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what kind of a name is LeviStrauss1829
and yeah, Amiyu's Gen is the best in the world no question. also he makes it apparent that, despite Gen's weaknesses, with both meters full he can rip out ~700 damage easily.
I believe Daigo lost to the Gen because he could not safely get in. Gens's jump in pressure kept Daigo from using the rush punch or shoulder rush, and at 1:04 it blew up the DP.
I believe the key to beating Daigo or a good Yun is to be more aggressive than him. In the Ken match Daigo dizzies Strauss in round 1 because he was committed to blocking, allowing mixups (quick dive kicks or command throws). In the second round however Strauss was aggressive and never gave Daigo breathing room forcing him to guess, which lost him the round. You see the same thing in the third round, Strauss puts on constant safe pressure which forces Daigo to guess. Anytime they spaced out Strauss always jumped into Daigo, he never allowed Daigo come to him.
That's why Filipino Champ got blowed up by Daigo's Yun, Dhalsim has no real ability to be agressive.
And here again starts the "only losses" Daigo videos when playing online. Thing is only he will keep winning at tourneys and there won't be as many losses now that he's maining a godlike Yun.
Btw, why is Daigo still using his friends' account and didn't he said at his friend's house too. Weird.
I agree a million percent with Sector. It's very simple if you think about if people think Yun is OP because his pressure game is constant and in your face style, but if you don't give him a chance to get close and you stay on the offence you'll leave Yun in a vulnerable position and he does have low health. People just need to stop crying and try something different instead of the same things ending up with the same results.
@11 that's why its weird. Surely he can afford it by now, lol. Unless he likes to troll with his friend which makes sense as to why he loses more. lol again:)
Yun didnt respect his elders, thus leading to Gen putting the smack down on him. Gen player thats not flying around the screen all day or strictly doing hand combos O_o. Look like him constantly using the stances different jumps confused daigo's timing judging by the inputs LOL.
And that sim vs ryu match looked depressing, daigo goes from busting his ass to secure a win to walking all over him with a simple character change.
Looks like daigo need to find a way to circumvent not being able to fadc a DP. Hes a bit trigger happy when hes outta options.
Yun is not overpowered Daigo with Yun is over powered I heard that there are some set ups he has that require stupid decisions to get out of.
i will not say amiyu's gen is overpowered but its that amiyu is the creature of 70 percent of today gen philosophy,its like kouji kog T hawk,mastering every single aspect of their characters ,and that obviouslly pays.
Oh man that match with Amiyu was amazing, gonna have to take some notes to hopefully improve my game.
@23 playerJun is going to be at the ShadalooShowdown tourney this weekend. Catch him on the stream.
@ElectricBlanka
the reason we see videos of daigo losing is because he doesnt like to upload his wins. if you find him on the player points leaderboard it shows that he still hasn't uploaded squat. this is why the only uploads are of people beating daigo
yun is definitely the best character in the game. has ridiculous pressure easy combos, and safe moves. if your not winning with him you either dont understand how to pressure with him, you lack execution, or your opponent is just that much better than you. his ex lung is safe on block, come on now.
Oh my god haha, Daigo with Yun against Dhalsim was just disgusting...
@27 it seems like nobody seems to understand that LoL...Daigo loses some matches and already people begin to see the light of having a chance at beating yun LoL...#7 gave a whole theory on as to why he lost. Clearly everyone can see what it took for the gen and ken player to win, but in the end, it's one "ONLINE" game...daigo will lose some matches, it happens! It's not like he's untouchable...BUT when it comes to tournaments & a large amount of money is involved, he will then become a problem for that gen and ken player period! That sit back and analyzing daigo sh!t during a match wont work cuz i'm sure as you're trying to analyze his game, he's already downloaded you, examined you, took your money and went the hell on his way...YUN is in fact beatable people, just like any other character in the game, but it's the player behind the character that decides whether or not he wants to lose, never forget that!
To beat Yun you need to:
- Look past tier lists
- Be more aggressive
I play Yun and that's his weakness. Dudley can outright srand even with him in close range. You NEED skill to use Yun and play patient rushdown. God tier doesn't mean anything if you suck.
I've seen that Filipino vs Daigo match at NCR. To be honest I don't think that Filipino Champ or any other Dhalsim player will ever be able to beat Daigo's Yun. And you can hate him or love him, but the fact is that Filipino Champ plays his Dhalsim at his full potential and he was the first to take a round against Daigo's Yun. It's really 9-1 or atleast 8-2. That's just NOT fair, there shouldn't be matchups like that in the game.
