NorCal Regionals #9 took place this weekend in Milpitas, California and the live stream was hosted by the IPlayWinner crew.
#2 America just got owned in MvC3.
Also why do NorCal tournaments always have crap commentators?
Can't wait to see Daigo on MvC3!
What?? They said that Street Fighter x Tekken supposed to be playable at NorCal Regionals. What's going on?
Love the iplaywinner stream so disrespectful and hilarious. Anyone remember that one time a scrub Makoto player was up against Justin Wong and they were sarcastically hyping him up as the top Makoto player in US as he was getting completely destroyed. I wish someone had recorded that match.
After many protests on the stream, I finally see that they are now providing us with the brackets. You're welcome guys.
Now only if Catalyst would also hear my plea and install a poll-type feature so we can vote on many topics --especially about this hot topic on rebalancing.
God, why are iPlayWinner streams SO BAD? The commentary is just terrible...
LOL @ DAIGO TROLLIN
daigo: america is really the land of free.
mago and tokido: laughing
@20/@23 - Daigo hasn't even played any good MvC3 players in his pool yet. The best player he has played, at the time of this post, is Lamerboi (who I've never heard anyone say "Lamerboi", "Good", and "Marvel Vs Capcom 3" all in the same sentence).
God I hate fanboys.
Hey Catalyst, I thought that Street Fighter X Tekken is playable at this event.
@30 - True. It's bound to happen, anti-fanboys are just as annoying =\. Outside of money, it's all meaningless (more so than it already is normally). Everyone, Japanese and Americans alike, are saving their shiz for EVO.
Not surprised lamerboi tried to troll. Isn't he the guy who was one of the first to play against Daigo and then ragequit when he lost in the official "Play Daigo Online" gig that Capcom (or maybe Madcatz?) set up?
@ gamefreak20
I'm just kidding. But I don't really like him, he ragequitted in a online match against Daigo. So many players wanted to play Daigo that day and he gets the chance and he ragequitted. He wasted everyone's time.
And I thought he had some beef with GeoM MoDInside about some online match from the PJS stream that Geom uploaded. But I'm not sure about that, so I could be wrong.
@35
Oh, I thought you're rude for all of a sudden,
Anyway, I saw that part of the tournament where X-Ray owns Noel Brown so badly and I thought he would get upset like on Break 101. Isn't that fun or what?
Daigo could make top 8 if he works on his defense a little
I respect Daigo not playing Phoenix. A much classier top tier team in Wolverina, Dante, Akuma.
Calling Justin Wong "this yang" do the commentators think they're funny or what? The crowd's shaking their head because the commentators suck.
Great run daigo, but Sometimes common logic doesn't apply to this game once you got x factor its over or the other way around. Lesson learned...
@53
I think top 8 for Daigo first time ever playing MvC3 competitively is pretty good. No way he's going to win any tournament in this game this year, but not bad. If he places top 8 at EVO that would be very impressive, as he's not at the level of the best US players yet. Not saying he won't get there eventually, but not in 2011.
Wong's Yang & Rufus just lost to an Evil Ryu. I wonder if the whiners will do their rally cries for Evil Ryu to be nerf'd?
Wow, the drooling ignoramuses like #57 just never stop.
Yuns overpowered status has been cemented by 7+ months of expert play in Japan, the developers admitted they made him OP, and Yun dominates the arcade rankings and tourneys in terms of usage. Your tourneys here with inexperienced players mean 0, zero, nothing. Stop posting.
Drooler #57 and 59 is such a failure that he can't tell the diffrence between "Evil Ryu" and "Yun".
On the side of Yun being OP:
1. 7+ months of expert play in Japan
2. the developers admitted they made him OP
3. Yun dominates the arcade rankings and tourneys in terms of usage
4. NA tourneys 1 week after AEs release is meaningless
On the side of clueless, ignorant droolers like #57:
1. DURR LET'S USE 1 WEEK OF AE BEING OUT IN NA AS CONCRETE PROOF OF TIERS!
2. DURR YOU'RE JUST WHINERS LOL!!1
Stop posting and end yourself.
What are you even talking about? I swear I never mentioned Yun. Clearly you've got defensive/paranoid and missed my point completely / didnt see the match. Calm down, chill out, be happy.
He used evil ryu vs wongs yang, then used evil ryu again when wong switched to rufus :)
No worries. It was deffo a match worth watching again. I wont spoil it hehe
Free stream is free. But...
IPlayWinner streams have always been sub-par in my opinion. Usually 240p resolution at best and intermittent breakdowns.
Sp00ky and LevelUp (minus that EVO 2010 mishap) always provide high quality, highly dependable streams. In a perfect world, I would hope that they could both stream EVO 2011 and get maximum game coverage.
I was a Yun defender till before NCR.
Yun is way to damn overpowered. everything he does is pretty much safe and not too mention fast as hell.
