he was sent to loser's bracket by Poongko and then eliminated by Momochi, and it was off stream. While we get to watch some Australian players play.
Disappointing.
I stayed up until 6am in the East Coast to watch Haitani vs. Poongko and instead I got Jack from Melbourne and Bob from Sydney. Stay classy Australia.
Wow, good s--t from RF. WTF was his team thinking? Why the hell did neither Kindevu nor Momochi use Yun? Are those two top Japanese players giving in to all the whining, crying, and sobbing by all the Yun haters that they've decided to avoid him?
10 Japanese players, 1 Taiwanese, 1 Korean, 1 Hong Kong, 1 AmericaN and 2 Australians in SSFIV Top 16.
Wow, just wow, quality is just too much.
@148
They can play 2 characters each. Kindevu probably picked Yang and Juri, Momochi with Cody and Yun, and RF with Sagat and Fei Long.
I think Momochi felt more comfortable using Cody against Honda (or maybe he has his own reasons), but who knows.
Momochi saw what mike did to kinder and figured Cody would match up better which would have worked but this is Mike Ross where talking about.
@154
lol. Kindevu and Mago look same with the hair dye but they are of different size.
@NerfGuile #136
22 characters appeared in the singles matches so far.
of those 22 characters:
4 were Yun
2 were Yang
2 were Fei Long
So, over 1/3rd of the characters to make it so far have been part of the S tier group. And Yun appears 2x as much as any other character.
MIKE ROSS ELIMINATES MAGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Did Mike Boss just take out Mago¿¿¿¿¿
Awesome stuff, Mike Ross and Inthul coaching!
Mike "The F***ing Boss" Ross!
Fantastic match by both Mike and Mago!
Oh no!!!!!!!!
Kindevu bodied Mike Ross.
Kindevu bodied Mike Ross.
Kindevu bodied Mike Ross.
OMG! OMG! OMG! Everybody!!!
Cry, cry, cry!!!
Whine, whine, whine!!!
Sob, sob, sob!!!
Yun's broken, not fair. Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa!!!
Get salty. Get salty. Get saltier than Mike Ross himself :)
Why does Gootecks always call it before its over? Dude wins like 1 round in a 2/3 set and Gootecks always declares "ITS OVER!"
LOL
Look at all these Mike Ross D-ckriders: #132, 145, 146, 147, 159, 160, 161, 162, 164, and 165.
They all had b-ners when Ross beat Mago but then had all their spirits drained from them when Kindevu bodied Ross. These Mike Ross d-ckriders are probably now having their own private "Whine about Yun party."
@170
FU. Mike Ross is the Sexiest Man alive. Everybody loves Mike Ross. You're fckn *** if you don't dickride at Mike Ross.
mike "2D GOD-SLAYER" ross !!!! too bad the magic burned out against kindevu
Big Props to Uryo for sticking to his guns with Sakura. An inspiration. Very fun tourney...had to stay up for it.
That game between Gamerbee and Poongko did not look like a button check to me lol. He started the exact same way against RF.
Well...Yun is starting look like Vanilla Sagat. Very strong but probably won't take nearly as many tourneys as people think with Daigo being the exception.
@176
WTF!?!?!? Godlike comment, but not as godlike as comment #168. Haha.
POONGKO BODIES MOMOCHI!!!!!!!!!!!! SETH >>>>>>>>>>>> YUN!!!!!!
STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
amazing play by poongko he improves so much :) congratz
but i still think daigo will win evo :) cuz he is the beast !
POONGKO chugging all that Red Bull goes down in my book as one of the most epic win moments in any tournament. Made Momochi look like a chump. Good games!
Very impressive showing by Poongko. Momochi is no slouch, but he made him look likea beginner. Seth was very, very dominant in all three games. Momochi didn't get going at all as all of his set-up were stuffed by Poongko. Awesome gameplay. Congratulations.
POONGKO: MOMOCHI NOT WORTHY FOR MY FIST, MAGO MORE WORTHY!!!!
DAIGO YOU'RE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
really wanted uryo to win this tournament.. but congrats to poongko,
ps what people don't know is, poongko was on international tournaments before (sf4 vanilla) and there was a korea vs japan tournament and japan won i think. so it's not really his first international tourmanent. just sayin
Wow Poongko better be At EVO this year.
This was his first tournrament outisde Korea (except that vanilla launch tournament at Gamestop, which doesnt really matter since the game was just released) and he wins, with some of Japan's finest players attending.
Korea really blowing things up now, Infiltration has been to 3 tournaments in the US and has come Top 3 every time.
Hope Poongko & Infiltration team up for SBO.