@34 are you kidding me??? i'm sure you've played dozens of sim's before in the past, now you tell me how long does it take you personally to get in on a really good sim player? Do you not realize how annoying it is to deal with that full screen turtle/keep away strategy? granted thats sim's game, but good F-ing GOD how more annoying can it be!!...that 9-1 or 8-2 matchup is the answer to my prayers...finally!
Actually the account gameinn is shared by Kazunoko(ex-owner of arcade center Gameinn in Japan) and Daigo. Coincidentally, Kazunoko and Daigo are the best arcade Yun players of the moment. They are both beasts. Whether it is Daigo or Kazunoko playing, their skill level is about the same. I'm quoting Hav in http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/ma... "For those that don't know, Inoue (Kazunoko) owns Game Inn Sakura arcade, and he was "Daigo's friend" everybody thought was on the XBL account gameinn. He likely was on that account, along with Daigo."
The twinss are definitely low-life glass cannons.
If you have your combos down, all it takes is a couple of good reads (or guesses) and you can easily have a dead yun.
I'd say that's pretty much how Mike Ross took out Justin and Marn during his "trail of bodies" at CEO.
Yep... any matches that get posted on youtube with gameinn will probably show Daigo losing with Yun. The reason is because he doesn't upload any win victories at all. If you check his Player Point Ranking, you'll see he's got nothing next to it. So unless he gets put on a stream for online play, that's about as much as you'll get to see :(.
@ #36
I played many Sim's and I got beat allot, and it's very frustrating. But when you get in, Dhalsim doesn't have many options to get you off of him. But be honest, it takes skill to be a good Dhalsim. And Filipino Champ is one of the best Dhalsim players on the planet. I don't really like him, but it's sad to see that a great player like him can't do anything against Daigo's Yun. Player's skill is important, but in this case it's the matchup that is decisive.
It's not even a little bit exciting to watch Dhalsim - Yun. The Dhalsim - Ryu match was way better.
Can we put the Yun is overpowered BS stuff to rest now? He is definitely beatable.
He's a strong character but not overpowered. If Street Fighter 4 was your first fighting game then you don't know the meaning of overpowered.
Take a player who plays Yun at his full potential and put him against an other player who plays his main at his full potential. Mago's Fei, Filipino Champ's Dhalsim, Wolfkrone's Viper and see who takes it. Everyone of these players get's everything out of their character and none of them got a chance against Daigo's Yun. That makes a character overpowered. And yes, I know, it's Daigo he's the best. But the fights he fought weren't even close and you can't say that players like Mago & Wolfkrone ain't skilled.
I just hope that Poongko, Tokido or maybe Mike Ross got an answer for Daigo's Yun.
Daigo himself said that Yun is the strongest character in the game. Just give me 1 good reason why Yun should be the strongest, who is he? He's a nobody, but he's stronger than every boss character.
This is just like any other fighting game. There's a clear S tier in Arcade Edition, and that is Yun, Yang, Fei and Makoto. Across the whole of the cast, that means they have highest number of matchups in their favour. Of course it doesn't mean they're unbeatable. It just means if you choose a character who does badly in that particular matchup, then expect to lose more frequently than win (assuming your opponent is of the same or greater skill as you).
Wolfkrone vs Daigo (at Revelations) was very close.
That's just the way a match goes when you put two low-HP offensive rushdown characters against each other. 900 life, lots of ways to get in, and 350-400+ damage of each combo = just two good reads and someone's dead.
@ #58
Mike Ross can surprise everyone. His Honda is very solid, probably the best Honda there is. At CEO he did very good against the twins, it's wasn't against Daigo but still. I think he might have a good chance if he's patient and keeps his head cool.
SAMURAI. All you do is whine about Yun being overpowered. If everyone took your attitude we should all just quit. I dont know why you even bother playing.
Nothing should be taken away from Ross. On that day he would of beaten Daigo, probably not Mago though.
Yun's beatable, Daigo's beatable. Hit training mode, its what its there for.
p.s. MetalxHealthx, where are you? I hope you watched the 1st vid :P
Daigo is a human being like us. He can lose too.. Give him some break. GOSH!!!
Daigo probably just doesn't know WTF to do against Gen.
He probably fights 1 gen every 300 or so matches...which truly isn't enough time to get things figured out, especially when each player has unique quirks.
@#64
He's considered (arguably) one of the best players in the world so of course knows what to do vs Gen. #
He got outplayed and at the time, the better player won.