Ex rush punch is safe.
rush punch is safe from a distance.
shoulder is safe.
ex up kicks goes really far which makes it hard to punish.
There is something to say about a week 1 character dominating as much as Yun is. We never saw an Ibuki, Adon, DJ, etc dominate a tourney 1 week after SSF4 was released.
It was really sad seeing these week 1 yuns absolutely destroy valle's ryu, champ's sim, vangief, etc.
#80, dude marn's yun beat valle, but he is not week 1 yun. he has been playing yun for a long time.(there are vids on youtube to prove it) Same with Daigo and Hsien Chang.
Fchamp's Match against Julio. MAd salty incased anyone missed it
Three Yuns are in the winners!!! Damn *SMH* ... Maybe I will have to use Yun, too.
Who are in the SSF4: AE losers? And I need to know all who are in MvC3 top 8, too.
@81
Yea, I caught that whole "1 week Yun" comment as well. Marn beat Alex Valle and Marn has been playing Yun for around 7 months, he's been playing Yun before the year 2011.
Julio beat F.Champ and he also has been playing Yun for over 7 months. Hsien Chang beat Vangief and Hsien has also been playing with Yun since before the year 2011.
Not to mention that both Julio and Hsien have been maining with Yun since 3rd Strike so their knowledge of the character from previous SF games have carried over.
I was sure Vega and El Fuerte would be in the winners bracket with all of the buffs Capcom gave them. oh well
"Far as I'm concerned, playing Yun is an almost surefire way of losing to Daigo. Do any of these guys really think they know the character better than he does? How often did you see Daigo lose to another Ryu back in SF4 and Super?"
Don't be so sure about that Ryu vs Ryu took perfect spacing and zoning to win. Yun vs Yun is whoever guesses right. Its stupid and doesn't take a lot of skill to get some lucky wins.
they can beat daigo. the chance is just not very high, but anything can happnen. Daigo does playing alot of the 2nd highest BP yun in Japan alot.
I am starting to believe that the wrong people are heading to EVO, since several posters here keep claiming that certain characters don't take skill to play. I guess I must have missed all of your godlike videos on youtube, where you guys dominate everyone with one of the twins, with one hand tied behind your back. Well, I guess we will be seeing you (bananainsaneface or sethkillianfanboy for example) tearing it up at EVO.
Somehow I seriously doubt it...
at 89 He actually uses Akuma but he switched to Ryu because of Rufus and he beat Ricky.
All I said was that Ryu vs Ryu takes more skill than Yun vs Yun.
LOL clueless droolers making ad homenim attacks instead of addressing any valid points. Here it is again for you children, just to make you scream in horror and shield your eyes from the truth. I'm sure it won't stop you from continuing to behave like ignorant children with no grasp of logic, balance, or game design.
1. 7+ months of expert play in Japan has shown that Yun is clearly OP against almost every other character
2. the developers admitted they made him OP
3. Yun dominates the arcade rankings and tourneys in terms of usage
4. NA tourneys 1 week after AEs release is meaningless
5. Ryan Hart has personally witnessed Daigo go on unlucky losing streaks in Yun vs Yun matchups in Japanese arcades - it really is low skill mixup/rushdown nonsense where skill factors little into the equation.
After a few weeks of AE being in NA this will no longer be a debatable point, and all the drooling infants covering their eyes and ears will vanish until the next time they can run around insulting people who are more knowledgeable than them.
The bottom line is Capcom shot itself in the foot by deliberately imbalancing their game. They lowered the variety of tournament viable characters, made top level matches mostly about nearly unstoppable mixup pressure and guessing (yun vs yun), and pissed off a lot of veteran players whose characters are no longer competitive.
SF3 is similarly imbalanced, but it has more depth and a higher skill cap, making top level matches more entertaining than 'who gets the first dive kick'.
Posted by Phynx on June 19, 2011 at 1:22 a.m. #89
Winners Bracket
- (Yun)
- (Ryu)
- (Yun)
- (Yun)
k sure but in losers is
- (Ryu)
- (Zangief)
- (Rufus)
- (C. Viper)
so whats your point? and look at the players behind the charactor...
- Hsien Chang (Yun) was second last week.
- Infiltration (Ryu) normally top 16 top 8
- MCZ|Daigo Umehara (Yun) normally top 2
- Marn (Yun) normally top 16 top 8
- John Choi (Ryu) one of the best sf players in N/A
- Vangief (Zangief) normally finishes top 8 top 4
- EG|Ricky Ortiz (Rufus) normally finishes top 4 top 2
- WolfKrone (C. Viper) normally finishes top 8 top 4
@93
When Ryan talked about Daigo on a losing streak, it was to Kazunoko who is the 2nd best Yun in japan. Skill factors little? ... what a joke.
You keep referencing Japanese play, yet in Japan many characters are successful in tournaments. Ive watched a lot of the footage and I've seen Daigo lose to many different characters.