Overall, one of the best tournament finals. Top 16 saw 14 different characters and some of the best line-up of godly players. Even Yun did not quite dominate as much as I thought he would. Can't wait to see what EVO has to offer.
Leave it to @fireinthehole #95 to turn this into a racist issue. Dude, your BS is getting old fast. Why can't we just enjoy a tournament in peace? Lighten up, son, it'sjust a tournament on stream. Relax, have a beer or something and just watch some good players.
The Mike Ross Vs Mago match was so hype i'm still gasping for air.
CONGRATULATIONS to Poongko. I'd love to see Poongko at EVO. Imagine a Grand Final with Poongko and Daigo. :)
Fantastic tournament. Good to see all the guys we've seen on youtube replays show up in tournaments. Hatani was really impressive with that Makoto. Plenty of variety in character usage. ViperRX should have shown up for some Gouken action.
Getting out of pools in EVO will be an accomplishment if most of these guys show up.
Hahahhhh look at the top 8, all foreign players I love it. Yea Jwong & the rest are gonna have a chance @Evo. Last year I think only Daigo and..Mago went? Not sure, but now all these guys are going.
And damnnn Poongko, Seth <333 damn. And yea Yun is great, broken maybe, but all these guys are using nerfed characters and winning.
(Why is mago so low? Thirdteen? Damn, I thought he was top 3 japan)
Damn mago so low for AE, but so high with Tokido for MVC3 lmao, crazyyy
In NYC. Just woke up to see the results. Congrats to Poongko for persisting with Seth. Nobody will know that match up at his level (except Infiltration of course.....!).
I'm going to Evo this year. it would be so good to see all the best players from Asia, Europe, Australia, all in one place....
Once again, amazing tournament. Poongko ('playing street fighter 16 hours a day') was putting on an incredible show.
Makoto is still a god with Vega! I felt bad for MOV and Uryo...bad luck and a few bad decisions!
I think if MOV continues to play SF4 he could become the best Ken out there.
Also great show by Deshiken, winning 3rd strike!
I wasn't impressed by any Yun...Daigos Yun is still by far the best!
One more thing: I really get annoyed by commentators who claim that their character is the worst in the game - I'm looking at you Mike Ross!
I can't stand all that "Honda is so bad", "that's such a horrible match-up for Honda"-talk...I never heard that guy say "that's a good match-up for Honda"!
I bought Marvel just to see how it works so when I go to Evo I have a little insight.
I still have to do my research. But on the surface it looks very odd to me. Tokido gets one hit at the beginning vs. Mago and it's game over!
I've seen this s number of times at the top level. Seems like a weird game. Excuse my ignorance :-)
Lol mike Ross has been saying Honda is the worst since he started with him I missed it but he is so far Americas best hope the people's champ.
@253
Yeah, I think that goes without saying. OnlineTony can barely place in top 16 consistently in the U.S. Poongko, with the exception of Daigo and a few others, just bodied Japan.
Poongko might be the best player in the World at the moment, but he needs to play Daigo, not just once or twice, but A LOT, to be able to prove it.
Mike Ross vs. Mago = http://www.justin.tv/shadowloohq/b/28... (Part 3, 30m00s)
Guys, am i still missing something? How come Yun didn't win? I thought he was broken? How come there aren't more Yuns? If he is so powerful wouldn't everyone be using him?
How can a seth beat a broken character? I thought you guys said seth was totally nerfed and no longer viable. Actually there must be 50 comments regarding poongko not even being good in those other threads.
If poongko is really that bad, and seth sucks, how did this happen? Especially considering there were so many good players.
POONGKO: If I had faced Mago in the finals, it would have been very hard.
- Mike Ross eliminates Mago
- Mago can beat Poongko
- USA wins again
Mike "I Believe" Ross
Shoutouts to Poongko!!! He just disproved all his haters out there. He never lost a single set.
Contrags to Poongko, f**kin' awesome tourn even though I missed most of it :(
Mike "People Champ" Ross, best in the US at the mo? Yeah I think so ha
@#253 Minus the question mark sonny
@271
2011
- not believing in Mike Ross
- I seriously hope you guys don't do this.
All this Mike Ross D-ckriding is just plain ridiculous.
You guys do realize that it was an extremely close match right? You guys do understand that Mike Ross's win over Mago is more-or-less just like Marn eliminating Daigo from SBR last year right?
I highly doubt that Mike Ross is better than Mago. Mago clearly showed his side of arrogance when playing against Mike Ross.
During the second round of the second match, Mago almost eliminated Ross. Mago had a huge life lead and he could've just lamed it out by letting the time run low and provoking Mike Ross to go on the offensive. But no, Mago had to try and rush down Mike Ross who was sitting on a full super and he ended up eating the double headbutt.