Sorry but to say daigo doesn't know SIM is retarded, SIM has been around for 3 years where yun has only been around a few months. Facts are facts you could be the best player in the world but character match up will ultimately decide out comes. If daigo is the hands down best player he'd beast with any character. Show me a bottom tier character behind the hands of any of these guys beating top tier characters. Won't ever happen and that's why a guy playing SIM doesn't have a chance in hell against characters like the twins, Makoto or guy for example.
@#66
Even being one of the best players in the world has its limits when there isn't a large amount of experience to work with.
I mean think about it - how many Gens do you see fighting at high level in the US? Exactly. I doubt Japan is so different...
@#Nobody in particular:
As for the Sim match, Ryu sucks against Sim. Hard. Hence why Daigo has only lost to that character in the past (Ryu-era). Same goes for the Yun vs Sim matchup - Sim doesn't stand a chance.
I hate to be the ****rider, but come on. At least think a little about the situations instead of the "result is everything" mindset.
@#57 JIHADJOE
Were we watching the same Revelations? Wolfkrone Vs Daigo was not close after Wolfkrone won the 1st fight. In fights 2 out of 3 and 3 out of 3, Wolfkrone got Dizzied/Stunned in every round (of which there were 2) and did not win any round/proceeded to Lose both rounds to Daigo within that particular match. Thus Daigo won 2-1 against him...
Not a "Daigo D*** Rider" by any means, just stating what I remember from the tournament.
Yeah ok, because daigo has no idea what Gens moves are right? And he doesn't have the ability to hit the lab on CPU hardest setting either. In this particular game math ups are a deciding factor where say 3rd strike gave everyone the ability to defend pressure equally. The whole 4 series is about match ups period. I've been playing over 20 years won a 3rd strike tournament back in 07 I've got thousands of hours online, I'm a fair minded fan and love all things street fighter but that doesn't mean I just accept one opinion as fact. I've typically used lower tier characters just to prove my feeling about tier/skill levels. If I use a character with poor reversal options, poor speed, dashes and bad or non existent ultra set ups I'll lose against equally skilled opponents using higher tier characters.
If I need to fix my car and all I have is tools for fixing plumbing I'm outta luck. I'm begging someone to prove me wrong, in 3rd strike one of the lowest tier characters like Hugo has the same chances of winning against a Chun simply due to the parry system. Show me one example of a bottom tier character beating a top tier in the 4 series and I'll shut up.
"Daigo himself said that Yun is the strongest character in the game. Just give me 1 good reason why Yun should be the strongest, who is he? He's a nobody, but he's stronger than every boss character. "
Daigo said Fei Long was the strongest and so did Tokido and Mago. BTW Fei Long has the advantage vs Yun and Daigo still beat Mago's Fei pretty convincingly in that scenario the credit goes to Daigo not Yun.
@#71
Sure Daigo has the OPTION to do that, but there are two things that appear to be the case:
1. He doesn't take that option and I can think of two reasons why (one - apparently his wife hates him playing at home, and two - he spends most of his play-time at the arcade). This is somewhat similar to how he didn't know WTF Fei Long was capable of in that major tourny that Daigo attended for Vanilla back in the day (he's an arcade player and therefore never really saw Fei Long).
2. Doing training-mode stuff like that doesn't tell you nearly enough when you go against a top practicioner of the character in question.
@#71 danny2times
Wildcat815 (Hakan) Vs Gameinn (Daigo) (Ryu)- Hakan player wins.
Gamerbee (Adon) Vs Justin Wong (Rufus)- at last years Evo, which was hype as everyone recalls Justin Wong saying Adon is the worst new character added to the SFIV cast when it went form SFIV to SSFIV.
And if you watch The Excellent Adventures Of Gootecks & Mike Ross, 2 people they fought online called "Throwryuken" & "HwNd" used various characters to beat Flash Metroid, Gootecks & Mike Ross. HwNd bodied them with Dan FTW.
Lastly Ryu is Mid-Tier so Daigo winning various tournaments etc with him in SFIV & SSFIV...does/do his victories count? Or are you literally talking about Low Tier Vs Top Tier? (Never played 3rd Strike so I can't comment.)
@67 Player decisions and skills will ultimately decide outcomes. Match ups are a factor and some are worse than others but picking a certain character will not guarantee you anything.