You accuse people of being illogical when you say Yun has "unstoppable" pressure... are you even watching the matches? Yun has to work to win just like every other character, its just a little easier for him.
why wouldnt they do tekken finals at 10am and mk at 230pm, nobody cares about tekken.
>When Ryan talked about Daigo on a losing streak, it was to Kazunoko who is the 2nd best Yun in japan.
That's why it's a good example of why winning or losing top tier AE matches (featuring Yun or Yang) is more a matter of lucky mixup games and who lands the first hit rather than skill or strategy.
>in Japan many characters are successful in tournaments.
Wait for this years SBO, or look at recent NSB footage. It's going to be packed with Yun, Yang, and Fei Longs, much like 3S is always packed with Chun, Yun, and Makoto. The longer the game is played, the more top players that will gravitate to the top tier.
>You accuse people of being illogical when you say Yun has "unstoppable" pressure... are you even watching the matches?
The word is nearly unstoppable. That's because once Yun starts his mixup game against most of the cast in the game aside from Yang or Fei, they must make guesses that are not in their favor. If you guess wrong you just get bodied, Daigo included. Not to mention so much of his crap is safe, he builds meter like a demon, his supers are great, etc.
As for watching 'the matches', are you referring to the NA AE footage where Daigo is bodying almost everyone for free? It's meaningless, unless you like watching all the NA vets get pissed that their character is now a speed bump for Yun.
If the community had a lick of common sense they would mass revolt against AE and stick to Super. Capcoms 'imbalance in competitive games is good' philosophy belongs in a dumpster.
@98
You talk like you have common sense? If the community had a lick of common sense they would mass revolt against AE??? I ****ing facepalmed.
@#99
There's been some 'mass' facepalming everytime that kid posts hahaha
It's about time tournaments started releasing brackets online. And I kinda enjoy the commentating as a nice change from spooky or levelup. The NCR commentators provide much more back story on the locals and talk some sh*t, makes it interesting nonetheless.
"If the community had a lick of common sense they would mass revolt against AE and stick to Super. Capcoms 'imbalance in competitive games is good' philosophy belongs in a dumpster."
Well you can't speak for the ENTIRE community, but can certainly speak for almost any non-pro player, especially anyone here.pros will play it because it's new...even if it's terrible in comparison to the last one, look at 3rd strike.
@ sethkillianfanboy
Dude STFU already about Yun being Op...damn its getting old you complaining about it...who said this and who said that wow STFU kid. Sagat was OP in SFIV but Momochi in GodsGarden destroyed Mago's Sagat and perfect his ass in the 2nd match so just shut up and learn to deal with Yun. He may be OP but he's not beatable. I played against a bunch of Yun's online and only lost to 1 of of them I learn to adapt and was able to beat them Yun players but damn just STFU already.
@ sethkillianfanboy
BTW its all about the players skills kid the character is only maybe 30% involve in a match..if thats the case then why didn't a Yun player won CEO 2k11 last week? nope it was a Akuma player by the name Tokido (in case your little brain didn't know)so it goes to show you that a character nerfs/buffs/ OP can only go so far its the players "skills" that determines the outcome of a game. That's a free knowledge for you there.
>"The word is nearly unstoppable"
@98 Nearly unstoppable is two words.
@110
If you ask members of the SF community, especially 3S, generally people know Hsien or at least about him (there's an old video of him trying to demon Daigo in 3S from the early 2000s on youtube), and anybody from Austin Texas is going to know him well. But he doesn't travel often, and he doesn't normally play in tournaments either o.o So seeing him not camped at 'his' AE machine at ArcadeUFO and traveling to places is sorta strange for me.
3rd strike, daigo hsien Chang http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQGVjq...
SSFPost evo Daigo,Hsien http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlTF9d...
SSF4AE, tokido, Hsien in Texas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTDq25...
@116 yeah definitely, I wish some other good players were in the brakcet though so we could see more footage of daigo on stream. Even within norcal lamerboi isn't known for being good at mvc3 the fact he made it to losers finals in that pool leads me to believe the bracket was ass :{
@117, Marn was in the same bracket as Daigo, Floe and Lamerboi. He was pissed that organizers had changed the original bracket he was in to pit him in against Daigo. Well, Marn got eliminated prematurely.
Anyone know exactly what FChamp was saying when he was salty?
I don't care if Yun and Yang is/isn't broken/OP. To me as a fighting game fan, a character such as yun in every other match doesn't make an interesting tournament. Where is the variety of characters? I recall back when SF4 came out for the consoles there were many different characters that were represented. Then SSF4 came out and still more of the same variety at least to an extent but still not 2-3 characters.