Same thing during the third round of the final match. Mago had a large life lead and he could have just stayed back and let the time run low, this would've forced Mike Ross to go on the offensive. But no, Mago just wanted to finish him off. Mago decided to jump towards Mike Ross when Mike Ross had a fully charged level-two ultra-1, which could be used as an anti-air. Mago ate the fully-charged Ultra and then ended up losing the round.
This was just pure arrogance on Mago's part. Fei Long does have the tools necessary to play a good defenseive game against Honda, not sure why Mago chose to rushdown Honda when he had a full super (2nd round of 2nd match) and when he had a full level2 ultra (3rd round of 3rd match). On top of that, it's WAYYY harder for Honda to land his Super or Ultra-1 when Honda's on the offensive.
Just watch tournament matches with Honda and people will easily see that most of the time that Honda connected his Super or Ultra-1 happened when Honda was on the defense end.
Also, Mago freely jumping towards Mike Ross at the end of the final round was plain stupid. It reminded me of how Daigo threw a hadoken at Marn, and ended up eating Dudley's ultra back during SBR.
It's been common knowledge for a long time that Honda's U1 could be used as an anti-air if timed correctly. Mago clearly underestimated Mike Ross's abilities when he just randomly jumped towards Mike Ross who was sitting on a fully charged level-two Ultra.
only daigo won big tournament with Yun. Poongko said he is only scare of mago.
not impressive that Mike Ross's win. last round, last game = weak. Poongko's wins are more impressive, no need the weak last round, last game win.
anyone who thinks this makes mike better than mago is jsut stupid overall its just more exciting seeing a worse player take a victory from a higher level player the whole underdog syndrome thats the only reason i found his victories over the international players entertaining
Mike Ross > Mago
Mago is a overrated tier wh*re, get off his nuts.
Mike Ross is third place EVO 2010. What makes Mago so special that he's better than Mike? Mago plays with the best character in every version of SF4 and he still got bodied in the Canada Cup, he got bodied in Revelations and he got bodied today. And he will get bodied at EVO 2011. He hasn't proven anything outside of Japan.
But he's Japanese, so he must be better than Mike Ross right?
@ 279
Poongko said more along the lines of, "I was disappointed that Mago wasn't here. Yun is hard to fight against, but so is Fei. And I have a hard time fighting Mago. I wanted to beat Mago. Even though I'm glad I won against Momochi's Yun, I'm not fully satisfied because Mago wasn't here."
I'm Korean :)
^
I meant, dissapointed that Mago didn't make it to the Finals. Sorry.
@ 292
Well to be fair, in the Canada Cup, Daigo counter-picked Mago's Fei with his Guile. That is a MAJOR counter-pick.
In Revelations it was Yun vs Fei.
Imo, Mago and Daigo is probably fairly even. I here they usually always go 50/50 whenever they challenge each other.
@293
Once again, A LOT of players here refuse to criticize Guile for being OP in SSF4 because of the fact that he's an American soldier. And yes, SSF4-Guile was definitely OP.
@284
Do you even know when to use the word "bodied"? You don't just randomly throw that word around whenever someone loses. The word "bodied" means that someone lost a set convincingly, which was not the case with Mike Ross Vs Mago today.
The final round of the final match was very close. It's not like Mike Ross had a ton of health left, in fact, he barely had any health left.
If you bothered to read through post #277, you'll see that Mago actually almost won in both cases but let his arrogance get the best of him. He wasn't playing the match-up the way it was supposed to be played.
The way the match-up is supposed to be played is that Fei Long should go in for the first few hits to get a lead, and then stay back once he does have the lead. Trying to rush down a Honda that was fully charged with Super and Ultra was not the way to go.
Now the Kindevu eliminating Mike Ross match does fit the definition of "bodied," and yes Mike Ross did get bodied by Kindevu.
@294 You sir, are an idiot.
Noone cares what nationality their VIRTUAL character is supposed to be.
The only nationalism that appears is in regards to the PLAYER. Just like in soccer/futball or any sport. We don't care what nationality the players on the team are, we care who the team represents.
David Beckham plays for an American team now. We'd cheer him on the same as any other member of the team despite the fact he is British.
Guile isn't a real person, Guile isn't American. Noone cares what nationality he is SUPPOSED to be. What they care about is the person who is playing the game.
Guile op cause he's an American soldier what a stupid statement he's only op online in super outside of that he gets owned in real tournaments name one guy who stuck with guile (not a counter-pick) and at least made it to top four the only one to even do that once was dominion and those were the last days of super sane with how wolfkrone got so big mo one was caring for super as much anymore.