Daigo probably would have won the set using Ryu outside of a dropped ultra after FADC and that is a match up Ryu has no business winning. You saw the amazing reads/guesses and full screen c.mp into super he needed to do to keep it close. That is player skill closing the gap on a bad matchup. Against an average Dhalsim Daigo would win. Against a YHC-Mochi or F.Champ its an uphill battle. In the end everyone will always have a bad matchup. Its good to have a secondary to handle those situations if you feel your opponent is too skilled for you to overcome the bad matchup.
To say that you have never seen a low tier character at the hands of the current top players is saying these players aren't good and its just their character selection. You see them become top players in other games like MVC3. Its the same execution, reaction and mind game skill set being carried over to a different games.
@#79
Haha, yeah. If that was how things worked - Gief would be broken tier since nobody would be able to resist focus-absorbing lariats and other such nonsense.
@ WinstonChurchill #66
"He's considered (arguably) one of the best players in the world"
I'd like to hear your argument against Daigo not being one of the best if not the best in the world. How many EVOs does this dude have to win to get some respect? Pretty sure he holds the record for most EVO wins possiby Jwong has more but he's only won in MVC2. Daigo's won EVO in multiple games that were the main event over the past decade.
yun's Daigo is OP loool but honestly crossing dhalisms's ultra with a combo in the end was BALLSY OUTSTANDING
Flibino champ played gr8 as well tbh
What do toughie think daigo and tokido and the others will play on SF3 OE when it comes out? I wish we could see the Ken moment one more time :D
PEACE
I used the word 'arguably' because everyone has a difference of opinion as to who they think is 'the best in the world'. So rather than state facts that people might disagree with, I was being subjective.
So before you jump down my throat, the point was about Daigo vs Gen and not to whether he is the world champion of street fighter.
Seriously...............
Ok let me clarify my self, if I'm getting paid money to play video games id better do my homework To say fighting CPU on hardest won't teach you anything is nonsense. Sure individual style won't be learned but you'll learn what options a character has in any match up.
I'm always asking myself why other serious players never comment on these threads and most of you prove the point.
I'm all for a good debate but keep the facts straight, vanilla ryu was a beast, needed slightly in super and now is a honest mid tier in ae.
Daigo is the all around best for many reasons and certainly not because of yun.
I'm all set here guys enjoy mindless nonsensesical rants from the event-scrubs on here. Gamertag is on here, psn.
@84 Its cause serious players don't learn match ups playing CPU lol. Seriously though the AI in SF4 is pretty terrible. Its the game reacting instantly to your inputs and eating level 3 focus attacks. There are so many setups, pokes, reversals, combos that the CPU will never do and so many varying styles of play. Other than some very basic stuff that you should know already you won't learn anything.
I'm not making any excuses for Daigo cause I am sure he has played good Gen's before but playing the CPU would be a terrible way to prepare for a match up going into a tournament. Its bad even for average joe play not to mention higher level play you would expect in tournaments.
DLC costume for ssf4 AE
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You don't play the CPU with the intention of beating it. You play it to see what it can do to punish your moves. You also use it to practice combos on a moving target. Plenty of Training Mode warriors lose their mud when they get into a real match because they're used to beating on something that doesn't move or fight back. The CPU can condition you for a that if you utilize it correctly.
@87
Thanks for that, these costumes look beastly! Yun and Yang look so cooler, I didn't want to use Yun or Yang because of how they look before, but with the new alts I just might :P. And Oni looks awesome in his robe alt. Like an actual God.
GUYS!
Wolfkrone's GOT this!
Before Revelations, he said he had 0 Yun experience, and both times he faced Daigo it was close.
The man lives in the midwest and even said himself that all he does is training mode. He has beaten many top players with little matchup experience. He will put Yun on the "record" button in training and have mad answers at EVO!
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!
"Even Michael Jordan lost basketball games guys"
Very good point. All these comments from Daigo haters masterbating at every lose Daigo receives does bring back memories from the 1996 and 1997 NBA Finals where Michael Jordan was receiving SOO MUCH un-warranted hatred. Yes MJ received TONS of hate, a lot of which was motivated by racism.
The media didn't report any of the uncalled hate that Michael Jordan was receiving just like how iplaywinner, levelup, teamsp00ky, etc... are not talking about the Daigo haters at all. These stream monsters will talk about American players who are curteous enough to respect Daigo, but they make zero mention of people who organism at every lose Daigo gets.
What is everyone fighting about? Daigo wins because he's Daigo. A Top player with massive dedication.
Of course EVERYTHING factors into a win/loss. So your all correct on some level. The X Factor is how much do they factor.
Player Skill> Match up> Tier List.
And my thoughts on training mode? It's a great tool for three things.