This is why I didn't get AE. I know friends that still play and everyone seems to be jumping on the band wagon lately and choose Yun and Yang - especially Yun.
just because alot of Yun in one tournament it doesn't mean much. East Coast has no Yun in the final. do you watch team spook stream yesterday? do you watch CEO last week? I don't know people are complain when they said they don't care about AE anymore or quit
I can just see Juicebox practicing the dances at home in front of a mirror. foreveralone.jpg
@128
Daigo is clearly several leagues above Hsien in terms of Street Fighter ability and has had much more experience with Yun against top-flight competition. If Hsien wins, it shows how much of a crapshoot Yun vs. Yun is. Low skill ceiling and dominating character = game-breaking.
Did Mago compete in this tourney? I would think he would have since he was just at ReveLAtions with Daigo and they're team Madcatz and erm...ya...did he get knocked out by someone?
@76: Your point of Evil Ryu moving up Teir lists PROVES that tier lists are complete falsehoods. Cause they are always changing. Daigo was getting bodied by some Rufus yesterday before winning down at the wire, Ryu players [supposedly low tier now] was giving Yang/Yun's trouble. VEGA lawnchaired Justin wong's YANG an S tier character. Akuma's mopping Yang's up.
It's the player not the character is what this means.
#133 I think you are way overestimating Daigo, and underestimating Hsien. But if I get the logic:
If Hsien win, it is because Yun is overpowered and stupid. Hence Hsien can play like a retard, and win over someone experienced like Daigo, not because of skill but because Yun is for scrubs. All Hsien has to do is do [insert move] non stop and win.
If Daigo win, it is because he is godlike and nobody can beat him ever.
@hitstick Ginger hasn't been evaluated long enough to decide which tier this is also that was a usage list if you are trying to bring that up now if he came out at the same time as the twins it might have been a different story but for now he is still an surprise same as Oni.
Also mirrors don't prove much aside of which player knows the character better plus this match happened already in the last tourney and it's going to happen again only difference is Marn. Also wolfkrone can probably bear him but he needs to adapt instead of sticking with some random ish.
@135, Mago and Daigo went both back to Japan after REVELATIONS. Only Daigo came back for Norcal
I meant @120 hahahahahahahahaahaha
oh and 4 yuns in top 8 = borefest
why wasnt bbcs2 on :(
I get the feeling Justin Wong is trying to play too many different games. AE, MvC3, MK. It's really hard to keep your skills up when you have to distribute your training time to multiple things.
@147 Stop making excuses because you're biased. Justin has always played that many games. Maybe it's because everyone is leveling up and getting better instead of just a handful of good players. It's much harder to win now because more people are playing and there are more ways to study an opponent such as Justin. Take the World Series of Poker for example, you'll probably never see someone win it twice in a row ever again, compared to how many back to back winners there were in the past.
Just like 151 said, stop making excuses for J Wong. If he gets eliminated he gets eliminated because he was unable to perform at a level that would lead him to success. Sometimes you really need to give people credit. Aka to the guy who beat him. In my eyes Justin hasn't been the best player in US for a while now.
MvC3 would be soooo much better if they redesigned X-factor. Like, give 1 x-factor per char, last for 5 sec, regens life, negates chip damage, minor speed increase, no damage increase.
Just a quick question to the NCR people. I know that they trailer for NCR 9 was good, but what's the point of showing it while the tournaments going on?
Wasn't it supposed to be show days or weeks before NCR-9 took place so as to attract more viewers to your stream???
Seth Killian - "at the end of the day, its the player not the character"
hehe #167, I was just having a sly dig at 'sethkillianfanboy' :P
Daigo played Yun correctly when facing off against infiltration. He went in when he saw an opening and stayed back otherwise.
Hsien, Marn, and Julio were just non-stop rushdowns when they used yun. Too overly aggressive, not taking a breath and no taking a moment to think it through.
imo you can say "its the player not the character" all you want, but there are still elements in the game that make characters top tier. Try playing Gen vs Yun lol... and then take into account that Gen hand Yun have the same HP and stun, pretty gross imo.
Although I admit I don't have the same amount of experience vs the AE characters that the Japanese(and luckier American's have) its still true that most of Yun's specials are safe, add ontop of that target combos that can cancel into super and then ultra and even have super meter left after the ultra... oh yeah and a command grab with gross range, sounds like more tools then most characters have. I don't mean to say Yun is unbeatable, but there is no denying the amount of options that character has while remaining safe. more options = less risks, less risks = easier to win with then a character that has to take risks.
I see your point (even though I think Gen can deal with Yun). But then I reckon Daigo could of won this tourn with Ryu (not to say that he's won it now already :P)
Infiltration did good in grand finals, but he burned a couple of great chances with horrible reads. You can't afford mashing SRK's when Yun can EX Lunge into Ultra (+ followup) for 60 % health on Gouki.
Tokido would've put a better challenge, Infiltration hardly ever OS'd to punish Daigo's backdashes.