Also mike has been compared to the top honda in Japan by Japanese players that speaks volumes in of itself.
Matter of fact Mike Ross got BODIED pretty badly against Kindevu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbgyIG...
The only round that he won against Kindevu was due to Kindevus' own arrogance (2nd round of the first match).
Yun players should never randomly throw out the non-Ex version of the Lung punch, which was what Kindevu did that caused him to lose the only round he lost against Mike Ross. Kindevu should know that random Lung Punches are not safe, he probably did it because he didn't think Ross had the reaction time to deal wit it.
@fireinthehole
I'd hardly say I'm dick riding Mike lol
I was merely stating what I saw, if it was Mago making the combeback with the first round I would have said
"Nice work Mago!"
and if Mago won the final fight I would have said big win if it was tight so I guess I would be dick riding him as well or anyone who I'm giving a shout out to for winning a fantastic match so no and your logic is severely flawed :P
Whats happened to being able to say congrats to someone without you little girls calling people "d1ckriders". Some of you guys are weird :E
If someone told me a year ago that Tokido and Mago would go to In regards to the silly Guile vs. Yun debate, the results are really what people will take into consideration. Despite being a great, probably best overall character in Super, Guile still wasn't as easy to use as vanilla Sagat or AE Yun, and it's early on and Yun is still doing well and in high circulation at every tournament, which was not the case with Guile.
it's funny that mike is using a character that is now in the bottom 8-9 in the game and when people congratulate him on his good performance, weaboos like fireinthehole piss on it by making it seem like mike is some scrub only there for practice against the great mago. *newsflash* being able to perform under pressure is a part of being a great player and if mago is unable to do that then maybe he isn't as great as you say he is.
lets see mago pick up honda and place top 5 at evo, top 3 at ceo and 9th at shadowloo shodown. it's not so easy when you're not using one of the top 2 characters in the game.
@304
"Despite being a great, probably best overall character in Super, Guile still wasn't as easy to use as vanilla Sagat or AE Yun, and it's early on and Yun is still doing well and in high circulation at every tournament, which was not the case with Guile."
SSF4-Guile not as easy to use as Vanilla-Sagat or AE-Yun?
Are you on crack or what? Or is it that you're not used to playing with charge based characters?
It was much easier to play it cheap with SSF4-Guile than it is with Vanilla-Sagat or AE-Yun. Guile's Sonic-Boom game was insanely hard to penetrate.
In SSF4, they reduced the charge time needed for Guile to charge up a snoic-boom. Matter of fact, Guile's charge time for Sonic-Boom was shortened to a point where he could actually keep with with Sagat in a fireball war.
But Sagat's tigershots at least took time to recover while SSF4-Guile recovered almost instantly on his sonic-boom. Now if you go into the lab, you'll see that SSF4-Guile could release a sonic-boom while certain characters are half-way through their jump arch and still pull off a block in time.
Not only that, but his Sonic-Hurricane, U2, was probably the most OP ultra in SSF4. It did 420 damage, which was unusually large considering that it was a projectile. The Sonic Hurricane comes out almost instantly, and the worst part about it was that it was also easy to use it as an anti-air.
If you jump towards Guile and end up eating the Sonic-hurricane, then you'll receive the full 420 damage even if you landed at the very edge of the Sonic-Hurricane wave. This means that you can jump towards a position that is around 30-40% across the screen from Guile and still eat the full sonic- hurricane.
On top of that Guile has the backhand, which has good range and does good damage. Also, his standing uppercut was one of the best anti-air normals in the game.
I'm not sure what your talking about when you say that SSF4-Guile didn't do well when SSF4 was just released. I remember during the first 2 weeks or so of SSF4, Guiles online were almost impossible to beat because their sonicboom+antiair defenses was so OP.
If you think that SSF4-Guile was harder to use than vanilla Sagat or AE Yun, then please give an explanaation of why. Just blatantly saying it isn't going to do much.
#306
". *newsflash* being able to perform under pressure is a part of being a great player and if mago is unable to do that then maybe he isn't as great as you say he is."
Newsflash: If you think that Mago does not have the ability to perform well under pressure, then please feel free to go back and watch Godsgarden 2 where Mago beat Sakonoko's Cammy, Momochi's Ken, Daigo's Ryu, Uryo's Viper, and Mochi's Dhalsim.
#309 but when mike performs under pressure it's because of mago's "arrogance" and mike's skill. hypocritical much?
@310
No, I'm not hypocritical. Mike was only able to land the super and fully charged ultra because Mago clearly did things that he knows he shouldn't be doing.