1) Learning how to punish BASIC CPU moves.
2) Practice your combos on a moving/fighting target.
3) Using the Record mode. You can simulate various opponent combos with this feature.(I use record to practice anti airs)
Training mode will NOT teach you how to fight against advanced tactics. But it's a useful tool that should be used.
@SAMURAI
It's pretty clear by now that your a "Glass is Half Empty" kinda guy. No matter how many High Tier Characters lose to Lower tiers you'll never recognize that player skill trumps all.
Wildcat isn't "just one" Hakan win. V-Ryu isn't "just one" Makoto win. These are mearly two examples of ppl that apply SKILL to the characters the love.
Will you also despute that J.Wong and Marn are two of the best players in the United States? Will you despute that they've played AE for the last 9 months? Or that they too are Sponsored players that NEED to win tournaments?
Will you despute that they both got beaten at CEO by Nerfed characters that already existed in SUPER?
Listen my friend. Daigo is going to be dominant. He picks his character smart. He plays smart.
Samurai, you don't get a free win by simply picking a High Tier character. If that was true I'm sure we'd see you winning some tournament. Any tournament, anywhere, ever....
Time to give credit were credit is due.
SSF4 AE character breakdown...
Ken, Guy, Cody, Dudley = link happy customers
E Honda, Balrog = "Take a knee" specialists
Seth, Dhalsim = Ninja "Turtlers"
Blanka, Vega = Chip damage
Ryu = No "real" change (unless you're a professional player)
Oni = soon to be downloaded...
Evil Ryu = Basically Ryu downgraded with nicer looking moves
Gen = Broken
Yun = Too teef (linking and safe options)
Yang = Cheap (everything links/can be canceled into Ultra)
Ibuki = Godlike (in the right hands)
Viper = Ridiculous "comeback" potential (in the right hands)
El Forte = Circumcised
Able = Demoted
Dan = on vacation
Adon, T Hawk, Gouken = Just got a raise
Guile = laid off
Dee Jay = Promoted
Zangief = In between jobs....too early. Not sure of status
Fei Long, Rufus, Sakura, Vega, Chun li, Juri = honestly nothing new that makes any difference in win/loses ratio
Bison = Just as annoying...less an Ultra 2
Hakan = Promoted but relocated so you don't even notice
Makoto = the Monica Lewinski of Street Fighter! Stole Cammy's Position and the fame that came with it.
Rose = Retired
Cammy = Bitter
Overall = AE got issues on the balancing. That is if that actually cared to balance it in the first place. It was an ok attempt tho on some characters and a brain fart with others....
Daigo = Tired of losing with Ryu
F. Champ = on blast
@ #94
Will you also despute that J.Wong and Marn are two of the best players in the United States?
No!
Will you despute that they've played AE for the last 9 months?
Yes!
Justin himself said that he doesn't play the game serious until the console version is released. He wasn't been playing the game 24/7 in the arcades like Daigo.
The arcade scene in America isn't the same like in Japan. There aren't much high level opponents like in Japan. He doesn't have the AE experience like Daigo, not even close. But I'm sure that Justin will step up his game and improve.
So from all that I get "arcade playtime". He's in Cali, he has full access dude.
Again, he's a sponsored player. That's not for his good looks! Trust me, he's been playing AE for 9 MONTHS!
You can check his various replays on YouTube. But that really wasn't the point was it?
The point was:
Skill > Tier List,
but..... You hate the game anyway. From the engine, to the graphi's, to the players and the characters they choose.
You take any valid point and try to bend it to fit your negative image of everything.
There is no hope for you, there is also no point in replying to your BS antics and narrow minded views.
Dude are you serious? You say that Justin is playing AE in Arcade every day for the past 9 months while Justin himself said that he doesn't. Of course he played the game, but NOT like Daigo and NOT against good competition like in Japan.
And don't say things I never said. I love the game probably more than you do.
lol whatever, FChamp SQUEEZES out the set victory in a 6-4 matchup of sim vs. ryu. Then he gets to be in his own stacked match and gets pulverized.
Training mode against the CPU on hard will teach you almost nothing about how the play the matchup against a human player. The CPU has no reaction time, so it could theoretically counter hit your every poke, reversal your every jump in, etc. with perfect timing. It does things that no human could do. And humans do LOTS that the CPU won't ever do (baiting out reversals, advanced spacing tactics, relentless rushdown or turtling, etc etc - the list goes on). CPU vs human opponents are totally different things which require completely different play styles.
That Gen is so BOSS