Rofl @ NorCal commercial, Filipino Whiner didn't even reach top 8 this time now that Sim has not pokes with godly damage.
No way in hell Daigo would have won with Ryu cuz he's a tier whore
yun won because of daigo. other yun players would not win this tournament. stop complaining about characters. either get better or quit the game.
this is just like people complaining about Ryu when daigo was winning tournaments with him. it's basically replace Ryu with Yun. Every 2d fighting games have top tiers. Don't like it don't play 2d fighters.
glad that boring seth killian is gone now the funny ass commentators are back
Seth is good commentator IMO. I like the professionalism for a change-up.
Justin Wong should pull a Daigo and go the TOP of the TOP tier in MvC3 and put Phoenix into his team. Just say FCK IT!
What's this? Phoenix wins again--? I'm shocked...!
But, in all seriousness, I respect Wong trying to be #1 without resorting to Phoenix, but at this point, it's just obvious that he has no other choice but to embrace her himself. As the game is now, there's just no way to consistently win without relying on the Phoenix player to make a mistake (either by lowering their defenses after getting snapped in or getting too anxious after Dark Phoenix comes out). Maybe if Capcom decides to revisit the balance it would be a worthy pursuit, but right now, he's just wasting time. The best at the game or not, he isn't better than Phoenix--because no one is.
Good stuff X-ray. A newcomer to the tourney scene (at least according to the announcers, I have no idea) sending Daigo home? Nice. When he got both of Daigo's characters in the last round, holy crap.
@206 - He was told to make it. Notice how it was on the official SRK youtube channel and Mr. Wizard posted it? It wasn't his idea.
You can't deny these commentators are hilarious. Much more hype than boring seth.
All Canadians do is club baby seals eh?
The MvC commentators are complete retards
I knew Daigo wouldn't win MvC3. He was dropping alot of combo. Being an ultimate master in AE doesn't automatically means being good in MvC3 yet people thought it was a big accomplishment to eliminated him.
No one thought Tokido would win Marvel last week.
Daigo could've increased his chances exponentially by going Tokido's route (using Phoenix). I suspect he'll certainly consider it for EVO after seeing what she's capable of in a tournament setting. It's kind of strange that Daigo got a first round bye in Marvel as well, despite never having participated in a tournament for it in public. He would've beat whoever it was anyway, but preferential seeding for someone that has never played the game in public is a bit odd.
Dark Phoenix is horrible...
lol@ J Wong eyeroll-of-doom though
@219 - He played MvC3 in a US tourney too. I forget which one. It's the one he got eliminated by PR Balrog in both MvC3 and SSF4.
Daigo dominated sf4 & ssf4 with Ryu, a middle tier character. Now that he plays the best, or one of the best characters, he's basically unstoppable.
Look at the Fchamp matches, and todays runback. Every match was even as hell and in most cases went to last round in last match in what is believed to be a 7-3 (ssf4) and 6-4 (Ae) matchup. But when Daigo had a 7-3 matchup Filipino Champ was completely free. I never saw such a slaughter top level in my life. Daigo defenitly still the best player in the World, by far.
Wong is taking his frustrations out on Phoenix at the Grand Finals!
@226 - Kinda silly to say that after what happened at CEO. We'll see at EVO.
"I like how Wong NEVER loses to a phoenix. Maybe people should start paying attention to what Wong does when faced with phoenixes."
Uh Tokido beat him with Phoenix just last week.
Okay. Those grand finals sets weren't even fun to watch.
I actually felt sorry for that kid. Justin would not let him out of the corner. It was like a schoolyard beating. I think Justin only lost, like, TWO WHOLE CHARACTERS across six games.
Just painful.
Beating him with Phoenix isn't the right word. I would say that Justin lost because Tokido kept killing his Logan off in the beginning with lvl 1 x factor. Tokido never used Phoenix in the second set, so Justin didn't lose to a Phoenix, he lost to Tokido.
If you guys dont think Iplaywinner has the best commentary YOU ARE LAME
@229 - Yes, that's true, but he lost to Tokido at CEO. Tokido hasn't been to that many MvC3 tournies (2?). If he wins MvC3 at EVO, no one will question that Justin is the best.
@222: Nonsense, nonsense. Daigo is amazing at Street Fighter 4, but Ryu was far from "mid tier". That's a myth conjured up by Daigo sympathizers to make him out to be a "stubborn champion" that refused to change characters in the face of great "adversity" (except... as soon as a character that gave him an easier route to win with came along, look what happened). Daigo is the best SF4 player, but Ryu was not "mid tier" in vanilla or Super.
Wong just completely brought the fear to that poor Phoenix player. Storm is probably the best fit for his team to take on Phoenix, but it again relies on the Phoenix player making mistakes. Even if you completely decimate them, they will get a ton of meter just from getting beaten up. Most of the time, it still took Wong three snap-ins (aka, three meters) to get Phoenix out--very few other players would ever be able to manage the win after that considering, even if Phoenix died, the opponent would still have two mains left most likely. Fortunately for Wong, he's just better with his characters than they are with their secondaries.