Mago's problem was that he underestimated Mike Ross, thinking that he wasn't as good. Underestimating the other players is more a question of good judgment or mis-judgement. And Mago clearly misjudged the situation in this case.
The issue of being able to perform under pressure concerns whther or not a player can execute the moves that he wants to pull off and when he wants to pull it off. Now both Mike Ross and Mago performed well under pressure.
The thing I was writing upon is how Mago clearly did things that he knows a Fei Long player should not have been doing. I've seen Mago play Japanese Hondas before.
When Mago plays Japanese Hondas, he never goes all out and try to rush down a Honda that's sitting on a full super or a fully charged up ultra. And it's also common sense to not freely jump towards a E.Honda with a full charged ultra 1 because the U1 has anti-air properties.
But the thing was that Mago did those things anyways. And the reason he was doing those things that he shouldn't have been doing was because he did not believe that Ross had the abilities to hit him with super and ultra. Now that's a question of misjudgement on Mago's part and he lost of that.
fireinthehole to prove your whole post was bs why the f would you jump when you know they have u2 plus everyone knows guile is the most free character on wake up due to having crap defense against cross ups.
Guile is like sim correct spacing to punish key difference aside from normals is moves and guile naturally had less but his whole game is not to get KD or he was done. Also sonic hurricane has start up so for example most Guiles use it for chip when the opponent is on wake up and gief can stop it with lariat or ex gh so it isn't instant i do believe he can be thrown from it like sim not sure on that.
Also other projectile characters have used there ultras as AA's and eat full dmg so not much of an argument there also lol yeah online dictates all not really online is a bandwagon fest with a couple of legit players in the mix of said bandwagon.
Mago got to comfy throwing out that c.hp he uses it as sort of to zone grapplers so Mago didn't expect a punish after it Mike capitalized also Mago mainly goes on offense since Honda got nerfed end of the day Mago lost and no amount of excuses will fix that Mike is just on point when need be.
fireinthehole is one of the pathetic abbos that Mike Ross teabagged in SS2K11.
U MAD BRO? YEAH U MAD.
Way to go ranting about Mike Ross' wins over Mago. LOL
fireinthehole
- not dickriding Mike "I believe I can win EVO2K11" Ross
- still not believing in Mike "Sexiest Man Alive" Ross
- i seriously hope you guys don't do this.
Mago is overrated and probably the biggest S Tier wh*re in the community.
And Guile's ultra 2 was overpowered? Bullsh*t! It was difficult to land against someone who knows how to play and extremely difficult to combo into it. And the damage scaling in a combo is ridiculous.
And besides that, Guile is easy to be counterpicked. He gets raped by a good Viper. What character can counterpick Yun or Vanilla Sagat like that?
Fireinthehole is seriously grasping at straws.
Mago is a great player as shown by his insane lower brackets comeback at Revelations. but Mike Ross beat him FAIR AND SQUARE and was the better player that day.
Is it so hard to accept that when 2 players are on the same level, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose?
I have complete respect for players who stick to one character and tries to master it. And Mike Ross is a perfect example of that.
Plus the guy is SUPER HUMBLE. I was randomly trolling on stream chat and said Mike Ross was free to XSK Samurai a Ryu player who beat him. Then Thatmikerossguy came in and said Yes hentailogic, XSK Samurai is the best. And people find the need to bash that guy???
He also beat Gamerbee and Marn at CEO. Ross has good Yomi and after finally listening to Gootecks who told him to play more patiently Ross is a threat to anyone he plays.
Mike vs Ross-Mago: well I think comparing those two is ridiculous.
Did Mike Ross win any big tournament? will he ever?
Unless he does, he is just that guy who beat Mago...so what? It's not like he won ShadowlooShowdown. He placed 9th, that's good...
Mago has proved to be one of the best players in the world. Mike Ross does ok/good, but not great!
@SAMURAI
Cut it out, you are underrating Mago. He has seen plenty of tournament experience. He did not get bodied and that fight with Mike Ross was very close. Mike Ross played very good and beat him fair but he did not by all means "body him". I wish you stop with that unnecessary hate of a talented SSF4 player.
He uses top tier characters, so what? In a tournament scene you want to win and get some money, it's only natural to use the stronger characters. Now cool down a bit will you? I'm no "d*ck rider" as you like to throw around for some reason. I like Uryo, Haitani, and Gamerbee the most but I HATE when people like you bash a guy who obviously is solid at the game.
Gootecks and Mike Ross are now coL.cc. Awesome. I hope we get to see some mad stuff and maybe some Anti-DP technology.