Daigo will win EVO with Yun. Anyone that thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. I imagine there will be four or so Yuns in the top 8 (minimum?) on top of that.
Justin didn't even really need Storm to beat Phoenix. Storm is pretty good against Phoenix. Hail Storm to catch Phoenix air fireballs, that weird DHC ground super to catch Phoenix traps, or just fly away if there's like 30 seconds left before Dark Phoenix. I wish we could have seen some Storm vs Phoenix.
@#232 the whole reason why justin had to reset was because of dark phoenix activations in winners finals when he dominated the rounds and still lost. in grand finals justin won FOUR STRAIGHT GAMES. he would have beat tokido 3-0 had it not been for dark phoenix in winners finals. tokido won because he's good but mostly because he used dark phoenix.
how can anyone argue ceo as grounds for tokido being better than justin. When you actually look at gameplay and not just the result justin outplayed tokido dropped simple combos that weekend against him but continuously opened tokido up, when tokido's win conversions in the grand finals was largely in part due to a grab into x factor combo.
Tokido is my favorite player in any game he touches, but come on people like justin and combofiend make marvel at a high level look like a worthwhile game
@ 179 good point, i did over use the "safeness" a bit. but i would point out that -2 is pretty much safe weither you have to space it or not. Also as I said I do have learning to do in that match-up, especially when it comes to different versions of his specials.
also @ Winston - I agree! I wish he'd bust out Ryu and take a whole tourney just to prove he can, I was sad he didnt take the stance of "screw "top tier" I picked Ryu for a reason" but I'm sure he plays all the characters anyway so oh well.
And yes Gen can win, but I'd bet 7-3 match up(if not worse D:), anyway it was more of the point of comparing their options to each other given the fact they have the same HP and stun. But w/e I just hope Capcom at least patches the Yang glitches tbh.
I don't understand how can people feel great since Daigo got bodied in MvC3, it's not SSFIV AE.
I don't see you doing better InitialR. Only people that "bodied" him had the right to say it.
@InitialR - You do realize that everyone in the tournament, except the winner, loses twice right? Does that mean everyone except Wong got bodied?
Also, I'm fairly certain building hype for a tournament is a good thing. Whether he won the whole thing or went out in his first two matches, he got people talking, which is good for the community.
Last, that "no name" who eliminated him finished higher than "name" Filipino Champ, so I'm not so sure "name" status is really relevant.
@251 Just so you know that video was meant for EVO, though I still don't think Daigo will come close to winning MVC3, he's still saving his real team with Phoenix for then. I can already see the character cast shrinking in MVC, they really need to make some changes to some of the characters. How X-23 has less health and less damage output and her gameplay seems slower than Wolverine seems really unbalanced to me now. Wolverine, Phoenix need the biggest nerf as Wolverine makes almost all large characters unplayable against him. She-Hulk, Dante, Magneto, Taskmaster and Spencer all need some small nerfs (Maybe Ammy and Zero too). Tron and Akuma assist definitely need some changes made.
@257 I'm just trolling a bit for all of the Diego D*ck riders, but he might not have gotten bodied, but still, that "saving my real team for EVO" is just his scapegoat until he actually loses in EVO. And honestly I still would expect him to do better then that. Yeah it might be Top 7, but he just BARELY made it.
@258 Nerf the entire cast, that will solve everything right?
i like daigo but i have to believe that he wouldn't have come close to top 8 in mvc3 if not for his unearned #2 seed gifting him lamerboi twice.
@258 You forgot Wesker. That still seems like a pretty good mix but, I can see some characters being completely replaced in the near future. I can see less people starting to use Ammy, Zero, Taskmaster, Spencer and maybe Dante in the near future. Although Combofiend has an amazing Spencer I don't see many other people starting to pick him up. But that's how it is with every game, variety of characters slowly shrink overtime as people figure out new in game technology.
yeah if only dacidbro falcomist chrisis or marn got to play him we would have gotten to see more daigo on stream :( his brakcet trip to top 8 was really light :(
who cares though really weather or not usa beats japan or japan beats usa, daigo is showing the world that mvc3 rewards execution and skill his will hopefully recharge the scene in japan and stir more team development this game is ridiculously fun to watch when it isn't culminated to wolverine phoenix so if the world as a whole starts to really take up this game and hone some underused characters we as spectators win
We all knows real winner is Infiltration not daigo.
@262
Incorrect. Unlike the past, the amount of variety at tournaments is through the roof, and it'll continue to be that way for a long time. There is no reason that anyone would all of a sudden drop really good characters like Taskmaster, Dante, Zero, and certainly not Ammy, let's not be dumb here. There's not that many people that play Spencer already, but the people that do are clearly committed to him because he's a great and underused character.
Leave that kind of mentality back in the 90's and early 00's, the tourney landscape has evolved past that.
The people that constantly and relentlessly complain about Phoenix and Yun have NO IDEA how bad it really used to be. I would take Dark Phoenix over MvC2 M/S/S any day. I'll take AE Yun over 3S Yun any day as well.
I don't think Daigo really cares that he lost in Marvel. He placed top 8 considering this is probably his first marvel tourney. He already won AE at NorCal and Rev which totals to be $10,000+ in just matter of two weekends. I think Daigo did his job in the U.S. He came. He conquered. And took yo money foo's.
i think wolfkrone would have done better had have he not been forced to play 3 straight matches with no breaks.
@268
No way. Someone who sits and plays constantly is already warmed up, in the zone, and ready to go. It's not as if he was losing match after match and was mindf***'d by the third, he went into that third match with big momentum, coming off two 2 straight wins before dropping to Ricky.
Even guys like Mike Ross have said in the past that playing match after match and winning is actually beneficial, because while the other guy is waiting for his turn you're already there grinding it out and boosting your confidence with each win.
The fact of the matter is that he simply got outplayed by Ricky Ortiz and his bikini bottoms (can't believe he wore those...), no need to make up excuses for Wolfkrone, he did very well today.
@#267 let's be honest, daigo got an undeserved #2 seed in marvel and beat scrubs(lamerboi). when he played someone good he lost. seriously how did daigo get a #2 seed but Clockwork gets #6?
@269 wolfkrone thoroughly outplayed ricky until the last 3 round when he seemed to crack. it really difficult to keep you concentration that long knowing that you are in losers and can't take another loss. 2 matches is one thing but i never seen someone have to play 3 2/3 matches with no breaks in between.
Also, shoutout to the crybaby FChamp after being elminated in AE. If he still wonders why they are so many haters out there, just take a look at his attitude after he lost in AE. The guy was literally screaming at his opponent after the match.
Seriously FChamp, if you think AE is ass, do us haters a favor and drop the game completely so us viewers don't have to see your face on the stream. Lets face it. You were beaten by a good Yun player at NorCal. What chances do you have against one of the world's best yun (daigo's)? I say slim to none. It took you almost three years to figure out Daigo's Ryu. It's going to be another three years to figure out his Yun.
Filipino Champ is DA BEST and heres why http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIrl9O...
BTW anyone know how much first place at NCR got?
Then, blame the crowd. You know, then man is intelligent, but the crowd...is another story.
By the way, anyone knows if Daigo will be in any tournament this weekend? Thanks.
"MvC is our game, and we better not lose to them"
I'd love it so much if some random from lets say, Ghana took 1st place at Evo, then Japan 2nd. I don't follow mvc3 but that would be too funny :P
@220 Super-Chun
I'm pretty sure this is the first tournament that Daigo has played MvC3. I could be wrong, but that's what a lot of the hype around this was built around. If you (or anyone else) can give me specifics on when/where the other tournament was that would be great.
Again, there is no way he's going to be able to learn match up intricacies fast enough to even come close to winning EVO, but a top 8 finish there would be impressive.
And enough with the "our game" stuff. You set yourself up for a no-win situation. Either the US wins something it "should" win in the first place, or you get blown up and look stupid for underestimating the competition. Just let it play out.
230 & 237
In Vanilla Ryu wasn't middle tier you're right, but he was still way worse than Sagat. In Super, he was middle tier. You can't go after initial matchup charts as they change with time. Ryu was a high mid tier character in super, based off of a vast majority of the lists made by top american and japanese players.
Fact remains: He makes 7-3 disadvantageous matchups look even with Ryu, and 7-3 advantageous matchups looks completely free with Yun.
Ryu: While ppl "think" it was Sagat/Ryu in Vanilla it was actully
1) Sagat
2) Akuma
3) Rufus
4) Ryu
Then he was heavily nerfed for Super, but still a Upper Mid Tier character. But it was tougher for him because of his level of exposure.
AE Ryu has garbage footsies compared to his former self. And the nerf to his Tatsu kills him by trapping him in the corner. Akuma got the same Tatsu nerf, but retains his teleport.
AE Ken has received most of the combos that Ryu uses, plus keeps has his functional Tatsu.
In the end Ryu ends up as an Exposed Lower Mid Tier character. Heavily Nerfed, probably due to people complaining.
@286
How are AE Ryu's footsies "garbage"? Did they reduce his walk speed? Reduce the size of his normal's attack boxes? No, the only thing they nerfed that would REMOTELY affect his footsies are the active frames of his cr.mk, and it is still a good poke. His footsies are fine.
AE Ken received "most of the combos that Ryu uses"? The only thing he gained was st.jab to sweep. He doesn't have Ryu's cr.mp or cr.jab to sweep, or MANY of the other Ryu specific combos.
Please stop posting your incorrect information.
"Garbage" compared to his former self! Yes dude, reducing the Active frames and moving the hit box on his MAIN poking tool seriously affects his game!
Ken already has a good Cr Mp. Upping the speed on his sweep makes old "Ryu specific" combos now possible with Ken!
Akuma>Ken>Ryu in AE
It's not "incorrect information" douch, it's my opinion based on Developer information!
And what about the other stuff I said? You just pick two things and try to disprove them?
You are a fool.
saying that Ken retains his air tatsu IS incorrect information, tatsus were nerf'd across the board.
Aluppo don't try to explain footsies to the large number of players who probably do nothing but jump in when they play. Anything that consistantly anti-airs them is overpowered
I'm not even happy or proud Daigo didn't win MVC3, (No not cause its ''our'' game, we all freaking got it at the same time + MVC3 is nothing like MVC2, its like a new game) But its cause MVC3 is soooo random and sometimes so luck based, that Wong might just loose to a random dude @ Evo.
So it really doesn't matter who wins @MVC3, the results will be different every time. Justin barely got top 8 in a recent tourny if I remember correctly, now he's first. Combofiend got first in several tournaments, @ Revelations he wasn't even top 8 I think. Street fighter is where the true test of skill and mindgames are at, and there Daigo/Japans are the winners. Also Daigo really was pretty damn good, he had some new stuff, I felt he could have beaten him.
Ryu was nerfed due to complaining about "turtling" so they made a very strong rushdown character in Yun and now you guys are complaining about that. Don't you idiots realized you birthed this monster?
''Ken got all Ryus combos now'' Fooolishness, he only got like one/two links added to his arsenal, Ryu can do wayyyy more. I also like that everyone stopped playing Ryu, saying he sucks, while Laugh still destroyed a lot of people @ revelations.
I also think its Ken/Akuma > Ryu shoto wise, Ken/Akuma are pretty even now. I do like Ken is the only one with an escape tatsu still.
And Daigo played Ryu in super, in Super he wasnt THAT good. He was top 8 probably, so Daigo doesn't need a OP tier char.
@295
Did someone say "Ken got ALL Ryu's Combos now?"
Nope.
Can he NOW perform combos that were previously Ryu SPECIFIC!
Yes!
If anyone here didn't think Ken already had 3x the combo potential of Ryu, I'd say your nuts! The word thing that happened to Ken was the recovery frames on his Lp SRK.
Which was sucky, I used to whiff one on purpose and spam the second lol. Can't do that anymore :(
There was an amazing C. Viper in MvC3 this past weekend going buck wild with seismos. Does anyone remember who it was? (bonus if you can link the match)
Great tournament...well, commentary was really bad for the most part.
Thank god they got Seth Killian on the mic...he saved those final matches with his commentary!
Props to Daigo for convincingly taking first in AE and 7th in Marvel! That 3rd strike combo he did on Marn...woh!
I'm interested to see what he brings to Evo.
Infiltration put on an incredible show...amazing Akuma play!
For any people actually interested in learning aswell as enjoying watching the AE matches, then seth killian just made the experience even better. I really enjoy his commentary everytime, ultradavid/james chen are similar in that respect. They are smart and passionate about the game and look further than the basic gameplay anyone with half a brain can follow. They delve into the meta-game and psychology behind the matchups/players, which for me IS the hype that others feel comes from screaming and "trying-to-be-funny" guys that jsut doesnt doit for me. I just sit back with a dooby and soak up the knowledge. Congratz again to Daigo, but who didnt see it comin?
Daigo's team against Justin Wong's team (not shown on stream) In this one Daigo beats J. Wong to put their tema in the loser. Later on on the stream J.Wong tema get a revenge on them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JxljH...
Typo issues: "team in the loser bracket" "tema=team"
#296: I misread, BUT he did say ''MOST'' of Ryu's combos which is wrong as well. He can do Cr.Mp/Cr.Mk & Jab/Sweep as far as I know. Medium medium, Medium fierce, medium medium medium (Punches), etc Ryu can do (And more)
And I don't mind the Recovery of his LP, why they did It I don't know though, and nah I hated spamming it it felt scrubby lol but it was great.
And IMO Ryu has more combo potential than Ken by far lol. Most Kens do, Jab jab jab Shoryuken, or lp/lk/lp/Mk Tatsu, or SOME better kens do Jab Cr. Fierce Srk. Thats it lol. (That's why I'm liking Akuma more atm, stil loving Ken though <3)
Ken can still scrub that thing out, it's +2 recovery, almost nonexistant and still unpunishable online with the right spacing. Also, it deals +20 damage, which is cool when you're expecting pokes.
Don't know if it should be considered a nerf or a buff, but it's pretty close to what it used to be.
Ah Snap!